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Post by wetsu on Oct 1, 2023 16:08:35 GMT -5
It doesn't appear as though Glenville is as good as last season but I think we'll know more after this week when they play Hoban. If Hoban doesn't take them to the shed then they will be the favorites in the region. I won't be able to see Perkins play during the regular season but would love to.
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Post by buckeyefan73 on Oct 2, 2023 0:23:05 GMT -5
What happened to taking it one week at a time? Week 7 just finished and now we are talking about a state championship? Crazy! What about finishing off the regular season strong and getting better each week? All you Pirates fans better hope that the kids and coaches are not thinking that way. For Perkins sake, I hope Tiffin plays up to their ability in week 10 because they need a true test before a big game in the postseason. Perkins is not that unstoppable and it is naive to thing that Glenville is the only they are worried about. Teams with offense talent and playmakers will score on Perkins. Can't leave your corners on an island all the time and not expect to get tourched when you play a worthy team. I’ve been saying that all season! One week at a time. Perkins if they get to face Glenville will see a secondary that can cover their WR’s Especially Bryce West who is a future Buckeye.
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Post by fanofthefall on Oct 2, 2023 7:08:57 GMT -5
As I read through these discussions on here, all that is being mentioned is the speed and playmaking abilities of both teams. Can Perkins sustain blocks long enough for Lesch to throw the ball? Can Perkins create any running lanes for Bunts? Can Perkins stop Glenville's running game or can Perkins get pressure on their QB? Once again, at this level of play, if you can't compete upfront, it doesn't matter hwo special your perimter athletes are. Just my two cents to add to the conversation. Again, I think that this conversation is too premature and the Pirates need to worry each of their opponents along the way.
Also, Glennville only lost to Avon 24-16, which is an undefeated DII team and is yearly one of the best in that division. To me, that is already a strong gauge to how good they. I find it funny that we are gauging Glenville's ability base on them playuing Hoban, IMG Academy, and Avon when Perkins has yet to play any noteworthy team that is even in the realm of those opponents. Perkins has yet to be tested by a quality opponent and we do not know how they will respond when they do get in a 4 quater competitive game.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 2, 2023 7:45:53 GMT -5
As I read through these discussions on here, all that is being mentioned is the speed and playmaking abilities of both teams. Can Perkins sustain blocks long enough for Lesch to throw the ball? Can Perkins create any running lanes for Bunts? Can Perkins stop Glenville's running game or can Perkins get pressure on their QB? Once again, at this level of play, if you can't compete upfront, it doesn't matter hwo special your perimter athletes are. Just my two cents to add to the conversation. Again, I think that this conversation is too premature and the Pirates need to worry each of their opponents along the way. Also, Glennville only lost to Avon 24-16, which is an undefeated DII team and is yearly one of the best in that division. To me, that is already a strong gauge to how good they. I find it funny that we are gauging Glenville's ability base on them playuing Hoban, IMG Academy, and Avon when Perkins has yet to play any noteworthy team that is even in the realm of those opponents. Perkins has yet to be tested by a quality opponent and we do not know how they will respond when they do get in a 4 quater competitive game. You make a lot of sense! How did they let you on this forum? LOL
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Post by csk on Oct 2, 2023 7:56:54 GMT -5
Simple answer to this diatribe: Glenville doesn’t belong in D4. They choose from around 600 boys between Glenville and “Ginn Academy”, whatever that is. The Tarblooders should be at least D2 themselves. That’s why they play Avon, Hoban, and IMG. A true D4 team wouldn’t hold up vs that. Common sense tells you that. So, of course Perkins isn’t playing that level because they can’t recruit to that level. It is what it is though, and the Pirates are excited to get a crack at Glenville should they play well enough to earn the right. As I read through these discussions on here, all that is being mentioned is the speed and playmaking abilities of both teams. Can Perkins sustain blocks long enough for Lesch to throw the ball? Can Perkins create any running lanes for Bunts? Can Perkins stop Glenville's running game or can Perkins get pressure on their QB? Once again, at this level of play, if you can't compete upfront, it doesn't matter hwo special your perimter athletes are. Just my two cents to add to the conversation. Again, I think that this conversation is too premature and the Pirates need to worry each of their opponents along the way. Also, Glennville only lost to Avon 24-16, which is an undefeated DII team and is yearly one of the best in that division. To me, that is already a strong gauge to how good they. I find it funny that we are gauging Glenville's ability base on them playuing Hoban, IMG Academy, and Avon when Perkins has yet to play any noteworthy team that is even in the realm of those opponents. Perkins has yet to be tested by a quality opponent and we do not know how they will respond when they do get in a 4 quater competitive game.
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Post by fanofthefall on Oct 2, 2023 8:14:07 GMT -5
Simple answer to this diatribe: Glenville doesn’t belong in D4. They choose from around 600 boys between Glenville and “Ginn Academy”, whatever that is. The Tarblooders should be at least D2 themselves. That’s why they play Avon, Hoban, and IMG. A true D4 team wouldn’t hold up vs that. Common sense tells you that. So, of course Perkins isn’t playing that level because they can’t recruit to that level. It is what it is though, and the Pirates are excited to get a crack at Glenville should they play well enough to earn the right. As I read through these discussions on here, all that is being mentioned is the speed and playmaking abilities of both teams. Can Perkins sustain blocks long enough for Lesch to throw the ball? Can Perkins create any running lanes for Bunts? Can Perkins stop Glenville's running game or can Perkins get pressure on their QB? Once again, at this level of play, if you can't compete upfront, it doesn't matter hwo special your perimter athletes are. Just my two cents to add to the conversation. Again, I think that this conversation is too premature and the Pirates need to worry each of their opponents along the way. Also, Glennville only lost to Avon 24-16, which is an undefeated DII team and is yearly one of the best in that division. To me, that is already a strong gauge to how good they. I find it funny that we are gauging Glenville's ability base on them playuing Hoban, IMG Academy, and Avon when Perkins has yet to play any noteworthy team that is even in the realm of those opponents. Perkins has yet to be tested by a quality opponent and we do not know how they will respond when they do get in a 4 quater competitive game. I agree 100% with you that Glenville doesn't belong in D4 just like TCC shouldn't be a D3 school. Glenville can recruit among the Cleveland Metropolitan area and it doesn't change their CB number. Totally an uneven playing field for communities like we have in our area. You are right, they should be at least a D2 school. All the other schools in Cleveland Metropolitan School District are either D1 or D2 but magically Glenville is D4.
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Post by Mike Hula on Oct 2, 2023 8:17:30 GMT -5
csk has a valid point with school size- same with Toledo Central Catholic in D3. Richmond Heights in basketball.
I give more credit to the schools however who do it without a bunch of transfers, add ons whatever you want to call it. Not a lot of move ins or transfers on Bellevue or Edison. Coaches who do it the right way and don't push the envelope. (sorry Edison is a bad example with the kids that "arrive" to wrestle...)
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Post by ronmexico on Oct 2, 2023 8:41:25 GMT -5
We recruit too. The way Glenville and Cleveland Public is set up just makes it a little easier on their end with more to choose from. Glenville as a school has had catastrophic changes with enrollment which dropped them to D IV. We have quite a few kids on our roster and in other sports who came here for "opportunities" that are well beyond academics. If some of our studs stayed in their original district, we may not be undefeated right now.
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Post by Mike Hula on Oct 2, 2023 8:49:12 GMT -5
We recruit too. The way Glenville and Cleveland Public is set up just makes it a little easier on their end with more to choose from. Glenville as a school has had catastrophic changes with enrollment which dropped them to D IV. We have quite a few kids on our roster and in other sports who came here for "opportunities" that are well beyond academics. If some of our studs stayed in their original district, we may not be undefeated right now. 10000%
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Post by nwofball on Oct 2, 2023 8:51:14 GMT -5
We recruit too. The way Glenville and Cleveland Public is set up just makes it a little easier on their end with more to choose from. Glenville as a school has had catastrophic changes with enrollment which dropped them to D IV. We have quite a few kids on our roster and in other sports who came here for "opportunities" that are well beyond academics. If some of our studs stayed in their original district, we may not be undefeated right now. Don't let the Perkins faithful see this lmao
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Post by fanofthefall on Oct 2, 2023 9:00:33 GMT -5
We recruit too. The way Glenville and Cleveland Public is set up just makes it a little easier on their end with more to choose from. Glenville as a school has had catastrophic changes with enrollment which dropped them to D IV. We have quite a few kids on our roster and in other sports who came here for "opportunities" that are well beyond academics. If some of our studs stayed in their original district, we may not be undefeated right now. It very safe to say that Perkins has more key players that are transfers than any othe school in the SBC. Perkins will be D3 in football very soon if this trend continues.
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Post by Mike Hula on Oct 2, 2023 9:14:35 GMT -5
We recruit too. The way Glenville and Cleveland Public is set up just makes it a little easier on their end with more to choose from. Glenville as a school has had catastrophic changes with enrollment which dropped them to D IV. We have quite a few kids on our roster and in other sports who came here for "opportunities" that are well beyond academics. If some of our studs stayed in their original district, we may not be undefeated right now. It very safe to say that Perkins has more key players that are transfers than any othe school in the SBC. Perkins will be D3 in football very soon if this trend continues. We have quite a few kids on our roster and in other sports who came here for "opportunities" that are well beyond academics. If some of our studs stayed in their original district, we may not be undefeated right now.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Oct 2, 2023 9:53:43 GMT -5
Personally, I think Glenville should be in the B1G. Their athletes end up at OSU, anyways
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Post by piratefan on Oct 2, 2023 10:06:03 GMT -5
Perkins can not help it if they have a school system that a lot of students, athletes, AND parents, want to send their children to. Why punish success? Improve your own school system and maybe the kids will stay there.
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Post by ronmexico on Oct 2, 2023 10:23:37 GMT -5
That's fine to say, but don't point the finger at Glenville. Those kids are also going for an opportunity. If the majority of those kids go on to play at the next level, well then that was an opportunity that they took advantage of. We at Perkins just like to act that we are not playing the same game.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 2, 2023 10:30:06 GMT -5
I wasn't pointing a finger at Glenville. Successful school systems draw quality students and athletes. Perkins is drawing students from other areas. That's something to be proud about, imho. I see no reason to not admit that, even laud it.
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Post by Mike Hula on Oct 2, 2023 11:26:11 GMT -5
I wasn't pointing a finger at Glenville. Successful school systems draw quality students and athletes. Perkins is drawing students from other areas. That's something to be proud about, imho. I see no reason to not admit that, even laud it. My guess, when the new numbers are announced next year, they will be D3.
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Post by Birdman on Oct 2, 2023 11:32:58 GMT -5
Great point, but in terms of recruiting I wouldn’t call Perkins “recruiting” in the same terms as say Glenville. I could be completely wrong though. But I doubt coaches are meeting with families like we traditionally think when the term recruiting is used. I said it before but Glenville use to be D1 and now they’re D4! That’s a chunk of enrollment lost if you ask me.
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Post by kritz on Oct 2, 2023 12:28:16 GMT -5
It doesn't appear as though Glenville is as good as last season but I think we'll know more after this week when they play Hoban. If Hoban doesn't take them to the shed then they will be the favorites in the region. I won't be able to see Perkins play during the regular season but would love to. Totally agree about them being better last season.
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Post by sbclives on Oct 2, 2023 13:16:43 GMT -5
It doesn't appear as though Glenville is as good as last season but I think we'll know more after this week when they play Hoban. If Hoban doesn't take them to the shed then they will be the favorites in the region. I won't be able to see Perkins play during the regular season but would love to. Totally agree about them being better last season. A little tough living up to a state championship team with another team in contention for a title.
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Post by ronmexico on Oct 2, 2023 14:53:28 GMT -5
Great point, but in terms of recruiting I wouldn’t call Perkins “recruiting” in the same terms as say Glenville. I could be completely wrong though. But I doubt coaches are meeting with families like we traditionally think when the term recruiting is used. I said it before but Glenville use to be D1 and now they’re D4! That’s a chunk of enrollment lost if you ask me. It is a chunk of enrollment. East Cleveland (Glenville) has had a massive reduction in population. East Cleveland's population is down to 14,000 people. In 2010 they had upwards of 25,000. Relatively speaking, that sounds about right for the size of a DIV school.
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Post by sbclives on Oct 2, 2023 15:08:18 GMT -5
Glenvilles school district is the entire city of Cleveland also known as the metro school district. Major advantage when you’re getting big city talent from all over Cleveland compared to small farm communities who have nowhere near the talent of the big cities.
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Post by bgsustudent19 on Oct 2, 2023 15:22:35 GMT -5
I do hope Perkins is that talented, let’s all come back to reality a bit though this is a long season where a lot can happen over these next few weeks, certainly sounds like the pirates have a lot of the pieces to make a deep run though.
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Post by tonyperkis on Oct 2, 2023 16:22:31 GMT -5
Perkins will finish the season as undefeated state champions. Glenville wants nothing to do with the Pirates, who cannot be stopped on offense. In fact, Glenville may be the only team that can even keep close to Perkins, although I really think the Pirates will beat them. And the Browns will win the Super Bowl
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Post by ronmexico on Oct 2, 2023 16:32:59 GMT -5
Glenvilles school district is the entire city of Cleveland also known as the metro school district. Major advantage when you’re getting big city talent from all over Cleveland compared to small farm communities who have nowhere near the talent of the big cities. I hear that, but the reason for that specific schools enrollment decline is due to what I stated earlier. I don't deny the fact that they can pull from anywhere, but their enrollment numbers overall can be traced back to what has happened in East Cleveland where Glenville is located.
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Post by gamedayguru85 on Oct 2, 2023 17:24:43 GMT -5
csk has a valid point with school size- same with Toledo Central Catholic in D3. Richmond Heights in basketball. I give more credit to the schools however who do it without a bunch of transfers, add ons whatever you want to call it. Not a lot of move ins or transfers on Bellevue or Edison. Coaches who do it the right way and don't push the envelope. (sorry Edison is a bad example with the kids that "arrive" to wrestle...) Bellevue isn't the greatest example either. Greg Keys was a staple and one of the best players ever for the Redmen as a transfer. You can pick and choose who you would like to single out but at least know what you are talking about. Nobody around here is recruiting like Hoban, TCC, Glenville, or St Eds but there are plenty of schools in the area who have benefited from some transfers. The world we live in is transfer based. Look at the collegiate and pro levels.
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Post by gamedayguru85 on Oct 2, 2023 17:26:07 GMT -5
I do hope Perkins is that talented, let’s all come back to reality a bit though this is a long season where a lot can happen over these next few weeks, certainly sounds like the pirates have a lot of the pieces to make a deep run though. Very long season ahead for the Pirates. A lot can happen. But Glenville is the best team in the state until proven otherwise.
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Post by csk on Oct 2, 2023 17:43:47 GMT -5
There’s levels to “recruiting”, to say the least. A few transfers is nowhere close to recruiting man. Glenville is within the rules apparently, but no way should they be in D4. Their CB doesn’t include the over 300 boys they have access to through “Ginn Academy”, it counts Glenville HS only. That’s why they’re D4. Not sure how you don’t see the ridiculous nature in that. We recruit too. The way Glenville and Cleveland Public is set up just makes it a little easier on their end with more to choose from. Glenville as a school has had catastrophic changes with enrollment which dropped them to D IV. We have quite a few kids on our roster and in other sports who came here for "opportunities" that are well beyond academics. If some of our studs stayed in their original district, we may not be undefeated right now.
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Post by ronmexico on Oct 2, 2023 19:18:52 GMT -5
There’s levels to “recruiting”, to say the least. A few transfers is nowhere close to recruiting man. Glenville is within the rules apparently, but no way should they be in D4. Their CB doesn’t include the over 300 boys they have access to through “Ginn Academy”, it counts Glenville HS only. That’s why they’re D4. Not sure how you don’t see the ridiculous nature in that. We recruit too. The way Glenville and Cleveland Public is set up just makes it a little easier on their end with more to choose from. Glenville as a school has had catastrophic changes with enrollment which dropped them to D IV. We have quite a few kids on our roster and in other sports who came here for "opportunities" that are well beyond academics. If some of our studs stayed in their original district, we may not be undefeated right now. I understand that and I I don't disagree. I was merely explaining how the Glenville numbers got to the level they are at. And our kids are more than just transfers. Some were contacted by coaches in other sports, and openly admitted it on their way out the door at those schools. Let's face it, our best years previous to this recent run was when we were able to get kids from Sandusky when open enrollment started. It is what it is!
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Post by don on Oct 2, 2023 19:48:55 GMT -5
There’s levels to “recruiting”, to say the least. A few transfers is nowhere close to recruiting man. Glenville is within the rules apparently, but no way should they be in D4. Their CB doesn’t include the over 300 boys they have access to through “Ginn Academy”, it counts Glenville HS only. That’s why they’re D4. Not sure how you don’t see the ridiculous nature in that. I understand that and I I don't disagree. I was merely explaining how the Glenville numbers got to the level they are at. And our kids are more than just transfers. Some were contacted by coaches in other sports, and openly admitted it on their way out the door at those schools. Let's face it, our best years previous to this recent run was when we were able to get kids from Sandusky when open enrollment started. It is what it is! okay Scott
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