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Willard
Jan 22, 2018 15:14:50 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 22, 2018 15:14:50 GMT -5
What in the hell is that supposed to be about, anyway? Oh, I see, you think "we," meaning the collective of educators, coaches, and educator-coaches, somehow means I must be a coach. If you hadn't invaded this forum to post bullshit and pick fights, you might have been able to learn something, in particular where I'm coming from. I can't take time out to introduce myself and worldview to every new arrival, and it's especially difficult when said newbie is spouting nonsense and looking for a fight. I think you are responding to the wrong person. I was saying it was pretty obvious the baphoon was the one asking who the baphoon was. I was trying to respond to you by asking what is this (wyandot's new thing) was all about, hoping you knew lol. This was aimed at wyandot.
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Willard
Jan 22, 2018 13:53:20 GMT -5
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Post by greenman on Jan 22, 2018 13:53:20 GMT -5
What in the hell is that supposed to be about, anyway? Oh, I see, you think "we," meaning the collective of educators, coaches, and educator-coaches, somehow means I must be a coach. If you hadn't invaded this forum to post bullshit and pick fights, you might have been able to learn something, in particular where I'm coming from. I can't take time out to introduce myself and worldview to every new arrival, and it's especially difficult when said newbie is spouting nonsense and looking for a fight.
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Willard
Jan 22, 2018 12:11:25 GMT -5
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Post by greenman on Jan 22, 2018 12:11:25 GMT -5
Pops settle down, you are talking in circles. Yelling is a part of sports. Nobody said name calling is except that you think calling kids kneegrows happens in Willard daily, which it doesn't. Get a grip already cupcake. "Pops?" I dunno; wyandot's responses SCREAM "grammaw," at least from where I'm sitting. I can't imagine any man of a certain age carrying on as wyandot has. Of course, I've been wrong before about this sort of thing...
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Willard
Jan 22, 2018 12:05:44 GMT -5
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Post by greenman on Jan 22, 2018 12:05:44 GMT -5
calling kids names? I never read that but yelling happens in life, don't like it, don't play sports. theres a difference in yelling and calling kids f...kimg retards, nigg..rs fuc..ng idiots name calling has NO place in high school or any other level sport for that matter..these are kids...how would a coach/teacher feel if a student or parent for that matter called them names. everyone is entitled to their opinion but demeaning a kid by name calling is inappropriate We get called these and worse everyday by people who've acquired a high school education, the ability to breed, and very little between their ears since graduation. Your little grand-goons call their friends and their enemies these names everyday. You possess the critical thinking skills of a lobotomized baboon.
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Willard
Jan 22, 2018 11:53:37 GMT -5
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Post by greenman on Jan 22, 2018 11:53:37 GMT -5
Time and time again, I hear this term "verbal abuse" thrown around by these busybody helicopter parents. It's yelling, and it wouldn't need to be done if your kid would listen the first time around. Same with "grabbing kids by their shirts." Join the golf team, for chrissakes. this is the most appalling statement I have ever read on this forum..u stated you coached kids....you seem to believe that calling kids names is necessary because they don't "listen" the first time around and you also think that "grabbing kids by their shirts" is appropriate...OUTRAGEOUS....let me find out who you are because if you believe this is appropriate , I can promise this as a taxpayer and a concerned citizen if my grandchildren are EVER treated in this manner you will answer to the ODE...calling me names on this site is inappropriate and speaks highly of your demeanor. Quit your incessant clucking, you daft old biddy. Nowhere in this thread did I ever admit to being fool enough to accept a coaching job: reading comprehension is critical. Uneducated, low-class nutters like yourself are reason #1 I'd rather work retail as a second job than be a victim of a lynch mob led by boobs such as yourself. You came to this forum, you bitched about a nothing topic, you got rocked top to bottom by several people with some education. Sit your monkey-*** down. Cry some more.
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Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2018 23:55:22 GMT -5
greenman, the same parents think of teachers as nothing more than baby sitters for when they're at work. We're all THEIR employees, despite the fact that we pay taxes, too, and we're all overpaid. Does that mean we can pay ourselves less by paying a lower tax rate than the rest of y'all?
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Willard
Jan 21, 2018 23:53:20 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2018 23:53:20 GMT -5
Teachers shouldn't be hateful or mean to some kids. The operative word is "some". Why those specific "some"? Why not "all"? Undoubtedly they act like their parents and therefore get treated like their parents if they were in class. Like I said "genetics". It has been my experience that trouble maker kids were raised by trouble maker parents. Good kids are raised by good parents. This deserves zero response. This has to be the most ignorant thing i’ve read all day. Second.
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Willard
Jan 21, 2018 20:18:52 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2018 20:18:52 GMT -5
Seriously, that’s your response wyandot? What that tells me is you have no rational response to put together coherent words and make a solid argument. wyandot's been like that all day. Blocking that moron.
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Willard
Jan 21, 2018 20:17:52 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2018 20:17:52 GMT -5
You should talk. Though again, you seem like the type of idiot that believes that the schools should cater to your every uneducated whim - why not English grammar? You're an idiot, and I'm tired of civilly trying to explain to you why you're wrong and have an inflated sense of entitlement. You don't listen, you don't think critically, it's just "muh kid!" Seriously, if this is all you have, then just pack it in and go home. Your attempt to destroy the reputation of other people in your district is an all-day loser, much like, I'm guessing, yourself. I'm finished taking you to the cleaners.
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Willard
Jan 21, 2018 20:09:11 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2018 20:09:11 GMT -5
I never said it was effective. I'm saying that parents like you that freak out about nothing are ridiculous. And the "what would you do if it was your kid" deflection doesn't work on me. I'd need to hear the context and the story from the coach's perspective before I went into hysterics. If indeed I found that the coach crossed a line unreasonably, I'd sit down with my kid and the coach, and maybe get the admin involved (just as I assume happened in your situation). If it didn't change, my kid finds something better to do with his or her time. I always chuckle, too about the people who post on here believing their offspring would play save for community politics. That one never gets old, does it? Also ridiculous too is the assertion that a coach or a teacher is the most important role model in a student's life. That belongs to their parents. Like I said, each teacher/coach sees a student for maybe an hour or two each day. If a student is REALLY modelling their behavior off someone they are with for an hour a day, what the hell kind of home life do they have? "freak out about nothing" well all I can say to that is you don't know the situation and you are making assumptions and making a statement does not make a person hysterical.....I never said a teacher or a coach was the "most important person" in a kids life I did say that kids spend a great deal of time with teachers and coaches with can have both a positive or negative effect on a kid regardless of their home life. Its post like this that create problems because you are wanting to "blame me' for wanting to address issues. This is why Willard has problems...no one wants to FIX anything! lets go after the person who wants change..God forbid we change anything cause all is good Right? If you didn't say "teachers and coaches are a kid's most important role model," you definitely implied it. Home life is what molds a person, a child, a student. Their peers are with them more than teachers are. Their parents/guardians are with them more than teachers are. Relative to either one or both of those, teachers and coaches spend actually VERY little time with students, and here's something that might surprise you: we're too busy teaching and coaching 25+ kids besides your own, expounding upon and teaching content. Duh! I don't blame you for wanting to address issues, but I do blame you for not taking proportional parental responsibility. This is your fault, first and last, and yet here you are, indeed hysterical almost to the point of being incomprehensible, and passing the buck everywhere you can. You've been proven wrong, your logic has been blown to pieces, and everytime that happens, you dig a little deeper. First it's the coaches, then it's teachers not signing off on bogus "contracts" you idiots seem to think works for whatever reason - the whole idea of allowing someone who's proven ineligible to play to sign a little worthless piece of paper is laughable - , then it's a BoE conspiracy. You're a buffoon who's been allowed to breed, and with every post you prove it again and again. IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO FIX WHAT YOU BROKE. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE RAISING OF YOUR CROTCHFRUIT. YOU ARE WRONG. SIT DOWN AND GET RID OF YOUR ATTITUDE OF ENTITLEMENT - IT IS ENTIRELY UNDESERVED. QUIT BOTHERING BoE'S AND EVERYONE ELSE ABOUT SILLY, STUPID Poop THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED HAD YOU NOT DROPPED THE BALL AS A PARENT. QUIT TAGGING ME IN YOUR INCORRECT, INANE, PUNCTUATIONALLY-CHALLENGED SCREEDS.
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Willard
Jan 21, 2018 14:06:07 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2018 14:06:07 GMT -5
I don't believe the office can tell you WHY a kid left the district. They can only give you numbers. wyandot can't stop betraying themselves as both biased and wrong.
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Willard
Jan 21, 2018 14:05:26 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2018 14:05:26 GMT -5
So you're basically admitting that you pulled that number out of your *** nope learn how to read...it was in reference to how many left for bullying verses migrant as buckeyekid stated...call office they can confirm. You can't call the school office to "confirm" this. Either you spoke with the family, who's biased anyway, or this is hearsay.
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Willard
Jan 21, 2018 14:04:03 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2018 14:04:03 GMT -5
I read in the Norwalk paper this morning Norwalk won by about 20. It was gonna be a tough win --with-- Brock Baldridge and nearly impossible without him. If what I've read on here is accurate, that he quit the team instead of being In-eligible, the situation is pretty similar to a few years ago where Jordan Moore who also was tall and their leading rebounder and maybe #2 scorer who also quit the team about this same time. Both kids seemed to be good players who their teams' really needed,,,but were also in very Tough home situations. As a person who no longer has kids in HS, it breaks my heart to see this. You just wish you could help a kid like those two,,,who like Coach Haas used to say---"needs basketball more than basketball needs them". It's such a helpless feeling when you wanna see your Alma Mater be successful and we just can't seem to get out of this rut we are in with Boys sports. The Girls programs seem to be flourishing in numerous Sports which is Great! I don't have the answer, but I'm willing to help. I'll go to my grave helping the Student athletes at WHS be successful, because I know how it impacts the community at large in a Positive way. in order to fix a problem you have to first acknowledge that it exists...If you dig into willards administration and school board members you will find many imperfections. How do we change that? We hold them accountable we attend school board meetings and we bring to light in a public session so there is no denying a complaint has been made. every person in this world should have standards to follow no matter how rich or poor you are. if you don't follow standards there is a consequence. these people are paid with tax dollars so they work for the public. as our employees it takes us standing up to whatever is going on It goes way beyond sports! Oh God, not this. Now it's a Grand Conspiracy! Oh, look, this one's even got the "public school employees are OUR employees" fallacy in there, too! Public school employees are NOT "YOUR" employees just because you pay a pittance of a part of one's salary every year. That would mean that every taxpayer in Willard would have firing and hiring power over EACH individual employee. I could also argue that you are lousy bosses, as most of you 1.) have no idea - much less a formal education and credentials - how to do the jobs you seem to believe you hold over them, 2.) are by-and-large absentee, only coming into "work" when you want to complain on your offspring's behalf, regardless of the actual context of what it was that happened to them, and 3.) are a large collective of independent people trying to tell a smaller population how to do a job you don't know how to do. The old "1-servant-10-masters" problem. Willard's enrollment losses in the last decade largely mirror those of similar schools in the area with similar offerings. You were told harsh truth when you came here to moan about coaches acting like coaches around your Faberge Egg of a child, now it's "rot from the top down" conspiracy. For someone who's railing about "many imperfections" on a school board that's made up of fellow humans, I'd say you do a lot of stone-throwing from the comfort of your glass house. Just because they do something that makes you throw a hissy fit doesn't mean they're wrong.
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Willard
Jan 21, 2018 13:47:50 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 21, 2018 13:47:50 GMT -5
Time and time again, I hear this term "verbal abuse" thrown around by these busybody helicopter parents. It's yelling, and it wouldn't need to be done if your kid would listen the first time around. Same with "grabbing kids by their shirts." Join the golf team, for chrissakes. greenman ...let me just say this .you may feel that verbally assaulting a kid or grabbing them by the shirt is effective but your wrong. if you cant get a kid to listen its because he has zero respect for you as a coach...its people like you that are the reason this subject in the Willard schools never go away...denial.denial.denial and misguided values! look at area coaches who have "winning teams" coach haas may have yelled , he may have thrown a clip board or two to get their attention BUT he also praised and recognized them for their efforts..he sought out kids to play for him...he did NOT play kids because of who their parent was in the community, he played talent..he demanded they play as a team and he reprimanded anyone with an attitude because at that time there were tons of kids waiting to take a kid with an attitudes spot on the starting position. Now we simply look at the kid and say I don't know what to do with them...I cant deal with them because there are too many other issues...Make fun of people who want a better system..you are entitled to your opinion but it is just that an OPINION ! What would happen if someone did this to your kid? would you support the coach or your kid? If you support a coaches behavior and your kid responds with an attitude how can you blame them. They are following what they are being taught! I never said it was effective. I'm saying that parents like you that freak out about nothing are ridiculous. And the "what would you do if it was your kid" deflection doesn't work on me. I'd need to hear the context and the story from the coach's perspective before I went into hysterics. If indeed I found that the coach crossed a line unreasonably, I'd sit down with my kid and the coach, and maybe get the admin involved (just as I assume happened in your situation). If it didn't change, my kid finds something better to do with his or her time. I always chuckle, too about the people who post on here believing their offspring would play save for community politics. That one never gets old, does it? Also ridiculous too is the assertion that a coach or a teacher is the most important role model in a student's life. That belongs to their parents. Like I said, each teacher/coach sees a student for maybe an hour or two each day. If a student is REALLY modelling their behavior off someone they are with for an hour a day, what the hell kind of home life do they have?
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 23:02:30 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 23:02:30 GMT -5
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 23:00:14 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 23:00:14 GMT -5
wyandot such lame, tired, overused arguments. blame everyone in administration or the schoolboard for every problem a kid has. maybe the parents ARE the problem. maybe the kid was the problem, didn't want to study or do the work It isn't just willard where parents pull their kids, happens here too. Common theme is to blame everyone except yourself or your family. Got news for ya, that weak sauce doesn't world in the real world either. Schools are ran like the mafia these days, once you are in they protect you at any cost. Did you ever think some people on here trying to get this information out there, actually care about the kids? Pull the numbers and see how many kids have left this school year over year in the last 10 years and your head will spin. A great majority of these kids that have left are doing amazingly well at their new school, yep must have been 100% a parent issue. Hasn't Willard has spent many years now descending from a quiet farm town into a hub for the manufacture trade of illicit narcotics and an unofficial sanctuary town for illegal aliens? Like, another decade of the status quo will see Willard ready to rival Sandusky city in the mentioned drug areas? But clearly, it's the school culture that drives Willard citizens out of Willard schools.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 22:54:22 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 22:54:22 GMT -5
Willard has different/higher standards so what you are saying Willard has higher standards such as allowing coaches to publicly deface kids, grab kids by their shirts, chase refs into locker rooms and harass...etc etc....are those ok standards in your book? maybe we should stop overlooking the problems and start holding coaches kids parents and administration accountable...it starts from the top and filters to the bottom..why should kids behave when their "mentors" are not ? Time and time again, I hear this term "verbal abuse" thrown around by these busybody helicopter parents. It's yelling, and it wouldn't need to be done if your kid would listen the first time around. Same with "grabbing kids by their shirts." Join the golf team, for chrissakes.
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Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 19:09:49 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, are the parents accountable for "anything" ? Or is all on the teachers coaches and administration? I think the statement speaks for itself, hold people accountable. This means parents, teachers, admin and themselves. Everyone needs to be held accountable for their part in the education system and the parents play and enormous part in that as well. Follow the guidelines and hold all people accountable. Funny, because I've NEVER seen a school board come together with admin and teachers to hold district parents responsible for the little helions they've brought into the world. Kids deal with an individual teacher an hour a day, five days a week, anywhere from 1-4 years at a time. Parents somehow believe that they influence their children less than teachers, all while many students these days are bringing their parents' sometimes-raging contempt for public school teachers to class with them. Odd, huh?
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 19:05:50 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 19:05:50 GMT -5
...And who was publically "defacing" a kid? Did they use spray paint or toilet paper?
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 19:04:54 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 19:04:54 GMT -5
greenman his situation was he failed a class at the end of his junior year..the teacher refused to sign the contract for him to play football...parents spoke to administration and Jeff Ritz and Joe Crawford overroad the teachers decision. I agree with students not willing to challenge themselves but its these same students who will not meet the criteria it takes to pass a mandated class...so finding a solution is whats needed not forcing a kid to take a class just because you can. Ritz and Crawford should have told the parent, as politely as possible, to pound sand. Teachers and admin don't "make students take a class just because they can." It's done to give students greater opportunities down the road with such courses on their transcripts. It all, of course, depends on the student.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 14:43:47 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 14:43:47 GMT -5
greenman I agree 100% we are treating the symptoms and not the problem....we have no one in our administration or board who is willing to do whats right...I agree with having access to advanced topics...I was just saying it should not be forced..it should be an elective just as every other class is....maybe if brocs parents knew of the kid who Ritz went to bat for they could cry foul play and demand equal treatment. Okay, there's the thing, I was under the impression that it was the same student who did get to play in the fall despite being ineligible as it was now. It's not. That clears some things up. As to the "advanced topics be electives" argument, I disagree, as there will be a great host of students that will choose not to challenge themselves if that is the case. Also, I'm curious as to the context of the other student being allowed to play in the fall, i.e., what was his situation, as equal does not always equate with "fair."
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 12:26:35 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 12:26:35 GMT -5
greenman ...I agree with kids being challenged and the senior project can stay but should not be mandated....its an ego trip for those enforcing it...lets educate kids for reality...some reality will not be college so why cater to a select group...if a kid is failing it is evident over the course of 9 weeks not just one day...it has been a long standing rule that if you have a failing grade you are ineligible to play. it has been instated over the course of the last few years that the teacher has the right to sign a contract so the student can play...but administration also feels they can override the teachers decision...I agree the teachers are being made to be teenage sitters...so how do we fix it? we fix it by stepping up to these people..step out of our comfort zone. they are counting on people to not challenge them. I think we're in agreement, but I don't see why a Sr. proj. should only be the province of the college-bound. Just because you have chosen a career as an automotive technician doesn't mean you can't dabble in some advanced topic within the Humanities. That's exactly what I'm saying. If all we're doing is teaching the work-after-HS student population only what they need to know to be functioning in society, we're really not affording them the same opportunities - whether they believe they want them or not - as we are the kids who know they're college material. Also, (and again, maybe we're on the same page here) if an administrator can overrule the decision of a teacher regarding these special "contracts," (which shouldn't exist anyway), why bother even giving it to the teacher? No one with a functioning brain believes that the administration will go harder on a student than an actual teacher will. I've yet to meet an admin that wasn't a weak-kneed coward in the face of unreasonable, irate parental units - they're far too afraid of the PR and the (actually minimal) risk of losing their phony-baloney jobs to do what's righteous more often than not. I've never seen a district so deathly afraid of losing more students to open enrollment than Willard seems right now. It's not like they even have strong competition from their immediately-adjacent neighbors: Monroeville, SC, BC, and Plymouth! In rolling back the expectations of conduct, they're destroying what positive culture they had left, and that's what will drive enrollment down - and they're not alone among local SDs. It's like committing suicide to cure the disease.
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Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 11:06:32 GMT -5
Ya know, totally unrelated (or maybe not): I was older than I care to admit to this forum when I found out Norwalk had a second high school, one that WASN'T St. Paul. Then again, Mom was a Flyer.
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Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 11:04:03 GMT -5
I'm curious to know what this teacher coaches? MS Football Because of course he does. Sometimes these coach/teachers can be worse than the adolescents they're supposed to be modeling adult behavior for.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 11:00:54 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 11:00:54 GMT -5
greenman ....I agree that it doesn't matter whether its the senior project or a different class but I do disagree with the fact that a student was allowed to play a sport in the fall of his senior year because Jeff Ritz over road the fact that he failed A class and the teacher refused to sign a contract...it is blatant discrimination 1.) There is no reason a superintendent should be making classroom-level decisions that overrides a teacher holding a student accountable. 2.) Is one failed class enough to be considered ineligible @ Willard? If so, then it was this Jeff Ritz that did this student a disservice allowing him to "sign a contract" and play. Never heard of such a thing anywhere else. 3.) Teachers aren't required to sign a contract allowing a student to play in case of a failing grade, for what I hope are obvious reasons. The contract itself is ridiculous, and indicative of a lot of what's wrong with public schools today, especially in this area. Why not just call your teachers "teenager-sitters?" It's the same damn thing, and you could pay them less, like many seem to want to. 4.) "Blatant discrimination" based on what? Honestly, I can't quite tell what angle you're coming from - maybe I'm not arguing with you by this post, maybe I am. As for Sr. projects, this is another eye-roller for me. The ODE and the State have set the bar for our education standards ridiculously low, and I can't count how many parents I've met or read in comments here and elsewhere that are fanatical about having their child only do what's "mandated" by the state, i.e., the barest of bare minimums. God forbid an educator set in front of your child something academic and intellectual they can accomplish only by hard work and sacrifice, but "hard work" and "sacrifice" are things these same people will preach all day about when it happens on the court or the ball field.
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Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 10:34:48 GMT -5
Just to play devil's advocate for a second. If a "problem" student in your district is moving or transferring someplace else do you have any responsibility to warn them of potential problems? I can see the point about "destroying the kid's rep" before he gets there. But what about the kids and faculty at SC? Don't they deserve a heads up? Oh God, no. A single teacher at one school e-mailing another school's staff (or even just one teacher) is a river you don't approach, much less cross. If the receiver school wants to request official discipline documentation on a student from his or her former school, that's one thing, even though I'm not sure that's even kosher without the new school running into its own issues first. If true, such an email REEKS of desperation, is totally subjective to the teacher and therefore can't really be trusted (again, as opposed to official discipline documentation, if any exists on this student), and is totally mean-spirited and unnecessary. As for warning the students and faculty at SC, unless this student is a violent juvenile offender, I can't imagine a scenario where that isn't ridiculous overreaction. Like any other school, SC has its own policies and procedures dealing with student discipline. If warranted by the behavior of the new student, the district will implement them when they necessary, not before. A new school already on high alert over a new student before they arrive is destined to kill any chance of a successful relationship between student and school.
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Willard
Jan 20, 2018 10:18:37 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 10:18:37 GMT -5
But, since we've been told he's completed his Sr Prj. reqs...
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Post by greenman on Jan 20, 2018 10:15:51 GMT -5
Oh great, let’s dive deeper into a high school kids grades, courses he’s taking, personal life, anything else? Does he have a criminal record maybe we can talk about that too? Any speeding tickets? All I’m saying is if it were due to the Senior Project the kid deserves to be able to sign a contract to play because it is not a state mandated course for graduation. He is a great kid and for this to happen to him and the program in his senior year and the coaches first year is disheartening to see. It doesn't have to be a state-mandated course for him to fall ineligible for not completing it. The school district definitely has the right, granted to it by ODE, to add in its own graduation requirements. This looks like excuse-making and desperate deflection from a kid's laziness. It's still a course, still carries a grade, no different than electives.
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Willard
Jan 19, 2018 23:08:24 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 19, 2018 23:08:24 GMT -5
It's official after tonight! Broc baldridge knowing he was gonna be ineligible quit the team and the flashes lost big to port Clinton! Will not win again thsi year Grades? Sorry, haven't been following.
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Post by greenman on Jan 19, 2018 20:50:33 GMT -5
Usually when this process has went this long, it may mean they have went cold on the top candidate for some reason. and have to regroup to plan B or as was the case the last time they were doing this, plan C. may be a hold up in finding a open teaching job? I'm not sure. But my guess is that they are in plan B mode. And you may not be getting the guy, or guys that were the top choices. That, or some chickens are already starting to come home to roost.
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