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Post by dude on Feb 15, 2023 22:20:54 GMT -5
Shelby AD was quoted at 1350. Minus the seats taken away from the team chairs and the handicap slots it would be closer to 1300.
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Post by sweathog on Feb 16, 2023 10:57:46 GMT -5
championship games are today (Saturday) 7th grade, Ontario is playing, but I don’t know who against. Ontario has a very impressive 7th grade team, pretty much rolled everyone this year. Ontario/Clear Fork in the 8th grade game. I believe Ontario 8th grade only won 2 regular season MOAC games, but got hot in the tourney. 7th grade Championship game Ontario 45, Pleasant 17. Ontario has alot of height and talent for a 7th grade team. For that age group over all they look good for the future. Will the kids get better and keep growing, only time will tell. Alot of bench players got in game, which helps down the road I have a problem tho, 2 starters were still on floor at end of game! You see the score, Why?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2023 16:29:27 GMT -5
Their best player is a 5-8 PG who can already grab the rim and makes 40% of his 3-pointers, shooting a half dozen or so a game and rarely playing more than 2 quarters. By far the best 7th grade player I've seen at Ontario. Also an AAU National Champion in the high jump.
Trindon Flenoury is his name. A lot of video of him as a 6th grader playing AAU ball.
As far as 2 starters on the floor at the end of the game? You'd have to ask the coach. My guess, since it was the last game of the year and starters rarely played more than 2 quarters. He let them play more than normal.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 16, 2023 20:26:44 GMT -5
I have no idea why a coach left in two starters, but it’s my opinion that number 6-10 get better when on the floor with a couple of numbers 1-5. Ever see a team’s offense run efficiently with numbers 6-10 on the court together?
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Post by mcm1019 on Feb 17, 2023 7:03:20 GMT -5
Their best player is a 5-8 PG who can already grab the rim and makes 40% of his 3-pointers, shooting a half dozen or so a game and rarely playing more than 2 quarters. By far the best 7th grade player I've seen at Ontario. Also an AAU National Champion in the high jump. Trindon Flenoury is his name. A lot of video of him as a 6th grader playing AAU ball. As far as 2 starters on the floor at the end of the game? You'd have to ask the coach. My guess, since it was the last game of the year and starters rarely played more than 2 quarters. He let them play more than normal. how's the leg hair looking on this kid?
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Post by dude on Feb 17, 2023 9:18:46 GMT -5
Their best player is a 5-8 PG who can already grab the rim and makes 40% of his 3-pointers, shooting a half dozen or so a game and rarely playing more than 2 quarters. By far the best 7th grade player I've seen at Ontario. Also an AAU National Champion in the high jump. Trindon Flenoury is his name. A lot of video of him as a 6th grader playing AAU ball. As far as 2 starters on the floor at the end of the game? You'd have to ask the coach. My guess, since it was the last game of the year and starters rarely played more than 2 quarters. He let them play more than normal. how's the leg hair looking on this kid? I'm sure he was looking.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 17, 2023 9:38:14 GMT -5
Their best player is a 5-8 PG who can already grab the rim and makes 40% of his 3-pointers, shooting a half dozen or so a game and rarely playing more than 2 quarters. By far the best 7th grade player I've seen at Ontario. Also an AAU National Champion in the high jump. Trindon Flenoury is his name. A lot of video of him as a 6th grader playing AAU ball. As far as 2 starters on the floor at the end of the game? You'd have to ask the coach. My guess, since it was the last game of the year and starters rarely played more than 2 quarters. He let them play more than normal. how's the leg hair looking on this kid? Ask Rob Sheldon
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Post by dude on Feb 17, 2023 11:18:39 GMT -5
I have no idea why a coach left in two starters, but it’s my opinion that number 6-10 get better when on the floor with a couple of numbers 1-5. Ever see a team’s offense run efficiently with numbers 6-10 on the court together?Isn't that the point of getting them on the floor in those situations?
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 17, 2023 13:41:25 GMT -5
I have no idea why a coach left in two starters, but it’s my opinion that number 6-10 get better when on the floor with a couple of numbers 1-5. Ever see a team’s offense run efficiently with numbers 6-10 on the court together?Isn't that the point of getting them on the floor in those situations? Not in my opinion. It’s chaos. Put them in with a couple of more skilled, competent players elevates their game.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 17, 2023 13:59:27 GMT -5
It is especially important for 8-10. 6 and 7 get playing time with the starters. If you really want 8, 9, 10 to get better give them some time with a couple of 1-5 on the floor. You aren’t going to do it in a close game so how about in a blow out. This is all just my opinion after years of watching basketball and seeing mop up minutes get really ugly.
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Post by dude on Feb 17, 2023 14:30:07 GMT -5
Isn't that the point of getting them on the floor in those situations? Not in my opinion. It’s chaos. Put them in with a couple of more skilled, competent players elevates their game. During a 30 point 7th grade win in the last game of the season the 5 starters should be on the bench is the way most would see it. What are we talking, 6 minute quarters so even if the kids did show signs of chaos. Elevating your game happens in the off seasons. Let the bench play. I can only imagine your comments if one of your sons was the 12th man on that team and he would have been on the bench when the clock expired.
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Post by dude on Feb 17, 2023 14:33:58 GMT -5
It is especially important for 8-10. 6 and 7 get playing time with the starters. If you really want 8, 9, 10 to get better give them some time with a couple of 1-5 on the floor. You aren’t going to do it in a close game so how about in a blow out. This is all just my opinion after years of watching basketball and seeing mop up minutes get really ugly. What about players 11-14? When do they get time in a 30 point win?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 17, 2023 15:58:23 GMT -5
Not in my opinion. It’s chaos. Put them in with a couple of more skilled, competent players elevates their game. During a 30 point 7th grade win in the last game of the season the 5 starters should be on the bench is the way most would see it. What are we talking, 6 minute quarters so even if the kids did show signs of chaos. Elevating your game happens in the off seasons. Let the bench play. I can only imagine your comments if one of your sons was the 12th man on that team and he would have been on the bench when the clock expired. The "bench" DID get to play. The "bench" got to play in EVERY game this year. Almost as many minutes as the starters. No, only dudes like you who are known as whiners. That 12th man, he might have gotten minutes in the first half
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 17, 2023 16:00:09 GMT -5
It is especially important for 8-10. 6 and 7 get playing time with the starters. If you really want 8, 9, 10 to get better give them some time with a couple of 1-5 on the floor. You aren’t going to do it in a close game so how about in a blow out. This is all just my opinion after years of watching basketball and seeing mop up minutes get really ugly. What about players 11-14? When do they get time in a 30 point win? 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th quarter. That's the way it went this year, on a 7th grade team that usually won by 50 AND the coach knew they would.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 17, 2023 18:26:28 GMT -5
Not in my opinion. It’s chaos. Put them in with a couple of more skilled, competent players elevates their game. During a 30 point 7th grade win in the last game of the season the 5 starters should be on the bench is the way most would see it. What are we talking, 6 minute quarters so even if the kids did show signs of chaos. Elevating your game happens in the off seasons. Let the bench play. I can only imagine your comments if one of your sons was the 12th man on that team and he would have been on the bench when the clock expired. If elevating your game happens in the off season then why put them in at all? Every experience provides an opportunity for improvement. If you’ve played then you know there is a different feel when there is a crowd and officials than there is in your driveway or in a practice. A lot of basketball is about confidence. 2-3 minutes of officials’ whistles and no game flow are very different than a chance to run your offense and a couple of decent looks at the basket. Is it going to make or break a kid? No. Is it better than 2-3 minutes of chaos? Yes. And let’s face it. Barring a miracle 11-whatever are a year or two away from leading the student section in cheers at the varsity game.
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Post by dude on Feb 17, 2023 23:00:38 GMT -5
During a 30 point 7th grade win in the last game of the season the 5 starters should be on the bench is the way most would see it. What are we talking, 6 minute quarters so even if the kids did show signs of chaos. Elevating your game happens in the off seasons. Let the bench play. I can only imagine your comments if one of your sons was the 12th man on that team and he would have been on the bench when the clock expired. If elevating your game happens in the off season then why put them in at all? Every experience provides an opportunity for improvement. If you’ve played then you know there is a different feel when there is a crowd and officials than there is in your driveway or in a practice. A lot of basketball is about confidence. 2-3 minutes of officials’ whistles and no game flow are very different than a chance to run your offense and a couple of decent looks at the basket. Is it going to make or break a kid? No. Is it better than 2-3 minutes of chaos? Yes. And let’s face it. Barring a miracle 11-whatever are a year or two away from leading the student section in cheers at the varsity game. You yourself have said the off season is when you work on your game. The fact is with this team the bench played a lot. Their margin of victory was very high almost every night so keeping the starters in the game at the end of a 30 point championship win would not have been needed. I apologize. I do not want to overload a thread about a 7th grade game.
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Post by whippetfan on Feb 18, 2023 0:15:36 GMT -5
Shelby 74-43 over Ontario in a game that was never close. Shelby jumped out to a 17-2 lead after one. Ontario didn’t make their first FG until the 6:00 mark of the second quarter. Max Hess with the game of his life finishing with 28 for the Whippets. They needed a nice bounce back after the loss to Lex earlier in the week. Four straight conference titles, first time in school history.
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Post by sbclives on Feb 18, 2023 0:36:14 GMT -5
Shelby dominance of the MOAC.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 18, 2023 1:29:01 GMT -5
I'll comment on the "playing all bench vs mixing starters in" topic.
I was far from a top tier player in my middle school days.
Nothing made me more jaded about my situation than the coach throwing me in there with four other guys at the end of the bench. No kidding, we know we ain't good, why put it publically and show off our worst players all in one go?
I had a few series in those days where I got put in with 2-3 starters. It did way more for any development than practicing against those fellas did. I got to see their game time focus up close, I got to be a player who passed the ball to a guy who made an easy basket. Playing on the same court as other talented peers made me feel more capable than getting 5 minutes of chaotic offense and panic from four other guys just like me. I felt way better about frantically passing to a starter than another scared kid. If I'm on the floor those days, having a general meant a lot.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 18, 2023 2:18:55 GMT -5
For the game, Shelby thrives on high tempo. There isn't a shortage of players that can finish on a fast break layup.
I recall seeing posts this year about Ontario settling for 3s versus driving, and it was evident in the first half tonight. They shot many 3s that weren't decidedly bad, but Shelby was cleaning up the boards on misses with little resistance.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Feb 18, 2023 3:33:04 GMT -5
you're welcome we're not around
Sincerely,
Bellevue, Norwalk, and especially Willard
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 18, 2023 5:26:44 GMT -5
I'll comment on the "playing all bench vs mixing starters in" topic. I was far from a top tier player in my middle school days. Nothing made me more jaded about my situation than the coach throwing me in there with four other guys at the end of the bench. No kidding, we know we ain't good, why put it publically and show off our worst players all in one go? I had a few series in those days where I got put in with 2-3 starters. It did way more for any development than practicing against those fellas did. I got to see their game time focus up close, I got to be a player who passed the ball to a guy who made an easy basket. Playing on the same court as other talented peers made me feel more capable than getting 5 minutes of chaotic offense and panic from four other guys just like me. I felt way better about frantically passing to a starter than another scared kid. If I'm on the floor those days, having a general meant a lot. And you ended up getting significant varsity time in high school. My point reinforced.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 18, 2023 5:30:33 GMT -5
For the game, Shelby thrives on high tempo. There isn't a shortage of players that can finish on a fast break layup. I recall seeing posts this year about Ontario settling for 3s versus driving, and it was evident in the first half tonight. They shot many 3s that weren't decidedly bad, but Shelby was cleaning up the boards on misses with little resistance. Which is why Shelby needs a half court pressure defense. They get a lot af their points in transition. Against Lex they weren’t scoring so they couldn’t get into their press. Maybe a 1-3-1 half court trap? That way they get steals in the half court set and off to the races. And as already mentioned they need a better offense against the zone. Three passes around the perimeter and settling for a half open three point shot only works when you’re hitting the three. They did in the first half against Lex and didn’t in the second half. Live by it, die by it.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Feb 18, 2023 5:58:03 GMT -5
I was clowning around with prior post. I forgot to congratulate Shelby nabbing 4 in a row
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Post by whippetfan on Feb 18, 2023 8:11:47 GMT -5
And those three’s were dropping last night. Surprised to see Ontario start the game man-to-man but they did fall into a 2-3 later. I thought Shelby’s ball movement and passing against it was much improved. Lots of easy buckets in the paint. And Hess was insane from behind the arc with six three’s. Fun to see the kids cheering for him to keep shooting. I’ve been in those zones before when it feels like everything you throw up is going in. Greatest feeling a shooter can have. I’m curious what you Ontario folks think about Mergel’s days. Are people there ready to move on from him? Yes they hit a buzzsaw last night but in speaking with a few folks they say they’re ready for a change.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Feb 18, 2023 8:31:48 GMT -5
And those three’s were dropping last night. Surprised to see Ontario start the game man-to-man but they did fall into a 2-3 later. I thought Shelby’s ball movement and passing against it was much improved. Lots of easy buckets in the paint. And Hess was insane from behind the arc with six three’s. Fun to see the kids cheering for him to keep shooting. I’ve been in those zones before when it feels like everything you throw up is going in. Greatest feeling a shooter can have. I’m curious what you Ontario folks think about Mergel’s days. Are people there ready to move on from him? Yes they hit a buzzsaw last night but in speaking with a few folks they say they’re ready for a change. I would agree about Mergel, but in his defense I don't think Ontario has had the cycle of talent coming through that they had a few years ago. Not to mention the fact who ever was going to follow Joe was going to have a rough time living up to expectations. I remember Steve Gray being ridiculed by Lex fans after Collins left and they finally drove him out of town. Then he had a very good run at Norwalk winning state.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 18, 2023 10:02:07 GMT -5
Mergel knew what to expect following a legend, but he was tired of the issues coaches have at Madison and wanted his kids in a better school district. Heck his AD, also a Madison alum, tried to get the Ontario AD job when it opened a few years ago. There was only one other candidate with head coaching experience and he was eliminated due to being untruthful with the search committee.
In his first year his team had ONE letterman and ZERO starters returning. This year he has only 2 Seniors playing meaningful minutes and a Freshman PG. Both unheard of at Ontario. But the win total increased by 50% from year one to year two. This team has won every game it should have and a couple they were not the favorites(Crestview,CC). AND Ontario beat Norwalk this year. Joe had lost 5 straight to Norwalk. "Fans" thinking otherwise are ignorant as most fans are. It hasn't been easy for a new coach, but the kids seem to like and respect him. Stupid fans want change for change sake. What "great" coach is going to apply now that didn't 2 years earlier??
THE difference now versus the Balogh years, when he had his greatest successes? NO players close to 1st or 2nd Team Ohio talent now or in the near future. Joe had 7 of them.
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Post by dude on Feb 18, 2023 13:55:07 GMT -5
I’m curious what you Ontario folks think about Mergel’s days. Are people there ready to move on from him? Yes they hit a buzzsaw last night but in speaking with a few folks they say they’re ready for a change. Same things were being said in Madison the last couple years before he was hired at Ontario, and he is a Madison guy.
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Post by dude on Feb 18, 2023 14:14:24 GMT -5
I’m curious what you Ontario folks think about Mergel’s days. Are people there ready to move on from him? Yes they hit a buzzsaw last night but in speaking with a few folks they say they’re ready for a change. I would agree about Mergel, but in his defense I don't think Ontario has had the cycle of talent coming through that they had a few years ago. Not to mention the fact who ever was going to follow Joe was going to have a rough time living up to expectations. I remember Steve Gray being ridiculed by Lex fans after Collins left and they finally drove him out of town. Then he had a very good run at Norwalk winning state. Can't judge on the first year since Ontario graduated so many players. But in Mergel's second season he returned 5 players with valuable varsity experience and 2 others who had split time with jv. And with those players, he felt a freshman was the best option at point guard, so he must be very talented. In 9 seasons at Madison he coaches the OCC player of the year multiple times but never finished above 4th in the league and had single digit wins in 5 of those seasons. He won only 38% of his regular season games at Madison and in two season without him, Madison has won 51% for their games.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 18, 2023 19:52:19 GMT -5
I’m curious what you Ontario folks think about Mergel’s days. Are people there ready to move on from him? Yes they hit a buzzsaw last night but in speaking with a few folks they say they’re ready for a change. Same things were being said in Madison the last couple years before he was hired at Ontario, and he is a Madison guy. Dumb analogy, Mergel coached NINE years at Madison and thus far 2 at Ontario. AND the AD at Madison, a "Madison guy", wanted out of Madison too, due to the issues there. He wanted the Ontario AD job. Teachers have left Madison to come to Ontario.
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