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Post by greenman on Jan 19, 2018 20:49:00 GMT -5
I don't remember the exact score, but the Western - M'ville score was a difference of about 60 pts. Most fairly officiated game I've ever watched in the gym @ Collins. 85-25 was the final.... 29-0 before monroeville scored. Also can anyone confirm that mville coach didnt show up to the game??? Sat 3 benches behind team, saw that. The principal was there, and told me that he's ill. I'm sure that's the truth, but in the back of mind I remember how J. Diebler was told to step away with only three games left that season.
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Post by greenman on Jan 18, 2018 21:39:35 GMT -5
I don't remember the exact score, but the Western - M'ville score was a difference of about 60 pts. Most fairly officiated game I've ever watched in the gym @ Collins.
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Norwalk
Jan 18, 2018 21:37:26 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 18, 2018 21:37:26 GMT -5
I'd just assume let the subject go away and focus on getting a new coach hired, but I'll just toss out a few losses vs Willard as exhibit 1. I think this was meant as a reply to me, so I'll bite: That's not really answering any of the questions I asked, but simply doubling down and asking me to assume it's an answer. There's no guidepost telling me how you decided what games Norwalk should have one, just opinion. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that a loss here and there to a Willard team in this day and age is bad - I'm just saying the statement "they only won the games they should have and didn't win the ones they shouldn't have" is just a hollow opinion until you can provide at least some kind of rubric that guided you to your conclusion. Are other teams not allowed to upset Norwalk? If Norwalk wins more times than loses in games where they "shouldn't win," do these games start being games they "should win?" How often? It seems completely subjective, and people act as if it's NOT RIDICULOUS to decide any man's job (whether it's his CAREER or not) under the guidance of the old farts who sit in the local doughnut shop for three hours just to ***** and moan about nothing between bites of jelly-filleds.
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Norwalk
Jan 18, 2018 5:43:21 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 18, 2018 5:43:21 GMT -5
The whole "show me a game they won that they shouldn't have" is less an argument and more a logical fallacy. Do you mean "how many times did they score an upset?" Lots of teams go decades w/out doing that while still winning consistently. What's the basis of deciding who they should beat? Enrollment difference? Weekly predictions of the staff of a garbage newspaper?
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Norwalk
Jan 17, 2018 1:37:37 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 17, 2018 1:37:37 GMT -5
Honestly, too, this can get tiring to read time after time. I certainly hope that the truth in this case, whatever it is, is laid bare. The thing is, if Gray did what he's accused of doing, there's procedure and a clear path for the school to take that will make sure he will either never work in schools again, or have a VERY difficult time finding work therein.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Hasn't coach Gray retired and is now receiving his pension? He's still coaching because he loves it. He doesn't need the hassle. Maybe the people going after him know this and thus figure it will be easier to run him off. I didn't even know he ever was a teacher. When I said "work in the schools," I was speaking about his opportunities solely as a coach.
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Norwalk
Jan 14, 2018 0:52:36 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 14, 2018 0:52:36 GMT -5
None of this surprises me. A mother is dead-set on ruining a man's reputation and livelihood because she failed to raise a child with the moral fiber to follow a few reasonable rules of civilized society. Without meeting any kind of burden of proof that these allegations are true, an army flocks to her side. green, if this were to be truly exposed it may be discovered that this is not a mother's quest. It quite possibly could be driven by a BOE member pushing others to become vocal in an attempt to remove a coach. There is history that would support this BOE member being connected to numerous attempts to give this coach an early exit. Ya know, now that I think back on it, isn't that usually how it goes, rather? At least the ones I'm familiar with, anyway. Zac Reer @ Monroeville, some years ago, comes to mind everytime this phenomenon re-enters the local news cycle.
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Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 21:07:18 GMT -5
Coming back from winter break, I learned from the kids that you're right about this. From what I heard, they'll likely jump ship for Norwalk as soon as wrestling's over. Greenman, if your right about this than Norwalk is getting 2 very good players for football. I coached the oldest and tallest one in football for the Jr.Truckers and he can be a beast to handle. He will open some big holes on that line. It seems that this will be the case. Sophs @ M'ville pretty much confirmed that the two had been talking about it before Christmas break. They say they'll likely wait until the end of wrestling season, which I'm sure thrilled Coach Tommas, besides everyone else.
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Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 21:04:38 GMT -5
They are in a conference full of average and below average d6 and 7 teams. They don't need anymore than that if they are decent athletes. ...but St. Paul's does go out and play schools on their OOC teams like Huron, Elyria Catholic and other teams that are bigger and usually stronger with more kids... I've wanted a reason to be less impressed by NSP the last two years. Couldn't find it. They last played Huron in 2015, and ended up having dropped 5 straight to the Tigers, after winning the first 3 rounds. As for EC, I don't know for sure when they started playing, but Flyers beat them last in '04 and dropped the next three until SP picked up Huron. The problem at NSP is that they're back in their comfort zone w/ SMCC, SJCC, and Calvert. Out of the three, I believe that only one of these programs will ever pick up a win over NSP again, at least until JL retires, if not EVER AGAIN. In the FC, Flyers are giants among gerbils.
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Norwalk
Jan 13, 2018 20:20:55 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 20:20:55 GMT -5
This. Subjective language abounds, very open to interpretation, and not codified in ORC. Also, just because you want him terminated doesn't mean that what he did is a terminable offense. This is all assuming, of course, that he's even actually guilty to begin with. Greenman, If you looked back at any of my posts, you will not, I REPEAT NOT, find anything about that I want to FIRE Coach Grey. I really like what he has done for our program and I think he is a very fine person. Stop trying to put words in mine and other peoples mouth or someday you might learn to regret it. Those codes of conduct are fine as they are written and are meant to be use as some sort of guild lines for the teachers and staff. That is all they are and if I remember right they are suppose to be sign by them, but do not quote me on that. King thank you for explaining it a little better and Dude you are right if every thing that is done like that we need a bigger ODE, but I think that if something would happen it will and should go through the steps first, I.E. the principle, the school board and so on and so on, and it could be rejected or advance any further. Just like our court system. Anyway that's the way I see it and Greenman, I do not want Coach Grey terminated. I know that. I mean the CoE is filled w/ subjective lang., and is not law. Agree with you. Galion is also correct in his assessment. I guess my greatest problem with this is how it's being handled. It seems that the accuser, telling the truth or not, is less concerned with justice through due process than she is with getting her way, right or wrong. It's the old "I'm a taxpayer, I pay your salary, and I'm your boss" chestnut; a single taxpayer pays a portion of one person's salary in the school district, if you want to look at it that way. There's "being held to a higher standard as a teacher" and then there's "being denied due process because reasons," and it seems that for all the protections the public seems to think school employees have - and teachers do have some in their educator capacity, certainly - it's open season on coaches, and parents have figured that out. Seriously, parents, if you want to dictate a school's hiring choices, at least pay private school price. Honestly, too, this can get tiring to read time after time. I certainly hope that the truth in this case, whatever it is, is laid bare. The thing is, if Gray did what he's accused of doing, there's procedure and a clear path for the school to take that will make sure he will either never work in schools again, or have a VERY difficult time finding work therein. If the parents/kids are caught lying or exaggerating about Coach Gray, what happens to them? Likely nothing, unless Gray wants to pursue damages for defamation of character/libel/what-have-you. Is he a man that can afford to do so? Will Gray deal with more of the same, or even worse, from the peanut gallery once it comes out he's seeking damages from a student's family, because those same people didn't believe in due process? Even that wouldn't be a slam-dunk necessarily. If it's found that Gray didn't do these things, or if it was found to be greatly exaggerated, will the BoE even care, likely being more worried about optics and PR than justice? He's already lost. Greenman out.
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Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 11:09:45 GMT -5
From what I have heard I'm not sure the Leroux brothers will be at Monroeville next year. Coming back from winter break, I learned from the kids that you're right about this. From what I heard, they'll likely jump ship for Norwalk as soon as wrestling's over.
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Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 11:07:36 GMT -5
St. Paul played 7 offensive linemen this year and 5 weighed between 165 and 185 pounds. Zero division one players in the last 40 years. They must not be real good at picking the. They are in a conference full of average and below average d6 and 7 teams. They don't need anymore than that if they are decent athletes. Even including "average" when describing most of the FC is a little generous.
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Norwalk
Jan 13, 2018 11:05:41 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 11:05:41 GMT -5
king, to be fair the comments were stating a law and when asked for proof, Snowflake provided a code of conduct. The response then was, this was not a thing, understood to mean the code is not a law. Also, the code is a "big deal" only if the school administration says it is. Some use it as more of a guide and not rules of operation. If every teacher or coach who moved a kid into position on the court, in the classroom or in a hallway, would go in front of ODE for discipline the ODE would need to triple in size. Exactly - "Code of Conduct" I obviously know about - good call, king - but if king were indeed paying attention, we were told constantly that Gray was violating some "law." The Code of Conduct as law IS. NOT. A. THING. There's enough subjective language in there, too, if you read it, that gives that away. Teachers generally don't need to touch students in their capacity as teachers, or outside school; kids that try to high-five me have ALWAYS been left hanging. Just how I prefer to do things. None of this surprises me. A mother is dead-set on ruining a man's reputation and livelihood because she failed to raise a child with the moral fiber to follow a few reasonable rules of civilized society. Without meeting any kind of burden of proof that these allegations are true, an army flocks to her side.
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Norwalk
Jan 13, 2018 2:33:31 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 13, 2018 2:33:31 GMT -5
kingmartinez, Those I do believe are just codes of conduct and not really any laws at all... This. Subjective language abounds, very open to interpretation, and not codified in ORC. Also, just because you want him terminated doesn't mean that what he did is a terminable offense. This is all assuming, of course, that he's even actually guilty to begin with.
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Norwalk
Jan 11, 2018 1:19:58 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 11, 2018 1:19:58 GMT -5
Everyone saying it's a law, please post this law? Conduct unbecoming in the Code of Ethics Education Standards. Educator here. This isn't a thing. Throwing jargon words together and hoping they stick is kind of lazy. Thanks for playing.
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Norwalk
Jan 10, 2018 12:29:59 GMT -5
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Post by greenman on Jan 10, 2018 12:29:59 GMT -5
I think most people are missing the point here. I do not know coach Gray or this parent but what I can tell you is we cannot look to past actions and apply them to today's situations. The laws have changed and so have the parent's input and responsibilities. Soft has nothing to do with most of these situations, it is against the law to place your hands on someone out of anger. There is no difference if a teacher grabs a kid and jerks him or her out of the seat out of anger. Why the anger, does it get results, rarely in this day and age. Companies push harassment and tolerance in the work place and the school system should be held to the same standard, my believe is actually higher than the standard, they are educating our kids after all. School should be a safe haven and for a coach or teacher to get angry to a point where they have to act out physically, try that in the work place and see what happens. We talk about teaching kids lessons, how about patience. We talk about teaching kids things that they can take into adulthood, screaming and yelling is the lesson to be taught? You can say what you want but it takes a brave parent to step up like this, after all it is her right to voice her opinion. For the school board to blow her off and act like she is being bothersome, they need to remember who voted them in and the can be voted out. SNOWFLAKE ALERT!!! It sounds to me that, once again, the accusing parties have failed to do any homework in regards to the laws in place, haven't documented any specific incidents prior to this, and have either never spoken w/ coach/AD/Admin., or if they HAVE, went in pitching a fit while assuming Johnny's account must be Gospel, and refusing to listen when the other side tried to speak its blarney.
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Post by greenman on Jan 10, 2018 12:23:01 GMT -5
Couldn't be more true. Me. Me. Me or my kid. My kid. My kid. Haters gonna hate. This Yep, and it's been true long before now. These types of people are just easier to spot, exposing themselves by taking advantage of students' new-found inter-district mobility to satisfy this urge, rather than because academics or culture would serve them better as people.
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Post by greenman on Jan 10, 2018 12:17:22 GMT -5
Plymouth played St Pete last night and kept it close for most of the game which was a little surprise. St Pete pulled away at the end but good for plymouth for playing them tough. St Paul beat St Joe by 13 and Mville got beat by Lakota. Friday night its Crestview @ Mville -could be interesting but think Crestview should pull it off New London @ Plymouth - This one might end up closer than it should, Adams kid from plymouth is a good player and if he gets hot watch out St Paul @ Mapleton- St Paul should win this one Western @ SC- Game of the week and the winner will gain alot of confidence going forward Crestview will be able to sleep through this one. Tied @ half, Eagles couldn't get it done hosting prev. 1-8 Lakota. Stick a fork in the Eagles' season; it's done.
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Norwalk
Jan 10, 2018 12:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by greenman on Jan 10, 2018 12:09:12 GMT -5
Thankfully Bob Haas coached in the 20th Century or snowflakes like Mary would have called him a bully. I think most people are missing the point here. I do not know coach Gray or this parent but what I can tell you is we cannot look to past actions and apply them to today's situations. The laws have changed and so have the parent's input and responsibilities. Soft has nothing to do with most of these situations, it is against the law to place your hands on someone out of anger. There is no difference if a teacher grabs a kid and jerks him or her out of the seat out of anger. Why the anger, does it get results, rarely in this day and age. Companies push harassment and tolerance in the work place and the school system should be held to the same standard, my believe is actually higher than the standard, they are educating our kids after all. School should be a safe haven and for a coach or teacher to get angry to a point where they have to act out physically, try that in the work place and see what happens. We talk about teaching kids lessons, how about patience. We talk about teaching kids things that they can take into adulthood, screaming and yelling is the lesson to be taught? You can say what you want but it takes a brave parent to step up like this, after all it is her right to voice her opinion. For the school board to blow her off and act like she is being bothersome, they need to remember who voted them in and the can be voted out. Ah, the ol' "we're the boss, we pay your salary" chestnut. Never gets old. Wait, I tell a lie, I meant it gets old real fast. Just because you vote doesn't mean you're right. Can you prove that the coach physically touched someone, i.e., corroboration by credible witnesses, surveillance footage? Can you cite one of those "new laws" you speak of? Gray might have been upset, and may have grabbed a player by the jersey to move him into position, doing so a little harder perhaps than said porcelain-doll player is used to. Unnecessary if lil' Johnny had his mind on the task at hand instead of on lil' Suzy Shortskirts' short skirts. That's as far as it went - guaranteed for someone like Gray. He's just not that kind of man. Parents and their "athletes" have found their Gden Dagger for coaches' backs - accuse them of "verbal abuse!" Absolute rubbish. I'm also loving how every time this happens, some parent worms out the "My son finally quit/was pulled off the team!" Who the hell cares? We've been trying to tell you for some time now: you're not as special as you have been led to believe.
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Norwalk
Jan 10, 2018 6:39:29 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Jan 10, 2018 6:39:29 GMT -5
More nonsense from the Age of Entitlements. Honestly, especially in Huron Co., I don't know why coaches even bother anymore. If you cobbled together the most talented players from each school in the county to make a Dream Team, they wouldn't go far enough to be worth the hassle the parents create - they actually stand out as a county in this area. Nobody helicopters like Huron Co. parents. Seriously, this is becoming like the Roman Empire in the 3rd cent. AD; the new head man comes to power with a knife already in his back, just to save time.
Honestly, there are one or two programs in the area that I'd like to see have so much trouble finding a willing coach/coaching staff that they had to suspend a season of play. Sadly, since nearly every educator (especially the men) are out trying to score coaching gigs (and some are in the educ. profession just for THAT) it's not happening. Even if it did, with Open Enrollment unfettered in the area, Little Johnny and family would just go and poison some other program.
Perhaps a better solution: have a parent accept the HC job, and their predecessors can be at every practice, game, and board mtg. to ensure that these parent-coaches are living up to the same standard they demand of everyone else. (Hell, that'd be a great idea for INSIDE the classroom, too!)
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Post by greenman on Jan 5, 2018 22:03:04 GMT -5
Monroeville gets off to a respectable Q1, then fall flat @ home vs. Plymouth. 62-44. Messy game all around.
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Post by greenman on Dec 17, 2017 22:57:34 GMT -5
Was hopeful @ SMCC as I saw M'ville open up the season in 1Q. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. They were blown away by Open Door Christian in Elyria. This might be Mielcarek's last year, barring only a miracle; the only thing that remains to be seen is if he'll be shown the door, or walk out on his own.
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Post by greenman on Dec 17, 2017 22:52:29 GMT -5
Hey guys. Long time reader. I figured I would finally sign up and try to contribute. My nephew plays at Margaretta and I have some other connections there too. He told me Frias was removed from team by coaches for off-court issues. I do know he failed a drug test last year but this must have been something other than that. I do not have specific details but props to them for “cleaning” things up with the basketball team. Appreciate the intel. Wasn't he a big part of this years FB team as well?
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Post by greenman on Dec 17, 2017 20:54:20 GMT -5
Didn't hear what happened to Frias.
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Post by greenman on Dec 14, 2017 22:36:18 GMT -5
Firelands isn't going anywhere but with the other seven schools they intend to form a new league with. This didn't happen overnight. Surprisingly, it's news to everyone (including me) now though. Curious if everyone dotted their i's and crossed their t's. If not, the superintendents and boards of education may halt AD's and/or principal's hopes. It's different at each school. If all comes to fruition, I would think Vermilion was in the loop based solely on their AD and Firelands AD being brothers. That's not to say there was traction from any schools about them joining or them even being interested although I have always believed that's the group they wanted to join. Maybe a 10 teamer down the road with Vermilion and Edison or Huron? Doubtful but thought I'd throw that out there. Edison a distant possibility, but I think Huron is dug too deep in SBC history to leave, at least in the near future. Also, I get the feeling that that the Milan contingent of the Edison family has a little bit more pull than their Berlin Hts. sibling, and I'm thinking the Milan contingent wants to stay where it is.
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Post by greenman on Dec 14, 2017 22:26:46 GMT -5
Chapin defended by Ontario's 6-4 Soph was 6-2-3-0 with 2 jack wagons. You must drag a tape measure to every game ... in the years you’ve posted on these sites I have never seen a more height obsessed person. Did this young man have a name or varsity experience?? Or he just forces Jack wagons??? I wonder how well these guys would do if they didn't have to pull these jack wagons around.
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Post by greenman on Dec 11, 2017 13:25:05 GMT -5
From what I have heard I'm not sure the Leroux brothers will be at Monroeville next year. SP lost some talented Seniors, and will have to break in a new QB, but the cupboard is definitely not bare. Leroux boys have always seemed to me to be pretty normal, steadfast Eagles. Have them in class most days - but again, I could be wrong.
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Post by greenman on Dec 11, 2017 13:23:19 GMT -5
You ended your post with “not good”, did you mean not good as in the loss wasn’t good or not good that a freshman only scored 6 points in a varsity game? Both on some level especially if he is the best the area offers as indicated. Chapin put up 14-4-4-3 (pts,rb,jack wagon,blk) in Norwalk’s loss He put up four jack wagons?! Yee Haw!
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Scores
Dec 1, 2017 22:34:35 GMT -5
Post by greenman on Dec 1, 2017 22:34:35 GMT -5
Huron 10 ?, Oak Harbor won by 84 ?, And Sandusky by 72 !, OMG. Guess they should not wait for this seasons tournament to use that new running clock rule, Need to start doing it now. Jones Leadership Acad. was destroyed by little Monroeville last year. It's a TPS Magnet in only its second year of offering varsity athletics, and has not yet had a graduating senior class.
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Post by greenman on Nov 30, 2017 11:10:48 GMT -5
"He is a terrible teacher and terrible coach. The department must have finally looked at all the complains against him."
One of two comments so far @ NR article. Anything to this? The commenter called themself "Student," fwiw.
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Post by greenman on Nov 29, 2017 21:24:32 GMT -5
Mentor WW T-W Steubenville Eastwood Marion Minster
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