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Post by sportsjock on Aug 6, 2017 12:26:00 GMT -5
For one who professes to be liberal, or 'progressive' as you people choose to be referred, you are certainly being quite close minded. Put aside your biases and watch the video, it is very explanatory and puts the sheer numbers into proper perspective. What exactly, are you afraid of? Learning the truthful facts as they are? By the way, this is not a propaganda film. I never professed myself to be liberal. I bet I: - Am more of a capitalist than you - Own more guns than you I believe in a small government and civil rights for all. Im sorry if I don't fit the mold that makes you feel better What am I afraid of watching your video? Wasting my time. Good for you, I take my hat off. Trust me, it would not be a waste of your time, it would enlighten you with the facts and secondly, it is not 'my' video, it is '1 percenter' who presented the video.
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Post by 1percenter on Aug 6, 2017 12:48:06 GMT -5
If you really believe what you say then you'd agree with this video 100%. I'm not going to watch some propoganda film on YouTube. Not worth my time. If you want to present the point of the film here, go for it. So instead you will waste your time on NCoast. classic. The video is 6 minutes long, I bet you waste 90 minutes a day just refreshing your facebook account to see if you got any likes on your updated profile pic.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 6, 2017 13:17:30 GMT -5
I'm not going to watch some propoganda film on YouTube. Not worth my time. If you want to present the point of the film here, go for it. So instead you will waste your time on NCoast. classic. The video is 6 minutes long, I bet you waste 90 minutes a day just refreshing your facebook account to see if you got any likes on your updated profile pic. I challenge teslaspigeons to put on his objective thinking cap and view this video....all six minutes. You will find it is nothing like you have conjured up in your mind....it is quite good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 15:27:07 GMT -5
I'm not going to watch some propoganda film on YouTube. Not worth my time. If you want to present the point of the film here, go for it. So instead you will waste your time on NCoast. classic. The video is 6 minutes long, I bet you waste 90 minutes a day just refreshing your facebook account to see if you got any likes on your updated profile pic. I don't have a Facebook account.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 6, 2017 16:04:59 GMT -5
Painting opponents of illegal immigration as racist is an old and tired argument. But most importantly, it is logically inane. Almost every country in the world enforces laws against illegal immigration. If opposing illegal immigration is racist then almost every country in the world, including Mexico, is dominated by racists. That is an absurd position. There are legitimate arguments to be made against deporting illegals. Those are based on economics, priorities, compassion, etc. Yelling RACIST! doesn't scare anybody anymore. Al Sharpton wore that out. yelling liberal is the same thing kid capiche? OH WAIT I DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH!
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 6, 2017 16:07:35 GMT -5
1%, Tommygun, and Rambo are all the same poster. The haters can't even get an accurate count of their own numbers but somehow they know how many illegal immigrants there are in the country. Even though they entered illegally, with no record. Serving as a Senior Staff advisor for NCOAST, aren't you violating members right of privacy? It certainly appears that way. True or not true, these kinds of public disclosures by a so-called Senior Staff member, sheds a negative light on NCOAST. call the NSA kid rofl it doesn't shine a negative light on anyone but the poster doing it, on NOSF it was a bannable offense just fyi but when your fingers type posts your ace can't cash then it's time for la cucaracha'! You might not understand. In fact, I'm sure you don't understand. Much. Of anything. But Kafka would.
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Post by Whittaker on Aug 6, 2017 16:30:39 GMT -5
Painting opponents of illegal immigration as racist is an old and tired argument. But most importantly, it is logically inane. Almost every country in the world enforces laws against illegal immigration. If opposing illegal immigration is racist then almost every country in the world, including Mexico, is dominated by racists. That is an absurd position. There are legitimate arguments to be made against deporting illegals. Those are based on economics, priorities, compassion, etc. Yelling RACIST! doesn't scare anybody anymore. Al Sharpton wore that out. yelling liberal is the same thing kid capiche? OH WAIT I DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH! Uh no. A racist devalues another human being because of their race, something they have zero control over. Calling someone a liberal or conservative is identifying their ideas on the political spectrum. Yelling RACIST is trying to end the political debate by pegging one's opponent as immoral. Its an ad hominem attack and an appeal to motive wrapped together. People will disagree on public policy. It doesn't mean one side is immoral or evil.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 6, 2017 17:09:46 GMT -5
what are you 12?
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Post by Whittaker on Aug 6, 2017 17:18:25 GMT -5
I'll be 12 in November. When I am mom says I get to go to the outhouse without my older sister, which is important because I think I'm sprouting a hair next to that thing dad calls my stupid. Do you snapchat?
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 6, 2017 18:18:45 GMT -5
I hope everyone is taking all these posts with an air of entertainment and amusement, as I am. These exchanges are cracking me up...lol
Torch, don't take me too seriously on my last post.
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Post by galion on Aug 6, 2017 19:49:22 GMT -5
1%, Tommygun, and Rambo are all the same poster. The haters can't even get an accurate count of their own numbers but somehow they know how many illegal immigrants there are in the country. Even though they entered illegally, with no record. Serving as a Senior Staff advisor for NCOAST, aren't you violating members right of privacy? It certainly appears that way. True or not true, these kinds of public disclosures by a so-called Senior Staff member, sheds a negative light on NCOAST. How? He didn't out their actual names just that they have multiple user names. How did he violate their privacy? That we allow people on here to have multiple user names is what shines the negative light.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 6, 2017 20:32:25 GMT -5
Serving as a Senior Staff advisor for NCOAST, aren't you violating members right of privacy? It certainly appears that way. True or not true, these kinds of public disclosures by a so-called Senior Staff member, sheds a negative light on NCOAST. How? He didn't out their actual names just that they have multiple user names. How did he violate their privacy? That we allow people on here to have multiple user names is what shines the negative light. Your right........
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Post by tommygunn on Aug 7, 2017 7:28:23 GMT -5
Typical liberal Torch. Now its racist to want to follow the law. You are a douche.
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Post by clb6110 on Aug 7, 2017 8:14:30 GMT -5
Torch gets it!
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Post by Rambo McClain on Aug 7, 2017 8:44:28 GMT -5
^^^ clb6110 is racist like Torch. Both think Hispanics are inferior people and therefore it's okay pay them near nothing. Both think Hispanics are like wild animals and have no clue about laws.
Both clb6110 and Torch should illegally enter Japan. Tell us how it goes.
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Post by tommygunn on Aug 7, 2017 10:06:25 GMT -5
For all the farmers crying, and all the liberal crying about Jesus Lara getting deported after 16 years of doing not one thing to try and become a legal citizen, why don't you all run for office and change the laws?
Has anyone every considered that migrants are moving to better paying jobs? Like construction, restaurant industry, where they do not have to work in dirt 24/7. Has anyone considered that migrants want better for their kids and this is why you see less workers on the farms.
Farms will either have to invest in automation or pay more. Pretty simple.
clb and Torch do not get it. Legal vs Illegal. Laws of our land. You can't pick and choose.
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Post by bat21 on Aug 7, 2017 10:07:00 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^^ Rambo Easy to say ...NEAR NOTHING ... when referring to their pay. Please define it as you KNOW it ... because obviously you do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 11:19:19 GMT -5
For all the farmers crying, and all the liberal crying about Jesus Lara getting deported after 16 years of doing not one thing to try and become a legal citizen, why don't you all run for office and change the laws? Because there are too many dumb rednecks in the polling booths, it's best to start at ground zero to make any kind of progress. Has anyone every considered that migrants are moving to better paying jobs? Like construction, restaurant industry, where they do not have to work in dirt 24/7. Has anyone considered that migrants want better for their kids and this is why you see less workers on the farms. Farms will either have to invest in automation or pay more. Pretty simple. Yes. That's the hope that everyone moves to better paying jobs. Minimum wage jobs should only exist for 16 year olds to get money for date nights and popcorn at ball games.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 7, 2017 11:28:40 GMT -5
I'll be 12 in November. When I am mom says I get to go to the outhouse without my older sister, which is important because I think I'm sprouting a hair next to that thing dad calls my stupid. Do you snapchat? good, maybe while you're in there you'll learn that labeling and discarding people as a liberal, or a racist, or a neocon, or whatever, is a shortcut to thinking and does nothing to further the conversation i won't hold my breath tho
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 7, 2017 11:30:15 GMT -5
law of the land rofl!
someone forgot to tell the Big Banks
let's elect a President who never paid taxes and throw out the bum migrant workers who do
LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 7, 2017 11:45:55 GMT -5
show of hands, all those in favor of building a wall on our Northern Border, to, you know, stop terrorists and such
let's see em
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Post by ronswanson on Aug 7, 2017 13:03:43 GMT -5
Wow, what a thread. So I think one thing people seem to forget when they say that the American people will do these farm jobs if the pay was higher is that these jobs only last a few months out of the year, sometimes even weeks. It's pretty much impossible to raise a family or even sustain yourself on a few months of work, even if it is at $15 an hour. So if an American man with a family from Willard goes and works on one of the farms for a few months in the summer, what does he do the other 7-8 months of the year, or more? This is why a lot of these farmers rely on migrant workers, they will follow the jobs throughout the year to each state. Whereas someone like in the example I gave isn't going to do that. The farmers throughout this whole country can raise their pay all they want but it's still not going to be able to help someone raise a family on it. Americans need full time jobs with benefits whereas the migrant workers are content with doing piece work and making as much as they can at each job until it's done then move on to the next one.
What an amazing thread though, this is one for the ages.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 7, 2017 16:41:50 GMT -5
LIBERAL BASTARD!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 7, 2017 20:07:58 GMT -5
The unemployment rate is down to 4.3%, the lowest in 16 years. That means there are 7 MILLION people who don't have jobs. There CAN NOT be a labor shortage. Across the country, every day a bunch of people looking for work stand at known street corners waiting for illegal employers to pick them up. Not all get picked up. There is not a shortage. EXCEPT the shortage for SKILLED labor and trades. Uneducated unskilled illegal immigrants can't fill those jobs. Don't spew the BS about people won't do some jobs. The hell they won't, if the jobs paid enough money. I don't know what the wage is that will cause people to fight over those jobs. But The Law of Supply and Demand SHOULD find the correct level of pay. However, ILLEGAL employers would rather pay an embarrassing low wage to people other than US citizens. They whine that they can't pay more, they couldn't compete. The heck they couldn't. If one company in an industry pays a higher wage. Everyone would come to work for them, and their competitors would have to pay more to get people to work for them. Supply and Demand. Instead we have TRUE collusion by owners of companies who only hire people who are not US citizens. When I worked for Electrolux we had a plant in Mexico just across the border in Nogales. There were dozens of US companies that had plants in the vicinity. To get more workers someone would offer $.25 more per hour, the next day 100's would show up from the surrounding plants. Supply and Demand. Fillmore if Unions could exploit that market for higher wages they would have already. Again, what is this magic wage? All the posters here berating illegals lowering the wages for real 'Mericans are the same ones who scoffed at a $15hr minimum wage. Would you white kids pick radishes for $15/hour? That's more than I pay most of my employees but I don't think they would be interested. You brought up the subject of unions not me. The "magic wage" is what the market bears. As I explained, in Nogales Mexico it was $.25/hr. more than what was paid in other US plants. THEN someone would have to pay $.25 more than that plant. In the case of American workers who "just won't do some jobs". You'd have to ask all of the 7 MILLION unemployed workers what THEIR "magic wage" is. I guarantee there is one for ANY job. HOWEVER, "illegal" employers(the bad guys) are willing to pay $5.00/hour if they can get away with it. To workers who are not American citizens. I don't care what the color of your skin is or what your nationality is, as long as you're an American citizen or in this country legally. I want to see you make MUCH more than what the "illegal" employers pay.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Aug 8, 2017 6:32:59 GMT -5
ronswanson, you say they aren't paid well, but the Plantation owners on this site say they pay them extremely well and they have to hire them because no American will do the job for really great money.
Let's see, Teachers have 183 days they have to work in a 365 day calendar. Let's bring some illegals in to do those jobs since it's only half the year and we will pay the illegal teachers $25,000 a year. Afterall they have 182 days in a year they don't have to teach so they should pick up another job to round out their income. Then after all Americans stop teaching we can claim that Americans just won't teach, so we need these illegals to come here to teach.
If the gov't enforces the law. Then wages in construction and farming will go up. When the wages go up then Americans will have a wage they'd be willing to do the job for. Americans are garbage men Americans are sewer repairmen Americans are anything tough and disgusting that you can think of But Americans won't build houses? Pick Veggies? <--- Obviously those Industries are not paying enough because of the amount of Illegals here driving down the wages.
School Districts need to relax on having legal citizens teach and just let anybody with a fake ID come and teach.
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Post by ronswanson on Aug 8, 2017 7:42:09 GMT -5
Huge difference between teachers and seasonal farm jobs, hopefully you're smart enough to see that. Teachers get incredible benefits and they work 9 months out of the year, don't go by days. These seasonal farm jobs sometimes last only 6-8 weeks, depending on the crop and have no benefits as far as retirement, healthcare, etc. So to compare a teacher to a seasonal farm job is dumb. And illegals aren't going to colleges, getting degrees and becoming teachers so there's no reason to even use this as an example or compare the two. You can spin it however you want but seasonal farm jobs, no matter how much they pay, can never give Americans enough benefits or money to raise a family on and live the way they would want to. As I mentioned in my previous post, migrant workers are willing to do these jobs without the benefits and drive from state to state.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 8, 2017 11:13:15 GMT -5
ronswanson, you say they aren't paid well, but the Plantation owners on this site say they pay them extremely well and they have to hire them because no American will do the job for really great money. Let's see, Teachers have 183 days they have to work in a 365 day calendar. Let's bring some illegals in to do those jobs since it's only half the year and we will pay the illegal teachers $25,000 a year. Afterall they have 182 days in a year they don't have to teach so they should pick up another job to round out their income. Then after all Americans stop teaching we can claim that Americans just won't teach, so we need these illegals to come here to teach. If the gov't enforces the law. Then wages in construction and farming will go up. When the wages go up then Americans will have a wage they'd be willing to do the job for. Americans are garbage men Americans are sewer repairmen Americans are anything tough and disgusting that you can think of But Americans won't build houses? Pick Veggies? <--- Obviously those Industries are not paying enough because of the amount of Illegals here driving down the wages. School Districts need to relax on having legal citizens teach and just let anybody with a fake ID come and teach. yes magic Government is the answer, let's just make the Government big enough to do all of this, what a great GOP platform so you are against free markets, for bigger Government intervention, and alienating people who pay taxes You sure you're not a liberal kid? I mean, are you sure?
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 8, 2017 11:14:02 GMT -5
if Government would enforce Speeding laws no one would speed
My gosh, it's just that simple...let Government solve everything! Yeah Government!
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Post by Whittaker on Aug 8, 2017 11:55:08 GMT -5
And illegals aren't going to colleges, getting degrees and becoming teachers so there's no reason to even use this as an example or compare the two. There are colleges in other countries. There are teachers in other countries. Why can't illegals be teachers. Do you think they are too dumb? If a teacher sneaks into this country why would you oppose the local school board hiring them and paying them substandard wages with no benefits? If its good for the farmers why isn't it good for the local taxpayer who pay teacher's salaries?
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 8, 2017 11:57:40 GMT -5
Whitaker are you for a federal minimum wage hike to $15?
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