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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 25, 2022 21:28:04 GMT -5
Boys count for football only. Others are combined boys and girls. Don't use different counts for boys and girls basketball? Boys and girls soccer? Boys and girls cross country? Boys and girls tennis? Boys and girls golf?
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 25, 2022 21:39:36 GMT -5
Boys count for football only. Others are combined boys and girls. Don't use different counts for boys and girls basketball? Boys and girls soccer? Boys and girls cross country? Boys and girls tennis? Boys and girls golf? Not from what I understand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 21:48:29 GMT -5
[b It's boys count they use for boys sports The number 194 was the count for boys in the HS this year. It's the number that I am pretty sure will be used for SBC football realignment and also the number the state will use when combined with CB to establish divisions in all boys sports.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2022 15:34:57 GMT -5
Don't use different counts for boys and girls basketball? Boys and girls soccer? Boys and girls cross country? Boys and girls tennis? Boys and girls golf? Not from what I understand. From what I understand it would be considered sexist to use boys counts for girls sports. Let me ask, then why does the OHSAA use girls enrollment numbers to determine competitive balance numbers for girls sports? Then there's the problem for all girl schools, where do they get boys numbers to use??
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2022 15:40:13 GMT -5
The number 194 was the count for boys in the HS this year. It's the number that I am pretty sure will be used for SBC football realignment and also the number the state will use when combined with CB to establish divisions in all boys sports. Actually the 194 does not count the Seniors this year, as those boys will not be in the high school next year, just the bottom 3 grades were counted on October 31 of 2021, as they move up to be in the top 3 grades next year. No wonder the SBC is having realignment issues , like sending Willard down to the River for football. When there are 3 other schools with fewer boys, 2 of which have significantly less.
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 26, 2022 16:36:37 GMT -5
Not from what I understand. From what I understand it would be considered sexist to use boys counts for girls sports. Let me ask, then why does the OHSAA use girls enrollment numbers to determine competitive balance numbers for girls sports? Then there's the problem for all girl schools, where do they get boys numbers to use?? Just answering your questions as I know them. Not defending any side of it.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 26, 2022 19:56:12 GMT -5
You really need to read the OHSAA website in your spare time.
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Post by sbclives on Feb 27, 2022 1:29:57 GMT -5
Not sure who you heard it from that they combine boys and girls to see what division you’re in was way off and had no clue what they were talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2022 12:12:52 GMT -5
The number 194 was the count for boys in the HS this year. It's the number that I am pretty sure will be used for SBC football realignment and also the number the state will use when combined with CB to establish divisions in all boys sports. Actually the 194 does not count the Seniors this year, as those boys will not be in the high school next year, just the bottom 3 grades were counted on October 31 of 2021, as they move up to be in the top 3 grades next year. No wonder the SBC is having realignment issues , like sending Willard down to the River for football. When there are 3 other schools with fewer boys, 2 of which have significantly less. Yeah I assumed everyone here knew it was grades 9-11 that were in the count. Sbc will have alignment problems because they cater to different schools wishes and they pick and choose when they do. It's happened since this mega league started. That being said, it will survive more changes purely based on numbers. That being said, if Willard hasn't improved in FB in two years, do they dig in on not moving to the Bay from the river?
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 27, 2022 16:58:10 GMT -5
Unrelated but related, has anyone else ever noticed that nearly every school in the state has a higher enrollment for girls as they do boys?
I think it's related to the fact that birthrates are technically a little higher for boys? That and how boys are more likely to...not be in school? Not sure entirely.
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Post by wetsu on Feb 27, 2022 19:49:13 GMT -5
Unrelated but related, has anyone else ever noticed that nearly every school in the state has a higher enrollment for girls as they do boys?
I think it's related to the fact that birthrates are technically a little higher for boys? That and how boys are more likely to...not be in school? Not sure entirely. Not St. Ignatius... I'll let myself out. The point you make about the possibility of boys not being in school is an angle I never thought of. If you are correct about birthrates and attendance then something explains it.
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 27, 2022 19:56:24 GMT -5
Not sure who you heard it from that they combine boys and girls to see what division you’re in was way off and had no clue what they were talking about. For the SBC, it’s combined for all except football. OHSAA is separate.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 27, 2022 21:10:51 GMT -5
Unrelated but related, has anyone else ever noticed that nearly every school in the state has a higher enrollment for girls as they do boys?
I think it's related to the fact that birthrates are technically a little higher for boys? That and how boys are more likely to...not be in school? Not sure entirely. Not St. Ignatius... I'll let myself out. The point you make about the possibility of boys not being in school is an angle I never thought of. If you are correct about birthrates and attendance then something explains it. I apologize for my incorrect phrasing. I meant to say that most every school has MORE BOYS than girls. As far as birthrates go, I read something years ago that formed my opinion on it. Basically, boys are more likely to be born with hereditary issues due to the XY chromosome situation. Color-blindness is a surface example of this. The article seemed to imply that because boys are born with more genetic issues due to the XY chromosomes, they are more likely to die compared to the average girl. The human race compensates by birthing more boys than girls...or so I understood. If you check enrollment from schools as big as Centerville to Buckeye Central, there is almost always an excess of men in the schools than girls. Even if boys venture off more into the workforce at a younger age, there is an undeniable edge to boy population than girls in the schools in Ohio.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 27, 2022 21:25:16 GMT -5
Here is a list defined by the excess number of boys in enrollment counts than girls:
Shelby: +8 (51.2% to 49.8%) Ontario: +19 (51.9% to 49.1%) Galion: +22 (52.8% to 47.2%) Clear Fork: +26 (52.0% to 48.0%) Pleasant: +17 (53.1% to 46.9%) River Valley: +5 (50.6% to 49.4%) Highland -12 (48.6% to 51.4%) MH: +9 (50.5% to 49.5%)
Here are SBC schools:
Bellevue: +36 (54.1% to 45.9%) Tiffin: +8 (50.6% to 49.4%) Clyde: +15 (52.0% to 48.0%) Norwalk: +38 (52.9% to 47.1%) Perkins: +27 (53.8% to 46.2%) Sandusky: -29 (48.0% to 52.0%)
Here are some other schools to justify my thoughts here.
Mentor: +24 (50.7% to 49.3%) Mason: +49 (51.0% to 49.0%) Dublin Coffman: +99 (53.6% to 46.4%) Buckeye Central: +18 (56.1% to 43.9%)
It really doesn't matter where you go in Ohio. 9/10, the boys will outnumber the girls in a school, public or co-ed private.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 27, 2022 21:47:08 GMT -5
Unrelated but related, has anyone else ever noticed that nearly every school in the state has a higher enrollment for girls as they do boys? I think it's related to the fact that birthrates are technically a little higher for boys? That and how boys are more likely to...not be in school? Not sure entirely. For biologic reasons there are more boys born than girls. For every 100 girls born, there will be on average 105 boys. Not just in Ohio, but around the world.
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Post by maplecityjake on Feb 28, 2022 0:43:29 GMT -5
Bellevue is +36 because it doesn't have Soccer. Girls are more involved with this sport.
ok, I'm done
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Post by dude on Feb 28, 2022 7:32:49 GMT -5
Does the SBC have different alignments for boys and girls?
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 15, 2022 19:12:34 GMT -5
i think the way the SBC is setup is stupid personally.. instead of doing it by enrollment why don't you just do it by programs
what would really make sense for football? what would make sense for wrestling? what would make sense for basketball..ect ect..
we are all in the SBC ok ?
lets do an example... for football... have a league of.. Willard, Margaretta, Vermilion, Hopewell, Lakota, Woodmore, Calvert, Gibsonburg
Now who is the best 8? Clyde, Tiffin, Bellevue, Sandusky? Huron? Port Clinton? Norwalk? figure out the best 8 and who is in the middle.. ect ect.
have at least a two year hold..and reevaluate ..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 7:33:52 GMT -5
i think the way the SBC is setup is stupid personally.. instead of doing it by enrollment why don't you just do it by programs what would really make sense for football? what would make sense for wrestling? what would make sense for basketball..ect ect.. we are all in the SBC ok ? lets do an example... for football... have a league of.. Willard, Margaretta, Vermilion, Hopewell, Lakota, Woodmore, Calvert, Gibsonburg Now who is the best 8? Clyde, Tiffin, Bellevue, Sandusky? Huron? Port Clinton? Norwalk? figure out the best 8 and who is in the middle.. ect ect. have at least a two year hold..and reevaluate .. great outside of the box idea. I feel like the league will have to keep doing creative things to keep everyone happy. Eventually though, I see the Bay and Lake merging in all sports, whether its because a team or two leave, or they get tired of trying to redo football schedules every 2 years if schools enrollment change enough to force changes in the divisions. At the end of the day, that has to be where this ends, no?
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 16, 2022 8:15:54 GMT -5
i think the way the SBC is setup is stupid personally.. instead of doing it by enrollment why don't you just do it by programs what would really make sense for football? They did kind of do this by deciding to divide the 18 schools into an 8-5-5 breakdown instead of a nice even 6-6-6. They know the Willard and Lakota programs don't really fit in the Bay based on current program status (which is where they'd be if it was 6-6-6), so it has been arranged that they play in the River. Though to your point the biggest one they could have/should have changed to fit your premise is Bellevue and Perkins, especially since the enrollment question came down to a tiebreaker. Perkins fits in the Bay much better than Bellevue based both on current program status and historical ties to the other schools.
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Post by todd on Mar 16, 2022 8:49:55 GMT -5
Heard a rumor that Arcadia is trying to join the River. Anyone else hear this? Would that change anything for Bellevue and Willard dropping down?
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Post by sbclives on Mar 16, 2022 11:59:12 GMT -5
Heard a rumor that Arcadia is trying to join the River. Anyone else hear this? Would that change anything for Bellevue and Willard dropping down? Been hearing that for a while but it’s gone a little quiet so I’m sure we will hear more in a couple months along with other moves. I also think the Bay and Lake should just pick 8 teams and move forward as a league with those 8. Huron and Edison have become to small and no way would be in a league with Columbian and Sandusky. Huron and Edison might need to go their own way but is there really any options for them two?
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Post by kingmartinez on Mar 16, 2022 13:07:49 GMT -5
i think the way the SBC is setup is stupid personally.. instead of doing it by enrollment why don't you just do it by programs what would really make sense for football? They did kind of do this by deciding to divide the 18 schools into an 8-5-5 breakdown instead of a nice even 6-6-6. They know the Willard and Lakota programs don't really fit in the Bay based on current program status (which is where they'd be if it was 6-6-6), so it has been arranged that they play in the River. Though to your point the biggest one they could have/should have changed to fit your premise is Bellevue and Perkins, especially since the enrollment question came down to a tiebreaker. Perkins fits in the Bay much better than Bellevue based both on current program status and historical ties to the other schools. It wasn't a tiebreaker. Perkins was larger than Bellevue. They use the last two enrollment counts average. Close but Perkins was larger.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 16, 2022 14:25:28 GMT -5
i think the way the SBC is setup is stupid personally.. instead of doing it by enrollment why don't you just do it by programs what would really make sense for football? what would make sense for wrestling? what would make sense for basketball..ect ect.. we are all in the SBC ok ? lets do an example... for football... have a league of.. Willard, Margaretta, Vermilion, Hopewell, Lakota, Woodmore, Calvert, Gibsonburg Now who is the best 8? Clyde, Tiffin, Bellevue, Sandusky? Huron? Port Clinton? Norwalk? figure out the best 8 and who is in the middle.. ect ect. have at least a two year hold..and reevaluate .. Then, Vermilion could be just as happy as Willard
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Post by sbclives on Mar 16, 2022 14:56:26 GMT -5
i think the way the SBC is setup is stupid personally.. instead of doing it by enrollment why don't you just do it by programs what would really make sense for football? what would make sense for wrestling? what would make sense for basketball..ect ect.. we are all in the SBC ok ? lets do an example... for football... have a league of.. Willard, Margaretta, Vermilion, Hopewell, Lakota, Woodmore, Calvert, Gibsonburg Now who is the best 8? Clyde, Tiffin, Bellevue, Sandusky? Huron? Port Clinton? Norwalk? figure out the best 8 and who is in the middle.. ect ect. have at least a two year hold..and reevaluate .. Then, Vermilion could be just as happy as Willard I bet Vermilion would be very happy about paying for all that diesel in the busses for those trips. Lol
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Post by redskinfan04 on Mar 16, 2022 15:38:11 GMT -5
Then, Vermilion could be just as happy as Willard I bet Vermilion would be very happy about paying for all that diesel in the busses for those trips. Lol Wins will make them forget all about the bus rides to the middle of no where.
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 16, 2022 16:33:50 GMT -5
i think the way the SBC is setup is stupid personally.. instead of doing it by enrollment why don't you just do it by programs what would really make sense for football? They did kind of do this by deciding to divide the 18 schools into an 8-5-5 breakdown instead of a nice even 6-6-6. They know the Willard and Lakota programs don't really fit in the Bay based on current program status (which is where they'd be if it was 6-6-6), so it has been arranged that they play in the River. Though to your point the biggest one they could have/should have changed to fit your premise is Bellevue and Perkins, especially since the enrollment question came down to a tiebreaker. Perkins fits in the Bay much better than Bellevue based both on current program status and historical ties to the other schools. Well here is the biggest problem..the entire SBC is football driven. they to be honest could hardly give two poops about the other sports.. and if they did then they would find that balance.. so Willard goes down because they got mad.. is what it boils down to.. yet vermilion is going to have to fold before long if running clocks don't end. of course that is their problem.. drop the stupid enrollment issues and do whats best for each program.. a basketball SBC would be crazy good with Sandusky, Tiffin, Huron, Calvert, Margaretta, ect.. a girls SBC again crazy good with margaretta, bellevue, old fort, ect. MAKE IT COMPETITIVE... you realize that Gilmour Academy is playing in the D-2 state final four with just an enrollment of 150+ and likely to be state runner up? Every 5 years reevaluate or even every couple.. if someone is struggling and someone else id doing well..make a change..
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 16, 2022 17:57:18 GMT -5
Make a change by moving up a River school that has done well for 3 years....first evaluate what the Freshmen and 8th grade classes look like.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 16, 2022 17:59:13 GMT -5
I bet Vermilion would be very happy about paying for all that diesel in the busses for those trips. Lol Wins will make them forget all about the bus rides to the middle of no where. AND would be the biggest help in building a football program
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 16, 2022 21:03:21 GMT -5
It wasn't a tiebreaker. Perkins was larger than Bellevue. They use the last two enrollment counts average. Close but Perkins was larger. They used the last two counts (at that time) for everyone? The article I saw made it sound like the divisions were based on the 2018 count, but since Bellevue and Perkins were tied they looked back to 2016 for just those 2 schools.
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