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Post by whippetfan on Jan 5, 2023 23:03:08 GMT -5
Shelby gets everyone in the scorebook tonight. Bruskotter was out scoring the Colts by himself most of the night. Finished with 31 and a bunch of rebounds. DeVito started again for Ramsey and had another big night. Think he finished with around 20. Need to get Ramsey healthy with three tough tests up next: Ashland, Wooster and Ontario.
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Post by dude on Jan 5, 2023 23:14:53 GMT -5
Shelby gets everyone in the scorebook tonight. Bruskotter was out scoring the Colts by himself most of the night. Finished with 31 and a bunch of rebounds. DeVito started again for Ramsey and had another big night. Think he finished with around 20. Need to get Ramsey healthy with three tough tests up next: Ashland, Wooster and Ontario. Ramsey must really be sick to be out that long. Devito had 16 making three 3s.
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Post by buckeye33 on Jan 5, 2023 23:25:39 GMT -5
Clear Fork coach comments they will be ready for the Shelby press and defense. The result is 18 turnovers and 47-16 halftime score. a little surprised CF coach would say that and said he had players to match up with Lantz and Ramsey…game was over in first quarter. They didn’t have players to match up with anyone
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 5, 2023 23:37:15 GMT -5
A tale of 2 halves. Ontario up by 5 in the 2nd quarter after being down by 9 early in the game. Ontario didn't panic early, was patient in their half court offense and switched everything on defense. Harding had a bunch of fouls in the first half, played even more physical in the 2nd half, but the same fouls were not called. THE biggest difference was what the Harding coach obviously told his team in the locker room at half time. Other than a 6-5 kid off the end of the bench who jacked up 2 3-pointers in his couple of minutes. NOT ONE shot was taken further than 5 feet of the basket the entire 2nd half. As did Madison, Harding closely guarded Ontario's 3 point shooters. Harding's physicality and athleticism wore Ontario down. This was Harding's most athletic and deepest team I've seen since joining the MOAC. Ontario won both the Freshman and JV games by close margins.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 5, 2023 23:37:49 GMT -5
Clear Fork coach comments they will be ready for the Shelby press and defense. The result is 18 turnovers and 47-16 halftime score. a little surprised CF coach would say that and said he had players to match up with Lantz and Ramsey…game was over in first quarter. They didn’t have players to match up with anyone Not on the basketball court
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Post by buckeye33 on Jan 6, 2023 0:58:17 GMT -5
a little surprised CF coach would say that and said he had players to match up with Lantz and Ramsey…game was over in first quarter. They didn’t have players to match up with anyone Not on the basketball court this is the basketball forum
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Post by whippetfan on Jan 6, 2023 14:42:07 GMT -5
Not on the basketball court this is the basketball forum I will admit ClearFork has a bunch of football players who they convinced to play basketball this winter. And it is across all three HS teams. Future not looking bright unless they can get someone to develop that talent that might be hidden. Definitely wasn’t on display last night. Not a ton of fundamentals.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 6, 2023 19:55:27 GMT -5
Not on the basketball court this is the basketball forum cross over
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 6, 2023 20:01:29 GMT -5
this is the basketball forum I will admit ClearFork has a bunch of football players who they convinced to play basketball this winter. And it is across all three HS teams. Future not looking bright unless they can get someone to develop that talent that might be hidden. Definitely wasn’t on display last night. Not a ton of fundamentals. Can't develop talent during the season. Basketball talent is developed in the offseason when all the kids at Clear Fork are lifting, doing football drills 7on7s instead of playing in summer basketball leagues and shooting and playing on the outdoor courts. You must have 2 or 3 good athletes in every class concentrating on basketball.
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Post by dude on Jan 6, 2023 22:33:05 GMT -5
this is the basketball forum I will admit ClearFork has a bunch of football players who they convinced to play basketball this winter. And it is across all three HS teams. Future not looking bright unless they can get someone to develop that talent that might be hidden. Definitely wasn’t on display last night. Not a ton of fundamentals. Most of the kids playing basketball this year were in the program last year. I have seen 2 of their games this season and it is semi-controlled open gym.
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Post by moacpops on Jan 7, 2023 11:45:37 GMT -5
I will admit ClearFork has a bunch of football players who they convinced to play basketball this winter. And it is across all three HS teams. Future not looking bright unless they can get someone to develop that talent that might be hidden. Definitely wasn’t on display last night. Not a ton of fundamentals. Can't develop talent during the season. Basketball talent is developed in the offseason when all the kids at Clear Fork are lifting, doing football drills 7on7s instead of playing in summer basketball leagues and shooting and playing on the outdoor courts. You must have 2 or 3 good athletes in every class concentrating on basketball. Why can’t a coach develop talent during the season? A coach has four months of practices with the players, good coaches should develop players in four months.
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 7, 2023 12:17:27 GMT -5
Coaches at the lower levels can spend time developing individual skills. Varsity coaches have time to implement team concepts (put in offenses and plays, teach defenses) and prepare for the upcoming opponent. They don’t have time during the season to work on ball handling, shooting, etc. Lower level coaches can do that because they don’t have to spend the time strategizing for a particular opponent.
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Post by dude on Jan 7, 2023 12:28:33 GMT -5
Can't develop talent during the season. Basketball talent is developed in the offseason when all the kids at Clear Fork are lifting, doing football drills 7on7s instead of playing in summer basketball leagues and shooting and playing on the outdoor courts. You must have 2 or 3 good athletes in every class concentrating on basketball. Why can’t a coach develop talent during the season? A coach has four months of practices with the players, good coaches should develop players in four months. They surely can, and do.
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Post by dude on Jan 7, 2023 12:30:29 GMT -5
Coaches at the lower levels can spend time developing individual skills. Varsity coaches have time to implement team concepts (put in offenses and plays, teach defenses) and prepare for the upcoming opponent. They don’t have time during the season to work on ball handling, shooting, etc. Lower level coaches can do that because they don’t have to spend the time strategizing for a particular opponent. Every varsity coach will run shooting drills, ball handling drills, etc. during their season to improve their players.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2023 13:53:21 GMT -5
Can't develop talent during the season. Basketball talent is developed in the offseason when all the kids at Clear Fork are lifting, doing football drills 7on7s instead of playing in summer basketball leagues and shooting and playing on the outdoor courts. You must have 2 or 3 good athletes in every class concentrating on basketball. Why can’t a coach develop talent during the season? A coach has four months of practices with the players, good coaches should develop players in four months. At the varsity level, once the season STARTS, so much time MUST be spent on prep for games and the tournament. Leaving very little for individual instruction. After those 4 months there are 8 months left for honing of skills, both with instruction and most importantly on one's own. Not my opinion ask Balogh. Who used to give a new ball to every young player, then wanting to see it at the start of the following season. So he could see how much wear and tear it had had over those 8 months. AND those players knew it
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 7, 2023 13:55:56 GMT -5
Coaches at the lower levels can spend time developing individual skills. Varsity coaches have time to implement team concepts (put in offenses and plays, teach defenses) and prepare for the upcoming opponent. They don’t have time during the season to work on ball handling, shooting, etc. Lower level coaches can do that because they don’t have to spend the time strategizing for a particular opponent. Every varsity coach will run shooting drills, ball handling drills, etc. during their season to improve their players. those are used like warm up drills, little instruction is used unless the players are lazily doing those drills making them useless for THAT season.
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Post by gtab on Jan 7, 2023 21:30:46 GMT -5
Galion 58 Highland 48 FINAL
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 7, 2023 21:31:42 GMT -5
Agreed. Those drills are used for warm ups and conditioning. Very rarely does someone get pulled aside and instructed during those drills. How much is 5-7 minutes in a drill going to develop ball handling or shooting especially if something is done incorrectly and never gets corrected. It actually reinforces bad technique. In a good program those skills are taught at the lower levels and Baloogh’s program was a good example. He had consistently at coaching at the lower levels and they taught the basics.
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Post by moacpops on Jan 7, 2023 21:35:57 GMT -5
I will disagree with most of you. I don’t understand why a varsity and JV coach cannot work on skill development for at least 20 minutes a day. Colleges do skill work and their game prep is more in depth than a high school game prep.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 7, 2023 21:41:33 GMT -5
Galion 68 Highland 58 FINAL Were they unstoppable and the best team in the state tonight?
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Post by gtab on Jan 7, 2023 23:29:22 GMT -5
Galion 58 Highland 48 FINAL Were they unstoppable and the best team in the state tonight? No.......I never claimed that they were, why ?
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Post by galionfan13 on Jan 7, 2023 23:32:20 GMT -5
It was a great win, scored 27 in the 2nd quarter. This is a very dangerous team because everyone on this team can hit 3's in bunches. In the last three weeks Galion is 3-2 and play Crestline and River Valley next week and I see them beating them.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 8, 2023 0:08:29 GMT -5
Were they unstoppable and the best team in the state tonight? No.......I never claimed that they were, why ? Actually I was saying it towards Galionfan13 to see if a response was coming and sure enough.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 8, 2023 13:20:32 GMT -5
I will disagree with most of you. I don’t understand why a varsity and JV coach cannot work on skill development for at least 20 minutes a day. Colleges do skill work and their game prep is more in depth than a high school game prep. What is your definition of "skill development"? 20 minutes is nothing compared to the 4 hours/day 7 days/week a kid can work on skills outside of basketball season
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 8, 2023 13:22:47 GMT -5
No.......I never claimed that they were, why ? Actually I was saying it towards Galionfan13 to see if a response was coming and sure enough. but you quoted gtab's post.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 8, 2023 13:33:42 GMT -5
Actually I was saying it towards Galionfan13 to see if a response was coming and sure enough. but you quoted gtab's post. I know. His post made me think of the Galion die hard fan and thought gtab would see where I was going with it.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 8, 2023 13:40:09 GMT -5
Agreed. Those drills are used for warm ups and conditioning. Very rarely does someone get pulled aside and instructed during those drills. How much is 5-7 minutes in a drill going to develop ball handling or shooting especially if something is done incorrectly and never gets corrected. It actually reinforces bad technique. In a good program those skills are taught at the lower levels and Baloogh’s program was a good example. He had consistently at coaching at the lower levels and they taught the basics. I see kids in MOST high school games, many college games and even the NBA who shoot left handed layups and other shots on the left side of the basket with their right hand. Balogh was adamant about this. He instructed kids endlessly during the spring and summer on that very important skill. Of using the correct hand on the correct side of the basket. There was no need to work on this "skill" during the regular season. One of Ontario's best players ever, made a radical change to his outside shot between his Sophomore and Junior seasons. He always had a very flat outside shot and because of that he made a low percentage of his 3-pointers. There is no way a coach would try to make a "skill" change like that during a season. It would mess up his leading scorer badly if he tried. SO Joe gave him a few drills to do and an instruction tape on shooting made by an NBA player to use during the off season. I was shocked to see such a significant change in his shot from one season to the next. Of course the kid had to be athletic enough and diligent enough to make such a change.
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Post by dude on Jan 8, 2023 13:49:57 GMT -5
Agreed. Those drills are used for warm ups and conditioning. Very rarely does someone get pulled aside and instructed during those drills. How much is 5-7 minutes in a drill going to develop ball handling or shooting especially if something is done incorrectly and never gets corrected. It actually reinforces bad technique. In a good program those skills are taught at the lower levels and Baloogh’s program was a good example. He had consistently at coaching at the lower levels and they taught the basics. Drills can be for warm up and conditioning but in talking with coaches it is very common to spend time in season correcting bad habits or improving skills. Balogh is one of those types of coaches. During winter breaks in past years with a long stretch without a game, he would work with kids outside practice to improve their skills. Off season is still the most important time for that but in season has it also.
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Post by gtab on Jan 8, 2023 13:53:30 GMT -5
but you quoted gtab's post. I know. His post made me think of the Galion die hard fan and thought gtab would see where I was going with it. I knew what was going on.
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Post by sbclives on Jan 8, 2023 13:56:12 GMT -5
I know. His post made me think of the Galion die hard fan and thought gtab would see where I was going with it. I knew what was going on. I'm just sick and freakin' tired of 'diehard"; but by acknowledging "them/he/she", that simple act empowers them.......which I don't want to do. Hence, my veiled response. It’s just a message board. It’ll be ok
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