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Post by dude on Feb 21, 2021 12:19:43 GMT -5
"regardless" ROFL Those with any intellect know that there are a few girls teams now and then that don't have anyone on their roster that can dribble a ball more than twice with losing it and can't get the ball close to the rim on an open shot. Are you seriously comparing Shelby boys basketball to girls basketball now? You have ZERO knowledge what schlabach[sic] said in that game. That’s actually a boys score Hiland boys did not beat a team 101-8 this season but the girls team did.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:21:22 GMT -5
The great state of Ontario is different standards than all! Don't be illogical. Compare results of games against the same teams. The state of your mind has different standards than all! Ontario just beat Pleasant by 38? So because Shelby scored 113 and Ontario only scored 78. It’s different? So if Shelby woulda won 88-40 would things be different? 🤔
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 21, 2021 12:23:59 GMT -5
PAY ATTENTION....There are coaches that would NEVER do that to a team. You don't have a problem with the Shelby coach being put in the same negative light as Africentric? BTW, the quality of this Shelby team is not close to the teams you proffered. My basketball watching tells me your post is nonsensical as those schools have a combined total of over 35 Final Fours. Will Shelby get their first ever this year?? Your correct on those totals absolutely! Do you think them coaches got their program standards to that level by saying “ok guys we have to play nice tonight cause this team isn’t very good” to my knowledge pleasant isn’t a bottom tier team. Believe they have won 8 games on the season? And upset Ontario? And just lost to River Valley on a last second buzzer beater? "Them[sic] coaches" got their programs to that level by recruiting. Building program has nothing to do with scoring 100+ points when you can win and score 80. We're talking about a game or 2 a season. How is holding back your team in 2 games a year going to affect a program?? What does "tier" have to do with the price of tea in China??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:24:54 GMT -5
That’s actually a boys score Hiland boys did not beat a team 101-8 this season but the girls team did. I see that now. Max preps has it on boys site also. My mistake.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 21, 2021 12:27:23 GMT -5
Don't be illogical. Compare results of games against the same teams. The state of your mind has different standards than all! Ontario just beat Pleasant by 38? So because Shelby scored 113 and Ontario only scored 78. It’s different? So if Shelby woulda won 88-40 would things be different? 🤔 In general comparing scores is fool hardy. YOU earlier compared scores of Shelby and Ontario against different schools, that's ignorant.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 21, 2021 12:28:44 GMT -5
Hiland boys did not beat a team 101-8 this season but the girls team did. I see that now. Max preps has it on boys site also. My mistake. Those with ANY intellect knew that was a girls game score between those 2 schools.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:28:52 GMT -5
Ontario just beat Pleasant by 38? So because Shelby scored 113 and Ontario only scored 78. It’s different? So if Shelby woulda won 88-40 would things be different? 🤔 In general comparing scores is fool hardy. YOU earlier compared scores of Shelby and Ontario against different schools, that's ignorant. And now I compare the same. And your still arguing. Different strokes for different folks. We will agree to disagree. Keep giving your participation trophy’s.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 21, 2021 12:39:07 GMT -5
Not arguing, just making you aware how ignorant it is to compare apples to oranges.
YES it would be different. In the Ontario vs Pleasant game YOU proffered, Ontario pressed in the first quarter causing a bunch of turnovers and easy baskets and scored 26 points. Balogh didn't press after the first quarter and had his team play an easy half court man defense the next 3 quarters. Shaver only playing about half the minutes in the first three quarters, none in the 4th. Ontario could have easily scored over 100, but their coach chose to show some empathy. Which he has done through out his career.
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Post by 4 on Feb 21, 2021 16:39:05 GMT -5
Shelby wins a district title I’m sure, not sure they get much further.
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Post by 4 on Feb 21, 2021 16:39:49 GMT -5
Not arguing, just making you aware how ignorant it is to compare apples to oranges. YES it would be different. In the Ontario vs Pleasant game YOU proffered, Ontario pressed in the first quarter causing a bunch of turnovers and easy baskets and scored 26 points. Balogh didn't press after the first quarter and had his team play an easy half court man defense the next 3 quarters. Shaver only playing about half the minutes in the first three quarters, none in the 4th. Ontario could have easily scored over 100, but their coach chose to show some empathy. Which he has done through out his career. which all coaches with respect for the game, their peers and fellow teams do.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 21, 2021 19:06:20 GMT -5
"with respect for the game" is the operative phrase.
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Post by dude on Feb 22, 2021 9:56:40 GMT -5
Just state the truth, The way the Shelby coach carries himself is not traditional, liked or greatly supported and history would show that non traditional coaches do not last long.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2021 10:48:52 GMT -5
Winning coaches usually last a while. They also tend to take a lot of crap.
I would say the average age on this site has high school aged kids or older. Point is he doesn’t coach the way we are used to. Well kids today aren’t the same either. Maybe he’s onto something...or maybe not. Time will tell.
Some things are universal. Respect, hard work, teamwork, representing yourself and your community well. As long as those principles are taught and you’re winning isn’t the rest just fluff?
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Post by dude on Feb 22, 2021 10:55:32 GMT -5
Winning coaches usually last a while. They also tend to take a lot of crap. I would say the average age on this site has high school aged kids or older. Point is he doesn’t coach the way we are used to. Well kids today aren’t the same either. Maybe he’s onto something...or maybe not. Time will tell. Some things are universal. Respect, hard work, teamwork, representing yourself and your community well. As long as those principles are taught and you’re winning isn’t the rest just fluff? Of those 5 things you mentioned, I've heard 3 are not being accomplished so I think you are right. time will tell.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 22, 2021 12:45:25 GMT -5
I have zero inside information. I’m more out of touch than I’ve been in 15 years. With COVID I haven’t been to a game in person since last year. I haven’t played at an open gym since before last season. That’s the last meaningful contact I had with the basketball program.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 22, 2021 15:21:02 GMT -5
Shelby's previous record of 111 points came in 1957 when they held Willard to under 50 points. I don't know what the culture about running up the score was back then, but it certainly isn't THAT new of a phenomena. It wasn't even Shelby's biggest (or 2nd biggest) margin of victory this season. When I was a junior & senior at Shelby, the boys team dropped a 41 and 36 point victories at some point during those two years. Obviously different circumstances when you score over 100...110...but I still see no harm here. If a team can go 8-13, then they have had enough W's for me not to feel sorry when they get a train dropped on them during another team's last home regular season game. These are high schoolers, they aren't daisies. Some of my biggest moments of improvement in life came after the most embarrassing moments I've had. I can't imagine anyone on Pleasant's team is going to quit their basketball career because they lost by 48 to what could be a regional-bound team. In fact, some of the best nostalgic sports stories I have with friends from our high school days were the moments where we got absolutely pounded. If it means Pleasant exacts revenge someday, fine. Let them work hard to rise up to that task. Your saying Pleasant's coach is a vengeful person? More insults I'm going to be explicitly clear here since I have noticed on more than one occasion that you imply the worst out of what I say to the point of putting words in my mouth: I categorically do not respect the way you conduct yourself on this website. Your information and analysis is valued, but the personal attacks are absolutely off-base. "More insults." Where was my first insult? Where did I state that a team wishing to beat Shelby in turn after losing to them by 48 come off as vengeful? Vengeful?? Isn't that a MUCH stronger word for what I was describing? There is a moderately calm inference between a team wanting to "get revenge" (oooo, the horror!) on another team and spitefully wishing VENGEANCE on them. Good grief. Who is the person who hunts down what folks say on here and calls them liars? Turns their words into insults? Accuses them of racism (as you have done on here to me last year)? I've yet to have a problem with anyone else on this site in those terms, and if I have to the point where I saw fault, I made an effort to reconcile. Learn how to read a post without turning it into an attack. If you think everything is an attack, then the problem isn't ME.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 22, 2021 15:29:09 GMT -5
Shelby's previous record of 111 points came in 1957 when they held Willard to under 50 points. I don't know what the culture about running up the score was back then, but it certainly isn't THAT new of a phenomena. I saw Willard also gave up 100 to Crestline that season. Not a banner year for the Flashes, it seems. I hadn't checked crawfordcountybasketball.com for that season. My knowledge of the game came from the Shelby Daily Globe.
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Post by jvchesster on Feb 23, 2021 9:56:25 GMT -5
To score over 85 points in a blowout is ridiculous. Slow the game down and the other team won’t score 70. If your playing a team as bad as your Jv team why bother pressing? If anything call the press off when you get up 20. Ridiculous that people are defending this. Shelby is a good team. They don’t need to score over 100 points against a bad team to prove it.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 23, 2021 10:18:52 GMT -5
rr11, how did I put the word "revenge" in your mouth? If a high school sports team exacts revenge, it would be at the auspices of the head coach. A head coach should down play any thoughts of revenge, as it is one of the worst human traits. Wanting to win a game against a team you have lost to before, be it by a small or large margin, should not be called revenge. A better choice of words and thought could have been considered.
"If your enemy is hungry feed him, if he is thirsty give him a drink."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 11:34:47 GMT -5
Your saying Pleasant's coach is a vengeful person? More insults I'm going to be explicitly clear here since I have noticed on more than one occasion that you imply the worst out of what I say to the point of putting words in my mouth: I categorically do not respect the way you conduct yourself on this website. Your information and analysis is valued, but the personal attacks are absolutely off-base. "More insults." Where was my first insult? Where did I state that a team wishing to beat Shelby in turn after losing to them by 48 come off as vengeful? Vengeful?? Isn't that a MUCH stronger word for what I was describing? There is a moderately calm inference between a team wanting to "get revenge" (oooo, the horror!) on another team and spitefully wishing VENGEANCE on them. Good grief. Who is the person who hunts down what folks say on here and calls them liars? Turns their words into insults? Accuses them of racism (as you have done on here to me last year)? I've yet to have a problem with anyone else on this site in those terms, and if I have to the point where I saw fault, I made an effort to reconcile. Learn how to read a post without turning it into an attack. If you think everything is an attack, then the problem isn't ME. Amen!
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Post by heresjim on Feb 23, 2021 12:47:07 GMT -5
rr11, how did I put the word "revenge" in your mouth? If a high school sports team exacts revenge, it would be at the auspices of the head coach. A head coach should down play any thoughts of revenge, as it is one of the worst human traits. Wanting to win a game against a team you have lost to before, be it by a small or large margin, should not be called revenge. A better choice of words and thought could have been considered. "If your enemy is hungry feed him, if he is thirsty give him a drink." He is literally asking you to give him the benefit of the doubt like everyone else on this site would like you to do. Everyone knows language has penumbra, so why try to always assume the worst or interpret words in the worst possible way? A team enacting revenge later in time doesn't imply any mentality of the coach or the players. They could approach the next game normally, win by 50, and the win could be perceived as a revenge game after the fact with no vengeance required.
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Post by dude on Feb 23, 2021 13:35:40 GMT -5
Your saying Pleasant's coach is a vengeful person? More insults I'm going to be explicitly clear here since I have noticed on more than one occasion that you imply the worst out of what I say to the point of putting words in my mouth: I categorically do not respect the way you conduct yourself on this website. Your information and analysis is valued, but the personal attacks are absolutely off-base. "More insults." Where was my first insult? Where did I state that a team wishing to beat Shelby in turn after losing to them by 48 come off as vengeful? Vengeful?? Isn't that a MUCH stronger word for what I was describing? There is a moderately calm inference between a team wanting to "get revenge" (oooo, the horror!) on another team and spitefully wishing VENGEANCE on them. Good grief. Who is the person who hunts down what folks say on here and calls them liars? Turns their words into insults? Accuses them of racism (as you have done on here to me last year)? I've yet to have a problem with anyone else on this site in those terms, and if I have to the point where I saw fault, I made an effort to reconcile. Learn how to read a post without turning it into an attack. If you think everything is an attack, then the problem isn't ME. He is a grumpy old man in his 70s stuck in his house and cannot get up to his Arcadia area lake house.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 23, 2021 14:31:54 GMT -5
Says the Octogenarian that admits to seeing high school games played in the mid 50's?? WAY before my time.
Not grumpy, not in 70's, get out of the house multiple times per week, have been to the "lake house" 4 times since the pandemic hit and will be back in May to open for the summer. How many untruths is that in one sentence?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 23, 2021 14:36:02 GMT -5
rr11, how did I put the word "revenge" in your mouth? If a high school sports team exacts revenge, it would be at the auspices of the head coach. A head coach should down play any thoughts of revenge, as it is one of the worst human traits. Wanting to win a game against a team you have lost to before, be it by a small or large margin, should not be called revenge. A better choice of words and thought could have been considered. "If your enemy is hungry feed him, if he is thirsty give him a drink." He is literally asking you to give him the benefit of the doubt like everyone else on this site would like you to do. Everyone knows language has penumbra, so why try to always assume the worst or interpret words in the worst possible way? A team enacting revenge later in time doesn't imply any mentality of the coach or the players. They could approach the next game normally, win by 50, and the win could be perceived as a revenge game after the fact with no vengeance required. "Penumbra"? Not according to Websters. While at it look up "revenge". English minors are sticklers for exactitude.
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Post by heresjim on Feb 23, 2021 16:23:03 GMT -5
He is literally asking you to give him the benefit of the doubt like everyone else on this site would like you to do. Everyone knows language has penumbra, so why try to always assume the worst or interpret words in the worst possible way? A team enacting revenge later in time doesn't imply any mentality of the coach or the players. They could approach the next game normally, win by 50, and the win could be perceived as a revenge game after the fact with no vengeance required. "Penumbra"? Not according to Websters. While at it look up "revenge". English minors are sticklers for exactitude. See, you did it again. I used the word "penumbra" to highlight a characteristic of language. Sometimes there is core meaning which we all (mostly) agree upon, but language mostly can be interpreted beyond its core definition (which I imagine as the "grey" shading beyond the core meaning). There is such thing as informal use of language, and there is no mandate that people need to do otherwise. If there is a misunderstanding, you talk it out with the goal of having a fruitful discussion. When you make it your goal to make people look bad/stupid/uninformed rather than make it your goal to have a pleasant conversation, people are going to get annoyed. I doubt you constantly berate people in real life about their word choice or bad faith interpretations of what they are saying. Why do it here?
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 23, 2021 17:13:37 GMT -5
I’m getting my popcorn. It’s about to get entertaining.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 23, 2021 20:29:21 GMT -5
"Penumbra"? Not according to Websters. While at it look up "revenge". English minors are sticklers for exactitude. See, you did it again. I used the word "penumbra" to highlight a characteristic of language. Sometimes there is core meaning which we all (mostly) agree upon, but language mostly can be interpreted beyond its core definition (which I imagine as the "grey" shading beyond the core meaning). There is such thing as informal use of language, and there is no mandate that people need to do otherwise. If there is a misunderstanding, you talk it out with the goal of having a fruitful discussion. When you make it your goal to make people look bad/stupid/uninformed rather than make it your goal to have a pleasant conversation, people are going to get annoyed. I doubt you constantly berate people in real life about their word choice or bad faith interpretations of what they are saying. Why do it here? If you can use an astronomy term in this realm, I certainly can use frenulum to describe your intent.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 23, 2021 20:31:44 GMT -5
Ontario 49, Bellevue 36. Bellevue with 19 turnovers.
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Post by heresjim on Feb 23, 2021 21:05:31 GMT -5
Your saying Pleasant's coach is a vengeful person? More insults I'm going to be explicitly clear here since I have noticed on more than one occasion that you imply the worst out of what I say to the point of putting words in my mouth: I categorically do not respect the way you conduct yourself on this website. Your information and analysis is valued, but the personal attacks are absolutely off-base. "More insults." Where was my first insult? Where did I state that a team wishing to beat Shelby in turn after losing to them by 48 come off as vengeful? Vengeful?? Isn't that a MUCH stronger word for what I was describing? There is a moderately calm inference between a team wanting to "get revenge" (oooo, the horror!) on another team and spitefully wishing VENGEANCE on them. Good grief. Who is the person who hunts down what folks say on here and calls them liars? Turns their words into insults? Accuses them of racism (as you have done on here to me last year)? I've yet to have a problem with anyone else on this site in those terms, and if I have to the point where I saw fault, I made an effort to reconcile. Learn how to read a post without turning it into an attack. If you think everything is an attack, then the problem isn't ME. I tried helping. It seems our intentions are frenulum I'm afraid (you interpret that how you may). Good luck getting through to him next time.
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Post by whippetfan on Feb 24, 2021 14:22:56 GMT -5
I'm going to be explicitly clear here since I have noticed on more than one occasion that you imply the worst out of what I say to the point of putting words in my mouth: I categorically do not respect the way you conduct yourself on this website. Your information and analysis is valued, but the personal attacks are absolutely off-base. "More insults." Where was my first insult? Where did I state that a team wishing to beat Shelby in turn after losing to them by 48 come off as vengeful? Vengeful?? Isn't that a MUCH stronger word for what I was describing? There is a moderately calm inference between a team wanting to "get revenge" (oooo, the horror!) on another team and spitefully wishing VENGEANCE on them. Good grief. Who is the person who hunts down what folks say on here and calls them liars? Turns their words into insults? Accuses them of racism (as you have done on here to me last year)? I've yet to have a problem with anyone else on this site in those terms, and if I have to the point where I saw fault, I made an effort to reconcile. Learn how to read a post without turning it into an attack. If you think everything is an attack, then the problem isn't ME. I tried helping. It seems our intentions are frenulum I'm afraid (you interpret that how you may). Good luck getting through to him next time. And this is exactly why I don’t post a bunch of information on here. I only say things that I would say if I was having a drink with any of you. I don’t need someone to read into what I was saying or twist my words. I don’t have endless amounts of time to get into shouting matches on a message board.
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