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Post by birchbarlow on Oct 9, 2016 14:25:49 GMT -5
| Bellevue
| Clyde
| Norwalk
| Perkins
| Sandusky
| Tiffin
| Week 1 (non league)
| McKinley
| Whitmer
| Monroeville
| Massillon
| Ross
| BG
| Week 2 (non league)
| Ignatius
| Moeller
| New London
| McKinley
| Whitmer
| Ross
| Week 3 (non league)
| Moeller
| St Xavier
| Mapleton
| St Ed
| Ignatius
| Findlay
| Week 4 (crossover vs Bay)
| PC
| Oak Harbor
| Huron
| Edison
| Vermilion
| Shelby
| Week 5 (crossover vs River)
| Calvert
| Margaretta
| Willard
| Lakota
| SMCC
| St Joe
| Week 6
| Clyde
| Bellevue
| Perkins
| Norwalk
| Tiffin
| Sandusky
| Week 7
| Norwalk
| Tiffin
| Bellevue
| Sandusky
| Perkins
| Clyde
| Week 8
| Perkins
| Sandusky
| Tiffin
| Bellevue
| Clyde
| Norwalk
| Week 9
| Sandusky
| Norwalk
| Clyde
| Tiffin
| Bellevue
| Perkins
| Week 10
| Tiffin
| Perkins
| Sandusky
| Clyde
| Norwalk
| Bellevue
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The above is a hypothetical schedule made as an example of a simple way to make scheduling easy for the new SBC. The Bay would play one crossover vs a Lake and River team. The River would play one crossover game vs a Lake and Bay team. After 3 years - the worst Lake team drops down to the Bay and takes the league schedule of the top Bay team - the top Bay team bumps up to the Lake and takes the league schedule of the worst Lake team - the worst Bay team drops down to the River and takes the league schedule of the top River team - the top River team bumps up to the Bay and takes the league schedule of the worst Bay team Crossover games are determined by 3 year averages of teams. The top Lake team plays the top Bay team and top River team. The worst Lake team plays the worst Bay team and worst River team. After the first 3 years to get the baseline average, teams could move up and down on a yearly basis, or continue to wait every 3 years. How should teams be ranked? Harbin average? Cal Preps average? Another formula? I think this idea would be exciting for all members, past players can take pride that their 3 years of HS football paid off and now Huron has bumped up to the Lake division. Edison isn't cutting it in the Bay division and drops down to the River, well now they should be able to get a few more wins and maybe get better and fight their way back up into the Bay. Here is the problem and where people from the bigger/ more successful schools show they don't really understand the whole situation. Schools from the River and Bay do not want to be forced to play schools from upper divisions. That is why this conference was designed with no forced crossovers. Sure, Huron might not care, PC might not care either. But most of the other Bay and River schools will only schedule a Lake team if they have no other option. Here is a novel idea. Instead of forcing a DVI Margaretta or Williard to play a DIII Clyde, Sandusky or Norwalk. Why don't we force Clyde, Sandusky or Norwalk to pick up a DI school? When is the last time these schools played a Playoff contending DI school? Im not saying that these schools won't schedule or that they are scared to. Im just saying they haven't. People on this board always rip on the small schools for running from the better competition, but when are the big boys gonna start scheduling some teams 1 and 2 divisions higher? No, we'd rather rip Willard and Margaretta for running from teams 3 divisions bigger then them. Its hard to see the real problems from your high horse.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 9, 2016 17:05:28 GMT -5
If your the same size why not play each other. It's not our programs fault your football program is not as good as others. I'll use Vermilion as a example same size as Bellevue but won't play them in Football but they will play them in basketball. It's not a good league when you have five non-league games to schedule. I'm not saying we want to play a small school nor would we want too!!! It does nothing for your program to beat up on smaller schools.
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Post by birchbarlow on Oct 9, 2016 18:03:51 GMT -5
If your the same size why not play each other. It's not our programs fault your football program is not as good as others. I'll use Vermilion as a example same size as Bellevue but won't play them in Football but they will play them in basketball. It's not a good league when you have five non-league games to schedule. I'm not saying we want to play a small school nor would we want too!!! It does nothing for your program to beat up on smaller schools. I understand what you are saying there. On the other hand, why schedule a game with a program that is in a different place then you? Why schedule a beatdown? Just so Bellevue doesn't have to find an opponent week 4? Not in the best interest of the program.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 9, 2016 19:17:34 GMT -5
I know what your saying a beatdown doesn't help the program get better but good coach's do help. I'm just not a fan of the new league but like anything new everyone will adjust and move on. We'll just have to travel a lot feather then normal. Canton week one next year is the start of it. I don't mind the travel but it does affect some schools. It all adds up during the year. My understanding we still have week 2 and 3 open for next season.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 10, 2016 13:45:54 GMT -5
If your the same size why not play each other. It's not our programs fault your football program is not as good as others. I'll use Vermilion as a example same size as Bellevue but won't play them in Football but they will play them in basketball. It's not a good league when you have five non-league games to schedule. I'm not saying we want to play a small school nor would we want too!!! It does nothing for your program to beat up on smaller schools. All schools knew what they were getting into when they went with the NEW SBC. This will be a fact of life until more schools are added to get at least 21 football schools OR until some get disinterested and leave and it can get down to 2 Divisions of 8 or 9 schools for football.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 10, 2016 14:01:13 GMT -5
If your the same size why not play each other. It's not our programs fault your football program is not as good as others. I'll use Vermilion as a example same size as Bellevue but won't play them in Football but they will play them in basketball. It's not a good league when you have five non-league games to schedule. I'm not saying we want to play a small school nor would we want too!!! It does nothing for your program to beat up on smaller schools. I understand what you are saying there. On the other hand, why schedule a game with a program that is in a different place then you? Why schedule a beatdown? Just so Bellevue doesn't have to find an opponent week 4? Not in the best interest of the program. Why would a Lake Division school want to "beat down" a Bay Division school? If one is honest about what a Bay Division school might be looking to schedule. It would be a school of the same size with a winning record for a competitive game that could garner Harbin Points. Scheduling a larger school and losing does not help making the playoffs. It's silly to say scheduling up will prepare a team for the playoffs, if they don't make the playoffs.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 10, 2016 15:45:33 GMT -5
SAME SIZE SCHOOL if you can read Huron, P.C., Oak Harbor and Vermilion all Division V just like BELLEVUE. SAME SIZE SCHOOL!!!!!!!!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 11, 2016 20:28:12 GMT -5
Bellevue is 20% larger than Huron and PC, 30% larger than OH, Vermilion should be in the Lake Division and Shelby should be in the Bay Division. Going by your logic Bellevue should only be scheduling schools that have no fewer than 300 boys.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 12, 2016 6:15:39 GMT -5
They are all Division IV teams that is all that matters for size! Your % theory is a joke and excuse for the other schools. Shelby is in the correct division do to being the same size as PC, OH, Huron and Vermillion!
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 12, 2016 8:24:41 GMT -5
They are all Division V teams D4, not D5. But yeah, all these teams you've mentioned are the same division as Bellevue, and all of them except Shelby are in the same region.
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Post by the419 on Oct 12, 2016 8:30:46 GMT -5
Bellevue
Canton C.C. open open @shelby Start Norwalk @ Perkins @ Tiffin Sandusky @ Clyde Clyde@ Start Ashland @anthony Wayne @bowsher Port Clinton Perkins @tiffin @ Sandusky Norwalk Bellevue Norwalk
Willard @ Edison Port Clinton Margaretta @ Shelby @ Bellevue Sandusky @ Perkins @ Clyde Tiffin Perkins
Huron open Genoa Vermilion @oak Harbor @ Clyde Bellevue Norwalk @ Tiffin @ Sandusky Sandusky
Port Clinton Huron Ross Rogers Bowsher Tiffin @ Sandusky Clyde @ Bellevue Perkins Tiffin
@ Elida Anthony Wayne @ashland Start Vermilion @ Sandusky Clyde Bellevue Perkins @ Norwalk
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Post by the419 on Oct 12, 2016 8:39:02 GMT -5
Why is Norwalk still scheduling those smaller schools Margaretta & Willard? I know Willard is an old time rivalry game but you don't have to play them anymore and I don't understand the thinking of the Margaretta game? Can someone clear this up for me? I would think a Fremont v. Norwalk game would be better, or one of the Toledo schools. Any thoughts on this?
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Post by dolittle on Oct 12, 2016 9:38:59 GMT -5
Why is Norwalk still scheduling those smaller schools Margaretta & Willard? I know Willard is an old time rivalry game but you don't have to play them anymore and I don't understand the thinking of the Margaretta game? Can someone clear this up for me? I would think a Fremont v. Norwalk game would be better, or one of the Toledo schools. Any thoughts on this? Edison too. But Willard and Margaretta will be two
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Post by footballfan on Oct 12, 2016 13:07:24 GMT -5
They are all Division V teams D4, not D5. But yeah, all these teams you've mentioned are the same division as Bellevue, and all of them except Shelby are in the same region. Yes sorry I up dated it! Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 16:00:15 GMT -5
All I've come up with from reading this topic is that you should only play schools that are your size or bigger and/or schools in your conference
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 16:54:27 GMT -5
None of the above mentioned or previously posted football schedules are etched in stone yet. They will change again, Huron's has changed. Now we have: Perkins, Sandusky, Shelby, then Streetsboro, then the "Bay Division schools" plus Willard in there somewhere, It'll change again before next year.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 12, 2016 19:39:45 GMT -5
They are all Division IV teams that is all that matters for size! Your % theory is a joke and excuse for the other schools. Shelby is in the correct division do to being the same size as PC, OH, Huron and Vermillion! Just posted facts. Vermilion is larger than Shelby. The only 2 schools in the NEW SBC that are not placed in a Division based on size. All schools in the River Division are smaller than all schools in the Bay Division. All schools in the Bay Division are smaller than all schools in the Lake Division, EXCEPT Vermilion is larger than Shelby and are in the Bay Division. Just another fact.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 12, 2016 20:13:44 GMT -5
DIVISION IV all the same state size numbers is fact. That's what counts not your number of kids and % BS. Be glad for Willard being in the river division. Should help the program. It's just sad Bellevue gets penalized for have a great football program and teams that are equal (state number rule) don't want to play them so I guess we travel. No big deal to me but I'm sure the schools don't care for it. Great league we are getting into!
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Post by sbc on Oct 13, 2016 7:44:21 GMT -5
Why is Norwalk still scheduling those smaller schools Margaretta & Willard? I know Willard is an old time rivalry game but you don't have to play them anymore and I don't understand the thinking of the Margaretta game? Can someone clear this up for me? I would think a Fremont v. Norwalk game would be better, or one of the Toledo schools. Any thoughts on this? Because that is what Norwalk has always done. Schedule the cupcakes!
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Post by sport24278 on Oct 13, 2016 8:00:05 GMT -5
Correction, it's the MacFarland way. First thing he did when he got the job was demand that the schedule get softened up. No reason to have Willard or Margaretta on the schedule!
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Post by sbc on Oct 13, 2016 9:59:48 GMT -5
Yep, dropped Huron after a few lopsided victories by the Tigers in the late 2000's. Wish he would have kept them as there would have been some good games the past 3,4 years.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 13, 2016 21:58:59 GMT -5
DIVISION IV all the same state size numbers is fact. That's what counts not your number of kids and % BS. Be glad for Willard being in the river division. Should help the program. It's just sad Bellevue gets penalized for have a great football program and teams that are equal (state number rule) don't want to play them so I guess we travel. No big deal to me but I'm sure the schools don't care for it. Great league we are getting into! I understand what you're saying. But I'm surprised you didn't see it coming. Bellevue just happens to be the first to complain about the NEW SBC. Actually, Vermillion was the first to complain, that's why they're in the Bay Division, when logic says they should be in the Lake Division.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 14, 2016 6:12:05 GMT -5
I think it would be a great league if schools would cross division play. I think the only complaint I've heard from Bellevue is no schools want to help filll our 5 non-league play from the bay division. They should step up and those being only the schools that match up and make sense. It wouldn't make sense for a team from the river to play a lake team but do some cross division play so all schools can go to a non-area schedule the first two or three weeks like it usually is. IMO It should be interesting.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 14, 2016 9:03:10 GMT -5
I think it would be a great league if schools would cross division play. I think the only complaint I've heard from Bellevue is no schools want to help filll our 5 non-league play from the bay division. They should step up and those being only the schools that match up and make sense. It wouldn't make sense for a team from the river to play a lake team but do some cross division play so all schools can go to a non-area schedule the first two or three weeks like it usually is. IMO It should be interesting. The math just doesn't work for crossover games to be perfect. You either have teams left out and stuck playing OOC games (or) some Lake vs. River matchups (or) a little bit of both (which is what we have ended up with) Think about it. If all 6 bay teams play all 6 lake teams, then all 6 river teams are stuck playing ooc games. Or if all 6 bay teams play all 6 river teams, then all 6 lake teams are stuck playing ooc games. Or if say 3 bay teams play 3 of the lake while the other 3 bay teams play 3 of the river teams, then you have 3 leftover teams in both the river and lake that either have to play each other or are stuck playing ooc games.
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Post by Admin on Oct 14, 2016 9:43:13 GMT -5
Crossovers work great.
River teams only have to play 1 game vs a Lake and Lake teams only have to play 1 game vs a River. 1 measly game.
Week 4 - Lake plays Bay in crossover - River plays within division Week 5 - Lake plays River in crossover - Bay plays within division Week 6 - Bay plays River in crossover - Lake plays within division Week 7 - All 3 divisions play within division Week 8 - All 3 divisions play within division Week 9 - All 3 divisions play within division Week 10 - All 3 divisions play within division
Next year there will be 2 Lake vs River matchups Next year there will be 8 Lake vs Bay matchups Next year there will be 6 Bay vs River matchups
For the crossover to be a success those three categories all need to be 6.
Fun matchups Calvert vs Columbian - oh yeah SMCC vs Sandusky - oh yeah, not this year but when Sandusky is down (which is normally 75% of the time anymore) Willard vs Bellevue - I think BellevueBuckeye said they have played every year since 1927 St Joe vs Clyde - They played week 1 every year for the entire 1990's Lakota vs Perkins - ehh Margaretta vs Norwalk - oh yeah - and actually will be played in 2017
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 14, 2016 10:22:45 GMT -5
Yes, as long as you're fine with Lake vs. River matchups. As we've both shown, those are necessary for a league wide crossover system to work (in this 3x6 division setup) But in the real life scenario, the league doesn't want forced Lake vs. River crossovers....so we have a bunch of teams needing to find extra OOC games.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 14, 2016 18:47:00 GMT -5
The absolute worse thing that could happen to the NEW SBC is if the powers that be MADE schools play cross over games they had no say in. There would then be an implosion.
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Post by birchbarlow on Oct 15, 2016 8:31:55 GMT -5
I think it would be a great league if schools would cross division play. I think the only complaint I've heard from Bellevue is no schools want to help filll our 5 non-league play from the bay division. They should step up and those being only the schools that match up and make sense. It wouldn't make sense for a team from the river to play a lake team but do some cross division play so all schools can go to a non-area schedule the first two or three weeks like it usually is. IMO It should be interesting. The Great Lakes Conference only has 7 teams, and might soon have 5 if the Parma schools combine. Maybe the Lake schools could get a scheduling agreement with them. St. Igs or Eds is an independent and Im sure would be open to talking to Bellevue. Maybe the SWC would be open to scheduling Lake schools since they have 10 teams they could make their OOC week 4 and play the Lake. All these options as unlikely as they might be are better then forcing River or Bay schools to play Lake schools. Maybe Bellevue should step up and find a DI school to play. Lets take a step back and calm down. So 5 OOC games. 2-3 of which are on the road. Are we really getting all hot and bothered because a Bellevue might have to travel two or three weeks.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 15, 2016 10:07:18 GMT -5
Yea that makes sense step up and play DI. That's a dumb statement period. It's simple these other teams that are Division IV won't play Bellevue. We are the smallest school in the Lake so we are already scheduled all school one division bigger then us and that's OK. Schools like there MARSHMALLOW schedules so it is what it is. I said it before the travel will add up for the school system. I could care less about that part.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 16, 2016 13:45:18 GMT -5
And most all knew this would be the case in the NEW SBC. Why do you think Huron, Edison, OH and PC were HUGE proponents of the NEW league? And once Willard was promised they would be in the River Division they were on board and when Vermilion was promised they would be in the Bay Division they were happy. The Bellevue powers to be failed to arrange for any quid pro quo.
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