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Post by greenman on Oct 30, 2016 21:39:53 GMT -5
SP M'ville McComb Arlington Lehman Cath. Ft. Recovery Pat Henry Spencerville JA Black River N'Western Pleasant Genoa Gibsonburg CC SE BG Struthers Manchester St. X.
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Post by greenman on Oct 30, 2016 21:36:53 GMT -5
Jesusmaryandtheangels, WF, you're pulling things out of thin air to be aggrieved about. If you're not really a troll, enjoying all this attention, and you're serious about all this, then you're going to argue, snipe, and backbite your way into an early grave. Are you like this in person?
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Post by greenman on Oct 29, 2016 20:52:45 GMT -5
Great, great game, though. Someone said about 3K in attendance - wouldn't be surprised. Stands filled, people standing completely surrounding the sidelines (minus player areas of course), sometimes five or more deep. Got there are six, and I was lucky to find parking in front of St. Joe's.
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Post by greenman on Oct 28, 2016 16:01:20 GMT -5
Tell me, why does Perkins have Open Enrollment? Ontario voters were not going to pass an operating levy, they even threatened to turn down a renewal levy. Why? Ontario was growing, schools were crowded, the middle school was 100 years old and falling down. The voters stepped up and passed a levy to build a new middle school and make an addition to the high school. Shortly after all construction was completed and moved into, Ohio won their lawsuit against the tobacco companies. Systems all around Ontario were getting new schools built for 33 cents on the dollar, the state giving them the 66%. Now Ontario needed to refurbish their oldest elementary school and double it's size, after selling their newer elementary school on the East side of town, which really POd voters. So they applied for state money, like most all schools in a 6 county area were doing and they all got their money. The State said nope to Ontario, you don't qualify, your district is too wealthy. So the district tried 3 times to get money from the voters and finally passed a levy to do the elementary construction. Now they needed money to operate the new schools. That was the last straw. The district sold a school building they shouldn't have. The voters paid for a new middle school and an addition to the high school. Then all schools in the area were getting free money from the State to build new schools, but wouldn't give Ontario a penny. So the voters passed another levy for the elementary schools. After 3 operating levies were turned down and voters were threatening to defeat a renewal levy, the district was over 1 million in debt and the superintendent left. The new Super had been the Super at Massillon city schools and had dug them out of a financial hole. The first thing she did was to say we WILL have Open Enrollment. 4 years later, the district is out of debt and is solvent until 2021, without the need of a new operating levy. AND Ontario hs the lowest property taxes in the area. If the people of Ontario don't like Open Enrollment, all they have to do is vote to increase their property taxes by an average of $1000/year. How about you? Do you ALWAYS vote for school levies? I do, not one thing on the ballot is more important to me. Granted, a school district has very little say on who they can turn down when it comes to Open Enrollment. However they can set a limit on the quantity they take. Ontario does an extensive study every year and doesn't take one more student than they can handle. There are some bad situations, but the vast majority of Open Enrollment students at Ontario are good kids. AND Ontario schools STILL get the highest academic grades from the State in a 6 county area. THAT being the case, at Ontario schools nothing is ridiculous, robbed, too large or wiped out. ALSO, at Ontario students can take college courses from their high school teachers that will give them up to 60 hours of college credits by the time they graduate, FOR FREE. They don't even pay for the text books like in college. I guess I'm just a softy, I have empathy for children that aren't getting a good education, through no fault of their own. You can be upset with the state, with the system, with parents, but not the kids. I pity Perkins' situation. Before Dr. Sanders returned home to take the reins at Sandusky in 2012, the district was still stuck in the malaise of high-poverty, low performance, and low self-esteem that had crippled it during the 90s. Small gains had been made in the 00's - especially with Sandusky's adoption of open-enrollment - but overall, things still looked rather bleak. Gunner, Supt. of Perkins at the time, smelled blood in the water and saw dollar signs floating in front of his eyes. We were promised that "Perkins discipline" would remain in place, but the writing was on the wall from very early on when the floodgates were finally opened. When district report cards would come out (under the old system), we used to consistently rank near Edison (Excellent, Excellent w/ Distinction). Those days are gone. To further his quest for more $$$, Gunner also partially dismantled one of the only - and one of the better - middle school gifted programs in the area (of which I was a proud part back in the day). Only recently under the new Super was this revived - at this point, still just a shadow of what it once was. This was done in a deal with the Devil where Perkins took even more of the severely-handicapped students than we already did (already, we were the only school in the county that could accommodate the most needful students), while Townsend(sp?) at Margaretta took alt. education students and Sandusky set up their Regional Ctr. for Advanced Academic Studies (which in any other district, would just be called the gifted prgm., but needs to be a special, separate building with SCS). School districts get more $$$ per student w/disabilities than per gifted student, don'tcherknow? Now the whole place is a mess, and those of us who were there all through the nineties can only hang our heads. Not to bash Sandusky for creating that Reg. Ctr., though. The pride and community spirit that Dr. Sanders and the whole Blue Streak family have worked so hard to bring back in such a short time is astounding. No matter what lingering bad you may see in the schools or the city, it's an amazing accomplishment to have so many in this town pulling together for the schools again, and the schools pulling for the community in return. I raise a glass to 'em.
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Post by greenman on Oct 27, 2016 23:30:10 GMT -5
Valid statement. How can a school take on an additional 340+ students and not have additional teachers. It is impossible. Who said 340+? Not impossible, class sizes used to be way below state maximum standards, now are close to or at the top of state standards. Mr Steel didn't answer, maybe scootyknowitall can. How did the Ontario school district in 4 years, go from over 1 million in dept to being solvent through 2021 without passing an additional operating levy?? In the first year of open enrollment at Perkins, around that many applications were received from Sandusky families alone. Open-enrollment is ridiculous across the board. It robs the better schools of resources, takes schools that are already too large to give every student the attention they deserve and makes them far larger, destroys the identity of small communities by wiping out their schools entirely, and teaches folks not to make sacrifices to change a place you love for the better - just ride the rails 'til you reach grass that's still green.
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Post by greenman on Oct 27, 2016 23:22:27 GMT -5
There was no insult, it was a word to describe an action of movement. Nobody is actually performing a sprinting motion. Ask those who Open Enroll. You have never in your entire lifetime ever admitted to being wrong about anything, you are not a big enough person. A first time would be good for your soul. Paging Dr. Pot, you have a call on line 1 from Dr. Kettle. Please pick up the nearest white courtesy phone. I'm one of those folks who's in the schools everyday, and I've met plenty of "open-enrolled" kids. Eight times out of ten, it has nothing to do with actual "opportunities" in the classroom, but Mommy and Daddy KnowNothing not getting their ridiculous, unreasonable way in one one district when they are up against the actual expertise of professionals trained in pedagogy and child psychology. They skip town and take their bad personalities and complete lack of understanding and infest another district. If that district is really any good, they run into the same situation again. When it comes to the "Calling open-enrollment folks 'runners' is discriminatory," WF, it appears you don't even believe your own BS. No way would such a harmless word like "runner" make you fly so far off the handle so fast otherwise. You and Scooter's endless wars about nothing on these threads usually just make me sick, with both of you sharing equal parts to the whole of my nausea, but this is something on which I feel I needed to speak out. I don't have anything special against either one of you necessarily - I was about to write this entire thread off once NOSF's original Oscar and Felix started another unnecessary spat. Then I saw one teensy word take you from your usual "have-to-get-the-last-word-in-everywhere" self to "foaming-at-the-mouth" defensive. As someone who's in the schools day after day, having seen what "open enrollment" has done to what were once some of the better schools, I admit that I'd already somewhat picked a side, though I didn't intend to have a dog in one of your little fights. Then, you saw the word "running" and flew the hell off the handle, and I admit, I kind of enjoyed watching it. There's a special lil' Johnny in your life that you feel didn't get enough playing time, or maybe the classroom teachers weren't kowtowing to the concept of lil' Johnny acting like an arsehole as he is wont to do- you didn't get your way BOO HOO - so like so many of the breeders (I'll burn in Hell's deepest pit before I call them "parents," by God) of this generation's teenagers, you run from your problems. That's why such an unbelievable innocuous word gives you fits - it must describe you perfectly! Many of the open-enrollment students I've met in multiple districts are not one-and-done transfers - most I know could rack up Frequent Flyer miles on the school district ship-jumping. Some go to four or five surrounding districts before they "get it right." Others jump back and forth between two or three, ofttimes within the same school year. The ridiculous thing is that most of these kids are great, academically and behavior-wise, and, like a hardy plant, would likely thrive anywhere if the parent(s)/guardian(s) would let them lay down some roots. Can't hold a marriage together? Let's bounce a kid across a county, or even the state? Mean ol' teacher won't give lil' Suzy a 30-day extension on a five-question worksheet? Outrage, and on to the district next door! Coach won't put our Billy in at QB and WR at the same time so he'll get the looks he deserves from Overpriced State U.? Into the arms of our archrivals, that'll show 'em! Meanwhile, as it's already been put forward here, the cost of an open-enrolled students education far exceeds what tax monies they bring with them, into a community and school culture that may be profoundly different from what they are accustomed to. Schools losing students to popular districts with open-enrollment tend not to be so gracious about the loss, either. In '09, one local school in a suburban community I know received hundreds upon hundreds of applications from one neighboring, more "urban" district in particular, and it went on like that for several years. The school on the losing end became VERY vocally bitter about the both the loss of their students as well as the resources that the other district had in the first place to make it so very attractive even before it opened its enrollment. The suburban school is now a shadow of its former self, in terms of both academics and discipline - it's also overcrowded. During those early years, furthermore, it became apparent to staff at that suburban school that many students enrolling from the more "urban" district that could qualify for IEPs had not even been ID'd as possible candidates for such treatments by their home school. If that was accidental, it's serious negligence - if deliberate, it's even worse. I've digressed enough, WF. You're the one foaming at the mouth and swinging the ax over "running, for Chrissakes. Normally I'd ignore this nonsense, but you've really gone beyond the Pale in searching for something to be offended by or fight about. If such an innocuous, quotidian word is such a loud dog whistle for you, maybe you're the one that needs to do the soul-searching, or at least spend an hour a week laying on a shrink's couch. TL;DR: If "running" as it's used in this context is such a tender word for you, then you're guilty as sin of running from something when you should've stayed and compromised or stayed and fought. And you know it.
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Post by greenman on Oct 26, 2016 12:04:45 GMT -5
Crestview NL Mapleton Monroeville Eastwood Danbury Coldwater Harding Hillsdale N'Wester Firelands St. Mary's Mem. McComb Leipsic Delphos Jeff.
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Post by greenman on Oct 26, 2016 12:02:18 GMT -5
I like the Eagles this year. I heard that Anderson may be back, so he and Millis can tag-team again. M'ville hasn't been bad through the air, either, especially on defense.
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Post by greenman on Oct 16, 2016 22:29:21 GMT -5
Crestview SP Mapleton M'ville - if they could get it done against Mapleton and Crestview, this game won't play out like last year at Collins. Spencerville Danbury Marion Shelby Springfield Lex Chippewa Hillsdale Firelands SE Swanton
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Post by greenman on Oct 16, 2016 14:12:25 GMT -5
The team was flat. That's on Ziegler. I'm also tired of hearing his "we made mistakes, we have to get better" comment EVERY week. When are you gonna "get better"? In the off season? You're 8 games into the season. Back up QB played well, so it's not on him. Oak Harbor's O and D lines outplayed the Pirates. The Pirate secondary also must have stayed home, because OH threw the ball all over them. The only way the Pirates are going to the playoffs is if they buy a ticket at the gate. This was a should-win that they didn't. Those of us who predicted hard times after their sluggish showing at Sandusky were perhaps right, after all. You may not have Dale Irby talent waiting in the stables, but when you're one of the big boys in the last year of the SBC as we know it, you can't be dropping a homecoming game to a 2-win team. It looks like it's Perkins' turn to slide on HS FB Chutes and Ladders.
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Post by greenman on Oct 14, 2016 23:53:04 GMT -5
Embarrassing, especially for homecoming, but not completely a surprise. Sloppy and slow play sounds like the culprit in all of their losses so far, even if this game was the only "should-win" of the bunch. Where's the discipline?
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Post by greenman on Oct 9, 2016 14:50:19 GMT -5
Crestview NL SC SP Pleasant Wapakoneta LB SE St. Henry N'Western Marion Local Gibsonburg AW Riverdale Hillsdale
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Post by greenman on Oct 2, 2016 10:35:13 GMT -5
Mapleton M'ville Plymouth St. Paul Wynford St. John's O-G PH Genoa Hillsdale
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Post by greenman on Oct 2, 2016 0:32:01 GMT -5
I always wondered what would happen at all these pay to play schools, if the parents and kids got together, and no one went out for any sport? Most every school in the area has a ton of money wrapped up in stadiums. Would they just let them sit there empty for the whole year? When you stop to think about it, the players actually have some power over the schools. Be interesting if all the kids just decided to go on strike, and no one played any sport. Empty stadiums for an entire year. What would a school do then? Makes ya wonder. Sad to see Huron fans have forgotten football. Attendance has been in decline over there for a long time. I don't want to hear the excuse about people having "other things to do" either. Is that ONLY in Huron? All the other schools in the area have great fan support. I go to whichever game I think is the best game every week, so I've been to most every school in the entire area, and all the other games I go to have great crowds. All but Huron. People from the area all comment on it. They notice the lack of fan support when they play the Tigers. People from Huron have been in denial about it for quite awhile, but it's blatantly obvious to everyone else. Something is seriously WRONG in Tigertown. From 2000 to 2015, Huron lost 1K net in pop., or nearly 70 each year . In a city whose population peaked at 7,900ish (in 2000, no less), this should cause more visible concern from city hall than we've seen, to say nothing of any signs of panic from the schools. I've had trouble finding when the stadium was first built, but I know that as of now, the home side can seat 2,500 - you'd need to empty the town to fill the stands. That "empty the town" phenomenon doesn't happen anywhere these days, not even in the tiny country towns. Monroeville's homecoming only just filled the tiny home side at Marsh, and that crowd had thinned considerably by the beginning of Q4 on account of spotty weather and a game that was essentially finished by halftime. The Tigers used to draw the crowd with great ball in what was a coliseum compared to rival schools' stadiums at the time. Even the continuation of great play deep into the Legando administration couldn't keep the bleachers filled. Population loss, population aging, progress opening new avenues up to both potential spectators and players, universal open enrollment - all of these things pile one upon the other to dismantle institutions that give small communities their identity - the school, the football team, local businesses. In one of the districts in which I substitute-teach, I can't count the number of students that have either left for or come from a neighboring district just in this year. Families, and in turn their students, don't create ties to schools or the communities those schools are in. That doesn't just translate to fewer backsides filling bleachers, or bodies filling uniforms. If you're a parent, and you feel your student isn't getting what they need in class, you feel your student is being treated unfairly, or if you simply don't like the admins or teachers, you don't have to lobby and work hard as a member of a community to improve a system you can just leave. Even in our day, piratefan, Pirate football - and PHS in general - never was a central part of the entire community. In those old rickety bleachers above Scott Fry Dr., we'd draw a few alumni, parents, just a few young families, and the student section that, in my brief experience up there, were generally more interested in "other" things. Personally, I'm thankful for the new mega-conference realignment next year; hopefully, playing schools closer to their size will demand a more consistent level of good play and growth for the Pirate program. Sorry for the rant.
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Post by greenman on Oct 1, 2016 20:31:14 GMT -5
not sure if you meant last year greenman or forever, but huron and vermilion was a huge rivalry in the 60's and this weekend we will continue a tradtion of The Win-Oar a trophy that the winner of the game keeps until next football meeting . I'm a child of the 80s, if that explains anything. In the nineties, I watched as Vermilion was perhaps the first in our area for full "pay-to-play," and the prospect terrified us. They never seemed to to well in FB from then on. Of course now - last I knew, anyway - Perkins charges families a king's ransom to play, unless your family's entire existence depends on welfare. I remember talking to someone I knew that worked occasionally in the schools some years back; she was angered by one student mocking another for not being able to afford the fees, while the taunting student paid none, as his family relied completely on the largesse of the state.
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Post by greenman on Sept 25, 2016 21:09:38 GMT -5
Crestview SP M'ville NL McComb Marion Pleasant Black River Smithville Chippewa
Everyone's been talking about Mapleton's performance in the first half against M'ville Friday. The Mounties are tough and talented, and definitely could be a trap game for Crestview. That being said, their passing game took a huge blow once their tallest WR was double-covered - 2 INTs by Benfer stand out. Also, the Eagles that took the field the 1st half were NOT the Eagles that had played the previous four games - completely undisciplined. Crestview can handle Mapleton if they play 48 minutes of football instead of 24 or 12. I'm more worried about how the Eagles will respond to adversity like Crestview late in the season, especially with Anderson likely done. More and more, I'm thinking Crestview - St. Paul will be the real conference championship game, rather than M'ville - SP.
On a side note, the officiating at Mapleton Friday was absolute bollocks. A lot of it was time-wasting nonsense. The Mounties maybe got a few more calls their way than they should have, but I put that down to home-field advantage.
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Post by greenman on Sept 24, 2016 21:08:52 GMT -5
This is a difficult one to call, but I'm thinking Tigers. While they've never played each other, the history of these programs makes me believe that Huron, no matter what their hard times are, will still best a historically weaker Vermilion program.
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Post by greenman on Sept 18, 2016 7:18:12 GMT -5
After taking a licking from the Feather in wk 3, Clyde pops Perkins, continuing the arc of crazy that is already defining this season.
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Post by greenman on Sept 17, 2016 13:25:13 GMT -5
M'ville Plymouth Crestview SP McComb SE Fort Recovery Marion River Valley P'burg
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Post by greenman on Sept 16, 2016 23:42:37 GMT -5
Nice tribute to Munafo and Legando to start the night...........went downhill for Huron after that. Pirates were up 33-0 in the middle of the third quarter. Running clock til subs came in and the Tigers scored. This is the worst Tiger team I've seen in quite awhile. Gonna be a long season. Who will they beat? Can't believe it could be an 0-10 year. Huron stands were only about 1/3 full. Final 33-13 Tiger JVs scored a couple meaningless TDs in mop up time. I've heard they've struggled to respectably stock the home side with fans recently, even before these lean times. On-field product this year can't be helping.
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Post by greenman on Sept 14, 2016 11:27:47 GMT -5
Everyone's entitled to a few years in the cellar to refresh the stable, and especially to shift into comfortability with a new regime. I agree. Was just joking. Perkins had a few (quite a few, actually) down years. High school ball runs in cycles. The Tigers will be alright again. Bingo. I figured as much - I look for them to right their own ship by next season, if not jump out and surprise everyone near the end of this one.
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Post by greenman on Sept 13, 2016 19:54:01 GMT -5
The Tiger has turned into a kitty cat. Everyone's entitled to a few years in the cellar to refresh the stable, and especially to shift into comfortability with a new regime.
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2016 15:58:23 GMT -5
Mapleton M'ville SP Crestview St. John's Wynford Pat Henry St. Mary Mem. Springfield Coldwater
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2016 15:51:35 GMT -5
Drug Mart, the problem with creating a state soccer powerhouse is that even the local newspapers don't give half a f*ck. Neither does anyone else.
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2016 15:47:48 GMT -5
Willard can thank the football (not "futbol") gods for next year's new setup. Will the Thunderbolts-backers please stand up?
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Post by greenman on Sept 11, 2016 15:42:18 GMT -5
Sorry - didn't even remember that I forgot to post week two. Disregard my picks.
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Post by greenman on Sept 10, 2016 20:28:20 GMT -5
It's not like Bellevue-Clyde was close, nor was Bellevue-Huron. Still, I see Clyde and PC fighting for the crown, or sharing it.
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Post by greenman on Sept 10, 2016 20:19:35 GMT -5
It will be closer, but Whippets still take it.
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Post by greenman on Sept 10, 2016 20:17:37 GMT -5
This season's already interesting with the non-conference play between schools that will soon indeed be conference rivals - Huron could make this season super-interesting with a win. I'm not seeing it, though, especially after the Pirates beat Bellevue. This game is always exciting, though.
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Post by greenman on Sept 10, 2016 20:14:37 GMT -5
Bolts are still just too powerful. Nice that OH seems to be doing better this year already, though.
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