MOAC 2017

[4]

May 30, 2017 7:11:25 GMT -5 babymaker said:

Wasn't 4 also the guy that praised a kid leaving Pleasant for Harding and was hyping him all last season...

smh. You have to get what I'm saying. If they come just for a field. Which none will. Then who would want em to play, but yes they would play if they help the team. As booker did. I rooted for him yes cause he made plays every game.

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May 30, 2017 0:25:50 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

May 29, 2017 13:35:32 GMT -5 4 said:

I agree it isn't gonna bring kids back into the district, and if it did. If I was on that team I wouldn't want a player who wasn't here grinding it out before. And the money was raised, donated, and the dealership drive a car to raise money days. School payed for little to none. The plan isn't to host D1 playoff games. But there's enough seating to host earlier round d2-d5 games. Parking sucks but they would make it happen with the surrounding streets or the parking lot in the church down the street. I can agree with you would think they would put the money to other uses. But it wasn't their money to start with. The people payed for it. And there's also not a district thriving in education in the county that's forsure.

It is not easy for a community to raise the kind of money it takes for Turf. An worthy accomplishment.

Its been in the works for a while. Was suppose to happen 3 years ago. They just didn't raise the money in a few months.

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May 30, 2017 9:27:18 GMT -5 galion said:

May 30, 2017 0:25:50 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

It is not easy for a community to raise the kind of money it takes for Turf. An worthy accomplishment.

Keep in mind this is also the community that has enough money to put on a fireworks display during their track invitational.  Funny story, this year it started raining during the meet so they decided to launch them prematurely before it got too wet.  What I'd love to find out is what half assed operation was willing to launch them less than 200 feet away from the shot put area, as the event was still going on at the time.  It was great fun having casings rain down all around us.  One misfire would have taken out at least a dozen of us.

They do it at the Marion invitational always, and football games as well.

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With the talks of Marion getting turf, the intro of the competitive balance and new schools coming in, what is the range in divisions for the 2017 MOAC schools?

[Willard Fillmore]

A strange out of the blue question. Sounds like a put down coming for the MOAC when answered. You tell us.

Even stranger after the edit of "with Harding getting turf". WTH does that have to do with MOAC enrollment???

Also stranger with the edit of "new schools coming in". The "new schools" are both DIV middle of the pack schools. 

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Jun 4, 2017 14:00:05 GMT -5 @scooter said:

With the talks of Marion getting turf, the intro of the competitive balance and new schools coming in, what is the range in divisions for the 2017 MOAC schools?

Harding is D2
Buckeye Valleye is D3
River Valley, Galion, Ontario, Clear Fork are D4
Pleasant and North Union are D5

Likelihood of this league staying in tack is unlikely. Don't be surprised if Harding is pushed out and Shelby is their replacement

[Deleted]

Quite a spread, I wondered if it covered 3 or 4 different divisions with the CB in place.

I would agree this may not be stable. Shelby has been in many talks about leagues over the last couple years. It sounds like they are not excited about the new SBC but the MOAC is not a step up for them.

[Willard Fillmore]

NOT "quite a spread"(the predicted put down). In actuality the MOAC is a DIII/DIV league. Harding is only 10 above DIII, with a +9 Competitive Balance adder. Ontario is only 8(4 more OE players) from being a DIII and North Union is only 7 below DV. Pleasant is the only school out of a standard "spread" for this league, being a small DV(before adder) and they're the least likely to go anywhere of the eight.

Ontario is going to have to have to try to hold down their Open Enrollment students playing football.

Before Clear Fork left the OCC for the MOAC, which league had the larger "spread" in enrollment? Mt.Vernon 507 - Clear Fork 225, or Harding 390 - Pleasant 169? The disliked departure of Clear Fork improved the "spread" in the OCC from to 284 to 206. 

[Willard Fillmore]

Jun 5, 2017 8:09:24 GMT -5 @bighoss said:

Jun 4, 2017 14:00:05 GMT -5 @scooter said:

With the talks of Marion getting turf, the intro of the competitive balance and new schools coming in, what is the range in divisions for the 2017 MOAC schools?

Harding is D2
Buckeye Valleye is D3
River Valley, Galion, Ontario, Clear Fork are D4
Pleasant and North Union are D5

Likelihood of this league staying in tack is unlikely. Don't be surprised if Harding is pushed out and Shelby is their replacement

Don't know the MOAC Bylaws, but not an easy task to "push out" a school. Usually all other schools have to vote in favor of a "push out". ALSO, if done once it kinda gives the league a black eye and makes other schools wary of a league with that history.

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Jun 5, 2017 13:28:15 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Jun 5, 2017 8:09:24 GMT -5 @bighoss said:

Harding is D2
Buckeye Valleye is D3
River Valley, Galion, Ontario, Clear Fork are D4
Pleasant and North Union are D5

Likelihood of this league staying in tack is unlikely. Don't be surprised if Harding is pushed out and Shelby is their replacement

Don't know the MOAC Bylaws, but not an easy task to "push out" a school. Usually all other schools have to vote in favor of a "push out". ALSO, if done once it kinda gives the league a black eye and makes other schools wary of a league with that history.

There's more than one connotation to the phrase "push out"

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Jun 5, 2017 14:41:54 GMT -5 @bighoss said:

Jun 5, 2017 13:28:15 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Don't know the MOAC Bylaws, but not an easy task to "push out" a school. Usually all other schools have to vote in favor of a "push out". ALSO, if done once it kinda gives the league a black eye and makes other schools wary of a league with that history.

There's more than one connotation to the phrase "push out"

Very true, and Harding has been thru it before. With the nice spread of the teams in 4 divisions that can add to the interest having the chance for multiple teams making the playoffs which I think is nice. Had they all 8 schools been in only two divisions they could be competing for less playoff spots.

[GHS 1999]

There was discussion last football season that both North Union and Pleasant weren't happy with Harding in the conference. The conference does not have a consensus to vote out Harding. Shelby would be a better fit size wise but Harding is a much better fit geographically.

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Jun 5, 2017 19:34:03 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

There was discussion last football season that both North Union and Pleasant weren't happy with Harding in the conference. The conference does not have a consensus to vote out Harding. Shelby would be a better fit size wise but Harding is a much better fit geographically.

Clear Fork could probably be added to that list.

[Willard Fillmore]

Jun 5, 2017 14:41:54 GMT -5 @bighoss said:

Jun 5, 2017 13:28:15 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Don't know the MOAC Bylaws, but not an easy task to "push out" a school. Usually all other schools have to vote in favor of a "push out". ALSO, if done once it kinda gives the league a black eye and makes other schools wary of a league with that history.

There's more than one connotation to the phrase "push out"

Not in this case. Harding isn't going to be nicely "pushed out" of the league they've wanted to be a part of for decades. They will only be "pushed out" by an official vote of league members based on the MOAC Bylaws. 

[Willard Fillmore]

Jun 5, 2017 21:17:18 GMT -5 @scooter said:

Jun 5, 2017 19:34:03 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

There was discussion last football season that both North Union and Pleasant weren't happy with Harding in the conference. The conference does not have a consensus to vote out Harding. Shelby would be a better fit size wise but Harding is a much better fit geographically.

Clear Fork could probably be added to that list.

Silliness! You want us to believe that Clear Fork joined a league with a school in it they "weren't happy with being in the conference"?? This discussion is about size right? Clear Fork was more UNhappy with being in a league with Mt. Vernon, Wooster, Ashland and Mansfield Senior. Up until this year all larger than Harding. Clear Fork was BY FAR the smallest school in the OCC, in the MOAC they are in the middle, size wise. 

[Willard Fillmore]

Jun 5, 2017 19:34:03 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

There was discussion last football season that both North Union and Pleasant weren't happy with Harding in the conference. The conference does not have a consensus to vote out Harding. Shelby would be a better fit size wise but Harding is a much better fit geographically.

Didn't North Union and Pleasant just a few years ago vote in favor of Harding joining the MOAC? 

[babymaker]

It was vote for Harding or play a mess of a schedule from what I remember it was provisional with a revote in x years. I believe that revote happened and Harding stayed. Long term health with depend on how school growth rates change the school dynamics, and if the smaller schools are competitive (see fairbanks)

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Many don't like Harding being in the moac. ButHarding is about the same competition as some schools this size. They might bring a football team with 25 more players then another. But most will never see the field unless it's jv. It's all about perspective. I've grown to like the moac because of the locations. No real far drive.

[GHS 1999]

I agree, 4. Harding may be a small D2, but play more like a D4 team. They are very competitive but have not dominated.

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Jun 7, 2017 19:43:29 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

I agree, 4. Harding may be a small D2, but play more like a D4 team. They are very competitive but have not dominated.

That's what has probably been saving them this long. IN basketball it may be changing faster than in other sports.

[Eagles nest]

I just find it funny that the Pleasants and North Unions of the league are ready to bail to another conference only because they cant dominate like in years past.

[usa70pp]

You and Aesop must be related. Dominate is a good word for Harding to deal with. They have made the playoffs 5 times, 1998 and 2000-2003. In that same time frame (1998 to 2016), North Union has made the playoffs 6 times and Pleasant 13 times. Pleasant, in that same period, won a state championship, were runner-ups once and made the final four another time. Even Marion Catholic made the playoffs in 2004.

[wallpass]

BTW, I don't think that a lot of people at Pleasant and North Union have a problem with Harding's size. They also like the proximity of the school. The problem some people have with Harding is their lack of discipline for athletes caught doing things that would get them suspended or cut from other teams. If they want to be accepted long term, they need to play by the same rules as other schools. All players are drug tested pre-season and randomly throughout the year. If caught drinking or with drugs, it is a mandatory suspension for 50% of games that season. There is no "I'm afraid if we do that we will lose this kid to a life of crime or drugs or whatever". The rules are there and are implemented the same for flute player in the band as they are for the starting QB. No exceptions for "a bad home life". If you choose to become a part of a team and you let your teammates down by doing drugs or committing a crime, then you need to pay the piper. Several kids from RV found what that was like last year and many kids from Pleasant have felt that sting over the years.

The point is that many people don't have a problem with Harding's numbers. It is their lack of solid disciplinary policies that make it seem like Harding is not playing with the same set of rules as other schools.

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Harding doesn't Drug test so that won't happen. But there hasn't been a known problem with drugs or alcohol last season atleast. I'm sure there's players on every team including Harding that might smoke weed, but they don't drug test so that wouldn't ever come up. When was how they discipline a player a problem?

[usa70pp]

It's apparent you are too young to remember the days when people spoke of how really good the junior high teams were at Harding, but that by the time they got to high school they were too old to play.

[Eagles nest]

Hey now need to pump the brakes and put down the beverage your drinking this early in the morning wallpass. Your right they are not concerned with Harding's size they are concerned with Harding's "city Speed". Which was a quote right from one of the above head coach’s mouth. Lack of discipline, that’s also a joke, Harding’s tailback was suspended 4 games for what turned out to be "not his issue" wrong place wrong time. Wishful thinking here but his ability could have been 2 more wins for the presidents.
4 above is incorrect Marion Harding has random drug screens which might be the only school in the MOAC to do so. As for your remarks on RV, only 1 kid was disciplined for steroid use not “several” just one. RV made several excuses on why they could not drug screen before the season after the 1 kid was busted after a power lifting meet. It’s also funny the starting TB for RV looked like a twig during track..hmmmm I’m sure he will start his roid cycling soon. “Same set of rules” So put down the Kool aid your belief or perception about the city kids or Marion Harding are way off in right field. Don’t always believe what you hear and half of what you see.

[gt1975]

Jun 12, 2017 11:40:07 GMT -5 Eagles nest said:

Hey now need to pump the brakes and put down the beverage your drinking this early in the morning wallpass. Your right they are not concerned with Harding's size they are concerned with Harding's "city Speed". Which was a quote right from one of the above head coach’s mouth. Lack of discipline, that’s also a joke, Harding’s tailback was suspended 4 games for what turned out to be "not his issue" wrong place wrong time. Wishful thinking here but his ability could have been 2 more wins for the presidents.
4 above is incorrect Marion Harding has random drug screens which might be the only school in the MOAC to do so. As for your remarks on RV, only 1 kid was disciplined for steroid use not “several” just one. RV made several excuses on why they could not drug screen before the season after the 1 kid was busted after a power lifting meet. It’s also funny the starting TB for RV looked like a twig during track..hmmmm I’m sure he will start his roid cycling soon. “Same set of rules” So put down the Kool aid your belief or perception about the city kids or Marion Harding are way off in right field. Don’t always believe what you hear and half of what you see.

Galion also has random drug testing for their athletes. 

[wallacefan]

Jun 12, 2017 12:41:39 GMT -5 gt1975 said:

Jun 12, 2017 11:40:07 GMT -5 Eagles nest said:

Hey now need to pump the brakes and put down the beverage your drinking this early in the morning wallpass. Your right they are not concerned with Harding's size they are concerned with Harding's "city Speed". Which was a quote right from one of the above head coach’s mouth. Lack of discipline, that’s also a joke, Harding’s tailback was suspended 4 games for what turned out to be "not his issue" wrong place wrong time. Wishful thinking here but his ability could have been 2 more wins for the presidents.
4 above is incorrect Marion Harding has random drug screens which might be the only school in the MOAC to do so. As for your remarks on RV, only 1 kid was disciplined for steroid use not “several” just one. RV made several excuses on why they could not drug screen before the season after the 1 kid was busted after a power lifting meet. It’s also funny the starting TB for RV looked like a twig during track..hmmmm I’m sure he will start his roid cycling soon. “Same set of rules” So put down the Kool aid your belief or perception about the city kids or Marion Harding are way off in right field. Don’t always believe what you hear and half of what you see.

Galion also has random drug testing for their athletes. 

 So does Pleasant, so I have no idea what Eagles Nest is talking about when he says, "Marion Harding has random drug screens which might be the only school in the MOAC to do so."

I think almost every school in the MOAC does....BV...RV...NU.  Harding is not the only one to do so.  I actually wonder which public school DOESN'T do drug testing....

[gt1975]

^^^ I assumed the other schools did drug testing too but the only one I knew for sure was Galion. I'm not sure why he thought Marion Harding would be the only school that did drug testing.

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Because of Marion's size they will always have someone( a smaller school) that wants them out. If they start winning regularly in multiple sports it will get worse.