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Post by maplecityjake on Nov 19, 2018 5:26:47 GMT -5
Can't see Lex voluntarily going after and SBC spot. The SBC is not making everyone happy right now so they would not look to go to a bad place. To confirm, and I may have missed something, but what's cthe issue with SBC? Thank you in advace |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 7:55:43 GMT -5
Can't see Lex voluntarily going after and SBC spot. The SBC is not making everyone happy right now so they would not look to go to a bad place. To confirm, and I may have missed something, but what's cthe issue with SBC? Thank you in advace Willard isn’t happy they are being moved to Bay division in football. Adding Lex wouldn’t change that though |
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Post by dude on Nov 19, 2018 8:26:14 GMT -5
It's hard to make anyone happy when you are trying to make everyone happy. Having 20+ votes means that 7-8 schools could always be outvoted and unhappy as compared to an 8 team league.
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Post by A no.1 on Nov 19, 2018 20:07:07 GMT -5
It would be a damn shame if Lexington is denied entry to the MOAC. Who else are they waiting for that fits better geographically and size? Highland? Upper Sandusky? Those two schools aren't leaving their conferences unless they're booted for being too large. It is a shame. The 7 remaining schools voted 4-3 not to invite them to the MOAC. Their plan is to HOPE that Highland gets to big for the KMAC and gets kicked out. That's disappointing. Who voted no and what were their reasons for voting no? Highland the only reason? |
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Post by dude on Nov 19, 2018 21:05:24 GMT -5
Galion was a definite NO vote. They try to avoid scheduling Lexington in about every way possible. I would guess Pleasant and River Valley were NO votes since they have no history with Lex and are Central District teams.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 19, 2018 21:20:25 GMT -5
To confirm, and I may have missed something, but what's cthe issue with SBC? Thank you in advace Willard isn’t happy they are being moved to Bay division in football. Adding Lex wouldn’t change that though Willard has not outwardly shared their displeasure for the move so it sounds like something that's only "in house". I can assure you they were not happy about being in the River when this all started. They wanted to be in the Bay and two years later, they will be. They are not getting smaller like they were a few years ago.They fit better in the Bay than River for many reasons. Well, maybe not competitively in football. The moral of that story - Willard is NEVER happy. NEVER. EVER. Turmoil or bust is the motto. |
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Post by dude on Nov 19, 2018 22:34:25 GMT -5
Willard has obviously shared their thoughts outwardly otherwise people would not know about it. 90% of all complaints will be made outside of a league meeting room.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Nov 19, 2018 22:41:08 GMT -5
I would guess Galion, River Valley, and Pleasant votes no on Lex. I’m a Galion fan and I’m disappointed in that. Lex is a bigger school but geographically they fit perfectly. I still think the MOAC should invite Willard to join. I’m going to get pasted on here for saying that but I think they should.
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Post by dude on Nov 19, 2018 22:58:44 GMT -5
I would guess Galion, River Valley, and Pleasant votes no on Lex. I’m a Galion fan and I’m disappointed in that. Lex is a bigger school but geographically they fit perfectly. I still think the MOAC should invite Willard to join. I’m going to get pasted on here for saying that but I think they should. Lex is half the size of Marion Harding so the size debate is out the window and they are half the distance to Marion. So i'm in agreement with you in wondering why Galion would vote NO. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 19, 2018 23:04:29 GMT -5
More lies from dude. Marion 390, Lex 301, how does that make Lex half the size of Harding?? Lex would be the next to largest after Harding. Lex would be the only DIII school.
Upper is only 20 miles from Harding at 75 mph on 4-lane RT 23.
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Post by maplecityjake on Nov 19, 2018 23:06:26 GMT -5
We know when school size is mentioned, it's code for we can't compete with said school
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Post by dude on Nov 19, 2018 23:13:30 GMT -5
We know when school size is mentioned, it's code for we can't compete with said school You are sooooooooooooooooooo correct. Not one MOAC flinched with Marion Harding in the league. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 19, 2018 23:23:43 GMT -5
Harding was promised if they were patient they would get in when someone left. There was flinching, there was hating, but a promise was made and it would not look good if the votes weren't the same as the promise.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 19, 2018 23:25:22 GMT -5
I would guess Galion, River Valley, and Pleasant votes no on Lex. I’m a Galion fan and I’m disappointed in that. Lex is a bigger school but geographically they fit perfectly. I still think the MOAC should invite Willard to join. I’m going to get pasted on here for saying that but I think they should. It doesn't take an invite. If Willard wanted in the MOAC they could apply. Like Lex did to get away from the OCC. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 19, 2018 23:37:36 GMT -5
Willard isn’t happy they are being moved to Bay division in football. Adding Lex wouldn’t change that though Willard has not outwardly shared their displeasure for the move so it sounds like something that's only "in house". I can assure you they were not happy about being in the River when this all started. They wanted to be in the Bay and two years later, they will be. They are not getting smaller like they were a few years ago.They fit better in the Bay than River for many reasons. Well, maybe not competitively in football. The moral of that story - Willard is NEVER happy. NEVER. EVER. Turmoil or bust is the motto. Willard in the Bay Division means they might have won their last SBC Division football game. |
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 20, 2018 8:13:16 GMT -5
I would guess Galion, River Valley, and Pleasant votes no on Lex. I’m a Galion fan and I’m disappointed in that. Lex is a bigger school but geographically they fit perfectly. I still think the MOAC should invite Willard to join. I’m going to get pasted on here for saying that but I think they should. It doesn't take an invite. If Willard wanted in the MOAC they could apply. Like Lex did to get away from the OCC. It does take an invite. A school can let a league know they are interested but nothing will happen without and invite from the league. The MOAC voted 4-3 to not discuss any further, Lexington as an option to replace Buckeye when they leave. Marion County schools have hope Highland will get kicked out soon. |
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Post by JMoore on Nov 20, 2018 9:04:23 GMT -5
Willard has not outwardly shared their displeasure for the move so it sounds like something that's only "in house". I can assure you they were not happy about being in the River when this all started. They wanted to be in the Bay and two years later, they will be. They are not getting smaller like they were a few years ago.They fit better in the Bay than River for many reasons. Well, maybe not competitively in football. The moral of that story - Willard is NEVER happy. NEVER. EVER. Turmoil or bust is the motto. Willard in the Bay Division means they might have won their last SBC Division football game. I think Willard has gotten much better from what they were. However, they are D5 and they fit in the Bay. Remember, being in a league is more than winning FOOTBALL Championships. They can't compete in girl sports? They can't compete in Soccer? They can't compete in Basketball? Boys Huron 207 edison 197 Willard 169 Oak harbor - 181 PC - 241 Vermilion 229 Girls Wilalrd 218 Edison - 175 Huron 157 PC - 216 Vermilion 236 OH - 202 So actually, girl enrollment makes them the second largest (they actually have more girls than Perkins, who is in the Lake) River Boys enrollment calvert - 61 Danbury - 55 Gibsonburg - 129 Margaretta - 119 HL 97 Lakota - 146 SJCC - 54 SMCC - 61 Stop the argument that they are too small for the bay. Better argument is they are too big for the river. MOAC Onatrio - 248 Galion 211 CF - 225 Shelby - 248 harding - 390 NU - 186 MP - 169 RV - 242 239 avg (214 w/o Harding) 211 avg size of SBC. So they don't gain any kind of advantage by moving to a different conference. And for the most part, they would struggle to compete with those schools in football. |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Nov 20, 2018 9:56:41 GMT -5
Upper is only 20 miles from Harding at 75 mph on 4-lane RT 23. Was this a typo, or were you actually meaning to state a figure 10 miles over the speed limit? |
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 20, 2018 13:21:38 GMT -5
More lies from dude. Marion 390, Lex 301, how does that make Lex half the size of Harding?? Lex would be the next to largest after Harding. Lex would be the only DIII school. Upper is only 20 miles from Harding at 75 mph on 4-lane RT 23. At the meeting they looked at district enrollment size since the interest would be the future and not the current OHSAA number. Harding is over 4,300 and Lexington was over 2300. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 20, 2018 18:40:50 GMT -5
The future at Harding has been that by the time kids get to high school many have transferred or are gone.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 20, 2018 18:41:24 GMT -5
Upper is only 20 miles from Harding at 75 mph on 4-lane RT 23. Was this a typo, or were you actually meaning to state a figure 10 miles over the speed limit? opps lol |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 20, 2018 18:47:16 GMT -5
It doesn't take an invite. If Willard wanted in the MOAC they could apply. Like Lex did to get away from the OCC. It does take an invite. A school can let a league know they are interested but nothing will happen without and invite from the league. The MOAC voted 4-3 to not discuss any further, Lexington as an option to replace Buckeye when they leave. Marion County schools have hope Highland will get kicked out soon. You're saying that Lex was invited to join, then voted down? How does that work? One or two schools are allowed to invite a school? If only 4 schools wanted Lex why would they bother inviting? A school can apply, then after consideration and a vote, can get an invite or not. |
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 21, 2018 18:42:02 GMT -5
Lex was not invited to join. The vote was not to continue any discussions about inviting them.
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 22, 2018 8:38:21 GMT -5
Lex was not invited to join. The vote was not to continue any discussions about inviting them. Thanks for clarifying this again for everyone. So the no votes were - Galion, Ontario, Pleasant, River Valley? Yes were Clear Fork, Shelby and Harding? |
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Post by maplecityjake on Nov 22, 2018 8:58:15 GMT -5
Again, unless I missed something, I figure Ontario to be a "yes" vote instead of nay.
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Post by dude on Nov 22, 2018 10:41:33 GMT -5
Lex was not invited to join. The vote was not to continue any discussions about inviting them. Thanks for clarifying this again for everyone. So the no votes were - Galion, Ontario, Pleasant, River Valley? Yes were Clear Fork, Shelby and Harding? Incorrect, Ontario was a yes vote. I can't say if it was a secret ballot or they went around the room. But if it was done in open forum once the 4th NO vote was made the rest could do without changing the result. |
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Post by kingmartinez on Nov 22, 2018 11:47:59 GMT -5
So you're saying there weren't necessarily three "yes" votes?
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Post by dude on Nov 22, 2018 12:46:36 GMT -5
So you're saying there weren't necessarily three "yes" votes? There absolutely were 3 yes votes on that day. When a vote is collected by an open forum, the results may not be the same as when a topic vote is not identified to the voter. All seven schools were contacted individually about this topic before a letter of interest was sent. Six schools were in favor and one was undecided but leaned against the idea but wanted more info. But this was in private discussions about what was good for the MOAC. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 22, 2018 21:15:24 GMT -5
Lex was not invited to join. The vote was not to continue any discussions about inviting them. I never said they were. It was a postulate. The question remains. Why would the MOAC even have a discussion about it, unless Lex had interest in joining? Wouldn't that be a waste of their time? Has there been phone calls made to league members about and discussions held about Highland, Upper, Willard or Kenton? OR was it known that they had NO interest, so why bother? Did Marion apply first or did the MOAC invite them? Did Galion apply or did the MOAC recruit them. How did it work with Ontario and Shelby? The obvious answer is, all 4 had interest in joining the MOAC. Thus the MOAC had conversations, meetings, culminating in a vote to invite or not to invite. |
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 22, 2018 21:19:31 GMT -5
Lex was not invited to join. The vote was not to continue any discussions about inviting them. I never said they were. It was a postulate. The question remains. Why would the MOAC even have a discussion about it, unless Lex wanted to join? I clarified the events for you based on the questions you had. To answer this question, the vote was in response to Lexington sending a letter of interest to the MOAC commish. |
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