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Post by crimson5 on Aug 16, 2019 8:05:16 GMT -5
Heard this afternoon that after this morning's news of a few more athletes, the spigot was opened a little larger and about a half dozen or so kids are playing, even a few mentioned earlier in this thread that are returning lettermen. That seems to be the theme....stupid comments.... Please just go away, you are tiresome.
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Post by dude on Aug 16, 2019 8:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by truecrimson on Aug 16, 2019 8:16:54 GMT -5
No Einstein(s), they were working jobs (labor) trying to make a few bucks before going back to school, prior to that they were lifting as a basketball team at 7:00am 3 days per week right beside the football team, the reason they decided to play football is because their classmates and coaches have been pleading with them all summer to play (much respect there), by all accounts they were very well received last night by both players and coaches, optimism is abundance right now It is great if more kids are joining the team and this is good for the program. However, I have an issue and this is just my opinion. These new teammates should be sitting the first 3 weeks for joining late. Rules on joining a team are in place for a reason and if the coaches allow this to happen without any regard to putting in the work, there should be some sort or punishment for this. Otherwise, you are setting the precedence that it is acceptable and next year you’ll have more kids doing this. The message I’m reading here is win at any cost and it isn’t fair to all the kids that have worked their tales off this summer to lose a starting spot to kids that may have a little more talent but did not join the team before the deadline. Had a kid approached the coach and said coach I want to play but I’m working the coach could have said okay jimmy but you need to be here on your days off and i can’t play you the first 3 games. I hope for the sake of this program’s future they do this because otherwise you have opened a can of worms here and kids aren’t stupid, they’ll play the hand you deal them and in this case, take the summer off and join the team without any penalty, sends the wrong message IMO.
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Post by dude on Aug 16, 2019 8:30:30 GMT -5
No Einstein(s), they were working jobs (labor) trying to make a few bucks before going back to school, prior to that they were lifting as a basketball team at 7:00am 3 days per week right beside the football team, the reason they decided to play football is because their classmates and coaches have been pleading with them all summer to play (much respect there), by all accounts they were very well received last night by both players and coaches, optimism is abundance right now It is great if more kids are joining the team and this is good for the program. However, I have an issue and this is just my opinion. These new teammates should be sitting the first 3 weeks for joining late. Rules on joining a team are in place for a reason and if the coaches allow this to happen without any regard to putting in the work, there should be some sort or punishment for this. Otherwise, you are setting the precedence that it is acceptable and next year you’ll have more kids doing this. The message I’m reading here is win at any cost and it isn’t fair to all the kids that have worked their tales off this summer to lose a starting spot to kids that may have a little more talent but did not join the team before the deadline. Had a kid approached the coach and said coach I want to play but I’m working the coach could have said okay jimmy but you need to be here on your days off and i can’t play you the first 3 games. I hope for the sake of this program’s future they do this because otherwise you have opened a can of worms here and kids aren’t stupid, they’ll play the hand you deal them and in this case, take the summer off and join the team without any penalty, sends the wrong message IMO.
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Post by crimson5 on Aug 16, 2019 8:43:14 GMT -5
It is great if more kids are joining the team and this is good for the program. However, I have an issue and this is just my opinion. These new teammates should be sitting the first 3 weeks for joining late. Rules on joining a team are in place for a reason and if the coaches allow this to happen without any regard to putting in the work, there should be some sort or punishment for this. Otherwise, you are setting the precedence that it is acceptable and next year you’ll have more kids doing this. The message I’m reading here is win at any cost and it isn’t fair to all the kids that have worked their tales off this summer to lose a starting spot to kids that may have a little more talent but did not join the team before the deadline. Had a kid approached the coach and said coach I want to play but I’m working the coach could have said okay jimmy but you need to be here on your days off and i can’t play you the first 3 games. I hope for the sake of this program’s future they do this because otherwise you have opened a can of worms here and kids aren’t stupid, they’ll play the hand you deal them and in this case, take the summer off and join the team without any penalty, sends the wrong message IMO. In principal, I agree with this completely. However, circumstances surrounding these individuals and why they are playing is different. They were approached by the coaches and AD after the season/practice had started and asked to consider playing. 2 of them haven't played football since 6th grade. In this case, I don't think punishment for missing the first 2 weeks of practice is warranted. Certainly not sitting the first 3 games. Maybe extra running after practice.
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Post by maplecityjake on Aug 16, 2019 8:55:30 GMT -5
I think this recent news shaved off 2-3 State Soccer titles from Drug Matt's list.
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Post by truecrimson on Aug 16, 2019 8:56:50 GMT -5
In principal, I agree with this completely. However, circumstances surrounding these individuals and why they are playing is different. They were approached by the coaches and AD after the season/practice had started and asked to consider playing. 2 of them haven't played football since 6th grade. In this case, I don't think punishment for missing the first 2 weeks of practice is warranted. Certainly not sitting the first 3 games. Maybe extra running after practice. I agree, it is about principle and it isn’t as much to do about punishment, it is more about setting the example to those that have worked so hard the last 4-6 weeks, and longer for some that their efforts and commitment are acknowledged and appreciated. I suppose you and I see this differently and that is okay.
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Post by dude on Aug 16, 2019 8:58:12 GMT -5
Punishment may not be an appropriate word for this circumstance. Maybe it would be better to have a minimum requirement of practices, that equals the players who began when the season started, before you can play in a game. The kids that began Aug 1 with the first official day of practice will have approximately 25 days of practice in before they play a game.
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Post by crimson5 on Aug 16, 2019 9:16:08 GMT -5
In principal, I agree with this completely. However, circumstances surrounding these individuals and why they are playing is different. They were approached by the coaches and AD after the season/practice had started and asked to consider playing. 2 of them haven't played football since 6th grade. In this case, I don't think punishment for missing the first 2 weeks of practice is warranted. Certainly not sitting the first 3 games. Maybe extra running after practice. I agree, it is about principle and it isn’t as much to do about punishment, it is more about setting the example to those that have worked so hard the last 4-6 weeks, and longer for some that their efforts and commitment are acknowledged and appreciated. I suppose you and I see this differently and that is okay. No, I think we see it very similarly. I agree, punishment is not the right word. I also agree the young men who have been there since day 1 should be recognized for that. I just took exception to the 3 games of sitting....any games missed for that matter.....considering the circumstances in which they joined the team. Not sure of the right way to handle it, they certainly shouldn't be handed a starting position without putting in ample hard work. However, 2 of them are outstanding athletes that will be starters eventually. We're not far apart on our opinions here.
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Post by dude on Aug 16, 2019 9:29:36 GMT -5
However, circumstances surrounding these individuals and why they are playing is different. They were approached by the coaches and AD after the season/practice had started and asked to consider playing. 2 of them haven't played football since 6th grade. In this case, I don't think punishment for missing the first 2 weeks of practice is warranted. Certainly not sitting the first 3 games. Maybe extra running after practice.I want to ask, should any kid be allowed to join a sports team 2 weeks after practice starts? Is this just for the kids the coach wants on the team. I know numbers were low but I never heard talks about canceling the season because of those numbers. I know buckeyekid was excited about this news but I wonder as a 4 year college player, this would have been accepted on his teams at Willard and Cap.
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Post by curmudgeon on Aug 16, 2019 10:06:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately for all those parents who's who kids lack coordination or athletic ability, showing up isn't good enough alone. The best always play. In theory, those who have not missed a practice should be better than those joining late. Life mirrors this after high school too. This sound like all those soccer moms who scream at the coach that their son makes all the practice and deserves equal playing time. The program is always stronger when the whole team is devoted. But it sounds like Willard has a reason to be happy anyway.
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Post by buckeyekid on Aug 16, 2019 10:08:42 GMT -5
My take is this This was a transition year and the situation was such that we were in danger of not fielding a full squad to even practice 11 on 11. We needed every warm body to fill a team--period. It's great these kids decided to play. If we were sitting on 55 kids,,then I might view it differently,,,,but as I'm told the SOS went out to the student body--"come out and give football a try and be with your friends. We NEED you." Going forward,,,I might view it differently --but when you need kids/ players---bring them on. Remember--in the end,,,the players will all get to play I'm quite sure,,and playing time will not be an issue this year.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Aug 16, 2019 11:26:31 GMT -5
All of this will be ok until the first kid who went to summer lifting and did all the camps and all the 7 on 7’s and all the 2 a days loses his job to one of these kids. Once that happens it will become a problem to be dealt with.
Flip side is that they might win more games and wins cure all.
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Post by oldno72 on Aug 16, 2019 11:53:16 GMT -5
In reality, the kids probably won't be playing anytime soon. OHSAA has minimum practice days with and without contact, the players need to get in football shape, learn the system, etc. In all likelihood, the kids probably won't be playing week 1 or maybe week 2.
I have seen this happen at several schools over the years. In those cases, the kids who went through the summer workouts usually had a say in the matter. No coach in their right mind is going to want to create dissention on his team, so player buy in in critical.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Aug 16, 2019 12:11:57 GMT -5
In reality, the kids probably won't be playing anytime soon. OHSAA has minimum practice days with and without contact, the players need to get in football shape, learn the system, etc. In all likelihood, the kids probably won't be playing week 1 or maybe week 2. I have seen this happen at several schools over the years. In those cases, the kids who went through the summer workouts usually had a say in the matter. No coach in their right mind is going to want to create dissention on his team, so player buy in in critical. If they started yesterday they’ll be able to play in next Friday’s scrimmage.
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Post by dude on Aug 16, 2019 12:23:31 GMT -5
Imagine the argument a kid will have next year when he wants to sit out all summer activities so he can go to the pool, he can lift with the tennis team so that his paperwork is turned in but then decide to join the football team just in time for the team picture is taken for the program. Imagine the hours he can put into online gaming working towards his future with all that free time.
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Post by truecrimson on Aug 16, 2019 12:23:51 GMT -5
My take is this This was a transition year and the situation was such that we were in danger of not fielding a full squad to even practice 11 on 11. We needed every warm body to fill a team--period. It's great these kids decided to play. If we were sitting on 55 kids,,then I might view it differently,,,,but as I'm told the SOS went out to the student body--"come out and give football a try and be with your friends. We NEED you." Going forward,,,I might view it differently --but when you need kids/ players---bring them on. Remember--in the end,,,the players will all get to play I'm quite sure,,and playing time will not be an issue this year. I didn’t ever believe they were in jeopardy of cancelling the season once 2 a days started, they had enough to field a team. What I think happened is some players on the team recruited hard to get some better athletes to go out and there is nothing wrong with that, I actually encourage and support it. What I don’t support is kids stepping in and taking spots over kids that met the deadline and did all the work prior to this season starting. To me, there isn’t a pass for what some say is a transition year. Rules are in place for a reason and once you start bending them for a few, rules won’t matter and the integrity of the system is at risk.
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Post by oldno72 on Aug 16, 2019 12:39:11 GMT -5
In reality, the kids probably won't be playing anytime soon. OHSAA has minimum practice days with and without contact, the players need to get in football shape, learn the system, etc. In all likelihood, the kids probably won't be playing week 1 or maybe week 2. I have seen this happen at several schools over the years. In those cases, the kids who went through the summer workouts usually had a say in the matter. No coach in their right mind is going to want to create dissention on his team, so player buy in in critical. If they started yesterday they’ll be able to play in next Friday’s scrimmage. They may be eligible to play, but will they be ready to play? It takes some time to get used to hitting....not something most kids can walk off the street and do in a week. Especially, the ones who have not played football since 6 th grade. The contact is a bit greater on the Varsity level than the pee wee level.
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Post by Admin on Aug 16, 2019 13:20:15 GMT -5
When I attended BGSU Urban Meyer was the coach. During one year a lot of injuries took place and in the middle of the season Urban held tryouts. Urban Meyer is okay with allowing players on his team that didn't put in the Summer work as long as he asked them to join the team.
Much like the movie Hoosiers. The coach was okay with Jimmy joining the team in the middle of the season because he asked Jimmy to join the team. Had Jimmy never been asked to play and showed up late Gene Hackman would have given him the boot and put Ollie the 1/2 a player in instead.
As long as the Head Coach asked them to play then everything is okay. If they were never asked to play and just showed up late then I'd expect the coach to force them to sit the first few games.
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Post by curmudgeon on Aug 16, 2019 14:34:17 GMT -5
Give the kids who showed up every practice and lifting session their plastic trophy. Then, throw the best players on the field and let's play football!
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Post by portwalk on Aug 16, 2019 19:25:04 GMT -5
He's not getting a college basketball scholly any time soon. Unless he's 6'4 by his senior year. Isn't he about 6'1- 6'2? In football in college,,,that I could see at some level. I wish the kid nothing but the best, and I hope he doesn't sit out football to just concentrate on one sport. I could see a kid like him playing at an Ashland Univ in football,,,but I really don't see him as a basketball player at that level unless he grows or somehow develops much better guard skills required to play in college,,even at D2 or NAIA. Just my opinion anyway. HUH? He'll be going to college on a basketball scholarship, mark my words. You must be watching the boxscores instead of the games because he is one of those kids that is smooth and a tough match up for many, will be a breakout year for him in basketball this year (remember, he was only a sophomore last year). I would say lb for lb, best athlete on that basketball team. Hope this is a kid not an adult he is going to be a junior not a frosh should be dominating at this level if he’s gonna get paid to play in college...
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Post by crimson5 on Aug 17, 2019 17:14:27 GMT -5
If they started yesterday they’ll be able to play in next Friday’s scrimmage. They may be eligible to play, but will they be ready to play? It takes some time to get used to hitting....not something most kids can walk off the street and do in a week. Especially, the ones who have not played football since 6 th grade. The contact is a bit greater on the Varsity level than the pee wee level. I will be surprised if 2, maybe 3, aren't playing substantial minutes in the first game against South Central. The difference in size, speed, and overall athleticism between them and the kids currently playing the same positions is huge.
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2019 18:06:45 GMT -5
New Willard Football website at crimsonflashes.com. It's mostly done, there are a few other things I might do.
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Post by bigboy97 on Aug 17, 2019 19:09:18 GMT -5
They may be eligible to play, but will they be ready to play? It takes some time to get used to hitting....not something most kids can walk off the street and do in a week. Especially, the ones who have not played football since 6 th grade. The contact is a bit greater on the Varsity level than the pee wee level. I will be surprised if 2, maybe 3, aren't playing substantial minutes in the first game against South Central. The difference in size, speed, and overall athleticism between them and the kids currently playing the same positions is huge. Who are these 3 that you speak of? Was told by some who went to scrimmage other day that Paxton was one but they were not sure who other new players were?
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Post by crimson5 on Aug 17, 2019 19:34:52 GMT -5
I will be surprised if 2, maybe 3, aren't playing substantial minutes in the first game against South Central. The difference in size, speed, and overall athleticism between them and the kids currently playing the same positions is huge. Who are these 3 that you speak of? Was told by some who went to scrimmage other day that Paxton was one but they were not sure who other new players were? 2 that I know of are Meisner and Sallee
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Post by buckeyekid on Aug 18, 2019 6:54:12 GMT -5
I spoke with the AD at the Volleyball game yesterday. Was told Coach Long has given the word that Monday is the last day to join the team. Remember even if a kid joins Monday,,there's a mandatory process of days of non pads and and non hitting that must occur first. He also said he felt and I agreed this year was a "special circumstances year" and was not really wanting to repeat this kind of scenario going forward. I spoke with a parent a few days ago and was told they(his family and kids) really like the staff and head coach. I was glad to hear that. I hope a program can be built from the ground up.Maximize the number of kids who play and lastly, become a program that we're excited about and the community gets behind it.
When I went up to the volleyball game yesterday, I saw a Soccer game going on. Nice field and situation where a number of student athletes benefit from having a multi purpose field like that at Willard,,as opposed to playing in mud. Anyone who complains about having this field has too much time on their hands. It's a 100% blessing to have it in our town, regardless if we have 25 kids playing football or not. Softball uses it, baseball uses it. Being next to the weight room where conditioning and training can also happen on a dry surface,,,tons of use. It's right next to the HS and it's a pretty nice set up for all to take advantage of.
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Post by CEOSouth on Aug 18, 2019 12:21:26 GMT -5
New Willard Football website at crimsonflashes.com. It's mostly done, there are a few other things I might do. Great job. One thing that really sticks out is that the football team hasn’t had a winning record in what? 15 years? Wtf Logically, How many wins this year?
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Post by buckeyekid on Aug 18, 2019 15:01:59 GMT -5
Enrollment dropped--schedule stayed the same until recently. Talent dropped--last scholarship player,,Brandon Oney??? Ashland Univ 2005 season,,unless I'm missing someone?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 18, 2019 15:04:10 GMT -5
I spoke with the AD at the Volleyball game yesterday. Was told Coach Long has given the word that Monday is the last day to join the team. Remember even if a kid joins Monday,,there's a mandatory process of days of non pads and and non hitting that must occur first. He also said he felt and I agreed this year was a "special circumstances year" and was not really wanting to repeat this kind of scenario going forward. I spoke with a parent a few days ago and was told they(his family and kids) really like the staff and head coach. I was glad to hear that. I hope a program can be built from the ground up.Maximize the number of kids who play and lastly, become a program that we're excited about and the community gets behind it. When I went up to the volleyball game yesterday, I saw a Soccer game going on. Nice field and situation where a number of student athletes benefit from having a multi purpose field like that at Willard,,as opposed to playing in mud. Anyone who complains about having this field has too much time on their hands. It's a 100% blessing to have it in our town, regardless if we have 25 kids playing football or not. Softball uses it, baseball uses it. Being next to the weight room where conditioning and training can also happen on a dry surface,,,tons of use. It's right next to the HS and it's a pretty nice set up for all to take advantage of. What are the "special circumstances" this one year only? "Recruiting" time could be more well spent getting 20+ kids out for both the 7th and 8th grade teams.
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Post by marchmadness on Aug 18, 2019 15:08:25 GMT -5
I would think Willard should get 5 or 6 wins. Can't see them beating Oak Harbor or Huron, but that schedule has some real soft spots.
One thing I forgot/didn't know was that Willard went 3-7 during Charlie Frye's junior year.
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