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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 17, 2016 12:37:50 GMT -5
If the MOAC schools are really threatening to vote Harding out just because they are halfway decent again in football....that's very sad and juvenile. They knew what they were potentially getting into when they allowed Harding into the MOAC. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Having Harding in the MOAC is a good thing for everyone involved. It keeps local rivalries alive and with Harding upgrading their football stadium...that would just be another notch in the belt of the MOAC. In regards to the game Friday, yes Harding had WAY to many Personal Fouls. They need to clean that up going forward. BUT......Pleasant's admin needs to clean up what took place behind the west endzone. You simply cannot have fathers, teachers, and coaches yelling at the opposing team and pounding their chests when Harding got penalties. But it's plainly obvious they don't care to fix that so we can move on from it. Anyone who doesn't understand that that's a problem is looking through Spartan colored glasses Lastly... anyone involved in the process of determining if Harding gets to stay in the MOAC that doesn't understand the benefits of having Harding in the MOAC needs to be removed from the process. The most likely reason they would be voted out is THEIR "sad and juvenile" actions on the field. |
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Post by 4 on Oct 17, 2016 12:47:47 GMT -5
It was one game. Other schools have been doing it all year.
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Post by jedbartlet98 on Oct 17, 2016 13:01:29 GMT -5
If the MOAC schools are really threatening to vote Harding out just because they are halfway decent again in football....that's very sad and juvenile. They knew what they were potentially getting into when they allowed Harding into the MOAC. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Having Harding in the MOAC is a good thing for everyone involved. It keeps local rivalries alive and with Harding upgrading their football stadium...that would just be another notch in the belt of the MOAC. In regards to the game Friday, yes Harding had WAY to many Personal Fouls. They need to clean that up going forward. BUT......Pleasant's admin needs to clean up what took place behind the west endzone. You simply cannot have fathers, teachers, and coaches yelling at the opposing team and pounding their chests when Harding got penalties. But it's plainly obvious they don't care to fix that so we can move on from it. Anyone who doesn't understand that that's a problem is looking through Spartan colored glasses Lastly... anyone involved in the process of determining if Harding gets to stay in the MOAC that doesn't understand the benefits of having Harding in the MOAC needs to be removed from the process. The most likely reason they would be voted out is THEIR "sad and juvenile" actions on the field. The only reason the MOAC voted to let Harding in is because they thought it was be an easy win for them every year in football. That's not happening now so they don't want Harding around anymore. IF Harding gets voted out...it will because of ONE school(which has pretty much run the MOAC for 20 years) Another sad fact of life....I'm sure the reason a few schools don't want to play Harding anymore is because they don't like having to play against kids of color. I know all of you are going to say that has nothing to do with it....but sit in the stands of ANY MOAC school and you will hear some AWFUL things said about Harding. It goes back to when I was in school at Pleasant. It's ugly and it happens and there is no way anyone can say it doesn't |
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Post by harding on Oct 17, 2016 13:16:18 GMT -5
U are right the kids tell me every week that they r called monkey and the N word it's 2016 this should stop
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Post by jedbartlet98 on Oct 17, 2016 13:18:54 GMT -5
jedbartlet98, Please explain the benefits of Harding in the MOAC for the schools other than Harding. I think everyone understands how it benefits Harding, but please enlighten us as to how it benefits the other schools in the MOAC. 1. Higher Division- benefits of that speak for itself 2. Facilities- Harding has the best facilities in the entire MOAC, which will be even better when they complete their field turf project. 3. Money- Let's face it....now that Harding is in the MOAC and will be the class of the conference since JA is leaving...people will pay to come see Harding get beat. That will in turn help other schools when Harding plays at their school. And I'm not sure you guys are aware....MOAC schools get a cut of the profits when another league team hosts a state tournament game. Harding will host several games a year after the turf is done |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 13:34:24 GMT -5
The only reason the MOAC voted to let Harding in is because they thought it was be an easy win for them every year in football. That's not happening now so they don't want Harding around anymore. IF Harding gets voted out...it will because of ONE school(which has pretty much run the MOAC for 20 years) Another sad fact of life....I'm sure the reason a few schools don't want to play Harding anymore is because they don't like having to play against kids of color. I know all of you are going to say that has nothing to do with it....but sit in the stands of ANY MOAC school and you will hear some AWFUL things said about Harding. It goes back to when I was in school at Pleasant. It's ugly and it happens and there is no way anyone can say it doesn't That's untrue. They needed a school when they went to 8 schools in 2 divisions back in 2014 and their location played a big part in being accepted. Even though the schools had concerns and a few were dead against it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 13:37:18 GMT -5
The only reason the MOAC voted to let Harding in is because they thought it was be an easy win for them every year in football. That's not happening now so they don't want Harding around anymore. IF Harding gets voted out...it will because of ONE school(which has pretty much run the MOAC for 20 years)
Another sad fact of life....I'm sure the reason a few schools don't want to play Harding anymore is because they don't like having to play against kids of color. I know all of you are going to say that has nothing to do with it....but sit in the stands of ANY MOAC school and you will hear some AWFUL things said about Harding. It goes back to when I was in school at Pleasant. It's ugly and it happens and there is no way anyone can say it doesn't If they get voted out it will be because the smaller schools are not interested in being in a league with a larger school. Or because the Admins, coaches and fans of the smaller schools want them gone. It has happened before. |
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Post by jedbartlet98 on Oct 17, 2016 13:45:29 GMT -5
The only reason the MOAC voted to let Harding in is because they thought it was be an easy win for them every year in football. That's not happening now so they don't want Harding around anymore. IF Harding gets voted out...it will because of ONE school(which has pretty much run the MOAC for 20 years)
Another sad fact of life....I'm sure the reason a few schools don't want to play Harding anymore is because they don't like having to play against kids of color. I know all of you are going to say that has nothing to do with it....but sit in the stands of ANY MOAC school and you will hear some AWFUL things said about Harding. It goes back to when I was in school at Pleasant. It's ugly and it happens and there is no way anyone can say it doesn't If they get voted out it will be because the smaller schools are not interested in being in a league with a larger school. Or because the Admins, coaches and fans of the smaller schools want them gone. It has happened before. I don't want to hear that crap about them being a larger school. They were the same size when they were voted in. They don't like the fact that they aren't beating Harding. Plain and simple |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 13:45:48 GMT -5
jedbartlet98, Please explain the benefits of Harding in the MOAC for the schools other than Harding. I think everyone understands how it benefits Harding, but please enlighten us as to how it benefits the other schools in the MOAC. 1. Higher Division- benefits of that speak for itself 2. Facilities- Harding has the best facilities in the entire MOAC, which will be even better when they complete their field turf project. 3. Money- Let's face it....now that Harding is in the MOAC and will be the class of the conference since JA is leaving...people will pay to come see Harding get beat. That will in turn help other schools when Harding plays at their school. And I'm not sure you guys are aware....MOAC schools get a cut of the profits when another league team hosts a state tournament game. Harding will host several games a year after the turf is done Higher division teams can be found at any time and they don't have to be in competition for the league title. YOU seem to forget who you are adding to the MOAC. With Ontario and Clear Fork joining, you have 2 schools who could easily be against Harding in the future. Clear Fork is leaving the OCC to get away from 2-3 larger schools. Ontario sees itself as a small rural school and has little if any interest in being in a league with larger city schools. They both will schedule them for games but conference play is different. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 13:47:02 GMT -5
If they get voted out it will be because the smaller schools are not interested in being in a league with a larger school. Or because the Admins, coaches and fans of the smaller schools want them gone. It has happened before. I don't want to hear that crap about them being a larger school. They were the same size when they were voted in And as I said they were in need of a school then. Do you honestly think if Ontario had been available in 2014 the MOAC would have selected Harding over Ontario? |
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Post by jedbartlet98 on Oct 17, 2016 13:50:45 GMT -5
I don't want to hear that crap about them being a larger school. They were the same size when they were voted in And as I said they were in need of a school then. Do you honestly think if Ontario had been available in 2014 the MOAC would have selected Harding over Ontario? They would have.....plain and simple. I've spoken to 4 AD's in the conference and Harding was the one and only choice for that spot You think NU is all jazzed up about driving all the way to Ontario and Belleville on a Tuesday night in January for Basketball |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 13:53:56 GMT -5
And as I said they were in need of a school then. Do you honestly think if Ontario had been available in 2014 the MOAC would have selected Harding over Ontario? They would have.....plain and simple. I've spoken to 4 AD's in the conference and Harding was the one and only choice for that spot You think NU is all jazzed up about driving all the way to Ontario and Belleville on a Tuesday night in January for Basketball The "one and only" because of availability. I know 1 NU coach that would rather drive to Ontario and Bellville than to ever play Harding again. So yes, I do think there are schools interested in the potential future of the MOAC. |
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Post by 4 on Oct 17, 2016 13:58:29 GMT -5
Who cares. Harding here. Good competition. Let it go.
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Post by jedbartlet98 on Oct 17, 2016 14:08:58 GMT -5
They would have.....plain and simple. I've spoken to 4 AD's in the conference and Harding was the one and only choice for that spot You think NU is all jazzed up about driving all the way to Ontario and Belleville on a Tuesday night in January for Basketball The "one and only" because of availability. I know 1 NU coach that would rather drive to Ontario and Bellville than to ever play Harding again. So yes, I do think there are schools interested in the potential future of the MOAC. Then he needs his head examined. Having Harding in the MOAC is good for the long term health of the league. While you may not beat them every time....playing a team like them will help prepare for the playoffs |
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Post by rib1 on Oct 17, 2016 15:38:51 GMT -5
I have followed, and rooted for Pleasant the last 25 years. And followed and Supported the other teams around, Come Tourney time, whatever the Sport. First, I want to say MH playing Pleasant the last 2 years is perfect timing for them. IMO this Pleasant team is Over-Achieving this Season, and are not much better than last Season. I think this Pleasant team is WAY down the list of Pleasant teams over the last 25 years. NU is also Really down last 2 seasons, After many good ones. RV is down from having good teams a few years back. RV made the Playoffs 3 years ag0 Drilled MH when MH had LJ Scott (now playing for Louisville) Jones and other speedy skill players too. And that year RV beat Pleasant in OT (I dont think PL made Playoffs). Pl, NU and RV are Way down right now. If MH would have gotten in the League 7-8 years ago We would have seen. I have read JA fans saying the well is drying up for them next few years. It happens. I wish they were staying in the League, Because MH fans especially would see JA isn't all mighty, but at the top right now. I don't see them making much of a run in the Playoffs. And JA is definitely the best this year in our Conference. AGain, I like the Conference, I don't buy the MH is bigger they should win crap either. They dont deserve that. I've said for Years Pleasants had several really good teams.
Here is Region 19 D5 Canton Central Catholics Schedule this year. Notice they Beat 6-2 D2 Massilon Perry, and 6-2 D1 Massilon Jackson. And lost to D6 St. Thomas Aquinas.
Canton Central Catholic 2016 Football (5-3)
8/26 A New Philadelphia (7-1) [3:9] L 6-14
9/2 A Perry (6-2) [2:7] W 19-14
9/9 H Minerva (0-8) [4:15] W 56-0
9/15 H St Thomas Aquinas (7-1) [6:21] L 10-12
9/23 A Notre Dame-Cathedral Latin (6-2) [4:13] L 23-24
9/30 H Northwest (5-3) [4:15] W 31-0
10/7 H Loudonville (0-8) [6:21] W 38-13
10/14 A Jackson (6-2) [1:1] W 38-35
10/21 H Garfield (3-5) [2:5]
10/28 H Farrell (PA) (4-3) [7:0]
MH had Many Really Bad Seasons Before Hinton was there for 7 Years And had Several really bad teams after. And right now I think they are turning in the right direction. And have a Pretty good team. Some MH fans say its a no Win situation. I disagree. And I wish the other MOAC fans would quit whining about them being in the League. Heres 1 for you. MH is the only Boys team (on their 3rd year in the league) in the League to not have any Conference Championships, Fairbanks has 2..... LOL
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 15:58:07 GMT -5
The "one and only" because of availability. I know 1 NU coach that would rather drive to Ontario and Bellville than to ever play Harding again. So yes, I do think there are schools interested in the potential future of the MOAC. Then he needs his head examined. Having Harding in the MOAC is good for the long term health of the league. While you may not beat them every time....playing a team like them will help prepare for the playoffs Don't make this personal. I could care less where Harding is playing. But the reality is that not ever school in the MOAC loves having Harding and the 2 new schools coming in next year will not be on Harding's side if the Presidents get bigger and keep getting better. |
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Post by 4 on Oct 17, 2016 15:58:22 GMT -5
Harding had no defense it seemed like in the LJ Scott era. He played a little against rv but was hurt so came out and didn't return. They just didn't have defense to win more than 3 games those days. It's looking up now. And yes that's a good example showing that team beating d1 school but losing to a d6. Anything can happen. Some smaller schools have great players. Like pleasant does. Seen that in basketball too they almost went all the way in there division.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 17, 2016 16:03:33 GMT -5
You might want to think about the attitude a touch. Harding is a provisional member of the MOAC and is up for a vote this year to confirm their membership. Burn too many bridges with perceived behavior and Harding might be playing itself on its new turf field. Interesting. So who would be doing that voting? All the schools currently in the league? Just the ones currently in the league that are staying in the league next season? Or the ones that are staying plus the new two that are being added for next season? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 16:07:13 GMT -5
You might want to think about the attitude a touch. Harding is a provisional member of the MOAC and is up for a vote this year to confirm their membership. Burn too many bridges with perceived behavior and Harding might be playing itself on its new turf field. Interesting. So who would be doing that voting? All the schools currently in the league? Just the ones currently in the league that are staying in the league next season? Or the ones that are staying plus the new two that are being added for next season? Wow, that would be a way to make an opening for Shelby and still keep it an 8 team league. If it is true. |
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Post by rib1 on Oct 17, 2016 16:08:45 GMT -5
4, I don't think that was a Great MH team with LJ, but probably Average or better for them the last Decades. And I do think Harding may be heading into their best years ever in Basketball with the Coaching and getting kids to go out. Before you give MH too much credit for beating Pleasant D3 Regional Semi-finalist in B-ball last Season. Ridgedale beat Pleasant last year too... LOL! They made a Great run at the end.
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Post by blazer on Oct 17, 2016 19:00:58 GMT -5
WF, I'd like to see your proof of that. I went through the MOAC Constitution and no where does it state that any team, let alone, Harding is under such scrutiny. It states any school can be voted out by 3/4 of the League. www.moacsports.com/MISC/MOAC%20CONSTITUTION.pdfI graduated from Harding in '84. Played football and basketball in one of the toughest conferences in the state, Buckeye Conference, and am glad Harding is turning the corner in football. With that said, I have followed Harding and Pleasant for the last twenty years, and at best, Harding may have won five of those games. Today, Harding has answered the debate on the field and us Pleasant homers can't deny that. What works against Harding is the size of it's conference opponents. Like Buckeye Valley, Harding may have to win it's non-conference games and win all of it's conference games to get a sniff at the playoffs. Good luck to Harding and Pleasant the rest of the year. |
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Post by 4 on Oct 17, 2016 20:03:26 GMT -5
I have heard things too. Wasn't gonna bring that up tho. But yeah things have been said. I ignore it.
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Post by blazer on Oct 17, 2016 20:07:13 GMT -5
I'll take your word for it. I have not heard it. I've heard a lot of other crap, usually directed at the current Pleasant coach...from Pleasant fans.
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Post by 4 on Oct 17, 2016 20:09:47 GMT -5
Yeah it's just some stuff I won't say or to start any kinda battle. But what they have against pleasant coach. Not sure if I've heard.
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Post by blazer on Oct 17, 2016 20:13:15 GMT -5
Usually when they run the ball, instead of passing the ball, or little Johnny should get more playing time, but I'm in the stands and not on the field, so I don't hear those comments.
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Post by blazer on Oct 17, 2016 20:24:03 GMT -5
I was at the North Union/Chaminade Julienne playoff game a couple of years ago at North Union. I sat on the CJ side and could not believe the N word being used by the coaches...towards their own players. And their fans were calling their own players dumb ***** and pussies.
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Post by 4 on Oct 17, 2016 20:24:59 GMT -5
Yeah that's just horrible
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Post by blazer on Oct 17, 2016 20:30:24 GMT -5
Well, my coach at Harding at the time called everyone on the team a dumb SOB, one time or another. We just ignored it. Didn't make us want to try harder. Just thought he was a dick.
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Post by jro on Oct 17, 2016 22:26:12 GMT -5
I believe doing the wrong thing keeps you out of games and not Judges. really??? Because the same day the judge who is a pleasant coach was removed from his case he was allowed to play so get out of here a that bs |
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Post by jro on Oct 17, 2016 22:29:33 GMT -5
Oh wait don't let me leave out judges that keep our football players out of games and happens to coach at pleasant hahahaha You absolute ignorant toolbag, you make the whole Harding community look really stupid, however, we know better. How is stating a fact making me a moron,toolbag or whatever you want to call me it's what haopened |
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