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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 6, 2017 18:41:00 GMT -5
There are more Ontario people behind the Ontario bench than opponents. They are sitting side by side. Yes, husbands and wives of faculty members, administrators and family members of players and cheerleaders and friends of those mentioned, all WOULD sit side by side. I've never taken a count, never needed to. Just pointed out that those are for the most part the only Ontario fans that sit on the visitor's side and where they sat. I guess the key is, those Ontario people sitting there are not trouble makers. Instead of this gibberish, why not tell us what THE sign said?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 6, 2017 19:45:06 GMT -5
Lex must have a lot more fans at capacity games than Ontaro. Lexington seats nearly 2500 people. We have had a lot of sell outs or near capacity gamea with Mansfield Sr, Ashalnd, Wooster and Madison. Shelby, Ontario , and Clear Fork have brought big crowds on occasion. I can remember back in the day games with Willard and Malabar were huge crowds. Lex fans would fill nearly 75% of the gym. Mr. Steel could tell you EXACTLY how many seats there are in that gym. How many Mr. Steel? I mentioned the near capacity crowds that have been in the O'rena. No problems due to one side for one school, the other side for the other school. Since you have sat behind the scorers table for 25 years your memory of many of those crowds were when Lexington had a significantly larger enrollment. My point is, that where the fight broke out, the sliver of the home side where visitor fans are MADE to sit beside Lex fans, should be used for Lex fans. Making fewer Lex fans sitting on the opposite side of the gym and eliminating one place where visitors sit next to home fans. Another thing Ontario Adms did when the O'rena opened was to put Ontario fans on the side opposite the benches and scorers table. In the case of the older Lex gym, seats are lost due to the teams and those who work at the scorers table having to sit in the bleachers. There are more seats lost due to bleacher seats used for the media. Recently, upper deck seats on the current Lex side have been lost due to the construction of a safe place to video and to make TV broadcasts from. IMO, for the vast majority of games, if the Lex side was the side with no lost seating there would be enough seats for all Lex fans and ALL visitor fans would sit on the other side of the gym. Except for you in your favorite seat.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Jan 6, 2017 23:05:41 GMT -5
The side with the scorers table, Team benches, and the media area is the away side. The vast majority of the Lexington and Wooster famns are not trouble makers either. The home side is proety much open to Lex fans. Wooster game was just last week and it was near capacity. and 70-75 percent of the gym were Lexington followers. Since 1978-79 ther have been no major problems like that at Lexington.
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 7, 2017 0:20:10 GMT -5
I don't think I ever made a good count at Lex (unless its on another piece of paper). I doubt they seat more than Seniors 2400. They may seat 100-200 more than Ontario and Willard. Lex has the old school long flat runs with the narrow seat sections for skinny teens and just a couple aisles. Try to fit a middle age Big Mac guy in those! If they were to ever get new seating and come up to modern codes, they would lose a lot.
Didn't Wooster have discipline problems a year or so ago?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 0:29:19 GMT -5
Wooster has had discipline problems for 13 years. Nothing has ever been done.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2017 12:36:50 GMT -5
The side with the scorers table, Team benches, and the media area is the away side. The vast majority of the Lexington and Wooster famns are not trouble makers either. The home side is proety much open to Lex fans. Wooster game was just last week and it was near capacity. and 70-75 percent of the gym were Lexington followers. Since 1978-79 ther have been no major problems like that at Lexington. So, your favored seat is on the "away" side?? Obviously, as you say, the majority are not trouble makers. What I don't understand is why the fans and players of the team that had just won by 22 would start a fight? Per scooty, Wooster has had issues for quite some time. When you're "bad winners" Wooster REALLY has problems. If there aren't some penalties meted out, the league and schools have no balls and questionable ethics. In previous years Fremont and Sandusky had at the least "skirmishes" at some athletic events, last year a significant "scuffle" broke out at the basketball game. They were to play twice last year. The 2nd game was canceled and a few fans, who it was determined to be at fault, were banned from attending all sporting contests in the future. They stepped up. Will anyone step up over this bad act? I must have misunderstood, I thought you previously said the side opposite the scorers table was split down the middle 50-50 home and visitors. Also, last year and previous years when I've gone to the Lex/Ontario game at Lexington, on what you say is the the "away" side, that first section near the lobby from the wall to the first aisle, per a sign on the way does say "visitors". However, on what you say is that "away" side, on the other side of that aisle a sign on the wall says "reserved". I assume "reserved" for Lex season ticket holders. I know that I've seen short term, unknowing Ontario fans who sat in that section be told to school officials they couldn't sit there or later someone who said it was their seat, told them they had to move. Correct me if I misunderstand more. BTW your favored seat, on the "away" side, do you pay an extra $1/game for it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 13:12:34 GMT -5
The seating areas at both Lexington and Ontario are fairly similar. Across from score table, the lower level is for home fans. The lower level on the score table side is for visitors and some is for Lex fans.(specifically behind the bench)
Of course the Entire balcony is general admission and open as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 13:14:58 GMT -5
I don't think I ever made a good count at Lex (unless its on another piece of paper). I doubt they seat more than Seniors 2400. They may seat 100-200 more than Ontario and Willard. Lex has the old school long flat runs with the narrow seat sections for skinny teens and just a couple aisles. Try to fit a middle age Big Mac guy in those! If they were to ever get new seating and come up to modern codes, they would lose a lot. Didn't Wooster have discipline problems a year or so ago? Some may be confusing "seating capacity" and "capacity". I have been told the Lexington has hosted games with up to 2500 in attendance with every area of the gym being used for fans.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2017 13:27:21 GMT -5
Where did the teams and scoring personal sit?
At Ontario's old gym the fire chief would stop now and then to check safety. He'd make everyone sitting in the aisles move. An announcement was made for everyone to SQUEEZE closer together to make room for those sitting in the aisles. There was a coat check in the old gym run by one of the classes and school officials made a real effort to have fans use it, so they could SQUEEZE closer together. It was a good money maker for the kids running it.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2017 13:34:43 GMT -5
The seating areas at both Lexington and Ontario are fairly similar. Across from score table, the lower level is for home fans. The lower level on the score table side is for visitors and some is for Lex fans.(specifically behind the bench) Of course the Entire balcony is general admission and open as well. Ontario has no reserved seats, no signs on the walls above certain sections telling people where they have to sit. Only a sign above the 2 doors entering the gym, telling which side is "home" and which is "visitors". As we both know, a few choose to sit opposite of what the signs above the doors say.
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 7, 2017 13:37:23 GMT -5
I don't think I ever made a good count at Lex (unless its on another piece of paper). I doubt they seat more than Seniors 2400. They may seat 100-200 more than Ontario and Willard. Lex has the old school long flat runs with the narrow seat sections for skinny teens and just a couple aisles. Try to fit a middle age Big Mac guy in those! If they were to ever get new seating and come up to modern codes, they would lose a lot. Didn't Wooster have discipline problems a year or so ago? Some may be confusing "seating capacity" and "capacity". I have been told the Lexington has hosted games with up to 2500 in attendance with every area of the gym being used for fans. People can tell you anything they want. There is a huge difference in a buildings capacity (graduations, meets,games etc.) and seating for a basketball game. They may be going under the assumption of the 2500 in their mind. I seriously doubt 2500 middle aged adults are going to fit in that gym for a sporting contest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 16:04:54 GMT -5
I've never made one statement Ontario had reserve seating so no argument there. I said the seating areas are similar. Both places have signs and at both places you have fans from both teams in the same vicinity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 16:06:57 GMT -5
Lexington has places where folding chairs can be used and they have many places where people have stood to watch games. This is all on top of the squeezing together requests made.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 16:11:16 GMT -5
Some may be confusing "seating capacity" and "capacity". I have been told the Lexington has hosted games with up to 2500 in attendance with every area of the gym being used for fans. People can tell you anything they want. There is a huge difference in a buildings capacity (graduations, meets,games etc.) and seating for a basketball game. They may be going under the assumption of the 2500 in their mind. I seriously doubt 2500 middle aged adults are going to fit in that gym for a sporting contest. As I said, seating capacity and capacity are different. I have heard that same number tossed out in reference to ticket sales at the doors for games in the past. In the old days, baseline walls where shoulder to shoulder, balconies were standing 2-3 deep in the corners and seats were full.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2017 16:34:13 GMT -5
I've never made one statement Ontario had reserve seating so no argument there. I said the seating areas are similar. Both places have signs and at both places you have fans from both teams in the same vicinity. Both can not be "similar" if one has reserved seating and the other does not. The Lex gym has signs on the walls inside the gym telling you were you should or should not sit. The only "seating" signs in Ontario's facility are on the outside of the gym above the 2 entrance doors, one says Home, the other says Visitors. The only true similarities are seating "capacities" are similar and they both a double deck design. If you want or disagree with what I've said, I will be more than happy to list the many differences. Instead of nit picking about similarities, why don't you tell us what THE sign said?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2017 16:36:21 GMT -5
People can tell you anything they want. There is a huge difference in a buildings capacity (graduations, meets,games etc.) and seating for a basketball game. They may be going under the assumption of the 2500 in their mind. I seriously doubt 2500 middle aged adults are going to fit in that gym for a sporting contest. As I said, seating capacity and capacity are different. I have heard that same number tossed out in reference to ticket sales at the doors for games in the past. In the old days, baseline walls where shoulder to shoulder, balconies were standing 2-3 deep in the corners and seats were full. Sounds like the Fire Marshal never stopped by the Lexington gym the night of a boys home basketball game.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2017 16:46:18 GMT -5
News about what Lexington/Wooster melee. I will make this a lot more generic than what I know. The father of a Lexington varsity player has been banned from multiple games for throwing a punch that precipitated the incident. This from a former Lexington basketball coach. Haven't heard anything from Wooster or the OCC and don't expect to.
This could have come from you scooty, as I see we both started posting at about the same time. Was I just where you were?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 0:21:25 GMT -5
Similar in the designated seating areas.
nit picking? Look in the mirror. I said they are "fairly similar" due to the fact that both have designated seating areas and both have a mixture on one side. Nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 0:26:39 GMT -5
No, the incident in topic of the Dad was not "precipitated" by a Lexington player's dad throwing a punch. Your info is incorrect.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 8, 2017 2:15:56 GMT -5
No, the incident in topic was not initiated by a Lexington player's dad throwing a punch. Your info is incorrect. There you go being UNTRUTHFUL again. Did not say initiated. I'll give you a chance to be truthful. How many days was the ban for the Lex varsity player's relative? Also, tell us what THE sign said. What are you afraid of?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 8, 2017 2:21:37 GMT -5
Similar in the designated seating areas. nit picking? Look in the mirror. I said they are "fairly similar" due to the fact that both have designated seating areas and both have a mixture on one side. Nothing more. Being UNTRUTHFUL again. Ontario has 2 "designated" sides. One side for each school. How many "designated seating area's" in the Lexington Gym? There is a WHOLE lot more dissimilar.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 9:12:11 GMT -5
No, the incident in topic was not initiated by a Lexington player's dad throwing a punch. Your info is incorrect. There you go being UNTRUTHFUL again. Did not say initiated. I'll give you a chance to be truthful. How many days was the ban for the Lex varsity player's dad? Also, tell us what THE sign said. What are you afraid of? I'm being very truthful. You have been misinformed about the situation. It was not days, it was games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 9:14:52 GMT -5
Similar in the designated seating areas. nit picking? Look in the mirror. I said they are "fairly similar" due to the fact that both have designated seating areas and both have a mixture on one side. Nothing more. Being UNTRUTHFUL again. Ontario has 2 "designated" sides. One side for each school. How many "designated seating area's" in the Lexington Gym? There is a WHOLE lot more dissimilar. FAIRLY similar. Try reading a little. bottom line is both gyms, as I originally stated, have areas with mixed fans. It is very difficult to locate a gym that does not have both teams fans sitting in the same area. The seating chart is not the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 9:29:23 GMT -5
Current Ohio Cardinal Conference Standings Wooster 10 - 0 5 - 0 Lexington 10 - 1 4 - 1 Ashland 7 - 2 4 - 1 Mansfield Madison 7 - 4 3 - 2 Mount Vernon 4 - 7 2 - 3 Clear Fork 3 - 5 1 - 4 Mansfield Senior 1 - 8 1 - 4 West Holmes 0 - 10 0 - 5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 8, 2017 14:06:21 GMT -5
Being UNTRUTHFUL again. Ontario has 2 "designated" sides. One side for each school. How many "designated seating area's" in the Lexington Gym? There is a WHOLE lot more dissimilar. FAIRLY similar. Try reading a little. bottom line is both gyms, as I originally stated, have areas with mixed fans. It is very difficult to locate a gym that does not have both teams fans sitting in the same area. The seating chart is not the problem. I totally disagree, not FAIRLY similar at all. I read MUCH better than you, it's been proven many times, including this one. There is NO reserved seats in Ontario's gym. There IS reserved seating in the Lexington gym. Most often Ontario has less than 100 people that CHOOSE to sit behind the Ontario bench on the visitors side. Lexington purposely has visitors sit next to home fans. Your Lex buddy told us the side with the team benches and scorers table was the visitors side. Why is there a section of reserved seats for Lex fans on the visitor's side? MAKING visitor and home fans sit next to each other. If opposing fans were not MADE to sit by each other, then the bad actors in the altercation would have been separated by the gym floor.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 8, 2017 14:36:06 GMT -5
There you go being UNTRUTHFUL again. Did not say initiated. I'll give you a chance to be truthful. How many days was the ban for the Lex varsity player's dad? Also, tell us what THE sign said. What are you afraid of? I'm being very truthful. You have been misinformed about the situation. It was not days, it was games. No, less than truthful, per usual. Let's try a better word. Exacerbated. THUS, the action of a Lexington varsity player's relative exacerbated a situation brewing in the stands. Due to the action the relative was banned from several Lex boys basketball games. Many have asked for info on what occurred. I waited for you, but you were hiding. The information I have came from a former Lex basketball coach. I could be much more specific, but that's not necessary. Is that why you say its bad information? If you don't agree with my general statement, give us yours. You obviously know, since you agree there was a ban from games. Or will you play more games bob and weave games instead of being truthful? Like you've done in THE Lex sign situation?? You would be more believable and respected if you were forthcoming about what THE Lex sign said, instead of stone walling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 21:30:35 GMT -5
FAIRLY similar. Try reading a little. bottom line is both gyms, as I originally stated, have areas with mixed fans. It is very difficult to locate a gym that does not have both teams fans sitting in the same area. The seating chart is not the problem. I totally disagree, not FAIRLY similar at all. I read MUCH better than you, it's been proven many times, including this one. There is NO reserved seats in Ontario's gym. There IS reserved seating in the Lexington gym. Most often Ontario has less than 100 people that CHOOSE to sit behind the Ontario bench on the visitors side. Lexington purposely has visitors sit next to home fans. Your Lex buddy told us the side with the team benches and scorers table was the visitors side. Why is there a section of reserved seats for Lex fans on the visitor's side? MAKING visitor and home fans sit next to each other. If opposing fans were not MADE to sit by each other, then the bad actors in the altercation would have been separated by the gym floor. You don't have to agree. As said, it would be difficult to find a gym where opposing fans are sitting in the same area. That's it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 21:34:43 GMT -5
Now you are back pedaling. First you said he threw a punch and I debate that. Then you say he was suspended for a number of days and I debate that. Now you are digging. There is no hiding. Bad event and those involved are moving on and I do not wish to help anyone keep it alive. But I will defend good people I know or know of who are slandered.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 9, 2017 0:42:30 GMT -5
Keep it alive?? People wondered. We waited for your explanation. You failed. I reported what a former Lex coach said. You don't know what a punch is, you proved that by what you argued happened after the Ohio State game AND you "kept it alive". You knew what I meant when I said "days" instead of games. The games you play. You don't like it? Then you tell us what happened or DROP IT. You're the one that ALWAYS has to "keep it alive". This can go away, it's up to you
Why were you so quick to make an incorrect post about a 14 year old? Remember? Then "kept it alive" for days.
Why were you UNTRUTHFUL about my posts about Ontario games this year? Remember? Then had to "keep it alive".
You know that there are big differences in seating in the Lex and Ontario gyms, but you have to "keep it alive".
Why won't you tell us what THE Lex Student's sign said? This will be "kept live" until you are TRUTHFUL.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 9, 2017 0:46:58 GMT -5
I totally disagree, not FAIRLY similar at all. I read MUCH better than you, it's been proven many times, including this one. There is NO reserved seats in Ontario's gym. There IS reserved seating in the Lexington gym. Most often Ontario has less than 100 people that CHOOSE to sit behind the Ontario bench on the visitors side. Lexington purposely has visitors sit next to home fans. Your Lex buddy told us the side with the team benches and scorers table was the visitors side. Why is there a section of reserved seats for Lex fans on the visitor's side? MAKING visitor and home fans sit next to each other. If opposing fans were not MADE to sit by each other, then the bad actors in the altercation would have been separated by the gym floor. You don't have to agree. As said, it would be difficult to find a gym where opposing fans are sitting in the same area. That's it. You must agree about this or you look worse than usual. There is a great deal of difference in the seating in Lexington's and Ontario's gyms. NO reserved seating at Ontario's. A LOT of reserved seating at Lexington. NO visitors MADE to set next to home fans at Ontario. Lexington MAKES visitors sit next to home fans. If they didn't MAKE visitors sit next to home fans there would not have been a fight in the stands at the Wooster AT Lexington game. Even the obstinate would agree.
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