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Post by greenman on Apr 6, 2017 15:48:46 GMT -5
Fairless, in SE Stark Co. Been there for 5 ys. after a stint in Loudonville, I think. Heard from a Castalia insider Lol that Wilson applying was just a rumor, he didnt Figured he wasn't, but since he coached the Bears during my years in HS, I found myself curious as to where he was. This convo led me to some unnecessaryresearch , tbh.
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Post by greenman on Apr 5, 2017 21:05:40 GMT -5
Thought Don Wilson had a good gig going on over in the Fairview area. Why would he wanna come back ? Fairless, in SE Stark Co. Been there for 5 ys. after a stint in Loudonville, I think.
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Post by greenman on Apr 5, 2017 20:49:39 GMT -5
When you watch as another commenter offers a perspective that doesn't align perfectly with WF worldview, or you watch as WF responds to a post that he imagines is insulting to him, i.e., his umbrage to the term "running" when referring to students easily transferring via OE:
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Post by greenman on Mar 28, 2017 13:59:27 GMT -5
Did anyone ever hear what the vote was for Long? I get that he will not be back but I never read what the vote was. The tone of the meeting, as I gathered from the article, meant that his ousting was unanimous. I could be wrong.
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Post by greenman on Mar 25, 2017 16:54:26 GMT -5
Probably... though their program has improved im willing to bet it has alittle to do with perkins pay to play. I've heard that Perkins plans to end open enrollment. Anybody know the details? We can only hope. It would have been fine had Gunner allowed it with a steady hand on the gate, but the initial rush of those first few years hit us hard, and it's coming back around. That said, it's a lot harder to close the valve than it was to open it up. Siblings of non-resident students will likely be grandfathered in, and I imagine it will be a slow process of capping the numbers lower and lower for a few years, rather than an immediate shutoff. Of course, it's academic, as it's nothing but a rumor at this point.
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Post by greenman on Mar 16, 2017 0:07:42 GMT -5
So Rod Cok wanted to be felt with a Long grip, or a or a felt grip to be Long? Sorry, it's late.
Anyone else just now catch the Board Prez's name?
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Post by greenman on Mar 14, 2017 12:16:57 GMT -5
I little research has Willard having 31 head basketball coaches since 1912. In that time only 4 have winning records. But this school has a "winning tradition". Of those 4 coaches, two were there only 1 season. So of the coaches with multiple years of coaching basketball at Willard, Haas and Nossaman are the only with winning records and they arguably had the best talent to ever pass thru the Willard gyms. Sounds about right. That Willard's "winning tradition" isn't really Willard's, but rather belongs two coaches over the years (and presumably the kids who played for them) may be the school's dirty little secret.
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Post by greenman on Mar 14, 2017 10:01:43 GMT -5
I've often written in support of coaches/teachers here when a dismissal causes controversy, whether it's a general discussion about hypotheticals or a real-life case, a la T. Tucker or Z. Reer. I don't have much contact w/ anything Willard these days, safe for what I observe here. I know the town's famous for its yuuuuge influx of "Spanish folk" as their city mgr. calls them, as well as their famous "drug problem," which I think is an unfair singling-out of one town in a region where the same is as true in any town in North Central OH.
Willard Crimson Flashes Varsity Boys Basketball Coach Hirschy's last campaign '12 - '13: 18W -7L Coach Long's first campaign '13 - '14: 15W - 9L *Still a solid year. '14 - '15: 12W - 13L *Ok, so below .500, but it happens. '15 - '16: 8W - 17L *Wait, what? '16 - '17: 3W - 20L *Ouch.
Before I'm bombarded with the obligatory "talent pool," "entitled kids," "other interests," "open enrollment," etc. arguments (which I should know about, and AGREE with), I should say that pointing the finger of blame entirely at Long is 100% wrong. Ask Jeremiah Diebler and Al Mielcarek if you don't agree with the "talent pool" argument, especially, although I imagine the latter would still be very tight-lipped about it as he is yet employed. That being said, at some point, the HC does hold the responsibility of keeping the plane in the air, even if he just holds steady rather than aims for the moon. Even if factors such as unsupportive administration/boards conspire to force the program to go south, there's no reason someone who's qualified to coach in the first place should allow things to fall apart so completely so quickly.
That being said, if we are indeed going to start running HS Varsity sports like a business, we need to do it with integrity. In the business world, if the department in which you work is not producing, lower-level and middle management will not likely be the only sacrificial lambs. It's the grunts that are released, as well. In the business, they are replaced; if no suitable replacements can be reasonably found, that sector of the company is one way or another done away with - folded into another division, whose responsibilities are broadened to include those of the lost department, or shut down, or sold off. Mgmt. can be replaced because of their failure to motivate and teach, but labor is also responsible, and should be accountable. Right?
For too long, we've kept hold of our two different minds about coaches and youth sports. When the team loses, the coach takes responsibility in the papers and in the locker rooms. If the team loses enough, the coach is railroaded out of town. When the team wins, it's thanks to a great group of kids, and a coach's hint that he/she might be good at teaching and motivating is considered "tasteless," and can earn the disapproval of the community no matter how true it is or how well the team does under that coach's leadership.
If losing is the entirely the coach's fault, winning should be a feather only in his or her own cap. If a team of high schoolers is mature enough to have the plaudits of victory heaped on them for winning, they should be mature enough to respond to the critics, and I daresay the press post-game, after a loss. If we continue on this road, our coaches and teachers will be little more than glorified baby-sitters, if they're not already.
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Post by greenman on Feb 20, 2017 1:25:09 GMT -5
There are a reason we call it "Perkins Twp." instead of just "Perkins?" As a Huron guy, I imagine you are for some reason looking down your nose at Perkins, and this is how you express it? Maybe I'm putting too much into it. Does the big sign in front of the high school say "Perkins Township High School"? On the side of the school buses does it say "Perkins Township School District"? Start calling the OHSAA right now. It took Ontario schools 5 years to convince them Ontario was not Mansfield Ontario. Oh, is that something copied from the site? I thought it was markmay doing it himself. Sorry, mark! It's just "Perkins." It's not really that big a deal, it just isn't something I've ever seen before. Normally, even OHSAA calls us "Sandusky Perkins," which is fine IMO.
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Post by greenman on Feb 20, 2017 1:22:41 GMT -5
There are a reason we call it "Perkins Twp." instead of just "Perkins?" As a Huron guy, I imagine you are for some reason looking down your nose at Perkins, and this is how you express it? Maybe I'm putting too much into it. he is mark may that alone says it all! It's not really that big a deal - it's just words. It's odd, though, because as a Huron guy, markmay has never heard or read Perkins High as "Perkins Township High School." markmay, traditionally, Perkins High has always served Groton, Oxford, and at least parts of Florence Twps. as well (not that it matters, in this era of OE). I thought it might be a rural/suburban vs. "city" school thing, like he was trying to look down his nose at us because we're not our own city, but there's plenty of farmland around Huron in the eponymous township, also part of the city's SD. It's just odd, in a silly way.
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Post by greenman on Feb 18, 2017 19:11:31 GMT -5
Friday 2/17 SBC 'Bay' Final scores Perkins Township 50 Edison 45 Clyde 80 Margaretta 77 Oak Harbor 69 Port Clinton 60 Huron 74 Vermilion 59, Huron clinched a share of the SBC title, Can win it outright with a win over Perkins Township next week. There are a reason we call it "Perkins Twp." instead of just "Perkins?" As a Huron guy, I imagine you are for some reason looking down your nose at Perkins, and this is how you express it? Maybe I'm putting too much into it.
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Post by greenman on Feb 12, 2017 17:08:10 GMT -5
You mean go look up information as opposed to getting on a computer and google searching? Yes I'd love these kids to go back to 20 years ago style. To learn how to WORK for something as opposed to having it at your finger tips without working. Could today's kids survive if all the computers in the world shut down? My god what would they do without their cell phones? Communication is huge in the education transfer to human working class. You obviously don't understand that. They wouldn't understand how to find information. Soft World which we live in. Why work for something when you can just steal it from someone else. I have news for ya. As far back as 25 years ago there was a computer on every desk of every person who worked in the office of a major company. They are much more wide spread now. On the manufacturing shop floors to retail businesses. And yet for all the advances, there are those who couldn't differentiate between "their," "they're," and "there" or "your" and "you're" to save their lives. Technology doesn't make these most basic skills obsolete, just the people who can't master them.
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Post by greenman on Feb 12, 2017 12:51:18 GMT -5
You know nothing about teaching, either. There are always some things that stay, some universal truths and methodologies that stand the test of time in the classroom.
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Post by greenman on Feb 12, 2017 12:37:52 GMT -5
You wouldn't want your child's teacher using the same style and lesson plans they used 15-20 years ago to teach today would you?
A million times this. The talking heads think laptops in classrooms are super. They're actually not. Sloth is rampant. Some years ago in Perkins, there were two teachers in particular who actually believed that allowing students access to their Smartphones in class was a good idea, that it would enrich them somehow. Over the objections of everyone else, that bizarre, unfounded claim won the day, and it's been a mess ever since. If I'm not mistaken, neither one of those teachers are there at this time. Now, you have to threaten detentions just to get them on task and off the texting, snapchatting, and Google-chatting, and when they finally do, they'll argue with you, as if they have any right in light of their rule-breaking, and treat you like garbage. wfa, you know nothing about basketball, about coaching, about how teenagers really are. You're clearly piping up for a precious snowflake that didn't get his/her way, and you think it's a crime somehow. You're an enabler, and you're hurting your child's cause, not helping it. Not by coming on here and protesting, but simply by being that way.
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Post by greenman on Feb 12, 2017 12:36:11 GMT -5
By downgrading I mean calling young ladies fat and dumb. Things of that nature. When's the last time they have won anything? Last time a tourney run? And as far as threats of not playing. It's not threats. It's happening. 2 seniors, no juniors, and more than half the freshmen did not come out. Don't be surprised if the Perkins program can only field a Varsity team next year. That's " degrading," and Ray Neill did not call girls on his basketball team fat or dumb. Didn't happen. Period. Someone's kid - maybe your's - is engaging in serious hyperbole or outright lies. This is precisely what I'm talking about. Players don't like what the ol' ball coach has to say, come home and cry to Mommy and Daddy, exaggerate or fabricate, and it's the coach's head, no matter what actually happened. When you say "When's the last time they won anything?", you betray yourself. You obviously know he's had success, and you're resentful it's not happening with your kid(s). They won conference my senior year - guess who was coaching: Ray Neill! They're 12-8 this year - what changed? Do you really think it's Ray? Do you really think that a coach with as much success in coaching multiple sports over a 40-year career would risk alienating a community just for the opportunity to call sixteen-year old girls fat and dumb? I'm thinking you're just another enabling parent to an undisciplined, over-entitled child who's never failed to receive a participation trophy, or you're friends with one. *Gasp!* You're kidding! You mean out of 250+ girls in grades 10-12, a handful that had come to try out before didn't?! Nooooooo! That's the beauty of it all, and my whole point. Every year, there's going to be kids raised as precious snowflakes rising through the ranks. Happily, every year, real competitors will rise even higher. No freshman team? So what? It's an unnecessary extension of middle school ball in any sport, in my opinion. No JV? Make the JV a team of freshman or nearly-all freshman, and cultivate them to be a battle-hardened group as they grow up. It's possible that this year's team may have missed the presence of those 2 seniors, but those seniors also missed out on being part of something bigger than themselves, missed possibly improving the team's record thanks to their own talent, and therefore missed out on a chance for appropriate accolades. Rather than being rightfully known as the backbone of a winning squad, some kids want their egos stroked now and forever, without ceasing. I've got a theory about the youngest of the millennial generation, in high schools and colleges right now across America - the Four Gratification types. In the last 50 years or so, every generation has been susceptible to at least one of them, but all four have come together in HS and college students in the last 3 years especially. Instant gratification, constant gratification, gratification on-demand, gratification free of charge. It's not just that they feel entitled to something - they feel entitled to everything, whenever they want it, without end, and without expense or sacrifice. Let the whiners whine and the quitters quit. The cream will rise. It always does.
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Post by greenman on Feb 11, 2017 23:08:51 GMT -5
The game has passed him by. Times have changed. They have underachieved. Amazing how they almost beat Clyde without him on the bench. The manner in which he speaks to young women is just downgrading. Perkins needs to get on board. Coach Neil does the same stuff and needs to go. Only 15 girls out and several already saying no way they are playing next year. Kids always make that threat and many times don't follow through with it. Funny how it's always the kids and parents that coach wishes would follow through. Don't let the gym doors hit you on the arse, snowflakes!
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Post by greenman on Feb 11, 2017 23:07:50 GMT -5
The game has passed him by. Times have changed. They have underachieved. Amazing how they almost beat Clyde without him on the bench. The manner in which he speaks to young women is just downgrading. Perkins needs to get on board. Coach Neil does the same stuff and needs to go. Only 15 girls out and several already saying no way they are playing next year. People like this poster are the problem with high school sports Agree 110%. I got a front-row seat for the end of the Zac Reer debacle at Monroeville. Mommy and Daddy didn't think Jr. was getting enough playing time, or was getting his delicate ears violated some vile curse words (ones that 16-year old boys would never use themselves), so they invited their Board member pal(s) over to a cookout, and the guy is left dangling in the wind. Nevermind that during his near-decade tenure, the Eagles would enjoy the best results they'd had since the 80s, that Reer was a true-blue Monroeville guy. Every player that has played under Reer is gone, and Eagle BBb has hit the skids after squandering two years of the life of a coach with an impressive local coaching pedigree and doubling down on underachieving this year. Many in Monkeyville have yet to even pronounce the poor guy's name without help; trying to learn might just be a waste of time, too. All to satisfy a few well-placed, meddlesome know-nothing parents and the fragile porcelain figurines they call their "sons," boys that are long gone anyway. As for Ray Neill and Perkins: I'm even more familiar with them both than I am with the M'ville situation, being Perkins alumnus and having played summer ball under Ray. Lesson #1 for wfa: Ray Neill has put together more successful teams, cultivated more student-athletes to successful people on and off the field/court, and built more complete programs from the ground up in his 4 decades of coaching (and that's just baseball) than some school districts and communities could hope for in a century. Champions fight for the opportunity to play for him and people like him - no creampuffs, snowflakes, or Faberge eggs need apply. Lesson #2 for wfa: Having several opportunities to observe and work with the current PHS student population, it pains me to tell you that, since my matriculation, the best things about the Perkins student body culture have taken a nosedive. Self-discipline, respect for authority, responsibility, and accountability - all gone. I'm not saying we were all shining examples of humanity, but as a collective, we were actually pretty decent in those respects. Not today - entitlement attitudes and rampant disrespect shown there embarrasses me as alumnus. I think I'll give Coach Neill the benefit of the doubt on this one. As for athletes who sit out because coach is a big meany stupidhead: you're hurting yourself more than you're hurting the program you're boycotting. Even mediocre coaches will find someone to fill in just fine without you. What happens when you decline to go out for a team in protest, and the team ends the season with a great record? Winning conference? Meanwhile, you wasted an athletic season of your youth sitting on your ***, snapchatting, and pouting, all while being aided and abetted by Mommy and Daddy. And what the hell is "downgrading?" Do you mean he's demoting them to JV?
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Post by greenman on Nov 28, 2016 23:03:53 GMT -5
Didn't see my name in the standings up top, but in the totals.
St. I LaSalle Hoban Hartley Coldwater Cuy. Hts. JFK
48 pts.
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Post by greenman on Nov 23, 2016 14:11:01 GMT -5
Edison Coldwater St. I St. X - go, Jesuit schools! TCC LaSalle DeSales Mass. Perry
I'm starting to get the reasoning behind the calls for a public/private split. Then again, between open-enrollment and the athletic legacies of large schools, there are still a lot of public schools that have the pull, prestige, and power of the big privates. Too many, I think, for a public/private split to be fair without some discussion on that nuance.
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Post by greenman on Nov 23, 2016 14:05:06 GMT -5
Cuy. Heights PH JFK McComb Alter Steubenville
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Post by greenman on Nov 22, 2016 13:06:29 GMT -5
A well-deserved round of applause for "dump."
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Post by greenman on Nov 15, 2016 11:22:53 GMT -5
SP McComb Ft. Recovery Marion Local PH NDCL Hoban Mass. Perry Ft. Frye Coshocton
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Post by greenman on Nov 15, 2016 11:21:01 GMT -5
St. I Anth. Wayne TCC Steubenville Edison PH SP
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Post by greenman on Nov 12, 2016 15:36:13 GMT -5
Methinks that saurak will soon be in Danish custody, anyway.
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Post by greenman on Nov 12, 2016 15:30:37 GMT -5
He's a howling nut there, too. As Gomer would say: surprise, surprise, surprise!
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Post by greenman on Nov 12, 2016 15:28:49 GMT -5
Anybody that types with such prolific use of ALL-CAPS knows exactly what they're doing. From one Catholic to another, please stop - you're disgraceful. That is, or course, if you really are one. It's a sad fact that in the times we live in, anyone with enough cash or clout can enroll in schools built for Catholic students. Either way, what you're doing is juvenile and un-Christian, no matter who had won. What is REALLY DISGRACEFUL is someone like YOU trying to minimize the ACCOMPLISHMENTS of kids who actually GO TO SCHOOL, DO THE WORK DURING THE OFFSEASON, GO TO PRACTICE AND THEN BENEFIT FROM THEIR HARD WORK! Again, having "CASH" has nothing to do with it, if you want "CASH" go out and EARN it instead of asking the GOVERNMENT to GIVE it TO YOU because YOU do not want to get off the COUCH and EARN A LIVING. What kids don't go to school, do the work during the offseason, go to practice, and benefit from hard work. Furthermore, who said I don't have cash, or that I don't have a job, for that matter? Your post is just one long, angry straw man. Go get help.
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Post by greenman on Nov 12, 2016 11:06:00 GMT -5
Where was I hating or accusing your school of anything? I simply stated your post are for lack of better terms obnoxious. You trolled the plain alter guys kinda like your doing on this thread it's childish at best. So UNFORTUNATE that you and GANG have to label speaking the truth as TROLLING due to the FACTS being the FACTS, but if that is ALL you have then that is ALL you HAVE! IT is what it is and AVOIDING the RUNNING CLOCK in THIS GAME should be really what PC is AIMING for! Anybody that types with such prolific use of ALL-CAPS knows exactly what they're doing. From one Catholic to another, please stop - you're disgraceful. That is, or course, if you really are one. It's a sad fact that in the times we live in, anyone with enough cash or clout can enroll in schools built for Catholic students. Either way, what you're doing is juvenile and un-Christian, no matter who had won.
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Post by greenman on Nov 7, 2016 20:29:44 GMT -5
M'ville Mogadore McComb Crestview Danville Ft. Recovery Minster Pat Henry Wynford Marion Local Coldwater Canton CC Norwayne O-G Alter
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Post by greenman on Nov 7, 2016 20:26:59 GMT -5
Sandusky Shelby Edison Bishop Hartley M'ville Wynford Toledo CC
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Post by greenman on Nov 1, 2016 9:27:07 GMT -5
Sandusky OG PC Shelby Edison Crestview Clyde
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