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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 6, 2017 11:32:33 GMT -5
Here is what was posted on another thread regarding the schedules for Lake Division teams in 2017 Any corrections to this? Does Sandusky really have that many home games? (edit: no)
Bellevue Canton Central Catholic @ Clear Fork @ West Homes @ Shelby Toledo Start Norwalk @ Perkins @ Tiffin Sandusky @ Clyde
Clyde @ Toledo Start Ashland @ Anthony Wayne @ Toledo Bowsher Port Clinton Perkins @ Tiffin @ Sandusky Norwalk Bellevue
Norwalk Willard @ Edison Port Clinton Margaretta @ Shelby @ Bellevue Sandusky @ Perkins @ Clyde Tiffin
Perkins Huron @ Mansfield Senior Genoa Vermilion @ Oak Harbor @ Clyde Bellevue Norwalk @ Tiffin @ Sandusky
Sandusky @ Port Clinton @ Huron @ Fremont Ross Toledo Rogers Toledo Bowsher Tiffin @ Norwalk Clyde @ Bellevue Perkins
Tiffin @ Elida Anthony Wayne @ Ashland Toledo Start Vermilion @ Sandusky Clyde Bellevue Perkins @ Norwalk
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Post by redmen62 on Mar 7, 2017 11:05:26 GMT -5
Where did you get the schedules at?
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 7, 2017 11:16:55 GMT -5
Those schedules are what clydesbcfan posted on another thread several months ago, with me adding to it what footballfan posted for Bellevue's week 2 and 3 games.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 17:23:46 GMT -5
Sandusky 8 home games ? Wow.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 7, 2017 18:22:18 GMT -5
Then just 2 home games next year, unless non-division games are one year contracts and those schools are looking for other games.
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Post by A no.1 on Mar 7, 2017 18:44:38 GMT -5
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Post by A no.1 on Mar 7, 2017 18:49:39 GMT -5
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Post by footballfan on Mar 7, 2017 18:57:27 GMT -5
I would hope! If they truly have 8 home games the AD should start looking for a job! LOL
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 7, 2017 19:08:48 GMT -5
Thanks for that, I've updated my above post
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 7, 2017 20:10:55 GMT -5
This is going to be a great league. Good job SBC in forming this and doing such a great job making things better for your area schools that joined and to all the balless schools that won't play our school that is the same size = division IV!!!! It's a joke. The travel doesn't bother me as a fan but it sure doesn't help the schools for transportation expenses for the next two years. Week #1 = vs Canton Central Catholic (1hr 52min drive) Week #2 = @ Clear Fork (1hr 20min drive) Week #3 = @ West Holmes (1hr 40min drive) Week #4 = @ Shelby (only 50min drive not bad but the only way they would play us is if we played them as Shelby next year which makes us have 6 away games and we played at Shelby this year) Week #5 = vs Toledo Start (1hr 6min) Remaining league games against all Division III schools which we have played for years and a great test for our football team. Division IV schools in bay league that won't play us! port Clinton oak harbor vermillion huron (said they couldn't get out of contract with another school, I'm sure that broke there heart)Good luck BIGRED!!!! You complain that other D4 schools won't play Bellevue, but you know the one thing you fail to point out? Bellevue may be a D4 team; however, they have a huge advantage over PC, OH, Ver and Huron due to the fact that Bellevue hordes their athletes by not allowing Soccer. With the other schools you mention, soccer pulls 20-40 athletes away from their pool of potential football players. Pull that many athletes out of Bellevue's program and see how strong they are. Maybe the Redmen should sack-up and compete in all the sports most other schools their size play?
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Mar 8, 2017 11:35:38 GMT -5
This is going to be a great league. Good job SBC in forming this and doing such a great job making things better for your area schools that joined and to all the balless schools that won't play our school that is the same size = division IV!!!! It's a joke. The travel doesn't bother me as a fan but it sure doesn't help the schools for transportation expenses for the next two years. Week #1 = vs Canton Central Catholic (1hr 52min drive) Week #2 = @ Clear Fork (1hr 20min drive) Week #3 = @ West Holmes (1hr 40min drive) Week #4 = @ Shelby (only 50min drive not bad but the only way they would play us is if we played them as Shelby next year which makes us have 6 away games and we played at Shelby this year) Week #5 = vs Toledo Start (1hr 6min) Remaining league games against all Division III schools which we have played for years and a great test for our football team. Division IV schools in bay league that won't play us! port Clinton oak harbor vermillion huron (said they couldn't get out of contract with another school, I'm sure that broke there heart)Good luck BIGRED!!!! You complain that other D4 schools won't play Bellevue, but you know the one thing you fail to point out? Bellevue may be a D4 team; however, they have a huge advantage over PC, OH, Ver and Huron due to the fact that Bellevue hordes their athletes by not allowing Soccer. With the other schools you mention, soccer pulls 20-40 athletes away from their pool of potential football players. Pull that many athletes out of Bellevue's program and see how strong they are. Maybe the Redmen should sack-up and compete in all the sports most other schools their size play? I don't think the lack of a soccer program constitutes Bellevue's unwillingness to "sack-up." Those schools knew exactly how their football programs would fare when they started their soccer teams. Bellevue doesn't wish to take that avenue. It certainly doesn't signal a weakness/fear from Bellevue when it comes to competing in that sport. Who are you trying to kid here?
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 8, 2017 12:39:25 GMT -5
Bottom line, Bellevue does not offer Soccer because the are afraid of what that would do to their Football program. Whether that is a good thing or not is a matter of opinion. My point is, don't call other schools "balless" for not wanting to play you in football when you are afraid to offer soccer. That certainly DOES signal weakness/fear..... Not sure how it can signal anything else. Who are YOU trying to kid?
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Post by xbellevueplayer on Mar 8, 2017 14:07:18 GMT -5
Bottom line, Bellevue does not offer Soccer because the are afraid of what that would do to their Football program. Whether that is a good thing or not is a matter of opinion. My point is, don't call other schools "balless" for not wanting to play you in football when you are afraid to offer soccer. That certainly DOES signal weakness/fear..... Not sure how it can signal anything else. Who are YOU trying to kid? Or maybe the other schools were just stupid to offer soccer?? Its all ones opinion but at the end of the day its about two things, money and what the community wants and what they would support. How many local communities fund a field house then turf like Bellevue has without Kalahari, cedar point or Fireland's hospital funding it? Heck how bad is it perkins gets their stadium n turf and ends up pay to play??
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 8, 2017 14:28:18 GMT -5
Schools that offer soccer are thinking about ALL students. Two more sports for student athletes to participate in. Two more sports to earn Varsity letters. Two more sports to gain All-Ohio recognition. Two more sports to be part of a League Championship. Two more sports to gain athletic scholarships through. Two more sports to advance in post season tournaments.
None of those are "stupid" reasons.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Mar 8, 2017 15:24:19 GMT -5
Bottom line, Bellevue does not offer Soccer because the are afraid of what that would do to their Football program. Whether that is a good thing or not is a matter of opinion. My point is, don't call other schools "balless" for not wanting to play you in football when you are afraid to offer soccer. That certainly DOES signal weakness/fear..... Not sure how it can signal anything else. Who are YOU trying to kid? Just noting that I didn't call any school "balless" here. It does not signal weakness or fear, it is a choice on how to allocate resources/students. You need to hire a coach, you need equipment, you need student body interest, you need to incur transportation expenses for bussing student athletes to their matches, all that. I respect WF's sentiment on providing more opportunity for certain students to try a sport that catches their interest, especially considering the success that Ontario's soccer program has had. One concern I would have is spreading out your athletes too thin not just across football, but also XC. You can bet that having a soccer team would detract from a XC team, especially since XC and soccer tends to attract similar athletic body types. I imagine schools that are Bellevue-sized will typically see more athletic success by splitting athletes among only football/volleyball/XC than they would if they were to throw soccer into the mix.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 8, 2017 15:41:24 GMT -5
716 schools have football, 571 schools have boys soccer.
Youth soccer programs, which have nothing to do with schools, start long before peewee football, volleyball and distance running. Thus catching the interest of some kids and their parents at a very young age. I've always thought there was nothing more natural for little kids than running around a field in shorts and t-shirts kicking a ball, with very few rules to distract them.
$15,000 for uniforms Varsity down through 7th grade for football. $500 for soccer, shorts and t-shirts, just a Varsity and JV team. 2-3 buses and equipment truck/trailer to transport team, band and equipment to football games, 1 bus for soccer. 7 officials for football, 3 for soccer that are paid less. Little or no cost for lighting as most soccer games are played during the day. 12 coaches for football paid more than soccer coaches, 2 for soccer.
I'm not a big soccer fan, just a realist.
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Post by xbellevueplayer on Mar 8, 2017 21:55:21 GMT -5
716 schools have football, 571 schools have boys soccer. Youth soccer programs, which have nothing to do with schools, start long before peewee football, volleyball and distance running. Thus catching the interest of some kids and their parents at a very young age. I've always thought there was nothing more natural for little kids than running around a field in shorts and t-shirts kicking a ball, with very few rules to distract them. $15,000 for uniforms Varsity down through 7th grade for football. $500 for soccer, shorts and t-shirts, just a Varsity and JV team. 2-3 buses and equipment truck/trailer to transport team, band and equipment to football games, 1 bus for soccer. 7 officials for football, 3 for soccer that are paid less. Little or no cost for lighting as most soccer games are played during the day. 12 coaches for football paid more than soccer coaches, 2 for soccer. I'm not a big soccer fan, just a realist. Honestly who cares!!?? schools both bigger and smaller than Bellevue has had success running a football program with a soccer program. fact of the matter is the interest is not here in Bellevue and the majority of the community would not support anyway. Bellevue has their soccer program in the form of the marching band which takes a large number of kids every year. tell me how many schools the size of Bellevue has a band 120+ kids (total) turn out every year?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 8, 2017 23:23:18 GMT -5
Soccer players and their parents care, how obtuse. Ontario, they have a band close to 150 and used to have 200!!!! Many who play soccer, volleyball and run cross country play in marching bands!!!! You asked.
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Post by Observer on Mar 9, 2017 0:23:36 GMT -5
Boy, I hate to do this but, I have to agree with Willard Fillmore.
I have heard that there is an interest in soccer in Bellevue. I believe your Rec Department has a soccer program. I have also heard that it is the football coach that does not want soccer to get a foothold in Bellevue. Maybe that is why Bellevue does not have a kicking game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 9, 2017 14:04:55 GMT -5
Bellevue is an older city getting smaller. Many of the same families 2nd and 3rd generations, entrenched in their ideas. The middle sized and smaller public schools with successful soccer programs are growing cities, growing school districts, with new upper middle class families moving into the district. Families that at least have an interest in their young children having a chance to play soccer, the fastest growing sport in the country, played around the world. Football is played in the USA and a much lesser degree in Canada. JMO....not a big soccer fan, just a realist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 14:23:08 GMT -5
Truth is, you cannot argue that the more sports you offer the thinner the number of players you will have for each sport. Not many mid sized schools have strong soccer and football programs. Typically the athletes will pick one of the other if they can play both, and the winner will be the one with the most recent success. Another reality is soccer can be a simple sport to start up.
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Post by kingmartinez on Mar 9, 2017 18:06:19 GMT -5
Bellevue is an older city getting smaller. Many of the same families 2nd and 3rd generations, entrenched in their ideas. The middle sized and smaller public schools with successful soccer programs are growing cities, growing school districts, with new upper middle class families moving into the district. Families that at least have an interest in their young children having a chance to play soccer, the fastest growing sport in the country, played around the world. Football is played in the USA and a much lesser degree in Canada. JMO....not a big soccer fan, just a realist. Fastest growing sport in USA? Maybe 5-10 years ago. Lacrosse, Rugby and Pickleball are well ahead of soccer.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 9, 2017 23:03:40 GMT -5
Soccer is the #4 most played team sport for high school boys, #3 for girls.
In the US 25,000,000 play soccer, 750,000 play lacrosse, 98,000 play rugby.
30% of households in the country have someone playing soccer. ONLY baseball has more.
Thanks for playin.
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Post by kingmartinez on Mar 10, 2017 7:21:27 GMT -5
The most popular is not the same as the fastest growing.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 10, 2017 18:29:56 GMT -5
We await the data to prove lacrosse and rugby are "well ahead of soccer". If no data, guessing is superflous.
Even though Ontario has had soccer for over 25 years, I know there are a lot more playing soccer now than 5 years ago. It also appears there are more playing soccer in Bellevue than 5 years ago. Soccer is just now gaining approval in old, shrinking, set in their ways smallish communities.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 10, 2017 18:50:53 GMT -5
Truth is, you cannot argue that the more sports you offer the thinner the number of players you will have for each sport. Not many mid sized schools have strong soccer and football programs. Typically the athletes will pick one of the other if they can play both, and the winner will be the one with the most recent success. Another reality is soccer can be a simple sport to start up. Bad set of criteria. How many guys that are built like O-linemen, D-linemen, Tight Ends, Linebackers will choose soccer over football? How many stud QBs, RBs, WRs would choose soccer over football?
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Post by kingmartinez on Mar 10, 2017 18:54:45 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 10, 2017 19:06:50 GMT -5
In the article about football it says it is growing faster than "nearly all team sports". There seems to be a disageement between Rugby and Lacrosse, both say they're the fastest growing. Neither one of us will live to see the day when there are more lacrosse and rugby players combined, than there are soccer players in the US. I doubt either one of us will see the day when lacrosse or rugby will play for an SBC Title. They aren't growing fast enough.
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Post by footballfan on Mar 11, 2017 16:06:05 GMT -5
So you think with the football tradition in Bellevue that if soccer was added the football program would suffer. I don't think that would be the case. The kids that like football play it and the ones that don't like football don't play it. The football program is very demanding. I don't see those two sports being in the same category. I've never played soccer in H.S. but hats off to the ones that do play it. Running none stop has to be one of the most conditioned sport there is. I kind of wish we had soccer then maybe we would have a kicker for Friday nights. It's part of the game and last year we never even practiced it during the week. Pretty sad and I feel that's on the coach's, it's part of the game that should not be ignored! We've lost enough games because of it year in and year out. We can't even find a kid to kick extra points good enough so I'm pretty sure even if we had soccer we would probably suck at it! LOL I do agree with what soccer offers for all the kids that Bellevue kids are missing out on. Our new turf was not even set up for lines to accommodate soccer in the future so I don't see it coming to Bellevue anytime soon!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 12, 2017 2:26:28 GMT -5
Most schools that have had soccer for some time, have a separate field for games.
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