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Post by sportsjock on Dec 5, 2016 11:40:51 GMT -5
If it wasn't for Ohio State carrying them, Penn State wouldn't even be in the conversation. Sure, PSU is going to be a fine conference representative in the Rose Bowl, but let's get real, those that are venting their frustrations are directing them towards Ohio State being unjustly ranked ahead of them, not Washington, which totally mystifies me.
A nationally syndicated story was in this mornings paper, written by Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News. Long story short, the headlines tells it all....."Another flawed decision process for playoff". The story is a lengthy, 20 paragraph diatribe on Ohio State not belonging in the final four and how Penn State got screwed.
Of course, most of you must have read the article in this mornings sports pages with headlines "Harbaugh Stands By Criticism" Saying, Harbaugh is not backpedaling on his recent criticism of officials. Harbaugh states; "I guess we can all just call it that we see it differently and let it go at that" He goes on: "I still don't accept it as a given that you can't speak your mind and give your opinion on how you see things. If telling the truth is making things worse, then so be it"
How long is this poor loser going to whine and weep? As someone on here mentioned, Harbaugh didn't even have a good plane of view, as he was ten yard down line from the 1st down marker. His distorted viewpoint is more believable than video evidence from several different camera angles? Mr. Harbaugh, if I was sitting before a judgement of a jury, I hope and pray you are not one of the jurists....lol
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 5, 2016 12:19:27 GMT -5
Watching the Penn State Wisconsin game, did anyone REALLY think either of those teams would have scored anything close to 30 something on Ohio State's defense?
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Post by 1percenter on Dec 5, 2016 13:08:58 GMT -5
All the Head to Head talk is so silly. If you win 49-10 then talk head to head, if you squeaked out a win then head to head should only be considered when all things are very even.
We had 2 rematches in Conference Championship games over the weekend. C-USA and the Mountain West November 19th San Diego State traveled to Wyoming and LOST by 1. Home team won in a squeaker December 3rd San Diego State got to play a Neutral site game vs Wyoming and WON 27-24.
October 6 Western Kentucky traveled to La Tech and LOST by 3. Home team won in a squeaker. December 3rd Western Kentucky got to play a Neutral site game vs La Tech and WON 58-44.
Congrats to Penn State on winning at home by 3 points against Ohio State. Too bad they have 2 losses and lost 49-10 to Michigan. PSU was not on equal footing with Ohio State. Had PSU beat Pitt and lost 24-10 to Michigan then the head to head talk could come into play, but they lost to Pitt and lost by 39 to Michigan. Congrats on the blocked FG returned for a TD, do you think you can do that again vs Ohio State?
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Post by 1percenter on Dec 5, 2016 13:14:19 GMT -5
If Michigan doesn't lose on a last second FG to Iowa then their would have been a 3 way tie in the East. Ohio State would have won the tiebreaker over Penn State and Michigan.
Did Ohio State get a trophy for sharing the Big Ten East best record with Penn State? Or did OSU not get one because they lost the tiebreaker? That's 2 years in a row that Michigan has lost a game in the last second that cost Ohio State from winning the tiebreaker.
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Post by cbus on Dec 5, 2016 16:12:24 GMT -5
Ohio State definitely should be in the playoffs but I'm a Buckeye fan and it's hard to be objective. If I try to look at it from an outsiders view point I see a team that need OT to beat Wisconsin on the road and Michigan at home. A team that beat Michigan State by one point because MSU went for 2 (otherwise they would have needed OT to win that one). Out scored Northwestern by 4 points in the 4th quarter to win by 4. It's not like Ohio State had this great season where they crushed all their tough opponents (except OK and NE). So I can understand people bringing this up as an issue. I mean they are just trying to sell papers and OSU and Alabama are kind of like Duke basketball on a national level-everyone loves to hate us.
I still think Penn St should be in over Washington but I kind of think the Committee is going for TV ratings and wanted a west coast team.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 5, 2016 16:46:37 GMT -5
If Michigan doesn't lose on a last second FG to Iowa then their would have been a 3 way tie in the East. Ohio State would have won the tiebreaker over Penn State and Michigan. Did Ohio State get a trophy for sharing the Big Ten East best record with Penn State? Or did OSU not get one because they lost the tiebreaker? That's 2 years in a row that Michigan has lost a game in the last second that cost Ohio State from winning the tiebreaker. A very good and legitimate question. Did they get a trophy or plaque for being co-champions of the Big Ten East? The tie breaker is in place to established who gets the honor of playing in the Big Ten Championship game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 5, 2016 19:57:31 GMT -5
If Michigan doesn't lose on a last second FG to Iowa then their would have been a 3 way tie in the East. Ohio State would have won the tiebreaker over Penn State and Michigan. Did Ohio State get a trophy for sharing the Big Ten East best record with Penn State? Or did OSU not get one because they lost the tiebreaker? That's 2 years in a row that Michigan has lost a game in the last second that cost Ohio State from winning the tiebreaker. If Ohio State didn't play 2 back to back night games against Wisconsin and Penn State who both had 2 weeks to rest and prepare for Ohio State. And if Ohio State didn't have a punt and field goal blocked that turned into points for Penn State. Ohio State would not have lost by 3 to Penn State, would be undefeated and all other Big Ten Teams and results would be meaningless.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 6, 2016 2:47:54 GMT -5
If Michigan doesn't lose on a last second FG to Iowa then their would have been a 3 way tie in the East. Ohio State would have won the tiebreaker over Penn State and Michigan. Did Ohio State get a trophy for sharing the Big Ten East best record with Penn State? Or did OSU not get one because they lost the tiebreaker? That's 2 years in a row that Michigan has lost a game in the last second that cost Ohio State from winning the tiebreaker. If Ohio State didn't play 2 back to back night games against Wisconsin and Penn State who both had 2 weeks to rest and prepare for Ohio State. And if Ohio State didn't have a punt and field goal blocked that turned into points for Penn State. Ohio State would not have lost by 3 to Penn State, would be undefeated and all other Big Ten Teams and results would be meaningless. The Big Ten scheduling committee had to have sinister intentions to purposely saddle Ohio State with such a ridiculously, unfair burden. If I'm Ohio State Athletic Director Gene Smith, I'm letting Big Ten Administrators know rather loudly and often our extreme displeasure with this unreasonable imposition. This should never happen again, not for Ohio State and not for any other team in the Big Ten.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 15:16:58 GMT -5
All the Head to Head talk is so silly. If you win 49-10 then talk head to head, if you squeaked out a win then head to head should only be considered when all things are very even. We had 2 rematches in Conference Championship games over the weekend. C-USA and the Mountain West November 19th San Diego State traveled to Wyoming and LOST by 1. Home team won in a squeaker December 3rd San Diego State got to play a Neutral site game vs Wyoming and WON 27-24. October 6 Western Kentucky traveled to La Tech and LOST by 3. Home team won in a squeaker. December 3rd Western Kentucky got to play a Neutral site game vs La Tech and WON 58-44. Congrats to Penn State on winning at home by 3 points against Ohio State. Too bad they have 2 losses and lost 49-10 to Michigan. PSU was not on equal footing with Ohio State. Had PSU beat Pitt and lost 24-10 to Michigan then the head to head talk could come into play, but they lost to Pitt and lost by 39 to Michigan. Congrats on the blocked FG returned for a TD, do you think you can do that again vs Ohio State? Actually those 2 championship games were played at Wyoming and Western Kentucky
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 7, 2016 10:08:28 GMT -5
If Michigan doesn't lose on a last second FG to Iowa then their would have been a 3 way tie in the East. Ohio State would have won the tiebreaker over Penn State and Michigan. Did Ohio State get a trophy for sharing the Big Ten East best record with Penn State? Or did OSU not get one because they lost the tiebreaker? That's 2 years in a row that Michigan has lost a game in the last second that cost Ohio State from winning the tiebreaker. Penn State had 2 weeks to rest and prepare for Ohio State. . They still managed to fall behind 21-7. :shrug:
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 7, 2016 10:11:53 GMT -5
Don't lose 2 games and complain about not getting a chance to win a championship those teams don't deserve a chance to play for the championship. Didn't LSU hammer OSU in 07 with 2 losses heading into that game? Granted, it was the BCS system, but wanted to know your take with my post.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 11:58:23 GMT -5
Don't lose 2 games and complain about not getting a chance to win a championship those teams don't deserve a chance to play for the championship. Didn't LSU hammer OSU in 07 with 2 losses heading into that game? Granted, it was the BCS system, but wanted to know your take with my post. Ohio State had 2 loses as well and nobody had 1. The committee values loses the most when looking at the standings
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Dec 7, 2016 14:27:49 GMT -5
Ohio State had 2 losses as well and nobody had 1 Ohio State had 1 loss in the 2007 regular season, and was ranked #1 in the final BCS poll. Kansas was also 11-1 and ranked #8, and Hawaii was #10 at 12-0. Everyone else in the final BCS poll had at least 2 losses.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 7, 2016 14:59:02 GMT -5
Jogging my memory, I was thinking surely that was a mistake, it had to be Kansas State and not Kansas. Hawaii? The final BCS poll from 2007 is a reminder how bad the Alabama football program was before Saban arrived. Alabama is nowhere to be found in the top 25, in fact the top 40...no Bama.
Ohio State has no equal in college football for consistency and continuity of excellence.
2007 Bowl Championship Series Rankings December 2, 2007
1 Ohio State 0.959 1 2813 0.987 4 1287 0.9793 0.91 2 Louisiana State 0.939 2 2630 0.9228 1 1500 0.9453 0.95 3 Virginia Tech 0.870 6 2345 0.8228 9 979 0.828 0.96 4 Oklahoma 0.857 3 2520 0.8842 8 1016 0.8873 0.80 5 Georgia 0.839 4 2469 0.86663 3 1370 0.8513 0.80 6 Missouri 0.776 7 2117 0.7428 5 1241 0.736 0.85 7 Southern California 0.764 5 2346 0.8232 2 1380 0.818 0.65 8 Kansas 0.759 8 2092 0.734 7 1217 0.7327 0.81 9 West Virginia 0.663 9 1924 0.6751 6 1239 0.6733 0.64 10 Hawai'i 0.647 10 1903 0.6677 17 427 0.6627 0.61 11 Arizona State 0.620 12 1628 0.5712 13 635 0.6 0.69 12 Florida 0.613 11 1786 0.6267 16 567 0.5933 0.62 13 Illinois 0.46 13 1400 0.4912 18 416 0.498 0.39 14 Boston College 0.459 14 1124 0.3944 11 898 0.4113 0.57 15 Clemson 0.384 16 1041 0.3653 22 319 0.378 0.41 16 Tennessee 0.325 19 870 0.3053 12 826 0.32 0.35 17 Brigham Young 0.303 18 912 0.32 14 624 0.308 0.28 18 Wisconsin 0.292 15 1079 0.3786 21 333 0.396 0.10 19 Texas 0.252 17 983 0.3449 10 924 0.332 0.08 20 Virginia 0.235 21 551 0.1933 27 71 0.2213 0.29 21 South Florida 0.211 24 362 0.127 35 6 0.0767 0.43 22 Cincinnati 0.179 20 580 0.2035 20 376 0.1433 0.19 23 Auburn 0.157 23 448 0.1572 14 624 0.1927 0.12 24 Boise State 0.118 22 541 0.1898 29 33 0.164 0.0 25 Connecticut 0.075 29 52 0.0182 32 8 0.0153 0.19
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 7, 2016 15:38:12 GMT -5
OSU 3-1 vs the top-8 in the country.
Bama with a big W over 9th ranked Tennessee lol. Hilarious. I can't wait to mudstomp Clemson.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 7, 2016 17:29:25 GMT -5
Penn State had 2 weeks to rest and prepare for Ohio State. . They still managed to fall behind 21-7. :shrug: So, you believe a college football game should only be 30 minutes long?
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 7, 2016 19:07:42 GMT -5
They still managed to fall behind 21-7. :shrug: So, you believe a college football game should only be 30 minutes long? No. I do believe, though, if one is going to use rest and extra week of preparation as the rallying cry, then that said team shouldn't be behind 21-7. Bottom line: OSU blew that game much like UM blew the game against OSU. No excuses; deal wasn't sealed.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 7, 2016 22:23:43 GMT -5
I have news for you, when one gets an extra week of rest, it's most notable in the 2nd half.
How would you like to play Ohio State and U of M in back to back night games on the road, with both getting an extra week to prepare? NO ONE in the Big Ten could win both those games, let alone one.
U of M didn't blow the OSU game, they ran out of gas and had the lesser QB and RB. THAT and Peppers quit on his teammates. He was THE man who had to stop the OT TD run by Samuel. Watch closely what he did, when Weber went to block him, Peppers back peddled out of bounds as Weber hit him 3 times. WOW what a LB? How could he even be considered for All-American, let alone a Heisman candidate when he's slower than JT and didn't intercept his first pass until the last game of his college career. He was moved to LB this year because he was such a bad DB.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 8, 2016 3:37:25 GMT -5
So, you believe a college football game should only be 30 minutes long? No. I do believe, though, if one is going to use rest and extra week of preparation as the rallying cry, then that said team shouldn't be behind 21-7. Bottom line: OSU blew that game much like UM blew the game against OSU. No excuses; deal wasn't sealed. Michigan didn't blow that game, Ohio State totally took over that game. From mid third quarter on, it was a graphic display of dominance on both sides of the ball. A 4th quarter dominance that produced a gaudy 127 yards of total offense, while totally shutting down the opponent with 5 stinking yards! Two uncharacteristic misses by a reliable kicker, kept this game from being concluded in regulation. The late game dominance can be attributed to a number of factors, including superior conditioning, endurance and late game coaching adjustments.
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Post by usa70pp on Dec 8, 2016 6:52:12 GMT -5
If Michigan doesn't lose on a last second FG to Iowa then their would have been a 3 way tie in the East. Ohio State would have won the tiebreaker over Penn State and Michigan. Did Ohio State get a trophy for sharing the Big Ten East best record with Penn State? Or did OSU not get one because they lost the tiebreaker? That's 2 years in a row that Michigan has lost a game in the last second that cost Ohio State from winning the tiebreaker. If Ohio State didn't play 2 back to back night games against Wisconsin and Penn State who both had 2 weeks to rest and prepare for Ohio State. And if Ohio State didn't have a punt and field goal blocked that turned into points for Penn State. Ohio State would not have lost by 3 to Penn State, would be undefeated and all other Big Ten Teams and results would be meaningless. And both of those games being on the road. How much did that help Wisconsin and Penn State that they had the extra week of rest as well.
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Post by DrTorch on Dec 8, 2016 13:19:15 GMT -5
i dunno why you guys reply to MapleCityFake, he's just trolling OSU fans
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 9, 2016 11:00:39 GMT -5
No. I do believe, though, if one is going to use rest and extra week of preparation as the rallying cry, then that said team shouldn't be behind 21-7. Bottom line: OSU blew that game much like UM blew the game against OSU. No excuses; deal wasn't sealed. Michigan didn't blow that game, Ohio State totally took over that game. From mid third quarter on, it was a graphic display of dominance on both sides of the ball. A 4th quarter dominance that produced a gaudy 127 yards of total offense, while totally shutting down the opponent with 5 stinking yards! Two uncharacteristic misses by a reliable kicker, kept this game from being concluded in regulation. The late game dominance can be attributed to a number of factors, including superior conditioning, endurance and late game coaching adjustments. Okay, I'm in the business of asking the tough question(s)....... Did Urban pay you to post this?
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 9, 2016 12:32:08 GMT -5
Obviously, you are oblivious to the reality of events as they happened, or you didn't actually view the game.
Great coaches make great halftime adjustments.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 10, 2016 0:28:35 GMT -5
At the start of this week Alabama had 4 QBs on their roster. As of Wednesday of this week they have ONE. The other 3 all announced they were transferring.
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Post by sportsjock on Dec 10, 2016 6:28:44 GMT -5
Three of four QB's transferring at the same time is not a normal occurrence. Would love to know what/who is the common source of discontent or controversy.
This is not the story as it originally seems, as backups Cooper Bateman and David Cornwell plan to remain with the team during its participation in the College Football Playoff.
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Post by galion on Dec 10, 2016 8:14:18 GMT -5
When they went with the freshman to start this season one would assume that barring injury the others would need to leave in order to play. It's kind of a double edge sword when you have a roster filled with 4 and 5 star recruits. They are all good enough to play somewhere and are typically not going to settle for being a role player their entire college career.
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Post by Whittaker on Dec 10, 2016 11:03:04 GMT -5
When they went with the freshman to start this season one would assume that barring injury the others would need to leave in order to play. It's kind of a double edge sword when you have a roster filled with 4 and 5 star recruits. They are all good enough to play somewhere and are typically not going to settle for being a role player their entire college career. Exactly.
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