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Post by GHS 1999 on May 3, 2021 8:31:58 GMT -5
The thing about Mid Ohio Athletic Conference is it very much fits a large geographic area. Even if it has changed dramatically, it has happened over a period of time so it’s not a big deal. Regarding BV, I was sorry to see them leave. It is not difficult to get to the school and it’s not all that far away. It never made sense to me either when they left. But it was their decision and now they have to live with it.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on May 3, 2021 20:47:18 GMT -5
Changing the name of a conference is a big hassle. You have to pay a lawyer to get it registered with the State of Ohio and put together an entirely new conference name, logos, constitution, bylaws, stationary, etc. Then on top of paying for all that, you then have to get ALL of it agreed to and approved by the OHSAA. It's a pain and the rear and a waste of money. And a process. They are wise to keep the name, and not deal with all that wasted money and hassle. A lot of this was slipping my mind during my post, so your response clears up a bit. I think a trivia-esque point remains: how many leagues in Ohio have gone through a dramatic change like the MOAC in such a short time? From 2012 to 2018, the MOAC went from ten charter members to two. Highland returning brings a third back home. I'm not including those big monolith conferences like the defunct Northeast Ohio Conference, the Ohio Capital Conference, and the SBC, since that seems like a different category than what the MOAC has been going through. I'm not quite sure how often it happens like the MOAC. We always talk about conferences that need to be proactive and opportunistic, and the MOAC seemed to have all that with a lot of luck. As an aside, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me how the folks at Buckeye Valley were that many degrees of separation from realizing that Columbus traffic was not their friend in that decision. It seems awfully quick to call for the end of Pleasant as we know it as well. Before 2020, they made the playoffs four years in a row with two victories in those trips. Hardly anything out of their usual production. Buckeye Valley has the Delaware-upside of growing someday, but I would rather be playing Pleasant for quality of talent. If I had my wild choice, I'd like to see how the Jonathan Alder drive is for a while. I went to a home playoff game of theirs in 2019 and they had Chick-Fil-A at the concessions. Seems like a good reason to get them back in the MOAC. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 4, 2021 11:57:05 GMT -5
You have forgotten THE single biggest reason for the changes to the MOAC, that have brought us to today. AND it wasn't all that long ago.  In 2013, for reasons that only 4 years later were deemed poor judgement, the MOAC expanded from 10 schools to 14. Four years later 7 schools left. Within 2 years, 2 more schools left. The truth of the matter is that Galion and 3 Richland county schools saved the MOAC from extinction. Most who are honest knew that Jonathon Alder used the MOAC as a stop gap measure until a better destination presented itself. As they had a 5 year plan to go elsewhere. Which shows that a school will do just about anything in desperation to avoid being an Independent. Just as desperate as what a league will do to avoid having an odd number of schools |
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Post by runawaytrain on May 5, 2021 14:12:47 GMT -5
Actually you couldn't be more wrong about Alder. They had no 5-year plan - their AD at the time was way too lazy for something like that. Their leaving was a culmination of two things:
1. The rest of the MOAC schools seemed to leave them in the dark about possible upcoming moves - they felt like the league was leaving them, heading north, and they'd be left in the dust.
2. At the same time, they got an offer from the CBC which included the addition of their biggest rival, London.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 5, 2021 22:59:15 GMT -5
JA is a suburb of Columbus on it's west side, they never had any intention of staying in the MOAC. As you so eloquently proved, by saying as soon as they had a chance to be in a league with their biggest rival, even further to the south, they were gone.
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Post by pirate80 on May 6, 2021 6:05:00 GMT -5
JA is a suburb of Columbus on it's west side, they never had any intention of staying in the MOAC. As you so eloquently proved, by saying as soon as they had a chance to be in a league with their biggest rival, even further to the south, they were gone. I wouldn't quite call Plain City a suburb of Columbus just yet. The area is building up but it's still pretty rural out there. |
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Post by wallpass on May 6, 2021 10:28:37 GMT -5
My understanding is the N10 is voting on June 13 as to whether or not to add Pleasant and Willard to the conference. I also hear Pleasant had decided on a coach who was an assistant at Massillon and former head coach elsewhere but when he did his due diligence he decided to turn it down so they had to start over. One thing that will not help them this year is their non-conference games. For a school that is struggling to compete with the top teams in the MOAC, they did not give them any cupcake games. North Union, Wynford and D3 Whitehall (not always good but usually very athletic, which is what has plagued Pleasant the past few years) plus the meat grinder MOAC schedule may see Pleasant with their worst record in decades if they don't get the right coach in quickly.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 6, 2021 12:53:26 GMT -5
JA is a suburb of Columbus on it's west side, they never had any intention of staying in the MOAC. As you so eloquently proved, by saying as soon as they had a chance to be in a league with their biggest rival, even further to the south, they were gone. I wouldn't quite call Plain City a suburb of Columbus just yet. The area is building up but it's still pretty rural out there. They're closer to the city limits of Columbus than Delaware and it is solid metropolitan area between Columbus and Delaware. The next outer belt of Columbus will abut Plain City. By 2050 the population of the Columbus Metro area is projected to be 3 million almost double of what it is now. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 6, 2021 13:06:23 GMT -5
My understanding is the N10 is voting on June 13 as to whether or not to add Pleasant and Willard to the conference. I also hear Pleasant had decided on a coach who was an assistant at Massillon and former head coach elsewhere but when he did his due diligence he decided to turn it down so they had to start over. One thing that will not help them this year is their non-conference games. For a school that is struggling to compete with the top teams in the MOAC, they did not give them any cupcake games. North Union, Wynford and D3 Whitehall (not always good but usually very athletic, which is what has plagued Pleasant the past few years) plus the meat grinder MOAC schedule may see Pleasant with their worst record in decades if they don't get the right coach in quickly. This will make a much larger footprint for the N-10. The travel for both Pleasant and Willard will be significantly more in the N-10 than in their current leagues. The price willing to pay, but not admitted to, when seeking smaller schools to play. |
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Post by dude on May 7, 2021 7:20:11 GMT -5
My understanding is the N10 is voting on June 13 as to whether or not to add Pleasant and Willard to the conference. I also hear Pleasant had decided on a coach who was an assistant at Massillon and former head coach elsewhere but when he did his due diligence he decided to turn it down so they had to start over. One thing that will not help them this year is their non-conference games. For a school that is struggling to compete with the top teams in the MOAC, they did not give them any cupcake games. North Union, Wynford and D3 Whitehall (not always good but usually very athletic, which is what has plagued Pleasant the past few years) plus the meat grinder MOAC schedule may see Pleasant with their worst record in decades if they don't get the right coach in quickly. Finding the right coach can be tough this time of year. |
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Post by wallacefan on May 9, 2021 13:57:45 GMT -5
Pleasant has their new Head Football Coach, the former HC at Defiance (from their Twitter):
"Pleasant High School’s new Head Football Coach Kevin Kline will be at 6AM weightlifting tomorrow morning. Players, be sure to be there to meet Coach Kline."
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Post by pirate80 on May 9, 2021 14:34:00 GMT -5
Pleasant has their new Head Football Coach, the former HC at Defiance (from their Twitter): "Pleasant High School’s new Head Football Coach Kevin Kline will be at 6AM weightlifting tomorrow morning. Players, be sure to be there to meet Coach Kline." Any background? Not familiar with the Defiance program. Harding filled yet? |
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Post by 4 on May 9, 2021 19:53:27 GMT -5
Keep seeing fb posts about how Harding got a good football hire as they did basketball, just not seeing any names though.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 8:00:50 GMT -5
My understanding is the N10 is voting on June 13 as to whether or not to add Pleasant and Willard to the conference. I also hear Pleasant had decided on a coach who was an assistant at Massillon and former head coach elsewhere but when he did his due diligence he decided to turn it down so they had to start over. One thing that will not help them this year is their non-conference games. For a school that is struggling to compete with the top teams in the MOAC, they did not give them any cupcake games. North Union, Wynford and D3 Whitehall (not always good but usually very athletic, which is what has plagued Pleasant the past few years) plus the meat grinder MOAC schedule may see Pleasant with their worst record in decades if they don't get the right coach in quickly. This will make a much larger footprint for the N-10. The travel for both Pleasant and Willard will be significantly more in the N-10 than in their current leagues. The price willing to pay, but not admitted to, when seeking smaller schools to play. from what I understand, this travel component, is why Pleasant specifically and also likely willard will not be admitted into the league |
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Post by runawaytrain on May 10, 2021 9:10:15 GMT -5
Very underwhelming hire for Pleasant.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 10, 2021 14:14:28 GMT -5
This will make a much larger footprint for the N-10. The travel for both Pleasant and Willard will be significantly more in the N-10 than in their current leagues. The price willing to pay, but not admitted to, when seeking smaller schools to play. from what I understand, this travel component, is why Pleasant specifically and also likely willard will not be admitted into the league They'd rather have Galion and Ontario back? From a competitive stand point are there 2 closer schools than Willard and Pleasant? |
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 10, 2021 15:46:18 GMT -5
from what I understand, this travel component, is why Pleasant specifically and also likely willard will not be admitted into the league They'd rather have Galion and Ontario back? From a competitive stand point are there 2 closer schools than Willard and Pleasant? Really, the two teams they forced out! Well that’s justice if true |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 10, 2021 17:08:49 GMT -5
Sorry, should have used  . It was meant as a hey....who better than Pleasant and Willard. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 19:15:33 GMT -5
from what I understand, this travel component, is why Pleasant specifically and also likely willard will not be admitted into the league They'd rather have Galion and Ontario back? From a competitive stand point are there 2 closer schools than Willard and Pleasant? I get where you are coming from, I am saying I have it on good authority the odds of pleasant getting in aren't good, mostly on a travel component. I can see Willard, but... would they want a partner with them because it makes FB scheduling easier? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 10, 2021 22:03:36 GMT -5
U are 100% correct. If the travel to Pleasant is a deal breaker for the northern N-10 schools, then Willard makes 9 is out of the question. If what you say is true, then the N-10 will always be 8 schools. Unless they'd take Galion back, to go with Willard, but then Willard would have another difficult football game. The reason they want out of the SBC. If only Willard could just play football in the River Division. They'd be happy as a bunch of celery. |
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Post by moacmama on May 16, 2021 16:46:24 GMT -5
Actually you couldn't be more wrong about Alder. They had no 5-year plan - their AD at the time was way too lazy for something like that. Their leaving was a culmination of two things: 1. The rest of the MOAC schools seemed to leave them in the dark about possible upcoming moves - they felt like the league was leaving them, heading north, and they'd be left in the dust. 2. At the same time, they got an offer from the CBC which included the addition of their biggest rival, London. JA actually went in a year before London. Replaced Greenon. Made it an even 10 teams although they were down from 12 (Stebbins, Tippecanoe) London and NU went in a year later. They had to have one another to get in, would not been accepted without one another. They replaced Stebbins and Tippecanoe. Agree with Alder not having a 5 year plan. IMO they will not get into the OCC any time soon-too much of an outlayer but they do enjoy the open enrollment benefits from Hilliard. Now they have a new AD with CBC ties. Plus they are pretty successful in the CBC. I've always heard in the past Cardington wants back in the MOAC but it's been a few years since I heard that. |
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Post by pirate80 on May 17, 2021 20:32:46 GMT -5
I can't see a scenario that Cardington would want back in the MOAC. Especially with all of the big schools (comparatively) that are in there now. If it was the original MOAC, yes.
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Post by 4 on May 20, 2021 10:31:07 GMT -5
Harding hired Demetrius Ross as the next football coach. Experience is some semi pro coaching I believe. Owns a company that helps teenagers through sports and other aspects. Former alumni. On paper it does not look like a great hire but I think it could be a guy that connects with the kids better than slater and others in past. Simple, the team just has to utilize athletes as they’ve failed to do.
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Post by wallpass on Jun 9, 2021 13:15:26 GMT -5
Pleasant is now looking for a new A.D. as Eric Holman is heading to Wynford. I don't know exactly what is going on at Pleasant but there are some serious problems that need dealt with as there has been a mass exodus of teachers from the high school.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 14:35:29 GMT -5
Pleasant is now looking for a new A.D. as Eric Holman is heading to Wynford. I don't know exactly what is going on at Pleasant but there are some serious problems that need dealt with as there has been a mass exodus of teachers from the high school. Usually a management issue when people leave in droves. Did previous coach leave to another school as well? |
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Post by wallpass on Jun 9, 2021 19:29:31 GMT -5
No previous coach is still there but decided to step down on his own.
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Post by spartyfan on Jun 14, 2021 16:14:02 GMT -5
Pleasant is now looking for a new A.D. as Eric Holman is heading to Wynford. I don't know exactly what is going on at Pleasant but there are some serious problems that need dealt with as there has been a mass exodus of teachers from the high school. Why did Holman leave? Why are teachers and coaches leaving? |
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Post by richrod on Jun 16, 2021 20:15:45 GMT -5
well back to the 2021 MOAC. I'd still like to think that Shelby is the odds on favorite. They get back plenty enough to win this league. I am not sold this league is overly solid top to bottom yet, but it may just be a cycle too.
As for Galion, who comes in at QB? That will be a big piece to fill, Frankhouse made a ton of plays for them and kept things alive at QB.
CF ever finally solidfy a coaching staff, I had read on here and heard that was an issue right now. Still wouldn't count them out. Will be interesting to see if they go back to the spread or stick with the unbalanced stuff.
Pleasant will be interesting with all the changes in staff over there.
Ontario should be down but in the middle of the pack, I would love to see them build on the success they had last year.
Marion Harding... I really can't speak on them much
River Valley should be solid.
My early summer predictions
Shelby
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Galion
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Ontario
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Pleasant
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jun 16, 2021 20:42:36 GMT -5
What Galion does at QB will be interesting. The JV quarterback last year is short. Athletic as he is a wrestler. They have a solid line coming back I have heard they may try to run more of a wing t offense with the lead wide receiver under center. This would be a departure from anything that Coaches Dick and Marshall have ever ran so we shall see. I think the above scenario involving the order of teams in the league is very plausible based on what we know right now. Galion is 7-3, 6-4 team this year and will be even better in 2022 and 2023. They have a solid sophomore class coming back.
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Post by spartyfan on Jun 16, 2021 22:26:02 GMT -5
well back to the 2021 MOAC. I'd still like to think that Shelby is the odds on favorite. They get back plenty enough to win this league. I am not sold this league is overly solid top to bottom yet, but it may just be a cycle too. As for Galion, who comes in at QB? That will be a big piece to fill, Frankhouse made a ton of plays for them and kept things alive at QB. CF ever finally solidfy a coaching staff, I had read on here and heard that was an issue right now. Still wouldn't count them out. Will be interesting to see if they go back to the spread or stick with the unbalanced stuff. Pleasant will be interesting with all the changes in staff over there. Ontario should be down but in the middle of the pack, I would love to see them build on the success they had last year. Marion Harding... I really can't speak on them much River Valley should be solid. My early summer predictions Shelby RV Galion CF Ontario Harding Pleasant Shelby is tops in League again. After that anyone’s guess. Harding has a lot of players in top grades from what I have heard. River Valley should be very solid again. Galion is dark horse and could make some noise. My grandson recently moved over there for work and hearing good things about their young kids. Pleasant returns a ton, but not sure about new coach and staff. Don’t know much other than he has a losing record in past jobs. Should all be fun to watch and See play out. Don’t know about Ontario or the fork. Good luck to all schools! |
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. It was meant as a hey....who better than Pleasant and Willard.
