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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 1, 2021 22:16:33 GMT -5
On a sidenote if anybody can get me in the district game at Shelby this week I will pay Sheldon Shade level scalper prices Sheldon could
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 1, 2021 22:22:56 GMT -5
On a sidenote if anybody can get me in the district game at Shelby this week I will pay Sheldon Shade level scalper prices Wow Sheldon Shade, there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. On a side note, it’s no wonder these Willard threads always end up 30 or more pages long, lol. He lives in Bellevue
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Post by ScarletFever on Mar 2, 2021 1:28:49 GMT -5
Wow Sheldon Shade, there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. On a side note, it’s no wonder these Willard threads always end up 30 or more pages long, lol. He lives in Bellevue
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Post by jmorgret07 on Mar 2, 2021 8:38:01 GMT -5
Wow Sheldon Shade, there’s a name I haven’t heard in a while. On a side note, it’s no wonder these Willard threads always end up 30 or more pages long, lol. He lives in Bellevue I don't believe he resides in Bellevue currently...
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Post by Vogel on Mar 2, 2021 8:59:50 GMT -5
Some local State Champs and how they fared at the "super easy" Sectional level the year before they won it all. Sectional's are gimme's.
Monroeville 1982-83 - lost in Sectional 1983-84 - State Champs 1984-85 - lost in Sectional lost in Sectional from 77-83 then 85-09. But they got out in 84 and won it all
Upper Sandusky 2003-04 - lost in Sectional 2004-05 - State Champs
Clear Fork 2000-01 - lost in Sectional 2001-02 - State Champs 2002-03 - lost in Sectional Had not won a Sectional since 1996, then get out and won it all in 2002.
Norwalk 2012-13 - Won Sectional, lost in District Semi 2013-14 - State Champs 2014-15 - lost in Sectional Didn't win another Sectional until 2019
Not a State Champ but made Final 4 Clyde 1993-94 - lost in Sectional 1994-95 - Made Final Four 1995-96 - lost in Sectional Hadn't won a Sectional since 1973 until 1995
Sectional Titles are "super easy" - Bucyrus can confirm.
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Post by Vogel on Mar 2, 2021 9:10:11 GMT -5
A little bit more exhaustive list of teams in the NCoast area
Sectional Championships - last 50 years 34 - Mansfield Sr - gets full credit 33 - Willard - but...but...but...take away... 32 - Mansfield St Pete - gets full credit 29 - Wynford 27 - Huron 25 - Lexington -------50% break point -------- 23 - Colonel Crawford 22 - Ontario 20 - Sandusky 19 - Bellevue 19 - Norwalk 17 - St Paul 17 - Upper Sandusky 16 - Shelby 16 - South Central 15 - Buckeye Central 15 - Western Reserve 13 - Plymouth 13 - New London 10 - Clear Fork 10 - Edison 10 - Fremont Ross 9 - Perkins 8 - Margaretta 7 - Galion 6 - Clyde 6 - Tiffin Columbian 4 - Monroeville 3 - Crestline 0 - Bucyrus
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Post by dude on Mar 2, 2021 9:49:23 GMT -5
Wow, Mansfield has 34 sectional championships. Talking with coaches Prats, Collins and James they have never mentioned all of their sectional success.
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Post by jvchesster on Mar 2, 2021 9:56:09 GMT -5
Wow, Mansfield has 34 sectional championships. Talking with coaches Prats, Collins and James they have never mentioned all of their sectional success. Good coaches can (not always) take a decently talented team and win a sectional championship. If a coach fails to win a sectional championship somewhat consistently, they will be shown the door. Good coaches don't always have the best talent. That’s why a sectional championship over time is a good way to judge a teams success. Imo
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Post by dude on Mar 2, 2021 10:04:49 GMT -5
Wow, Mansfield has 34 sectional championships. Talking with coaches Prats, Collins and James they have never mentioned all of their sectional success. Good coaches can (not always) take a decently talented team and win a sectional championship. If a coach fails to win a sectional championship somewhat consistently, they will be shown the door. Good coaches don't always have the best talent. That’s why a sectional championship over time is a good way to judge a teams success. Imo I agree it is a tremendous way to judge a team's success. Mansfield's trophy case is full of sectional awards.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 2, 2021 10:10:17 GMT -5
Good coaches can (not always) take a decently talented team and win a sectional championship. If a coach fails to win a sectional championship somewhat consistently, they will be shown the door. Good coaches don't always have the best talent. That’s why a sectional championship over time is a good way to judge a teams success. Imo I agree it is a tremendous way to judge a team's success. Mansfield's trophy case is full of sectional awards. Hands down, you are the biggest douche on the proboard. Way to go, keep building that reputation.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 2, 2021 10:26:29 GMT -5
I don't give Mansfield Senior full credit. As I've often stated, and probably to Malabar10's irritation, they wussed out of the famed Buckeye. Given the timeframe, and I apologize for an open wound, I'm still a bit surprised they were the ones to snap 69-game winning streak
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2021 10:54:21 GMT -5
Wow, Mansfield has 34 sectional championships. Talking with coaches Prats, Collins and James they have never mentioned all of their sectional success. Most all coaches with many would not mention them in conversations. Some "fans" do.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2021 10:58:36 GMT -5
I don't give Mansfield Senior full credit. As I've often stated, and probably to Malabar10's irritation, they wussed out of the famed Buckeye. Given the timeframe, and I apologize for an open wound, I'm still a bit surprised they were the ones to snap 69-game winning streak Just imagine how many more of these worthless titles Senior would have had and MORE if there was never a Malabar.
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Post by Vogel on Mar 2, 2021 11:57:42 GMT -5
I think I know why dude hates Sectional Championships so much, he knows it was those Sectional games that framed the 1989 and 1991 paths to State for Lex as Willard had Lex's number both years.
Willard probably had dude's take on Sectional Championships as Willard had won 15 straight Sectional Championships heading into 1989 (1974-1988 Sectional Champs every year). So easy, ooops.
Lexington can thank those "easy" Sectionals for taking out their Daddy.
1989 - Lexington wins the State Title - Willard beat Lex in the regular season - Willard (18-2) - Willard got knocked out in the Sectional by BG - Had Willard won an "easy" Sectional Title then Lex would have had to get through Willard
1991 - Lexington wins the State Title - Willard beat Lex in the regular season - Willard AP #1 (20-0) - Willard got knocked out in the Sectional by Fostoria - Had Willard won an "easy" Sectional Title then Lex would have had to get through Willard
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Post by dude on Mar 2, 2021 12:25:04 GMT -5
I agree it is a tremendous way to judge a team's success. Mansfield's trophy case is full of sectional awards. Hands down, you are the biggest douche on the proboard. Way to go, keep building that reputation. Why, because I think a sectional game is just that. A good barometer of a quality team is a District title or even a District final appearance. I don't see a game that is played by 512 teams out of 795 as a true indicator. You can disagree. I accept that.
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Post by jvchesster on Mar 2, 2021 12:32:46 GMT -5
Hands down, you are the biggest douche on the proboard. Way to go, keep building that reputation. Why, because I think a sectional game is just that. A good barometer of a quality team is a District title or even a District final appearance. I don't see a game that is played by 512 teams out of 795 as a true indicator. You can disagree. I accept that. Lol. Now you change it to “quality” team. Do whatever you need to do to fit your narrative dude. You’re claiming if they win the sectional it doesn’t mean anything. But if they win one more game it’s a huge difference maker. Gtfoh
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Post by jvchesster on Mar 2, 2021 12:36:48 GMT -5
Must have a lot of district semi final trophies Mansfield is proud of.
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Post by dude on Mar 2, 2021 12:37:36 GMT -5
I think I know why dude hates Sectional Championships so much, he knows it was those Sectional games that framed the 1989 and 1991 paths to State for Lex as Willard had Lex's number both years. Willard probably had dude's take on Sectional Championships as Willard had won 15 straight Sectional Championships heading into 1989 (1974-1988 Sectional Champs every year). So easy, ooops. Lexington can thank those "easy" Sectionals for taking out their Daddy. 1989 - Lexington wins the State Title - Willard beat Lex in the regular season - Willard (18-2) - Willard got knocked out in the Sectional by BG - Had Willard won an "easy" Sectional Title then Lex would have had to get through Willard 1991 - Lexington wins the State Title - Willard beat Lex in the regular season - Willard AP #1 (20-0) - Willard got knocked out in the Sectional by Fostoria - Had Willard won an "easy" Sectional Title then Lex would have had to get through Willard You obviously know nothing of what was said. I have no issues with Willard. I simply debated the statement that a sectional title was a good barometer of a team. I disagreed and it had nothing to do with Willard or any specific school.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2021 12:41:55 GMT -5
Due to dude's stance on Sectionals, it follows that he would be in favor of eliminating them and just seeding the 16 best teams in each Region as done in football and not allowing the rest of the teams to play in the post season. That will get the State Champion 99% of the time.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 2, 2021 15:47:15 GMT -5
IMHO, at that time, it was simply Lex' time to shine.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2021 20:01:21 GMT -5
IMHO, at that time, it was simply Lex' time to shine. Jamie and 4 other DI players was the reason for the "shine". Coach Collins helped a little.
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Post by ohioraised on Mar 2, 2021 20:45:59 GMT -5
IMHO, at that time, it was simply Lex' time to shine. Jamie and 4 other DI players was the reason for the "shine". Coach Collins helped a little. I know lexington had Feick but do you think they had 4 other DI players?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2021 22:49:30 GMT -5
Sanderson Ohio State, Hoeppner Ohio U, Howell Ohio U, Yarger Hofstra
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 3, 2021 5:21:00 GMT -5
Sanderson Ohio State, Hoeppner Ohio U, Howell Ohio U, Yarger Hofstra I thought Sanderson was mid-90s and played for Coach Gray?
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Post by dude on Mar 3, 2021 6:39:00 GMT -5
Sanderson Ohio State, Hoeppner Ohio U, Howell Ohio U, Yarger Hofstra I thought Sanderson was mid-90s and played for Coach Gray? 1994-1997 and he did.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 3, 2021 7:31:12 GMT -5
I went to 96 game at Bellevue and and he lit up the Redmen, especially in OT. In fairness, David Falknor lit up Lex as well.
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Post by dude on Mar 3, 2021 7:56:51 GMT -5
IMHO, at that time, it was simply Lex' time to shine. And if the 2 trophy trips to Columbus was Lex's "time to shine", it did not include Adam Howell, John Yarger or Jon Sanderson
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Post by dude on Mar 3, 2021 8:00:44 GMT -5
I went to 96 game at Bellevue and and he lit up the Redmen, especially in OT. In fairness, David Falknor lit up Lex as well. Jon had over 30 that night but it was really close to Christmas of 95 because Marc Kreischer was playing and I remember it being over school break.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 3, 2021 8:04:30 GMT -5
Yes, 95-96 season, so I did error a bit. Christmas sounds right because I went with an uncle whom normally wouldn't be in area due to living out of State.
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Post by dude on Mar 3, 2021 8:11:03 GMT -5
Yes, 95-96 season, so I did error a bit. Christmas sounds right because I went with an uncle whom normally wouldn't be in area due to living out of State. I didn't see it as an error, I was just adding some details to the timeframe. Sanderson was a good player but I mention Kreischer because I think he was just as special on that team.
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