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Post by 68champs on Apr 23, 2016 19:12:08 GMT -5
Not sure how to start another discussion...
I hope the SBC would be willing to name division with the most NOL teams the "Northern Ohio" division. By giving the league almost 1/3 of it's teams and a strong tradition in Ohio High School sports it would be a nice gesture to the school's multitude of alumni.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on May 17, 2016 10:45:54 GMT -5
Here's a thread for any discussion pertaining to the new SBC format set to begin for the 2017-18 school year. Last I knew, the division breakdown was announced to be the following: Football only:Big | Middle | Small | Bellevue | Edison | Calvert | Clyde | Huron | Lakota | Columbian | Oak Harbor | Margaretta | Norwalk | Shelby | St. Joseph | Perkins | Port Clinton | St. Mary | Sandusky | Vermilion | Willard |
All other sports:Big | Middle | Small | Bellevue | Edison | Calvert | Clyde | Huron | Lakota | Columbian | Margaretta | New Riegel | Norwalk | Oak Harbor | Old Fort | Perkins | Port Clinton | St. Joseph | Sandusky | Vermilion | St. Mary | Shelby | Willard | St. Wendelin |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 12:47:03 GMT -5
Not sure how to start another discussion... I hope the SBC would be willing to name division with the most NOL teams the "Northern Ohio" division. By giving the league almost 1/3 of it's teams and a strong tradition in Ohio High School sports it would be a nice gesture to the school's multitude of alumni. It could happen but with the SBC standing firm as a league and not calling this a merger, I could also see them creating names that does not connect to any previous leagues.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on May 20, 2016 16:04:33 GMT -5
On thing I'm curious about is the schedule rotation for division football games. Between this site and NOSF I've seen possible 2017 schedules posted for both Clyde and Norwalk, and from those it could be determined that the week 10 matchups in the big division were going to be Bellevue/Clyde, Sandusky/Perkins and Norwalk/Tiffin.
I wondering if those matchups just happen to fall in week 10 the first 2 years and will eventually rotate to another week, or if perhaps the idea is to give rivalry games a permanent week 10 status. If it's week 10 rivalries each year, then I suppose the matchups would look like this:
Big: Bellevue/Clyde, Sandusky/Perkins, Norwalk/Columbian (many just the leftovers, but at least there's a long league history there) Middle: Port Clinton/Oak Harbor, Huron/Edison, Shelby/Vermilion (the 2 leftovers) Small: SMCC/SJCC, and then some combination of Willard, Margaretta, Calvert and Lakota (probably Wil/Marg & Cal/Lak based on having some history playing each other)
However, if you could get Margaretta and Vermillion to agree to play a yearly crossover game in week 10, and then have the Willard/Margaretta & Shelby/Vermillion division games in week 5 or 4 each year while the other teams are playing crossovers or OOC, then the following could be the league wide week 10 matchups:
Bellevue/Clyde Sandusky/Perkins Norwalk/Tiffin Port Clinton/Oak Harbor Huron/Edison Willard/Shelby Vermilion/Margaretta SMCC/SJCC Calvert/Lakota
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Post by donutshopguy on May 27, 2016 8:53:49 GMT -5
The only division that has extensive travel is the small division. But, they were doing this travel anyways just to find competition.
The middle division has some travel with Oak Harbor, Vermilion and Shelby as members. It's livable.
The large division is compact in scope and many natural rivalries in place.
This merger has more positives than negatives, in the long run, for most schools.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 9:34:13 GMT -5
The only division that has extensive travel is the small division. But, they were doing this travel anyways just to find competition. The middle division has some travel with Oak Harbor, Vermilion and Shelby as members. It's livable. The large division is compact in scope and many natural rivalries in place. This merger has more positives than negatives, in the long run, for most schools. maybe they should move the starting times back to 730
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Post by vottruckers on May 27, 2016 12:45:35 GMT -5
I just hope for MS sports they don't keep the SBCs difficult 4:30 start times for basketball and I think football. Most parents have no hope of making that.
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Post by caughtinlimbo on May 27, 2016 13:42:55 GMT -5
I just hope for MS sports they don't keep the SBCs difficult 4:30 start times for basketball and I think football. Most parents have no hope of making that. SBC football was freshmen at 9am Saturday and JV after. And it was setup so both played at the same place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 20:47:09 GMT -5
If the varsity games are played on Friday nights, Then Freshman games (9 AM), JV games (11 AM) Saturday mornings at the opposing school of the varsity game. If the varsity games are played on Saturday night, The freshman games are still played Saturday morning (9 AM), JV games are played on the following Monday (5 PM). Been doing that in the SBC for many years, Seems to work well.
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Post by gncc394 on Jul 8, 2016 10:57:31 GMT -5
Someone said the new conference will be adding lacrosse as a fall sport?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 12:55:32 GMT -5
Someone said the new conference will be adding lacrosse as a fall sport? I believe lacrosse is a spring sport.
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Post by ptangzoot on Jul 8, 2016 13:15:08 GMT -5
Lacrosse is a spring sport. I think that adding it would be good, I think it compliments football.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jul 8, 2016 18:07:14 GMT -5
Lacrosse will be a great sport in the spring. It is becoming a popular sport in the Midwest now and a lot of d-3 schools here in Ohio has started it now. It has been very popular on the east coast for a long time now. I know that Muskingum University has both male and female lacrosse in the OAC and it's very exciting. My oldest son does broadcasting for them on the university's radio station and loves it, except when they have home games in late February or early March when it's cold outside and snow (now I have to say some Hail Mary's and Our Father's for swearing) on the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 6:22:52 GMT -5
What are the costs in starting up lacrosse? In spring are there enough boys to play that are not running track, playing baseball or tennis? Are there enough local teams to put a schedule together or woukd we be traveling and plying much larger schools? Those are the first questions that come to my mind.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jul 9, 2016 11:55:17 GMT -5
Scooter you brought up very good questions that the powers to be should be looking into. I will try to help with some of the answers. First with the cost, it cost is far less than it does for football. Basically the school would have to buy the helmets, shoulder pads, new goal posts, and maybe some shin guards. Most players buy their own sticks and elbow, knee pads. Lacrosse uses the football fields witch are about the same sides (sidelines are just a little bit longer but not by much) so that problem is taken care of. As far as having enough students I know the big and maybe the middle divisions would have enough kids that would love to play the game. I know that more and more schools in the Cleveland, Toledo, and Columbus areas are starting or have already started teams in lacrosse. I think it might be worth to maybe thinking about starting a new sport and who knows maybe we can get more kids out from behind those Xbox games and begin to be more active.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jul 9, 2016 12:06:15 GMT -5
Scooter I also just remember that Muskingum University started their lacrosse team first as a club sport like Norwalk did for bowling and this way you can find out if there is enough kids interested in the sport.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 7:40:48 GMT -5
I don't think it will ever take off in the SBC/NOL,just not enough boys to go around.
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Post by donutshopguy on Jul 11, 2016 8:52:31 GMT -5
Normally how many boys are need fora lacrosse team?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 13:07:48 GMT -5
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Post by donutshopguy on Jul 11, 2016 15:25:38 GMT -5
Ten is no problem at any SBC school. Track may lose a few athletes. Maybe baseball loses a couple.
More kids involved in after school activities less kids getting in trouble. In most cases.
Sounds like a no brainer.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 11, 2016 19:01:31 GMT -5
If Lacrosse for the guys, then SURELY Field Hockey for the gals. Title IV, if you add a sport for boys you better add one for girls.
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Post by caughtinlimbo on Jul 11, 2016 19:29:56 GMT -5
If Lacrosse for the guys, then SURELY Field Hockey for the gals. Title IV, if you add a sport for boys you better add one for girls. Most schools with boys Lax have add it for girls. Field Hockey will remain with one public school in NWO playing it and that's Ottawa Hills.
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Post by caughtinlimbo on Jul 11, 2016 19:34:00 GMT -5
Ten is no problem at any SBC school. Track may lose a few athletes. Maybe baseball loses a couple. More kids involved in after school activities less kids getting in trouble. In most cases. Sounds like a no brainer. Do any conferences actually sponsor lacrosse as a conference sport? Maybe the TRAC, I'm pretty sure the NLL doesn't have it. I know the TAAC and TCL don't neither do the NBC, NWOAL or GMC. I think it's a rough collection of schools in each city that sponsor the sport in a one sport only kind of league. Otherwise we probably wouldn't see alot of NWO teams traveling the state for games.
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Post by picabo on Jul 11, 2016 20:27:23 GMT -5
www.maxpreps.com/state/lacrosse/ohio.htmThis site has some info about lacrosse teams & conferences in Ohio. When I was in Wooster, we even had club teams playing at the 5th-6th grade level - much like our Junior football programs. As I recall, they did have to travel quite a bit for weekend tournaments - Columbus and Cincinnati areas. The clubs were for both boys and girls and there was quite a bit of interest. Wooster is significantly larger than most of the school systems in our area - about 4,000 students (including preschool and alternative school). I think like any of the recent sports that have taken hold in our schools - bowling, swimming, and further back soccer - you explore the interest as a club sport and it can build from there. As far as football - lacrosse helps footwork, hand-eye coordination, endurance, and there is quite a bit of contact.
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Post by bigman on Jul 12, 2016 12:09:12 GMT -5
Lacrosse in the Spring would hurt baseball and track more than people think. When you consider 10 on the field at all times so you are looking at 15-20 on the roster. Add in a JV team and now you are talking 30-40 kids. If you have never watched a lacrosse game you have to be pretty darn coordinated and athletic to play. I know when you get into Toledo and Cleveland there are schools that have it, but none that I am aware of in the immediate area.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jul 12, 2016 16:45:02 GMT -5
Caughtinlimbo, if I remember correctly we do not have a so called NOL soccer conference and maybe even in bowling either. They play under a different name because I know that Bellevue doesn't sponsor a soccer team but according to picabo and his maxpreps.com listing Bellevue has a lacrosse team. And bigman most schools have only so many kids that go out for either baseball or track and some of them don't get to get to play anyway. They also still have kids roaming the halls in the spring and that includes players on the football teams because they feel that they are not good enough do play or they just don't the sport but might like to play lacrosse. I do believe that there are enough kids out there to sponsor a sport like lacrosse and the schools and kids would be happy with it. Lacrosse is becoming a very popular sport and succeed in this area and you can even charge to get in and see it. This is my opinion of course.
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Post by caughtinlimbo on Jul 12, 2016 22:47:22 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to put down the idea I'm just trying to see if any actual conference like the NOL or SBC sponsor Lax. According to that maxpreps link all the Toledo area schools are in a leaguest with the Cleveland schools that being said I don't really trust Maxpreps.com for that kind of information.
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Post by picabo on Jul 12, 2016 23:14:13 GMT -5
that being said I don't really trust Maxpreps.com for that kind of information. I agree that Maxpreps isn't the most reliable source - I could not find any info regarding lacrosse on either the Bellevue or Seneca East school websites - and Maxpreps listed both as having teams. However, I posted the site as someone asked where teams were located and that did show that in our area you would be traveling to Toledo or Cleveland. Maybe someone familiar with the Bellevue and Seneca East systems could post if they have club teams or not. A lot of times, clubs get bumped in with the school name - even if there isn't school affiliation. I know that happens with indoor track - not necessarily school sponsored - but in many tournaments the athletes have to register under a school name; and often wear uniforms with the school colors. Again, for smaller systems - indoor track is left up to individual athletes and their families to pursue, while in the bigger districts (Toledo & Cleveland area schools) the team is school sponsored, either as a club sport or varsity sport.
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Post by picabo on Jul 12, 2016 23:16:07 GMT -5
This is taken from the Anthony Wayne school athletics website. Being a bigger system - they include hockey, lacrosse, and gymnastics among their varsity sports.
The Anthony Wayne Local School district and high school athletic department often receive questions regarding the difference between Anthony Wayne High School varsity sports and club sports that use the name of “Anthony Wayne.” Since the name “Anthony Wayne” is not patented, the school district allows clubs to use the name “Anthony Wayne” as do several other community athletic groups.
There are definitely differences between AWHS varsity sports and “club” sports; however, the two most distinct differences are funding and NLL (Northern Lakes League) and OHSAA (Ohio High School Athletic Association) recognition and adoption. Club sports do not receive any funding from the Anthony Wayne Local Schools Board of Education and/or the AWHS athletic department. Approved/adopted Anthony Wayne varsity sports receive full or partial funding from the Board of Education and/or athletic department. The Board of Education typically pays for the coaching salaries and transportation costs for each approved sport. All other expenses such as: uniforms, equipment, event workers, entry fees, and official’s costs, are paid for through athletic department revenue. Athletic department revenue is generated from event gate receipts, season pass sales, concessions sales, fundraising, booster club donations, and individual donations. In recent years, athletic department revenue has also been used to supplement transportation costs.
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Post by caughtinlimbo on Jul 13, 2016 20:24:49 GMT -5
One quick reminder to the whole lacrosse conversation. Lacrosse isn't a recognized OHSAA sport until 2017, so all lax teams in the state of Ohio are technically "club" teams until then.
There are still lacrosse teams in Ohio that are 2 or more schools combined. Like what it was in Sylvania until about 4 or 5 years ago. Back then the Sylvania Maple Leafs club team was winning state titles.
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