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Post by royalballdad on Dec 13, 2018 8:45:11 GMT -5
I have enjoyed this post for a couple of years but now want to put my “2 Cents in if you go to the Ohio Dept of Education website, you will see that Wynford gets about 200 kids a year from Bucyrus and Crawford gets about 75 a year. Undoubtably these are probably some of Bucyrus better kids, which has to help both Wynford and Crawford’s athletic teams and their test scores. Furthermore, it makes it very difficult to for Bucyrus to compete when these two schools drain their resources. I graduated from BHS in 1980, and I am sure that things are different there now. I have not lived in Crawford County since. However, I am sure that Bucyrus still have some good kids, but realistically, they will continue to struggle to compete. People like to bad mouth Bucyrus, but put yourself in their shoes...you lose your best and brightest to your neighbors/ rivals and then get criticized for being lousy. Interesting numbers, but another poster claims that virtually none of those 200 help Wynford's athletic teams. Those 200 from Bucyrus certainly don’t help much in basketball at least right now at the JV or Varsity levels. Some of those 200 may help in football.
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Post by purefan on Dec 13, 2018 10:39:49 GMT -5
Interesting numbers, but another poster claims that virtually none of those 200 help Wynford's athletic teams. Those 200 from Bucyrus certainly don’t help much in basketball at least right now at the JV or Varsity levels. Some of those 200 may help in football. WFCC.......wynford football central catholic......🤣😃😆😂
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 13, 2018 10:49:48 GMT -5
Those 200 from Bucyrus certainly don’t help much in basketball at least right now at the JV or Varsity levels. Some of those 200 may help in football. WFCC.......wynford football central catholic......🤣😃😆😂 Touché Wynford football has had its share of move-ins & transfers which have helped the football team over the years. And some even helped the badketball team. Although it has been a long time since badketball has been good and benefitted from those move-ins & transfers.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 13, 2018 10:53:53 GMT -5
Hoping that Coach Mohr can get our first win v Bucyrus tonight. Be a really tough start to go 0-4 and lose to Bucyrus.
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Post by dude on Dec 13, 2018 12:10:57 GMT -5
If any of the move-ins & transfers are on the roster they are helping make a team better otherwise they would not have been kept and the home grown kids would be in their place. Granted they may not be scoring 20/game but the fact that they are on a team means they were better than others.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 13, 2018 12:27:53 GMT -5
If any of the move-ins & transfers are on the roster they are helping make a team better otherwise they would not have been kept and the home grown kids would be in their place. Granted they may not be scoring 20/game but the fact that they are on a team means they were better than others. Most if not all Wynford’s varsity roster is made up of home-grown players.
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Post by oldno72 on Dec 13, 2018 12:35:07 GMT -5
If any of the move-ins & transfers are on the roster they are helping make a team better otherwise they would not have been kept and the home grown kids would be in their place. Granted they may not be scoring 20/game but the fact that they are on a team means they were better than others. Most if not all Wynford’s varsity roster is made up of home-grown players. [ The competing balance numbers indicate that some on the rooster (JV ?) are not homegrown
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Post by Hagen on Dec 13, 2018 12:46:59 GMT -5
Most if not all Wynford’s varsity roster is made up of home-grown players. The competing balance numbers indicate that some on the rooster (JV ?) are not homegrown Players may have been "homegrown" through Wynford schools, but it does not necessarily mean they haven't open-enrolled from other school districts during that time.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2018 13:24:58 GMT -5
Stop whining about "recruiting" and do something about it. It is illegal. There's really not much to be done the way "recruiting" is handled now days. With the lax rules OHSAA has been forced to adopt, a coach only has to sit back and smile. The AAU people do all the work ( they used to be called "boosters") and can't be touched. I can't really blame any coach for this, you have to play the game under the rules in place or you fall behind. You need to read the OHSAA Bylaws. In this case Bylaw 9-2, which says the following. The term "recruitment" shall mean; The use of influence by an individual, either connected or not connected to a school, to secure the enrollment of a prospective student athlete. Thus, it is illegal for "AAU people" and "boosters" to influence student athletes. The sad thing is they, nor parents, can be punished unless they work or volunteer in any way for the school. It's the athlete and the school that gets punished, even if they had no part in the "recruitment". For those talking about middle school students. In regards to "recruitment", the OHSAA considers 7th and 8th graders as prospective athletes. Therefore, the recruiting Bylaws also affect them.
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Post by dude on Dec 13, 2018 21:06:29 GMT -5
Carey beats CC but was there a handshake?
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Post by bigox on Dec 14, 2018 7:20:44 GMT -5
Wynford 69, Bucyrus 61
Carey 49, Colonel Crawford 34
Mohawk 59, Buckeye Central 28
Seneca East 60, Ridgedale 52
Carey takes it to C.c. What happened there? Anyone go? Purefan you have a front row seat? Summit went off for 21 points. But Crawford held Stone in check for the most part. Bucyrus closer than I thought to Wynford. But both teams putting up 60 points is interesting... Mohawk drilled B.C. all with out starting point guard. Look forward to Saturday night and seeing if Carey has enough in the tank to run with Upper after just two days rest. Longs first league win at Seneca East.
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Post by purefan on Dec 14, 2018 7:34:31 GMT -5
Carey played very well. The summitt kid had a heck of a game. His athleticism gave cc fits. Held stone in check for most part but his size affected a great deal around the rim. Cc couldn’t throw it in the ocean. Not sure of shooting % but had to be 30% or under. Sure seemed it anyhow. Give carey credit, not sure they hang with upper or not unless upper has an emotional let down as well. Doesn’t get any easier for cc as have mohawk sat. A tough opening schedule for cc playing the top teams in the league right out of gate. Just wasn’t cc’s nite.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 14, 2018 7:37:50 GMT -5
Wynford pulls it out at Bucyrus. Basketball was set back 50 years with this game. Bad basketball and a foul fest. Close to half the points for both teams seemingly were made from foul line. Game took forever with all the fouls. Very tough to watch this game. Was worried that Crall would get hurt. He took a pounding. Very poor skil level by both teams players. Felt like a was watching a girls 6th grade game. Both teams should get beat by 25-30 points by Mohawk, Upper, Crawford & Carey.
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Post by purefan on Dec 14, 2018 9:05:33 GMT -5
Wynford pulls it out at Bucyrus. Basketball was set back 50 years with this game. Bad basketball and a foul fest. Close to half the points for both teams seemingly were made from foul line. Game took forever with all the fouls. Very tough to watch this game. Was worried that Crall would get hurt. He took a pounding. Very poor skil level by both teams players. Felt like a was watching a girls 6th grade game. Both teams should get beat by 25-30 points by Mohawk, Upper, Crawford & Carey. Did i read tf right? It said crall had 21 of his 39 from the line? 21 of 24 from the line? That’s crazy and probably some type of record set. I’m sure no matter how ugly a game it was coach morh gotta be very happy to get the W.
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Post by Hagen on Dec 14, 2018 9:41:50 GMT -5
Did i read tf right? It said crall had 21 of his 39 from the line? 21 of 24 from the line? That’s crazy and probably some type of record set. ... OHSAA BBK Record Book begins " Free Throws Made in a Game" at 22. Record is 34 by Luke Kennard. Jon Diebler made 27 vs. Columbian in 2006 in his 77-point game. I'm assuming Crall's 21 is now a Wynford record & N10 record, being Diebler was NOL.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 14, 2018 9:48:11 GMT -5
Wynford pulls it out at Bucyrus. Basketball was set back 50 years with this game. Bad basketball and a foul fest. Close to half the points for both teams seemingly were made from foul line. Game took forever with all the fouls. Very tough to watch this game. Was worried that Crall would get hurt. He took a pounding. Very poor skil level by both teams players. Felt like a was watching a girls 6th grade game. Both teams should get beat by 25-30 points by Mohawk, Upper, Crawford & Carey. Did i read tf right? It said crall had 21 of his 39 from the line? 21 of 24 from the line? That’s crazy and probably some type of record set. I’m sure no matter how ugly a game it was coach morh gotta be very happy to get the W. I did not see any final stats. That sounds correct for Crall. He was shooting foul shots seemingly all game. And it was a win that the Royals had to have. Bucyrus plays very hard & physical but just not many skilled basketball players. Their PG is pretty good as is Robinson. Give Mohr credit for stepping in and coaching. He gives it is all. The question I have is why Wynford has so many coaches sitting on the bench?
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 14, 2018 10:56:37 GMT -5
Looking at the score for the Carey v Crawford game. What sticks out the most is the 34 point total for Crawford. And saw in the Findlay paper that Fenner had 21 & Feichtner had 11 of those 34. Looks like Crawford needs to get some other players scoring. Just like against Upper the box score showed Fenner & Feichtner with 17 each and no other players close to double-digit scoring. Carey’s guards are athletic but not really good ball-handlers or passers. I look for Upper to beat Carey unless like Crawford they struggle to score. Uppers man-to-man trapping D should cause Carey’s guards problems. Crawford will have a tough time vs Mohawk as they have very athletic and physically guards (Hayman is really good at both ends of the floor) who should be able to hold Fenner in check. Crawford will definitely need some other players to step up and score or Feichtner to go for 25-30. Crazy to even think that Crawford would start the season 0-3 in league play.
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Post by Hagen on Dec 14, 2018 12:19:36 GMT -5
...I look for Upper to beat Carey unless like Crawford they struggle to score. Uppers man-to-man trapping D should cause Carey’s guards problems... Can Upper man trap and still double Stone (if needed)? Does Upper have anyone who can hang with Stone enough to allow the guards to continue trapping on the perimeter?
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Post by dude on Dec 14, 2018 12:31:34 GMT -5
...I look for Upper to beat Carey unless like Crawford they struggle to score. Uppers man-to-man trapping D should cause Carey’s guards problems... Can Upper man trap and still double Stone (if needed)? Does Upper have anyone who can hang with Stone enough to allow the guards to continue trapping on the perimeter? I cannot say their sizes are equal but the Holly kid is pretty big. If he can give Stone problems by himself, my guess is the other 4 Upper kids will be running and trapping all over the floor.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 14, 2018 12:44:40 GMT -5
Can Upper man trap and still double Stone (if needed)? Does Upper have anyone who can hang with Stone enough to allow the guards to continue trapping on the perimeter? I cannot say their sizes are equal but the Holly kid is pretty big. If he can give Stone problems by himself, my guess is the other 4 Upper kids will be running and trapping all over the floor. Agree. Can Upper cause the Carey guards to turnover the ball over before they can get it to Stone. Can Holly & others defend the paint vs Stone. Also, can Upper contain Summit. Then in the other big league game. Can Mohawk contain Fenner. Can Crawford get some scoring from other players. And can Mohawk handle Crawfords overall length.
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Post by bigox on Dec 14, 2018 15:03:58 GMT -5
Last year Holly got in early foul trouble and had to sit. Battle of bigs maybe some. Summit burnt Upper for big points in the second half of the game too. Still came down to a missed 3 for the win by Upper in the first meeting.
Bigger question is, who on Carey can stay with Mcreary and Vent duo,not so much what Upper can do against Stone.
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Post by kniteflyer on Dec 15, 2018 17:27:45 GMT -5
Rumors are that the Stone kid from Carey is moving to Upper for Senior season. They must be recruiting his parents as you say they did the Crawford kids. Upper must be using Willard’s old “How to Recruit Manual”. You're an idiot. As uninformed as the Galion clown is with his perpetual priapism toward Willard. You still jilted that Haas turned away from Wynford's advances to return to his Crawfish County roots in the mid AND late 70's?
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Post by kniteflyer on Dec 15, 2018 17:32:12 GMT -5
Fbfan... maybe what is going on in Upper is simple. Kids want to go play for a program that wins and plays a style of basketball that is fun to play and may actually help them become better players and have a chance to play ball after high school somewhere. The old saying, “if you build it they will come”. Doubt Winslow is doing anything in the form of recruiting. His record and coaching style speaks loud enough. Fbfan, You seem by all your posts to be part of the Cool-aid Drinking Sheldon Mafia Basketball Cabal. Anyone who posts sonething negative against the Grand Poobah Sheldon you have to come running to the thread to his defense. Just saying... Further proof that you're as dumb as a stump. You talk out both sides of your mouth. Substitute "Haas" for "Winslow" and you self defeat your own "point" earlier against Willard and their "recruiting."
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 15, 2018 18:07:01 GMT -5
Fbfan... maybe what is going on in Upper is simple. Kids want to go play for a program that wins and plays a style of basketball that is fun to play and may actually help them become better players and have a chance to play ball after high school somewhere. The old saying, “if you build it they will come”. Doubt Winslow is doing anything in the form of recruiting. His record and coaching style speaks loud enough. Fbfan, You seem by all your posts to be part of the Cool-aid Drinking Sheldon Mafia Basketball Cabal. Anyone who posts sonething negative against the Grand Poobah Sheldon you have to come running to the thread to his defense. Just saying... Further proof that you're as dumb as a stump. You talk out both sides of your mouth. Substitute "Haas" for "Winslow" and you self defeat your own "point" earlier against Willard and their "recruiting." wow I guess I hit a nerve. Just don’t believe Winslow is recruiting any players. Kid this season came from Crawford for other reasons. And maybe the Stone kid wants to come because he is un-happy at Carey. Who knows. Doesn’t mean Winslow is involved. Kids all around Ohio change schools every season. Maybe not as much around here but they do in a lot of other places. Doesn’t make it right. Also I never to my recollection said Willard is or has recruited this past season.
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Post by kniteflyer on Dec 15, 2018 18:24:43 GMT -5
The McCreary family could have moved to Upper and their kid could still be playing at CC if that is where he wanted to play. Dad made the choice. The kid also wanted to play football sophomore year CC, actually went out and was on the team in the preseason but then quit for some reason. I heard in the stands that it was after dad watched him play in a scrimmage and saw a collision he was involved in.Sounds like responsible parenting. More parents need to consider the same.
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Post by kniteflyer on Dec 15, 2018 18:53:40 GMT -5
Further proof that you're as dumb as a stump. You talk out both sides of your mouth. Substitute "Haas" for "Winslow" and you self defeat your own "point" earlier against Willard and their "recruiting." wow I guess I hit a nerve. Just don’t believe Winslow is recruiting any players. Kid this season came from Crawford for other reasons. And maybe the Stone kid wants to come because he is un-happy at Carey. Who knows. Doesn’t mean Winslow is involved. Kids all around Ohio change schools every season. Maybe not as much around here but they do in a lot of other places. Doesn’t make it right. Also I never to my recollection said Willard is or has recruited this past season. This started because you popped off about Willard in the PAST, not NOW. I know that you're struggling here with reading comprehension, so I'm typing VERY slow. I brought Winslow in as a comparison to your allegations toward Haas/Willard. In almost every case, those rumored, those that actually move, and those brought before the Deities that are the OHSAA, the coaches/schools come out clean 99% of the time. Haas did, Winslow would also, unless you count talking to his sons? It doesn't matter what you "believe." As you said, kid(s) have moved in, or are likely to continue to move in.....just as they once did at Willard, Upper in the Diebler days, C.C. recently, and Wynford "then" under Dave's Dad. IF it's done within the OHSAA rules, what is wrong with it? Some programs attract, like Wynford did once upon a time........
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Post by kniteflyer on Dec 15, 2018 19:19:21 GMT -5
Carey and Upper tied @ 20 @ the half.
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Post by bigox on Dec 15, 2018 21:45:51 GMT -5
Upper over Carey by one 49-48. One of the oddest games I have watched in a while. Not sure if Carey played that good or Upper stunk that badly. Upper went onto a stall offense with about two minutes left only up one. Brilliant that it worked. And balls of steel to do that as a coach. Almost bit them in the butt. Carey guards played a lot better than I expected them to against Uppers pressure. And Uppers defense looked pretty ugly most of the night.
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 15, 2018 22:26:55 GMT -5
Holy cow. Had a Christmas party so did not go to a game. Crazy league night. Ridgedale beats Wynford - wow! Upper just gets by Carey. And Crawford loses to Mohawk at home for their 3rd straight league loss. The Mohawk v Upper shaping up to be a big game.
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Post by usramfan on Dec 16, 2018 8:05:56 GMT -5
Upper over Carey by one 49-48. One of the oddest games I have watched in a while. Not sure if Carey played that good or Upper stunk that badly. Upper went onto a stall offense with about two minutes left only up one. Brilliant that it worked. And balls of steel to do that as a coach. Almost bit them in the butt. Carey guards played a lot better than I expected them to against Uppers pressure. And Uppers defense looked pretty ugly most of the night. The stat line from the game was nearly identical. Both teams made 14 2-point FGs, 5 3-point FGs, and attempted 10 FTs. The difference was Upper made 6 FTs to Carey's 5.
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