MOAC 2017

[Willard Fillmore]

Feb 16, 2017 17:21:15 GMT -5 galiontiger said:

Well I spoke to a Division 2 college head coach that will offer him a walk-up qb slot to fight for a scholarship. The college gave us a decent financial package..about 6200 a half year. So it's a hard choice, but Chase might be disqualified, because the college doesn't SUPER score the ACT. I thought most Division 2 colleges would take the highest score on whatever ACT score you had. Chase scored the highest on his last ACT score, but the worst in the math section. In fact in every other ACT he has taken in the past, he was has a good enough math score for this college, except this last test. They are talking probation for a semester because of this one score. I'm seeking more guidance on this. Plus we are still waiting on the financial aide package of two - Division 3 schools.

Of course we are focusing on education. The Division 2 college would be an excellent choice for his degree actually. They have summer internships for the FBI down in Washington. I'm actually not too concerned about Chase not being able to handle college level clbutts. He's doing fabulous now, it's just too late. I've thought about JUCO like a Hocking Hills, but I spoke to the college last year about my oldest son joining the team. He wouldn't let him, because it was a few weeks before the season. He said they have like 125 or 175 kids that were on the football team. But I've heard good news about a Juco colleges, the only thing I heard though is that county for years of college football. So if you spend 2 years down there, that's 2 years less at the college you get recruited by.

Junior colleges are colleges. The courses taken at JUCOs, transfer to colleges. The sports are better than at some DIIs and most DIIIs. College recruiters look for players at JUCOs. You don't have to stay at a JUCO for 2 years, you can move to a College after one year, if your academics are acceptable at that point. 

[galiontiger]

Feb 26, 2017 18:19:00 GMT -5 heresjim said:

Have you ever heard of a prep school? I don't know if that is the route you want to go and I admit I know little about them, but apparently you can go to one after high school, play football, work on the ACT, get recruited and keep all your years of eligibility.

Here's one I found searching real quick that gives a break down of what they are about.

www.midwestprepacademy.com/why-choose/

Here's a list. There are a couple in Ohio.

www.admissionsquest.com/cfm_public/pg_schls.cfm/id/10/s/post-graduate-boarding

I've never heard of prep-school for football. Chase's ACT is high enough. It's his GPA not being high enough to get recruited. It will be higher once these 4 classes hit at the end of the year though (that aren't figured into his GPA now.) Chase is running all A's and B's now this semester. Thanks...we will look into these colleges.

[galiontiger]

Feb 26, 2017 19:27:34 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Feb 16, 2017 17:21:15 GMT -5 galiontiger said:

Well I spoke to a Division 2 college head coach that will offer him a walk-up qb slot to fight for a scholarship. The college gave us a decent financial package..about 6200 a half year. So it's a hard choice, but Chase might be disqualified, because the college doesn't SUPER score the ACT. I thought most Division 2 colleges would take the highest score on whatever ACT score you had. Chase scored the highest on his last ACT score, but the worst in the math section. In fact in every other ACT he has taken in the past, he was has a good enough math score for this college, except this last test. They are talking probation for a semester because of this one score. I'm seeking more guidance on this. Plus we are still waiting on the financial aide package of two - Division 3 schools.

Of course we are focusing on education. The Division 2 college would be an excellent choice for his degree actually. They have summer internships for the FBI down in Washington. I'm actually not too concerned about Chase not being able to handle college level clbutts. He's doing fabulous now, it's just too late. I've thought about JUCO like a Hocking Hills, but I spoke to the college last year about my oldest son joining the team. He wouldn't let him, because it was a few weeks before the season. He said they have like 125 or 175 kids that were on the football team. But I've heard good news about a Juco colleges, the only thing I heard though is that county for years of college football. So if you spend 2 years down there, that's 2 years less at the college you get recruited by.

Junior colleges are colleges. The courses taken at JUCOs, transfer to colleges. The sports are better than at some DIIs and most DIIIs. College recruiters look for players at JUCOs. You don't have to stay at a JUCO for 2 years, you can move to a College after one year, if your academics are acceptable at that point. 

Yeah! We just don't know where he's going to end up. I'm just going to be honest with everyone on here. Chase has 3 options right now: 1.  Go to Baldwin Wallace (we should have a financial package in 2 weeks from there "IF" he gets accepted there. They are looking at him via the board of admissions.) Chase likes the school. They treated him like a King when he was there. He could come right in and possibly become the quarterback, plus they have a Junior Varsity program too, 2. Go to JUCO, like Hocking Hills, though I've really looked into it yet and 3. Go to Tiffin and walk-on. I think Tiffin would be the perfect fit for him "IF" he truly got a shot at being their QB for next year. The coach wants him to come in and compete for a job this year. They could red-shirt him too. He's going to watch a practice here in a few weeks and meet the coach. Tiffin just graduated their 4-year starting quarterback - Antonio Pipken. The guy literally has a shot to get drafted into the NFL. I read with the New Orleans Saints. That's amazing. We still have to get over that probation that Tiffin wants to put him on for his math ACT score. So Chase doesn't have many options, but he still has a couple. We will just see how it all pans out. I appreciate all your advice. Thank you.

*** Anyone have anymore advice since now you know his options? I'm just curious on what people think about those three.

[4]

In my opinion. If he wants to do something with football. Best option would be 3. Maybe redshirt a year If have to. But pipken will be drafted forsure. If it can happen to him it can happen to anyone. But education top priority anywhere, all 3 would work out im sure. 2 is a good one too, do well and d2 forsure. Do great and LM d1 and mac schools come in to play or even higher. I'd just wait and see what happens with option 1 and then weigh the 3.

[galiontiger]

Thanks for the advice "4".

[Eagles nest]

GT, I would wait for BW to comeback with their financial package before Chase makes any decision. If the BW coach likes him, he will be accepted. As for Tiffin they did not sign any QB’s to this year’s clbutt but rumor has it they have 2 walking on to go with the 5 already on the roster. They are really high on a sophomore from LaSalle HS. The best part if he goes D3 he can always transfer later if he needs more of a challenge ad his grades get turned around. Also I think it would come down to $$$. The cost between BW and Tiffin is about 6k which isn’t much considering everything. Sounds like you will still owe around 20k after Tiffin’s financial package, if BW is cheaper I’d go with it. Also sounds like Chase could play as a freshman at BW. As for Pipkin he will be a free agent pick up, he will not be drafted.

[Willard Fillmore]

GT, I remember seeing where you said your son had an interest in working for the FBI. IMO law enforcement and the military are 2 of the most highly respected careers and terms of service in the country. I was curious about the FBI so I did a little research. To get a job with the FBI requires a bachelors degree in Criminal Justice, Political Science, Engineering or a Law Degree. With at least a 3.0 GPA and 3 years of work experience in criminal justice or a Masters Degree and 2 years of experience. Being fluent in at least one foreign language is a particular strength. I did not realize the requirements were so stringent. The choice of schools should be a priority for this profession over playing football, IMO.

[galiontiger]

Feb 28, 2017 7:32:53 GMT -5 Eagles nest said:

GT, I would wait for BW to comeback with their financial package before Chase makes any decision. If the BW coach likes him, he will be accepted. As for Tiffin they did not sign any QB’s to this year’s clbutt but rumor has it they have 2 walking on to go with the 5 already on the roster. They are really high on a sophomore from LaSalle HS. The best part if he goes D3 he can always transfer later if he needs more of a challenge ad his grades get turned around. Also I think it would come down to $$$. The cost between BW and Tiffin is about 6k which isn’t much considering everything. Sounds like you will still owe around 20k after Tiffin’s financial package, if BW is cheaper I’d go with it. Also sounds like Chase could play as a freshman at BW. As for Pipkin he will be a free agent pick up, he will not be drafted.

If BW is cheaper, I'm sure we would go with it. He likes Baldwin Wallace. The QB coach loves him. Honestly Chase went up there personally to interview with the admission office..that was a good 2 weeks ago. I spoke with the counselor, and she assured me that the committee would review it last week or this week. The coach called me like this last weekend and said he was going to get hot on it and get an answer back.  We haven't heard anything from him. He did say he couldn't get Chase an academic scholarship.  Honestly I just don't trust coaches, especially after all the "hogwash" I heard from a Wittenberg coach. Man! I swore to me that they would get Chase down there. That didn't happen admissions said "Nope!" So I don't really trust coaches in the recruiting arena. They don't have any pull from what I've seen.

I knew that Tiffin had the LaSalle quarterback. He had a decent HUDL video I watched.  We know it would be a chance. I've talked to Chase about it. He's pretty confident in his abilities. If he doesn't cut it, it's because he didn't have what it took. I also talked to him about transferring if it didn't work out. 

You are close on your figure of 20,000 a year at Tiffin. I got him coming in at 17,700 dol a year. 12,356 out of pocket loan...and about $5400 in subsidized / unsubsidized loans. I figure BW couldn't beat that. If it's $4,000 more a year, we are probably going to have a problem with that. Being honest..that would be $16,000 more for a 4 year degree. At least with Tiffin, he could possibly get $2,000 - $4,000 more a year with a football scholarship. Tiffin I heard don't give out full-ride football scholarship.

[galiontiger]

Feb 28, 2017 14:57:42 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

GT, I remember seeing where you said your son had an interest in working for the FBI. IMO law enforcement and the military are 2 of the most highly respected careers and terms of service in the country. I was curious about the FBI so I did a little research. To get a job with the FBI requires a bachelors degree in Criminal Justice, Political Science, Engineering or a Law Degree. With at least a 3.0 GPA and 3 years of work experience in criminal justice or a Masters Degree and 2 years of experience. Being fluent in at least one foreign language is a particular strength. I did not realize the requirements were so stringent. The choice of schools should be a priority for this profession over playing football, IMO.

Well Tiffin supposedly is known for their outstanding Criminal Justice program. They said in our basic brief that is what they are known for throughout Ohio and the country. I guess during the summer between Junior and Senior year you do a summer internship down in Washington D.C. with the FBI. Chase isn't fluent in a foreign language. He's taking Spanish II this year. Getting B's and C's in there. Chase was on the Merit Roll. He's really turned it around education-wise...just too late though. So we will see how it all pans out. I was thinking about Otterbein too, but the coach really likes Chase, but they told him a long time ago. They let you enjoy your last year in High School..don't really worry about recruiting. That was before they knew about his low GPA. haha!

[4]

At otterbien current qb is rv grad that played last year for rv. He was alright. Similar to chase I must say. Size wise. Otter played 2 qbs last year I believe tho.

[galiontiger]

Well honestly Chase's girlfriend is going to Otterbein for a year or so, but I'd probably want him not to go there...too much distraction. LOL It's coming down between Heidelberg, Tiffin and Baldwin Wallace. All 3 schools have admitted Chase now. We are only waiting for BW's financial package. Heidelberg came in just about 600 dollars more a year than Tiffin, buuuuttt they are placing Chase into this program "IF" he can maintain a 3.0 GPA for 4 years at Heidelberg; the college will allow him to get his Master Degree in his 5th year of college for free. I think that's a pretty interesting deal.

Chase is going to go watch Tiffin's practice here in a couple of weeks. We are planning on visiting Heidelberg once more here in 2 weeks too. AND we will have BW's financial package hopefully by next week. I don't want to mess with this into April. I want him committed to a school by April 1st.

[galiontiger]

Feb 28, 2017 7:32:53 GMT -5 Eagles nest said:

GT, I would wait for BW to comeback with their financial package before Chase makes any decision. If the BW coach likes him, he will be accepted. As for Tiffin they did not sign any QB’s to this year’s clbutt but rumor has it they have 2 walking on to go with the 5 already on the roster. They are really high on a sophomore from LaSalle HS. The best part if he goes D3 he can always transfer later if he needs more of a challenge ad his grades get turned around. Also I think it would come down to $$$. The cost between BW and Tiffin is about 6k which isn’t much considering everything. Sounds like you will still owe around 20k after Tiffin’s financial package, if BW is cheaper I’d go with it. Also sounds like Chase could play as a freshman at BW. As for Pipkin he will be a free agent pick up, he will not be drafted.

The BW package came in about $2000 less a year on "Just the personal loan" side of the house. Meaning it cost Chase about 10,242 dollars a year. But if you look at it overall (including the subsidized and unsubsidized loans), BW is only $1,000 a year cheaper than Tiffin. So it's a hard call, I guess if you are looking at it from a football standpoint - I'm leaning toward BW, because they really want him. They call and talk to me and him telling us as such. They guarantee him playing time right away. Chase is leaning toward Tiffin right, just because of better competition and a better football program. They both want him to come to a practice now.

*** I did ask BW to come up with a better package. I was told we will have an answer by tomorrow (Monday) thru the Dean. So I'll see if they can do better.

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A little piece of advice at this point. Making the choice of college based on the college and not the football program may be the best idea. No offense, but you don't choose between Tiffin and BW because of football interest. OSU and Bama maybe, but not Tiffin and BW.

[galiontiger]

Well personally here's my take...I don't even know if you do it by education either. We are talking a major in Criminal Justice; we aren't talking about a degree in Nuclear Science. LOL I'm looking now on who wants him more and will he play right away. You don't want to not get a chance to play if you are going to pay all that money. Chase will pay for all it too. BW really wants him. They have a Junior Varsity team, so (just me personally) I'm leaning toward BW now. I was leaning toward Tiffin just because it's a better division. But it's not my decision either.... Thanks for the advice Dude. Seriously I appreciate it.

[4]

When's he deciding? It'll be interesting to see where he goes.

[galiontiger]

Yeah! I don't know I'm trying to get him to see each practice now. Maybe Tiffin this Saturday. It's hard, because baseball goes almost every night now. The BW coach called me Sunday. They really want him to commit to them, so we will see how the Tiffin practice goes. He will be more challenged at Tiffin, but who knows..he might never play there. At least BW he will play right away. College should be fun, so I like BW, but like I said it's gonna be his decision. I'm gonna back him 110%.

[galiontiger]

Well never made it to Tiffin's practice, Chase decided on Baldwin Wallace. It's hard to turn a team down who really wants you to be on their team. He will have a chance to play right away there, even if its only on the Junior Varsity team at first. The campus is very nice. The field is amazing! One of the teacher is a former FBI agent; I was told. But that might have been a sales technique dropped on us. LOL There were so many more positives than Tiffin. Though last year Tiffin had a good team, but you don't know how good they will be this year with a new quarterback. The down-side is not playing on a Division II team (But BW is in one of the toughest DIV III divisions in football.) AND giving up a chance at football scholarship money next year. But BW was cheaper this upcoming year than Tiffin, though their tuition is more. They gave Chase more money and more opportunities on the football field and at the college. They were about $4,000 less a year than Tiffin.  I love the college; it's closer to me. I can see almost all the games. It was just a good fit for Chase. BW actually only had 2 wins last year, 5 of their losses was by 7 points or less..the 6th loss was by 10 points. Their JV team went like 8-1 or something like that, so they have a competitive team. Though they got blown out by Mount Union..at half it was like 10-7. They only lost to John Carroll (who went 10-0) 17-10. So they got a good nucleus still I'm hoping. They just hired a new coach from Cincinnati La Salle High School. So we are all excited. I'm happy for Chase finding a good home.

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Congratulations gt, I hope it's the school he wants to be at.

[galiontiger]

Mar 26, 2017 7:08:50 GMT -5 @scooter said:

Congratulations gt, I hope it's the school he wants to be at.

Thank you, "Dude". You know it was, because I had a practice set for Saturday to go see Tiffin University and meet with the coach and was going to do the same for BW. But Chase canceled it and said he was going to commit to BW.  You know it basically came down to a lot of things: One: BW was actually cheaper than Tiffin. Two: There was no guarantee at Tiffin. It was me calling and emailing the coach. Just walking-on there. Three: We just felt the college (BW) was a better fit...campus is nicer...the support seems stronger for their athletic program. BUT....above all else...being a young man...you go play for someone who is excited about you coming there. All the BW coaches were aggressive in wanting Chase there. Their quarterback coach told Chase they would get him to come to BW last May or June, and we didn't get 3 feet in the door. lol  He told Chase after the camp that he could be the perfect quarterback if he could just learn to set that back foot when he throws. Yeah! That guy is a GREAT recruiter. haha! 

I'm just more than excited. You have Cleveland right there where he can go up there and enjoy himself on the weekend with his friends. They practice in the indoor facility of the Browns. The football stadium is AMAZING! We were up there last year for an Alumni game against Mount Union, and they had an outdoor cookout in the open area around beside the stadium/athletic center and dorms. There must have been 2,000 people enjoying themselves. They must have a great tradition there. PLUS Chase will get to play right away, which is very important for Chase and I. So there was a lot of things involved in his decision, but honestly Chase just wants to go attend a college and play football. Young kids don't look at things like us parents do..well not mine that is.

[galiontiger]

...and I know some people on here will think "but it's only a Division III program..." I get that. That's why initially I was pushing for the competition of a Division II football program and the chance at football money next year at Tiffin. We also talked late about Hocking Hills college (a JUCO), but there's no guarantee with that either and with his degree, Criminal Justice, I was worried on how many college credits would actually transfer to a Division I or Division II college. Their team down there isn't that good either, so there were a lot of questions for me. We finally had to just look at it like this, "What's best for Chase?...Where will he be a better fit at?..Go have fun somewhere for 4 years and enjoy your last 4 years before having to get a "real job" and becoming a dreaded....ADULT. ha!....Enjoy your time somewhere for 4 years..." It came down to looking at the opportunity to be successful at college and also have the opportunity to excel on a football team. BW's football team isn't that far off from competing for a league title against a Mount Union or John Carroll team. They both made it.. what? The final 4 games last year in the playoffs. (I think.) So Baldwin Wallace was an excellent choice for Chase. We will see what he makes of it now. It's all on him now.

[Deleted]

My advice would be to keep things in perspective. It is easy to be excited about the football part of it but the fact is your son is not John Elway and the focus is the education. Lots of athletes attend college with dreams of sports but few get to play and even less stay with it for 4 years. Specially those who are a DII or DIII athletes. And with many, once the sport is gone the reason to be at that school is gone.

[galiontiger]

I totally agree with you on keeping everything in perspective. But I will disagree you in a sense, you don't know what my son can become. It's up to him how good he becomes. I don't really look at it as education. I know that sounds bad, but really "Dude" you think a Tiffin degree in Criminal Justice holds more weight than a Baldwin Wallace degree in the same field or vice versa? I don't think it matters honestly. Now if he was taking Nuclear Science..yeah probably..criminal justice not so much. I look at the college what fits my son better. How much is the college showing him how bad they would like for him to attend? Baldwin Wallace showed us everything. We are happy with his decision, AND we are excited about his successful 4 years at being a college quarterback.

[Deleted]

You are missing my point. I was not comparing Tiffin and BW. I was talking about life decisions based on his future and not football alone. No offense but if your talk is about the BW junior varsity team then football is not a career choice. Just sayin.

Enjoy the time in high school you have left. Be happy in your move back to Wooster and I hope your son has a success education at BW.

[4]

BW is nice. Been there a few times. Really nice campus and facilities. Congrats to him and you guys.

[galiontiger]

Mar 26, 2017 20:42:07 GMT -5 @scooter said:

You are missing my point. I was not comparing Tiffin and BW. I was talking about life decisions based on his future and not football alone. No offense but if your talk is about the BW junior varsity team then football is not a career choice. Just sayin.

Enjoy the time in high school you have left. Be happy in your move back to Wooster and I hope your son has a success education at BW.

I'm not that stupid to base a life decision on football. My son got hurt this season in his 2nd game and was out 3 games. Didn't even win any league awards based on his performance. His GPA is only probably a 2.3 at the present time. BW gave him almost $26,000 in gift aid. It DEFINITELY wasn't for a football career choice. ha! It was go to a school that wants you AND will show you they want you. Go have fun for 4 years and enjoy yourself..become the best student you can be..learn a new skill. BUT also become as good as you can become as a football player and lead your team to victories. See how good you can become and go from there. Nothing more..nothing less. I understand what you are saying. I just didn't like your John Elway comment. I didn't think it was needed to be thrown in there like that. (Just my opinion..should be just positives thing said towards a young man.) I appreciate you making your point though, and I do agree with you in principle. Thank you. I do respect it. At least you made a comment. ha! It means a lot to me.

Thank you 4! Honestly I always liked BW from the start. It's too bad they are only a Division III college, but he's going to make the best of it. He's excited, and I am. (You should have seen him trying to get out of calling the coach to tell him he was going to commit to them. He was so nervous and trying to make every excuse in the world NOT to then. "Ooohh! I'll call him later...what do I say?...ha!) I'm SUPER PROUD of him for turning his grades around and becoming more disciplined in school. Here's to him continuing it on a higher level now.

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Never said or thought you were stupid but many parents and kids make college choices chasing a dream, which is fine, and it doesn't usually end well. College coaches say what they have to in an attempt to try and be successful but also they need numbers to fill a roster. It is the system and I am fine with it but I always like to see the high school athlete have as much info as possible. The aid schools give can be irrelevant as every kid can get it. Lots of factors for aid and it usually has little to do with sports at a DIII or even a DII school. I support chasing a dream with a level head and understand dreams can come true. Best of luck Chase.

[galiontiger]

I totally agree with you "Dude"..well said.

[deathfromabove]

galiontigers, When you said to bad it's only a D-III school, please don't knock D-III down. There are some professional football players and some coaches to that graduate from D-III schools. There are others who played other sports like baseball, basketball and other sports that came from D-III schools.

[galiontiger]

Mar 27, 2017 20:45:54 GMT -5 deathfromabove said:

galiontigers, When you said to bad it's only a D-III school, please don't knock D-III down. There are some professional football players and some coaches to that graduate from D-III schools. There are others who played other sports like baseball, basketball and other sports that came from D-III schools.

Hey! I thought that was "DUDE" who did that? ME? haha! I see where you quoted me on it. Basically what I meant was NOT the level of play. It's having my son, Chase walk away from college paying for a $60,000 degree in 4 years at BW. I'm not paying for it. I told all my children, you either get GREAT grades in college and get an academic scholarship or you better be an athletic stud and get a athletic scholarhips...OR join the service, preferably the Marines. ha! ....cause daddy-o isn't paying for college. I got 4 damn kids; I'd be broke. haha!  If he would have gotten a Division I or Division II college, college would have been paid for or "most of it" paid for. It wasn't lack of talent...lack of grades. ha! So he keeps moving forward and is thankful he can still go to college and maybe play a sport he loves too.

From what I saw from attending 4 college games last year is there is no difference in play between Division II or Division III football. The only difference I saw was size on the line, except for Mount Union. ha! That's why those 2 Mount Union games were like 14-7 against BW and Heidelberg last year at half but ended like 48-14 both games. Those BIG boys on the line wore down BW and Heidelberg in the 2nd half. I saw 2 - Division II games too...One Tiffin..One between Ashland and Ohio Dominican.  So like I told "Dude" I never say a kid coming out of Division III can't make it to the next level. Now if you are 5'7" QB, I'm betting you aren't going to be a good option getting a tryout for the NFL. ha! But look at what the freshman QB from John Carroll did last year....what 10-0 during the season and beat Mount Union in their stadium...that's AMAZING. I never thought that would happen. So anything is possible, I like the fact that BW has just hired the former Cincinnati LaSalle's head coach. Maybe he can make them in to a title contender in a couple years. I can't wait to go his games. I've already ordered me a tshirt. ha!

[deathfromabove]

galiontiger, I see what your saying now. I hope your son does real good up there and have a great four years to remember for the rest of his life and tell all the stories to his kids some and like all us fathers we can tell some whoppers can't we guys. Tell him to hit the books hard but still leave some time for fun. time flies by real fast. I can't beleave my oldest son is graduating in May from Muskingum University. It just seems like only yesterday he was holding that State Championship trophy up high in football for Norwalk St. Paul's. You better enjoy the ride to and always remember and cherish each and every day. Best of LUCK to you and your son.