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Post by falcon87 on Oct 10, 2023 16:37:58 GMT -5
Will Woodmore, Gibsonburg, Lakota, Hopewell-Loudon, and Calvert finally look west for Blanchard Valley or TAAC schools on the loose to form an organized 8 school league? Time for leaving has never been better.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Oct 10, 2023 17:44:44 GMT -5
Will Woodmore, Gibsonburg, Lakota, Hopewell-Loudon, and Calvert finally look west for Blanchard Valley or TAAC schools on the loose to form an organized 8 school league? Time for leaving has never been better. if I'm not mistaken, haven't some done TAAC before?
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Post by wetsu on Oct 10, 2023 19:02:18 GMT -5
Will Woodmore, Gibsonburg, Lakota, Hopewell-Loudon, and Calvert finally look west for Blanchard Valley or TAAC schools on the loose to form an organized 8 school league? Time for leaving has never been better. if I'm not mistaken, haven't some done TAAC before? Calvert and Gibsonburg.
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Post by 419er on Oct 10, 2023 19:35:05 GMT -5
I think the trend will continue being to jump leagues and create leagues for whatever works for those involved. Not saying it's bad or good, but town populations and school enrollments have changed so much that it seems like a majority are hung up on balance and having opportunities to win more than traditional rivalries. Don't some states set up conferences each year based on enrollment?
I do like the idea of a combined Lake and Bay Conference (heck, I like that name too) but I would hope for a full merger. If there are leftovers of smaller division schools, I could see some combination of Huron, Edison, Vermilion, the Firelands Conference, the SBC River, Lorain County League, and Mid-Buckeye schools lead to a few new leagues. I don't think the SBC will continue as it is since they treat it like three separate entities, so that's probably what will happen when they move on.
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Post by runawaytrain on Oct 11, 2023 11:40:10 GMT -5
if I'm not mistaken, haven't some done TAAC before? Calvert and Gibsonburg. And it was a travel nightmare for each, although Calvert moreso than GB. H-L already was in the BVC and it didn't work out. Calvert applied for the BVC when the MAL was on the skids and were turned down. The problem facing the River is once again numbers. I can't see SJCC coming back for varsity next year and SMCC can't even handle 8-man, so there's no way they should be let back in. If the larger SBC schools decided to do something, Margaretta and Willard would have a decision to make. Regardless, next year the River will probably be needing to fill a non-league week because of SJCC.
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Post by dolittle on Oct 11, 2023 12:18:27 GMT -5
Football is the only sport it affects and it is not going away. I would argue that SMCC actually had better numbers than SJCC have. I do beleive SMCC will be back to 11 man very soon.
The Catholic schools have this voucher system now that has expanded that the MAJORITY of applicants get free tuition. So, if i have a choice of Sandusky or Fremont, and i can go to SMCC or SJCC for free, that is the way I would go. SMCC has done a great job of increasing their enrollment, whereas SJCC has not.
The SBC, OVERALL, is much better option than moving on. Football is always going to be an issue.
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Post by sbclives on Oct 11, 2023 14:07:14 GMT -5
Even if SMCC were to bring back 11 man, how long would it be till they go back to 8 man would be the worry I have for opposing schools. I get there will need to be another school to take St. Joes place. I just think there’d be other options out there who’d be more of a permanent replacement.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 11, 2023 14:21:50 GMT -5
Don't some states set up conferences each year based on enrollment? They tend to, yes. If anything, Ohio is a bit on the fringe as to how we do things. In the grand scheme, Ohio has one of the most "free-market" capitalistic versions of HS athletics. Let the free hand make decisions. The reason we get away with it is because we have a lot of population outside of major city centers. I believe 25-30 states in the country possess half of the state population in the metro area of their state capital. Ohio is one of the few states where you can steadily run into a town of 5000-10000 people every 15-20 miles or so. Off the top of my head, I know that Nevada's 8th or 9th biggest city only has around 1500 people. Vegas/Henderson area is multi-million population. Reno is smaller than Akron. Carson City is smaller than Mansfield. The drop-off in population for the next cities after that is remarkable. In Nebraska, something like 70-90% of the population is based in the Omaha area on the east border. Anyway, back to scheduling. I think Pennsylvania/Kentucky tend to be subject to their version of the OHSAA as far as scheduling. I know a bit about Rhode Island's setup. It is very comparable to every other New England/NY/NJ state. The Rhode Island divisions are based on the enrollments of about 40ish schools in the state that have football (same applies to basketball and other sports to an extent). Your schedule is almost entirely against division opponents, with a few weeks open to play who you want. Rhode Island's regular season runs much later than Ohio. It is a state tradition for everyone to play their rival during Thanksgiving week. The "Thanksgiving Game" is a phrase folks are very familiar with out there. Outside of the Thanksgiving Game and another random week, your schedule is entirely against the other schools in your assigned division that the state dictates. A side-note for RI...most schools out there would be D2 or D3 in Ohio football based on enrollment. The state has a little over a million people, which is quite a bit to distribute across 40ish schools. The only truly small schools would be the niche private academies, the coastal/beachfront communities where most are retirees, and the stray school or two that is stuck in the deep woods of RI. Believe it or not, it can take close to 45 minutes to cross 20 miles in Rhode Island if you are starting near Connecticut in the forest. Lots of winding, two-lane roads out there. I'm under the impression that even Texas sets up the schedules for schools based on the district lines that their OHSAA equivalent dictates. I know the "big sky" states like Arizona or Nebraska play who the state says, mainly because there isn't any better way to divvy up schools that are often 2-3 hours from each other.
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Post by sbclives on Oct 11, 2023 15:43:52 GMT -5
I think if we cut up Ohio into 4 pieces that it would be easy to see the NW part of Ohio has seen drastic change to school enrollments just in the last 10 years. There are leagues all over NW Ohio that are growing further apart and are several divisions apart now and needs an overhaul of what used to be practical.
Also, with open enrollments and declining populations there are a lot of schools who are starting to be on the edge of 8 man and some that should be now. I think the OHSAA needs to make it an official sport.
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Post by runawaytrain on Oct 12, 2023 8:11:56 GMT -5
Even if SMCC were to bring back 11 man, how long would it be till they go back to 8 man would be the worry I have for opposing schools. I get there will need to be another school to take St. Joes place. I just think there’d be other options out there who’d be more of a permanent replacement. SMCC numbers are back up a bit because of 8-man, but they don't have any better results. They've beaten Stryker 2x, Sebring and squeaked by Danbury. They've given up 54, 56 and 49 points to the three best teams they've played. If they go back to 11-man and get spanked, and they will, then their numbers will go right back down. Northwood wanted in the River before when SJCC was having football issues. Maybe that's an option again. The problem is they are going to have to nix the double round robin in other sports. It doesn't leave enough non-league game options.
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Post by dc20 on Oct 13, 2023 6:57:36 GMT -5
Any more hearsay on Fostoria heading to the Toledo City League? If so does Port Clinton jump on the opening in the NBC? (If this has been discussed already I apologize).
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Post by runawaytrain on Oct 13, 2023 11:40:49 GMT -5
Any more hearsay on Fostoria heading to the Toledo City League? If so does Port Clinton jump on the opening in the NBC? (If this has been discussed already I apologize). That would be the ultimate low for Fostoria and their athletic budget would take a massive hit at the gates/extra travel.
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Post by Mike Hula on Oct 13, 2023 11:54:51 GMT -5
Any more hearsay on Fostoria heading to the Toledo City League? If so does Port Clinton jump on the opening in the NBC? (If this has been discussed already I apologize). That would be the ultimate low for Fostoria and their athletic budget would take a massive hit at the gates/extra travel. Makes zero sense for them to "move" leagues. It is alomst time for the OHSAA to come in and divide state into districts like PA and set schedules
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Post by sbclives on Oct 13, 2023 15:02:21 GMT -5
Any more hearsay on Fostoria heading to the Toledo City League? If so does Port Clinton jump on the opening in the NBC? (If this has been discussed already I apologize). That would be the ultimate low for Fostoria and their athletic budget would take a massive hit at the gates/extra travel. From a competitive point of view I totally get it and that’s usually the driving force in most decisions made at the high school level. Their gates would be the downside of a move. If it did happen and a spot opened up then PC would be a perfect fit.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 17, 2024 14:06:07 GMT -5
Northwood accepted into the SBC. I’d imagine that’s the end of the TAAC. Also, what happens to Ottawa Hills after this?
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Post by 2112 on Jan 17, 2024 22:01:59 GMT -5
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Post by runawaytrain on Jan 17, 2024 22:29:29 GMT -5
That puts the River at 8 for football and 11 overall. Rumor has it they’ll go to north/south divisions outside of football. Do they add Ottawa Hills as well to make it an even 12? They could bump someone up in football (Willard?).
Calvert Old Fort New Riegel Hopewell-Loudon Lakota Gibsonburg
Woodmore Ottawa Hills SJCC Danbury SMCC Northwood
Something to that effect?
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Post by sbclives on Jan 18, 2024 0:19:57 GMT -5
Those 12 schools should just break off on their own. Looks like a good small school league.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 18, 2024 14:11:32 GMT -5
Sounds like the River will be split into... two smaller divisions.
Route 6 will be the divider with North being SMCC, SJCC, Gibsonburg, Northwood, Danbury, and Woodmore. South will be H-L, Calvert, Lakota, NR, and Old Fort.
Teams will play their own division opponents twice and other side opponents once. North teams will play 15 league games, South teams 14. There will only be one overall conference champion - the team with the best overall record (least amount of losses).
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Post by sbclives on Mar 25, 2024 15:45:52 GMT -5
Has anyone heard of any truth to Liberty Benton and Port Clinton having interest in joining the NBC to make it a 10 school league?
If there’s any truth to that then Huron and Edison are in a tough spot.
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Post by litebrite on Mar 25, 2024 22:16:54 GMT -5
Has anyone heard of any truth to Liberty Benton and Port Clinton having interest in joining the NBC to make it a 10 school league? If there’s any truth to that then Huron and Edison are in a tough spot. NBC does not want LB. Not sure why’d they’d want PC either. Looking at 55-65 one way bus rides for Otsego/Rossford/Maumee. Maybe try to go west and get Swanton if you’re after PC for the NBC. I don’t think we see any movement from the NBC personally though.
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Post by cbus on Mar 26, 2024 7:30:37 GMT -5
Has anyone heard of any truth to Liberty Benton and Port Clinton having interest in joining the NBC to make it a 10 school league? If there’s any truth to that then Huron and Edison are in a tough spot. NBC does not want LB. Not sure why’d they’d want PC either. Looking at 55-65 one way bus rides for Otsego/Rossford/Maumee. Maybe try to go west and get Swanton if you’re after PC for the NBC. I don’t think we see any movement from the NBC personally though. Using Google Maps: Maumee to Port Clinton 48 miles, Otsego to Port Clinton 43 miles, Rossford to Port Clinton 37 miles. Oak Harbor to Swanton 43 miles, Fostoria to Swanton 49 miles I guess I don't see geography as a big deal for not admitting Port Clinton but there may be other reasons.
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Post by Tiger on Mar 26, 2024 17:11:03 GMT -5
Has anyone heard of any truth to Liberty Benton and Port Clinton having interest in joining the NBC to make it a 10 school league? If there’s any truth to that then Huron and Edison are in a tough spot. Why would Huron and Edison be in a tough spot if Liberty Benton joins the NBC ? I don't think neither of us care what L.B. does. They still must be P'd about the 2013 football season, They were #2 seed, 9-0, Division 5 Region 16, Hosting #7 Huron 7-3, Tigers beat them 28-14 at their place. Today, With a Week 4 opening, They and Margaretta still refuse to play Huron.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Mar 26, 2024 19:40:48 GMT -5
I wish everyone would just move towards football only leagues. The pieces fit together a lot better than you only need to worry about travel one night every other year.
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Post by litebrite on Mar 26, 2024 20:54:46 GMT -5
NBC does not want LB. Not sure why’d they’d want PC either. Looking at 55-65 one way bus rides for Otsego/Rossford/Maumee. Maybe try to go west and get Swanton if you’re after PC for the NBC. I don’t think we see any movement from the NBC personally though. Using Google Maps: Maumee to Port Clinton 48 miles, Otsego to Port Clinton 43 miles, Rossford to Port Clinton 37 miles. Oak Harbor to Swanton 43 miles, Fostoria to Swanton 49 miles I guess I don't see geography as a big deal for not admitting Port Clinton but there may be other reasons. Moot point regardless IMO
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Post by sbclives on Mar 26, 2024 20:55:57 GMT -5
Has anyone heard of any truth to Liberty Benton and Port Clinton having interest in joining the NBC to make it a 10 school league? If there’s any truth to that then Huron and Edison are in a tough spot. Why would Huron and Edison be in a tough spot if Liberty Benton joins the NBC ? I don't think neither of us care what L.B. does. They still must be P'd about the 2013 football season, They were #2 seed, 9-0, Division 5 Region 16, Hosting #7 Huron 7-3, Tigers beat them 28-14 at their place. Today, With a Week 4 opening, They and Margaretta still refuse to play Huron. My point went over your head. Has nothing to do with the 2013 season.
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Post by Tiger on Mar 29, 2024 8:46:21 GMT -5
No it didn't. I know you did not say nothing about the 2013 season, But I did. However, What Liberty Benton does, Does not affect Edison or Huron, Really don't care what L.B. does.
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Post by sbclives on Mar 29, 2024 9:41:18 GMT -5
No it didn't. I know you did not say nothing about the 2013 season, But I did. However, What Liberty Benton does, Does not affect Edison or Huron, Really don't care what L.B. does. You’re right they don’t have any affect on Huron or Edison. A move by PC would though. It had nothing to do with Liberty Benton moving.
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Post by sbclives on Mar 29, 2024 14:58:59 GMT -5
No it didn't. I know you did not say nothing about the 2013 season, But I did. However, What Liberty Benton does, Does not affect Edison or Huron, Really don't care what L.B. does. Also, what is your deal with LB? They may not be everyone’s favorite school but damn you have an ax to grind with them.
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