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Post by jeffdsp on Oct 16, 2016 17:33:03 GMT -5
I have a feeling there's gonna be a big crash and burn in your Nation real soon.
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Post by scottyv on Oct 16, 2016 21:22:19 GMT -5
Interesting. I've heard some weird things going on over there in Clyde over the past few years. Started with their former coach being pushed out from what I was told by a coach within the system at the time and somebody else close to the school board. Really didn't make sense with their success to me. Then the same coach applied for the Fremont Ross job this past season. Makes one think. Time for everybody to get on the same page over there.
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Post by hsfootballnwo on Oct 16, 2016 21:42:44 GMT -5
Interesting. I've heard some weird things going on over there in Clyde over the past few years. Started with their former coach being pushed out from what I was told by a coach within the system at the time and somebody else close to the school board. Really didn't make sense with their success to me. Then the same coach applied for the Fremont Ross job this past season. Makes one think. Time for everybody to get on the same page over there. If you're referring to Marc Gibson being pushed out, the fact that the team went on to great things in Ryan Carter's first year, with a completely new offense, should tell you something about the fact that it was a smart decision to make the change. (Not that Gibson didn't accomplish a heck of a lot in Clyde.) It's my understanding that Gibson was playing the wrong QB during his last season simply because he didn't like the kid -- I don't even know if it's true, it's just what I heard. Plus, running the I-formation, like Gibson did, in this day and age is highly questionable, especially when you see the success the Fliers have had running the spread.
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Post by scottyv on Oct 16, 2016 21:49:24 GMT -5
Interesting. I've heard some weird things going on over there in Clyde over the past few years. Started with their former coach being pushed out from what I was told by a coach within the system at the time and somebody else close to the school board. Really didn't make sense with their success to me. Then the same coach applied for the Fremont Ross job this past season. Makes one think. Time for everybody to get on the same page over there. If you're referring to Marc Gibson being pushed out, the fact that the team went on to great things in Ryan Carter's first year, with a completely new offense, should tell you something about the fact that it was a smart decision to make the change. (Not that Gibson didn't accomplish a heck of a lot in Clyde.) It's my understanding that Gibson was playing the wrong QB during his last season simply because he didn't like the kid -- I don't even know if it's true, it's just what I heard. Plus, running the I-formation, like Gibson did, in this day and age is highly questionable, especially when you see the success the Fliers have had running the spread. I'm not questioning the change if that's what happened. You don't have to defend that decision to me. I'm just saying what I heard back then. I think everybody probably liked the change with the product Clyde puts on the field. Everybody knows when you face them you have to worry about their defense first, so I think the type of offense run isn't that big of a deal. If I remember correctly, there was a big shakeup in the entire staff, but that's been several years now it seems.
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Post by hsfootballnwo on Oct 16, 2016 21:56:01 GMT -5
I spoke to an assistant coach with an SBC team who said he's heard the Clyde coaches want to play Vargo over Nicely but don't want to do it because of all the things Nicely has done for the program. It's hard to see them not taking a serious look at making a change after the Port Clinton game. Yes, Vargo has his flaws, but his ability to run could be an X-factor. Nicely is plenty good, but Vargo might be the better choice... It kind of reminds me of the San Francisco 49ers in 2012 when they nearly won the Super Bowl. From Wikipedia: "Alex Smith missed two starts mid-season after suffering a concussion, and backup Colin Kaepernick successfully filled in, and a quarterback controversy began. Smith was ranked third in the NFL in passer rating (104.1), led the league in completion percentage (70%), and had been 19–5–1 as a starter under Jim Harbaugh, while Kaepernick was considered more dynamic with his scrambling ability and arm strength. After Smith was fully recovered, Harbaugh chose Kaepernick as the starter for the 8–2–1 team, but also stated that the assignment was week-to-week and not necessarily permanent. However, Kaepernick started the remainder of the season through the Super Bowl."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 9:42:32 GMT -5
I spoke to an assistant coach with an SBC team who said he's heard the Clyde coaches want to play Vargo over Nicely but don't want to do it because of all the things Nicely has done for the program. It's hard to see them not taking a serious look at making a change after the Port Clinton game. Yes, Vargo has his flaws, but his ability to run could be an X-factor. Nicely is plenty good, but Vargo might be the better choice... It kind of reminds me of the San Francisco 49ers in 2012 when they nearly won the Super Bowl. From Wikipedia: "Alex Smith missed two starts mid-season after suffering a concussion, and backup Colin Kaepernick successfully filled in, and a quarterback controversy began. Smith was ranked third in the NFL in passer rating (104.1), led the league in completion percentage (70%), and had been 19–5–1 as a starter under Jim Harbaugh, while Kaepernick was considered more dynamic with his scrambling ability and arm strength. After Smith was fully recovered, Harbaugh chose Kaepernick as the starter for the 8–2–1 team, but also stated that the assignment was week-to-week and not necessarily permanent. However, Kaepernick started the remainder of the season through the Super Bowl." "Things he did for the Program" What exactly is "the program", its high school football for gosh sakes. High School football coaches are the most egotistical group of coaches out of any sport and Clydes have basically ruined the career of this Vargo kid. I am going to wait till the season is over before I go into detail about my opinion of "playing for the program" , butt I think many of you need to think what "the program" truly is and why people question coaches intentions. I have seen Big Ben references and I constantly tell people this reference.
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Post by tchldad on Oct 18, 2016 11:49:11 GMT -5
Are these things hes done? Or what his dad has done for the program?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 18, 2016 13:51:51 GMT -5
"Program" is a real thing, but at times the term is used loosely. "Programs" have a culture, a brotherhood, a work ethic, integrity, a system, a way of doing the same things, the same way, year after year after year. The same coach for at least 15-20 years. A coach that is involved from elementary school on up. A coach that can think outside the box and is willing to make changes when he learns of something new or sees a better way. All of the previous leads to winning a high % of contests over a long period of time.
A "program" is obvious, they are a small % of a sport.
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Post by oldballplayer on Oct 19, 2016 22:43:18 GMT -5
Clyde's special team's coach is probably happier than a pig in slop that he won't have to deal with Nathan Stubblefield anymore. He will have to deal with Donte McClure however and he is proving to be every bit as dangerous as Stubblefield returning kicks. Should be a dandy in Port Clinton this Friday night.
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Post by oldballplayer on Oct 19, 2016 22:44:55 GMT -5
No matter what Vargo does it won't change the politics in clyde football. Clean up minutes are all he gets and Carter doesn't even usually give him those either. No excuses just his choice. Win or lose he's not giving that kid a chance to play. Pretty sad if that's true...
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Post by Rodman on Oct 20, 2016 15:43:52 GMT -5
Are these things hes done? Or what his dad has done for the program? As in his family's big mulch fundraiser?? And his mother saying she would have her parents pull it??
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Post by oldballplayer on Oct 20, 2016 18:24:29 GMT -5
I have been following this site for years. Have always found it to be quite interesting but reading some of these things I had to log on and give my opinion. Really? People are Saturday morning quarterbacking the Clyde football program? I think most football teams in all of Northwest Ohio would love to be 38 wins and 9 losses in 4 years. If you do the math that is nearly five football seasons in four years. There are no major problems in flier Nation. Wow, we lost a game that perhaps we should have won to an undefeated team. People seem to be nitpicking Coach Carter and his staff. Clyde's coaching staff is made up of nearly all College football players. Some of these players played 5 years in division 1 football and are not just some teacher trying to fatten his paycheck. These coaches love the game. Heard some sour grapes about the guy who moved his son to St.Louis. how did that work out? Understand he is on the team but not a starter there either. It is very hard to come in your junior year and take a position away from someone that has been in the system from grade school unless you are a superstar. That may seem like politics but it is basically just a fact of life . So in closing you fellows coaching from your arm chair or couch,don't worry about Clyde football. All is well in flier Nation.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 20, 2016 18:33:03 GMT -5
Yea I would guess flier nation is in pretty good hands with a record of 38-9 in four years!!!!
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Post by jeffdsp on Oct 20, 2016 18:45:53 GMT -5
I have been following this site for years. Have always found it to be quite interesting but reading some of these things I had to log on and give my opinion. Really? People are Saturday morning quarterbacking the Clyde football program? I think most football teams in all of Northwest Ohio would love to be 38 wins and 9 losses in 4 years. If you do the math that is nearly five football seasons in four years. There are no major problems in flier Nation. Wow, we lost a game that perhaps we should have won to an undefeated team. People seem to be nitpicking Coach Carter and his staff. Clyde's coaching staff is made up of nearly all College football players. Some of these players played 5 years in division 1 football and are not just some teacher trying to fatten his paycheck. These coaches love the game. Heard some sour grapes about the guy who moved his son to St.Louis. how did that work out? Understand he is on the team but not a starter there either. It is very hard to come in your junior year and take a position away from someone that has been in the system from grade school unless you are a superstar. That may seem like politics but it is basically just a fact of life . So in closing you fellows coaching from your arm chair or couch,don't worry about Clyde football. All is well in flier Nation. Yeah, and if you have the balls to contact me we can fully discuss it. You know who I am. And I'll tell you right now, your program isn't nearly in as good of shape as you pretend it is! It's one thing to get screwed over after proving he deserved the job at a small div 3 school where the last name and donations matter more than who should be playing, than going to a school with 2000 kids and backing up a senior that's been in the program his whole life. The kind of crooked bullshit that happens in Clyde doesn't happen at every place, nor even every small school that people say it happens at. Sour grapes? Anybody that sees the truth and watches their kid get the shaft is gonna be ****** and stick up for their kid. But it's not even that. When an adult - a grown damn man - is low enough to sit there and lie to a kid just to trick him into staying in the program, I couldn't care less about wins. He's not good enough to coach my kids!
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 20, 2016 19:45:44 GMT -5
Why don't you guy's put down the pitch forks and torches till the season ends? Let the kid's enjoy the rest of the season and strive to reach the goals they set for themselves.
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Post by Rodman on Oct 20, 2016 20:08:15 GMT -5
I have been following this site for years. Have always found it to be quite interesting but reading some of these things I had to log on and give my opinion. Really? People are Saturday morning quarterbacking the Clyde football program? I think most football teams in all of Northwest Ohio would love to be 38 wins and 9 losses in 4 years. If you do the math that is nearly five football seasons in four years. There are no major problems in flier Nation. Wow, we lost a game that perhaps we should have won to an undefeated team. People seem to be nitpicking Coach Carter and his staff. Clyde's coaching staff is made up of nearly all College football players. Some of these players played 5 years in division 1 football and are not just some teacher trying to fatten his paycheck. These coaches love the game. Heard some sour grapes about the guy who moved his son to St.Louis. how did that work out? Understand he is on the team but not a starter there either. It is very hard to come in your junior year and take a position away from someone that has been in the system from grade school unless you are a superstar. That may seem like politics but it is basically just a fact of life . So in closing you fellows coaching from your arm chair or couch,don't worry about Clyde football. All is well in flier Nation. No one is doubting Clyde ability for success and or taking their record away from them. That isn't in question and yes they lost to an undefeated team. However that doesn't make it ok for coaches to screw over a kid. Period! And don't fool yourself into thinking all Clyde coaches agree with how Carter runs things or how he has managed his team personnel. Regardless it's high school football and it's not supposed to be about names on the back of jerseys. All those kids put in time and heart into that program,not just the fab few. Plenty of talent overlooked more than just QB situation. That being said , that Vargo kid got screwed over. Doesn't take much to see that. And as for sour grapes... seriously how did that work out?? Come on ... that's a low blow. Sounds like your missing the point. It's high school sports. Kids don't deserve to be lied to.
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Post by dolittle on Oct 20, 2016 20:14:41 GMT -5
Bottom line, all three kids are good kids. Sometimes parents lose sight of that. No matter what happened, two were going to be "screwed over" regardless of what anyone said. One just took his kid out of the equation. Plain and simple.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 20, 2016 20:15:57 GMT -5
When Coach Farlow came to Perkins he had a "meet the new coach " session with the players and parents. I remember him saying "I'm new to this school, I don't know anybody's names, so I could care less who your daddy is. I'm playing the best players no matter what your last name happens to be." And he did. Gotta respect him for that. That's the way it should be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 6:52:51 GMT -5
Yea I would guess flier nation is in pretty good hands with a record of 38-9 in four years!!!! I wonder what their record would look like in Kenton's Conference? Probably a stupid Hypothetical question! They have had a nice long cycle of athletes for quite a long time in a conference that has became smaller due to the economic down turn in the area. I wish Margaretta was 38-9!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 7:00:13 GMT -5
When Coach Farlow came to Perkins he had a "meet the new coach " session with the players and parents. I remember him saying "I'm new to this school, I don't know anybody's names, so I could care less who your daddy is. I'm playing the best players no matter what your last name happens to be." And he did. Gotta respect him for that. That's the way it should be. Well Margaretta would of gladly gave him back, put out program back 10 years, he'll play the best players alright- even if its a d-1 skill guy at qb in the wing-t. Still till this day can not figure this move out
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Post by piratefan on Oct 21, 2016 9:20:57 GMT -5
Farlow wasn't very popular.................except with his players, at least at Perkins anyway.............there are guys at Perkins who'd fight you if you said a bad word about Rock..........personally, I loved the guy.......very no nonsense coach....the Pirates players would have "run through a wall" for him. Very much an "in your face" coach, but if you got yelled at, you needed it. Some kids can't take that kind of coaching. However, he'd also go to war to protect his players. If you can understand this.....he yelled at you because he truly cared about you. The Pirate team loved that about him. Can't comment on the Bears.
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Post by sharonpeters on Oct 21, 2016 11:26:03 GMT -5
Seen a Rocket Mom almost go to blows with Rock because she didn't like the way he was yelling at his players ! One of my favorite memories of the duck pond, haha
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 11:47:11 GMT -5
Seen a Rocket Mom almost go to blows with Rock because she didn't like the way he was yelling at his players ! One of my favorite memories of the duck pond, haha My understanding is that it became really really bad at practice the last few years. a friend whose opinion I respect very much in regards to football told me that one of players needed/should of punched him in the mouth, Like to the point no teaching/coaching was going on, he was just screaming and demeaning kids.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 21, 2016 12:18:55 GMT -5
Guess we're more thick skinned at Perkins! LOL
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