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Post by crimsonblooded on May 24, 2021 20:49:15 GMT -5
If Oak Harbor is out does that mean Lakota to the Bay?
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May 22, 2021 17:36:00 GMT -5
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 22, 2021 17:36:00 GMT -5
At this rate of No votes I’m going to personally pull the Willard application for the N10. This is going to be made strictly on the wrestling conference tournament. Sorry N10 but Willard is out!
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 21, 2021 8:18:24 GMT -5
Why would they have to convince Port Clinton and Vermilion to join the Lake? Willard doesn’t think it works that way. To bad Willard can't just get in the firelands conference. Yeah especially that it sounds like the bay and river divisions may be growing northwest. I’m personally good with SBC wrestling but I know the football climate in Willard. But in all seriousness why would the SBC worry about who falls where in the future growth of the conference. Maybe the SBC makes another mid size division based on location for football with some crossover games with the bay.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 21, 2021 7:16:09 GMT -5
So who’s the next smallest NBC school that won’t want to get kicked around by the bigger NBC schools? The next five in terms of size are pretty even. If the rumors surrounding BG are true, and BG comes aboard, I could see some of them leaving. I find it difficult to believe Northwood would want to run into that buzzsaw if the TAAC holds together. The 2020 competively balanced enrollments look like this: 141 Woodmore (gone) 175 Elmwood (gone) 189 Otsego 192 Genoa 193 Lake 200 Eastwood 207 Fostoria 242 Rossford 285 Maumee (incoming) 162 Northwood (rumored) 362 Bowling Green (rumored) Hell, if BG came in and everybody got porky, the SBC could pick up Genoa, Lake, Eastwood, and Fostoria. With Woodmore jumping in and SMCC coming back, that could result in the fabled 8-8-8 if they could convince PC and Vermilion to bump up into the Lake. Those divisions would be VERY well balanced in terms of enrollment. And OH would have dat dere dreamy schedule. Why would they have to convince Port Clinton and Vermilion to join the Lake? Willard doesn’t think it works that way.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 14, 2021 9:06:14 GMT -5
Well like I said Im not an insider but something to do with voting one time and off to the side dealings the next. But I don’t know enough. I know Margaretta switched with Lakota. Some other things I don’t know enough to comment on. But regardless how I feel Willard wants out. They may go 0-10 again regardless where they go. Football isn’t a sport my kids participate in. I care more about my kids sports and was wondering if N10 was going to be a destination if it was possible to build those up in the N10. Wrestling is one tournament and what’s the problem with affiliate teams showing up. I think it’s the easiest thing in the world and no difficulty at all. Besides N10 has two schools that don’t have the program so why not have affiliate programs at least. Also you would of had 4 tennis programs, why not recognize if they did join and have a home and home conference and title. But yes Willard is gonna be in the Bay in football and I don’t think it’s gonna change. So they will always be looking
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 14, 2021 6:40:27 GMT -5
Vermilion is in the Lake, but Bay for football only and Margaretta is in the Bay but River for football only. Willard has been in the River for football only before but now they are in the Bay for all sports.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 14, 2021 5:14:24 GMT -5
Oh 100%, Willard would join the Firelands in a heartbeat. And it’s all about Football. The SBC is a great conference for as many sports Willard has but they are not competitive in Football. If they were in the River for football and Bay for all else they wouldn’t be looking!That makes me wonder...If similar accommodations can be made for Margaretta and Vermilion in certain sports, then why couldn't the same be made for Willard? Yeah I’m just a parent and not on the inside but I think from the Willard perspective you just uncovered a big point that might be the fuel on the fire that’s driving the train out of the station.
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FC vs N10
May 13, 2021 11:23:17 GMT -5
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 13, 2021 11:23:17 GMT -5
At this point it is what it is. I am puzzled as well, I’m not in those insider conversations. The feed back I get is a desperation to rectify football. It may be on the endangered list at the rate it’s going. I think they feel good about this last coach hire. They put in a turf field now they are switching home and visitor bleachers. Building new bleachers on that side to now to be the home side. So they are gonna do whatever they feel they can to keep football. To be fair, they do offer a lot of sports for a school their size which is better than not offering them at all. Though division 5 in football in all reality they would be division 6. As the muck produce farms have a lot of migrant workers that get counted for enrollment in April and are not really there in the fall and winter. Not every year but a lot of years they would be a division smaller. I just knew they wanted the N10 and with that I know SBC wrestling is a roaring Lion and N10 wrestling is more like crickets. I would just like to see better competition. But like I said doesn’t look like it’s gonna happen. I have a daughter in tennis too which is another one they wouldn’t have a conference. Also thank you about my son.
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May 13, 2021 10:25:09 GMT -5
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 13, 2021 10:25:09 GMT -5
I'm not much of a wrestling fan and don't understand a lot about how a meet works. I don't see a problem setting up some kind of invitational for N10 and FC teams if the interest is there. I wouldn't be in favor of jumping through all the hoops necessary to call it some kind of "league" though. Oh, and going forward, there are only 6 N10 schools that will have wrestling. Well it doesn’t look like my seventh grade wrestler from Willard will end up in this conference. Seems like Willard and Marion Pleasant will be rejected. The SBC is a great conference for wrestling but the N10 is just too small for a conference tournament. Especially with Ridgedale leaving and Wynford and Colonel Crawford not having wrestling. So in all reality I hope Willard stays in the SBC as it will be better for a lot of sports and hopefully Willard Football can get a little more competitive where they could be satisfied in the Bay division. As far as a conference tournament. It’s just one tournament and you could have both at the same time for the two separate conferences with one extra round. It could be done as an all star match. N-10 champ vs FC champ which I think would create some buzz for that round. Then runner ups could wrestle for 3rd while the 3rd placers could also wrestle for an overall 5th place to get some more quality matches. I’ve seen N10 guys go 0-1 in times past to finish 2nd. That just not a good competitive conference tournament. But it doesn’t look like Willard will be in the N10. It is puzzling to me though it seems the majority don’t want this. If I was an N-10 wrestling coach I would try and get at least the Mid Buckeye Conference in as affiliates. Loudonville and Lucas and if they have any others with wrestling. Historically the NCC schools never were a wrestling conference of schools.
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FC vs N10
May 13, 2021 8:10:17 GMT -5
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 13, 2021 8:10:17 GMT -5
Breaking down the N-10’s 60 wrestlers
10 only wrestled one match 31 only wrestled two matches and out of the 31 only 7 of those were beat twice. So seven would have been eliminated no matter how big the bracket but 24 would still be alive to wrestle at least a third match. 15 wrestled 3 matches and the minority was eliminated with the majority still alive for a possible 4th match. Then the last 4 wrestlers got four matches and is at least what you want for a (2 point scheduling) tournament. For those of you who don’t know you get “20 points” for scheduling. A one day tournament being 2 pts while a dual would be half a point and a tri dual would be one point. Only four guys broke even with four matches compared to duals which come out to a half a point for a match.
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FC vs N10
May 13, 2021 7:37:57 GMT -5
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 13, 2021 7:37:57 GMT -5
By comparison
N10 = 7 schools = 60 wrestlers FC = 8 schools = 62
SBC = 18 schools = 190 wrestlers Lake 7 schools 87 wrestlers Bay 6 schools 64 wrestlers River 5 schools 39 wrestlers
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FC vs N10
May 13, 2021 7:19:41 GMT -5
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 13, 2021 7:19:41 GMT -5
N10 Weight FC 3 106 4 2 113 4 3 120 5 3 126 4 5 132 5 3 138 5 5 145 5 5 152 4 6 160 5 4 170 5 4 182 5 6 195 4 5 220 4 6 285 3
These are the participants in each weight class
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 12, 2021 10:56:30 GMT -5
Todd Fox 🦊
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 12, 2021 9:47:25 GMT -5
Vote results aside, the fact that this conversation is going on shows the level of disinterest both Pleasant and Willard have with their current league locations. This will continue until something does change. If both schools are seriously unhappy they will continue to look for a better option. Oh 100%, Willard would join the Firelands in a heartbeat. And it’s all about Football. The SBC is a great conference for as many sports Willard has but they are not competitive in Football. If they were in the River for football and Bay for all else they wouldn’t be looking!
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 12, 2021 7:20:12 GMT -5
With a 10-1 vote on this forum the N10 is here by bound by this determination. Willard and Marion Pleasant will not be received into the said conference at this time. Galion and Ontario may now petition this forum panel for reconsideration back into the N10. Thank you, Self nominated President and King Crimson Blooded 🩸
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FC vs N10
May 12, 2021 7:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 12, 2021 7:13:42 GMT -5
Why not combine these leagues for wrestling. From what I hear there has been talk but resistance mostly from some of the Firelands Conference coaches. To win either one of these conferences is pretty much a numbers games because most are lacking just that. Several ways to go about it.1) Recognize as one conference 2) Like the SBC have your individual bracket champions but two team titles. 3) one half the bracket Firelands conference done just like now and the other half the same for the N10 with the conference battle finals round. FC champs vs. N10 champs and the runner ups on second mat for 3rd!
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MOAC 2021
May 10, 2021 15:46:18 GMT -5
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 10, 2021 15:46:18 GMT -5
from what I understand, this travel component, is why Pleasant specifically and also likely willard will not be admitted into the league They'd rather have Galion and Ontario back? From a competitive stand point are there 2 closer schools than Willard and Pleasant? Really, the two teams they forced out! Well that’s justice if true
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 9, 2021 17:10:48 GMT -5
Finally a yes vote, so optimistic
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 9, 2021 16:33:29 GMT -5
Ridgedale didn’t play a varsity football schedule. So Willard would of made it nine for football. The response Willard got was that they needed two. That is why Marion Pleasant contacted Willard and they both are applying. So either they are good with eight or now that they have two they can go back to ten. We shall see traditionally Pleasant is as good as any sbc bay school... Wynford is about as good as any bay school, seneca east is about as good as any bay school , so with that in mind they could get running clock in 1/2 of those conference games as well.. Basketball wise Willard fits anywhere boys and girls.. No doubt Willard will lose games but Willard can win games in the N10, they are not going to win games in the bay. But that’s is really not my point. My point is will Willard get in. They are wanting to get in beside what I feel about it. I personally think the SBC is a great league to be in. But it is all about football. If N10 doesn’t take Pleasant and Willard then it will probably be 8 for a long time. SBC is a better fit for Willard besides Football. I’m good with that but the question at this point is will N10 take them? Willard is already committed to join N10 your feelings or point on Willard is irrelevant. They are wanting to join the N10 it is now up to the N10 to decide.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 9, 2021 8:26:52 GMT -5
The name change to the “Perfect 8 Conference” isn’t necessarily free. But that is the question, will they stay at eight or go back to the original ten. Is ten the goal? We will find out in June possibly. I for one am good in the SBC. But I’m thinking about other sports rather than Football. Leagues are built and destroyed over Football! So we will see Crestline left the N10 after the 2014-2015 school year. They've been at 9 since then. If 10 was the goal, they could have signed up Willard a long time ago. I think there was thought by some that Ridgedale would not be far behind Crestline, which has come true. Now they are at 8, which I believe is where they want to be. Ridgedale didn’t play a varsity football schedule. So Willard would of made it nine for football. The response Willard got was that they needed two. That is why Marion Pleasant contacted Willard and they both are applying. So either they are good with eight or now that they have two they can go back to ten. We shall see
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 9, 2021 7:14:37 GMT -5
At least "Ross to the SBC" comments can stop now. I’m pretty sure Fremont won’t be available as they will more than likely be joining the Lake Division in the Sandusky Bay Conference 😁
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 9, 2021 6:57:56 GMT -5
What will be the N10s decision in June for expansion with Willard and Marion Pleasant?
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 9, 2021 4:43:38 GMT -5
The name change to the “Perfect 8 Conference” isn’t necessarily free. But that is the question, will they stay at eight or go back to the original ten. Is ten the goal? We will find out in June possibly. I for one am good in the SBC. But I’m thinking about other sports rather than Football. Leagues are built and destroyed over Football! So we will see
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 8, 2021 21:00:41 GMT -5
Does anybody know what current schools have tennis and/or soccer in the N10?
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 8, 2021 20:32:51 GMT -5
There's talk on the MOAC football forum that in June a vote will be taken by the N-10 on whether or not to admit a package deal of Willard and Pleasant to take the league from 8 to 10. Any rumblings of this in Willard? Rumblings? I’m sure there will be some. Is it true? Yes
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 8, 2021 18:16:59 GMT -5
If the N10 takes Willard and Pleasant then Willard is gone. I think it is more of a question if the N10 takes them. Willard is desperate to salvage their football program. The question of Oak Harbor leaving just gives Willard more reason to leave. I think the River will end up being it’s own conference and the Lake moving on with what Bay division is left as its own conference. I think it would be good for wrestling for the two to stay together but these moves are not done for wrestling. Nor are they done for swimming, Tennis or Bowling. In June we will hear not gonna happen or it will drag out some more. I think more than likely it won’t happen. But if the N10 says yes then Willard is gone.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Mar 31, 2021 18:13:07 GMT -5
I think Fremont Ross coming in is only if Oak Harbor was to leave. Then they join the Lake with Perkins or Bellevue going to the Bay. If Oak Harbor stays then no movement.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Mar 27, 2021 21:35:44 GMT -5
I think it has been more Clyde and Perkins. I don’t think Bellevue is afraid of Ross. Bellevue isn’t afraid of anybody and I thought about mentioning that but I thought it was well understood. My bad! I respectfully disagree.... The Bellevue and Clyde AD's run that league and I've heard many times over the years that Bellevue is against Ross because they think they are too big. Technically by the numbers they are bigger, but the fact that Sandusky and Tiffin have competed and often beat Ross for many many years, I'm just not sure what they are really afraid of? Surely location wise Fremont is a great fit. Bellevue technically could had been in the Bay one year and still went to the Lake. Maybe your right but I always heard Perkins and Clyde. But there is 6 schools in the Lake and two votes don’t run anything but then again I don’t know the bylaws for adding new members. But I’m sure Perkins had more concerns than Bellevue or Columbian. Obviously Sandusky doesn’t have a problem with Ross and not sure about Norwalk. If two votes keep them out it would be Clyde and Perkins. I don’t understand Clyde because they would have beaten Ross the last ten years but I know they don’t want Ross.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Mar 27, 2021 19:46:08 GMT -5
It disrupts but doesn’t change the SBC 3 divisions. Maybe Fremont Ross gets in. If so the Lake competitiveness doesn’t change and Ross doesn’t dominate or even win it in the near future. It is the answer for the next ten years anyhow. Bellevue and Clyde are afraid of Ross for some reason and since they control the SBC, Ross will never get in. I think it has been more Clyde and Perkins. I don’t think Bellevue is afraid of Ross. Bellevue isn’t afraid of anybody and I thought about mentioning that but I thought it was well understood. My bad!
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Post by crimsonblooded on Mar 27, 2021 18:28:28 GMT -5
So basically this all comes down to what is Woodmore and Oak Harbor going to do that will put the wheels in motion or not. It disrupts but doesn’t change the SBC 3 divisions. Maybe Fremont Ross gets in. If so the Lake competitiveness doesn’t change and Ross doesn’t dominate or even win it in the near future. It is the answer for the next ten years anyhow.
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