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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 29, 2016 22:10:04 GMT -5
I heard Shelby and Huron for cross over play for Bellevue. One spot still open to fill. From what I'm reading maybe Huron is not playing us!? I think any division IV school in the Bay division should step up and fill the spots needed for the lake division. I thought this league was suppose to help all schools in travel. SBC (if that's the league name) should take control and tell these other schools they need to play cross over games with in the league. Makes no sense if you are the same size school why wouldn't you keep games local and close? Vermilion and Port Clinton need to step up IMO!!!! Why shouldn't River Division schools step up and play Bay Division schools? Nothing about the NEW SBC helps Shelby with travel. If the SBC powers to be "take control and tell schools" what they must do as far as scheduling, it would be the death knell of the NEW SBC.
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Post by runshoot on Sept 30, 2016 4:49:45 GMT -5
I heard Shelby and Huron for cross over play for Bellevue. One spot still open to fill. From what I'm reading maybe Huron is not playing us!? I think any division IV school in the Bay division should step up and fill the spots needed for the lake division. I thought this league was suppose to help all schools in travel. SBC (if that's the league name) should take control and tell these other schools they need to play cross over games with in the league. Makes no sense if you are the same size school why wouldn't you keep games local and close? Vermilion and Port Clinton need to step up IMO!!!! talking to AD Camella at Huron recently , I am told Huron wants out of the contract with Streetsboro to play Bellevue, but Streetsboro said NO! So they're trying to make that happen. Hopefully we get this done in 2018.
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Post by footballfan on Sept 30, 2016 5:22:36 GMT -5
Willard that was my point about this league! It doesn't help the travel for all schools. Shelby is probably the school that will travel the most. I'm from Bellevue so I am looking at our schedule more. We wouldn't want to play a river school no more then they would want to play a Lake school that doesn't help either team! No points either way for losing to a big school or winning to a small school.
runshoot thanks for the update. I thought Huron was willing to play us! Trying to find five none league games isn't going to be easy I wouldn't think. The travel I don't mind but I'm sure the school systems would like to see games as close as possible.
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Post by dolittle on Sept 30, 2016 9:00:37 GMT -5
Simply put, some schools refuse to play some of the "better" schools.
Plus some of the "better" schools sometimes "run it up" on others at times
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 12:26:31 GMT -5
Winning brings boys back into the program. For teams with a consistent loosing record year after year here's the formula. Dummy down your independent schedule to guarantee wins early. Those wins create confidence and help pick up a few more wins during your conference schedule. As kids come back into the program you can upgrade the independent schedule that creates more computer points and a shot at the playoffs. A couple playoff appearances and kids will flock to the program. Two examples, Norwalk and Port Clinton. Also doesn't hurt to have a couple kids named Turner and Lowe make their way through your program. Or what I think like to call Norwalk MacFarland plan
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Post by deathfromabove on Sept 30, 2016 19:44:13 GMT -5
Clydesbcfan, Can you find Port Clinton's 2017 schedule. That's the only one you seem to forgot. And a big THANK YOU for doing the paper work for us on this one. If anyone can help on filling in the open dates I would really appreciate it. Again that's CSF. I wish we had the two beer glasses or bottles clicking together on here again.
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Post by clydesbcfan on Oct 2, 2016 12:58:44 GMT -5
Clydesbcfan, Can you find Port Clinton's 2017 schedule. That's the only one you seem to forgot. And a big THANK YOU for doing the paper work for us on this one. If anyone can help on filling in the open dates I would really appreciate it. Again that's CSF. I wish we had the two beer glasses or bottles clicking together on here again. Port Clinton Sandusky open? @ Norwalk SJCC @ Clyde Edison @ Vermilion @ Shelby @ Huron Oak Harbor not 100% certain on this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 13:53:24 GMT -5
Streetsboro and Huron is a 2 year contract, Done after next year. I was told Bellevue dropped Huron for '17, Knowing Huron's decline in football wouldn't give them any playoff points, Just another rumor going thru the Donut Shop.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 2, 2016 13:59:27 GMT -5
Clydesbcfan, Can you find Port Clinton's 2017 schedule. That's the only one you seem to forgot. And a big THANK YOU for doing the paper work for us on this one. If anyone can help on filling in the open dates I would really appreciate it. Again that's CSF. I wish we had the two beer glasses or bottles clicking together on here again. Port Clinton Sandusky open? @ Norwalk SJCC @ Clyde Edison @ Vermilion @ Shelby @ Huron Oak Harbor not 100% certain on this Rossford will remain week 2.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 2, 2016 16:10:48 GMT -5
Maybe PC should drop Rossford and play Bellevue week two sense we still have a open!?!?
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 2, 2016 19:32:15 GMT -5
Maybe PC should drop Rossford and play Bellevue week two sense we still have a open!?!? We are already playing three teams from the upper division ( Sandusky, Clyde and Norwalk). We are the only middle division school that's going to play three games up. If you want schools to "step up" I suggest you point your finger somewhere other than Port Clinton.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 21:08:27 GMT -5
Maybe PC should drop Rossford and play Bellevue week two sense we still have a open!?!? If you have a contract you should honor it. Anyways if you want bonus level points you need to play schools in other conferences. That was the reason the MAC went to an 8 game conference schedule instead of 10
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Post by deathfromabove on Oct 4, 2016 9:25:51 GMT -5
Thanks Clydesbcfan and Redskinfan04 for the up dates on PC's schedule.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 4:44:51 GMT -5
At the volleyball game last night, Some Edison faithful were talking about how they are unhappy with being in the "Bay Division", They claim they won't be competitive enough to compete in the Bay, and want to be placed in the River, And are gonna make an effort with the SBC committee to get into the River division. If they don't get satisfaction then they may explore other possibilities, Such as the Firelands Conference. By the way, It was a very competitive volleyball game, 27-25, 25-12, 26-24, Huron won a share of the SBC title, with that win, Can claim it outright with a win at home over Clyde Tues.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 5:25:24 GMT -5
That sounds like those "faithful" people you mention are not looking to be competitive, they are looking to be given wins. Instead of earning them.
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Post by dolittle on Oct 7, 2016 7:56:58 GMT -5
At the volleyball game last night, Some Edison faithful were talking about how they are unhappy with being in the "Bay Division", They claim they won't be competitive enough to compete in the Bay, and want to be placed in the River, And are gonna make an effort with the SBC committee to get into the River division. If they don't get satisfaction then they may explore other possibilities, Such as the Firelands Conference. By the way, It was a very competitive volleyball game, 27-25, 25-12, 26-24, Huron won a share of the SBC title, with that win, Can claim it outright with a win at home over Clyde Tues. You can't be serious. They would of had THREE competitive games this year with next years schedule - Shelby, PC, and MAYBE Norwalk. If that's the case, let them leave. Why would the Firelands go to an odd number schools. They won't. And then they never BEAT St. Paul. I think people forget that this new alignment is best for ALL Schools. This isn't about any individual school at all. River Division? SMCC, SJCC, LAKOTA? They CANNOT be serious. IF they are, well let everyone get a trophy then
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 13:06:38 GMT -5
Just because a few people that think they know everything doesn't equal the whole school district
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 7, 2016 13:49:46 GMT -5
The Firelands will NEVER add a school unless a school leaves Maybe the SBC should try to figure out who the best teams, average teams and weakest teams are in EVERY sport, EVERY year and reshuffle EVERY year?
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Post by kingmartinez on Oct 7, 2016 14:08:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately Huron is trying to drop Bellevue (again). This time the excuse is Streetsboro won't let them out of their contract. Huron also admits to not pushing the envelope with Streetsboro because they do not want to play Bellevue. If that's ends up happening, that is a shame for both schools, especially after Huron committed to continuing to play Bellevue in the new SBC last spring. Appears like an embarrassing cluster of communication in Tiger Town. Any other insight?
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Post by footballfan on Oct 7, 2016 15:02:01 GMT -5
Maybe PC should drop Rossford and play Bellevue week two sense we still have a open!?!? We are already playing three teams from the upper division ( Sandusky, Clyde and Norwalk). We are the only middle division school that's going to play three games up. If you want schools to "step up" I suggest you point your finger somewhere other than Port Clinton. PC is the same size as Bellevue!!!! They should want to play equal division vs. smaller schools which is the middle division they are in. SBC needs to make teams play cross over games so this whole joke of a league is better. To find five non-league games is not going to be easy. JMO
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Post by tchldad on Oct 7, 2016 15:09:10 GMT -5
I heard the lower division is going to 8 man football. Jk. But I did read st Wendy and Calvert are doing it tonight.
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Post by Admin on Oct 8, 2016 9:06:43 GMT -5
| Bellevue
| Clyde
| Norwalk
| Perkins
| Sandusky
| Tiffin
| Week 1 (non league)
| McKinley
| Whitmer
| Monroeville
| Massillon
| Ross
| BG
| Week 2 (non league)
| Ignatius
| Moeller
| New London
| McKinley
| Whitmer
| Ross
| Week 3 (non league)
| Moeller
| St Xavier
| Mapleton
| St Ed
| Ignatius
| Findlay
| Week 4 (crossover vs Bay)
| PC
| Oak Harbor
| Huron
| Edison
| Vermilion
| Shelby
| Week 5 (crossover vs River)
| Calvert
| Margaretta
| Willard
| Lakota
| SMCC
| St Joe
| Week 6
| Clyde
| Bellevue
| Perkins
| Norwalk
| Tiffin
| Sandusky
| Week 7
| Norwalk
| Tiffin
| Bellevue
| Sandusky
| Perkins
| Clyde
| Week 8
| Perkins
| Sandusky
| Tiffin
| Bellevue
| Clyde
| Norwalk
| Week 9
| Sandusky
| Norwalk
| Clyde
| Tiffin
| Bellevue
| Perkins
| Week 10
| Tiffin
| Perkins
| Sandusky
| Clyde
| Norwalk
| Bellevue
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The above is a hypothetical schedule made as an example of a simple way to make scheduling easy for the new SBC. The Bay would play one crossover vs a Lake and River team. The River would play one crossover game vs a Lake and Bay team. After 3 years - the worst Lake team drops down to the Bay and takes the league schedule of the top Bay team - the top Bay team bumps up to the Lake and takes the league schedule of the worst Lake team - the worst Bay team drops down to the River and takes the league schedule of the top River team - the top River team bumps up to the Bay and takes the league schedule of the worst Bay team Crossover games are determined by 3 year averages of teams. The top Lake team plays the top Bay team and top River team. The worst Lake team plays the worst Bay team and worst River team. After the first 3 years to get the baseline average, teams could move up and down on a yearly basis, or continue to wait every 3 years. How should teams be ranked? Harbin average? Cal Preps average? Another formula? I think this idea would be exciting for all members, past players can take pride that their 3 years of HS football paid off and now Huron has bumped up to the Lake division. Edison isn't cutting it in the Bay division and drops down to the River, well now they should be able to get a few more wins and maybe get better and fight their way back up into the Bay.
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Post by kritz on Oct 8, 2016 12:51:00 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 8, 2016 13:58:50 GMT -5
The last paragraph. What if "Harbin average", "Cal Prep average" and "Another formula" all have Edison as a stronger team than any school in the River Division. Do you penalize a weaker team than Edison, by MAKING them play in the higher Division and MAKING them lose every Division game?
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Post by dolittle on Oct 8, 2016 20:05:08 GMT -5
This is what amazes me. Schools like Edison and Oak Harbor refuse to play any of the bigger schools, weeks 1-3. Edison has proven they can hang with Clyde and Perkins. Yet they schedule "down programs" like the Fostoria's and Western Reserves of the world and when they actually do HAVE to play someone good, their kids haven't played a four quarter game all year. If you are a legit D5 program, it is ok to play tough programs. It is called being battle tested.
The ironic thing, as bad as Oak Harbor is this year (ad don't let them fool you), with the upset they had over Eastwood, have a legit chance to travel two hours in week one of the playoffs and play a running clock game. Oak harbor is an enigma - as well as they played against Eastwood, they lose to Huron? That's coaching folks, plain and simple.
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Post by smitty1974 on Oct 8, 2016 21:56:24 GMT -5
adamwtzl,next year we have d-4 firelands and d-3 norwalk both at home so thats upping the schedule a little bit.for this year though,after edison drilled firelands 50-17,firelands has not lost since then and the falcons have a huge game at home against medina buckeye next weekend. we'll see how good firelands is.firelands is ninth in their region.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 8, 2016 22:28:00 GMT -5
This is what amazes me. Schools like Edison and Oak Harbor refuse to play any of the bigger schools, weeks 1-3. Edison has proven they can hang with Clyde and Perkins. Yet they schedule "down programs" like the Fostoria's and Western Reserves of the world and when they actually do HAVE to play someone good, their kids haven't played a four quarter game all year. If you are a legit D5 program, it is ok to play tough programs. It is called being battle tested. The ironic thing, as bad as Oak Harbor is this year (ad don't let them fool you), with the upset they had over Eastwood, have a legit chance to travel two hours in week one of the playoffs and play a running clock game. Oak harbor is an enigma - as well as they played against Eastwood, they lose to Huron? That's coaching folks, plain and simple. Why shouldn't it be the other way around? Those bigger schools that are PO'd that smaller schools won't play them, why don't they look for games against bigger schools than what they are?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 7:16:07 GMT -5
This is what amazes me. Schools like Edison and Oak Harbor refuse to play any of the bigger schools, weeks 1-3. Edison has proven they can hang with Clyde and Perkins. Yet they schedule "down programs" like the Fostoria's and Western Reserves of the world and when they actually do HAVE to play someone good, their kids haven't played a four quarter game all year. If you are a legit D5 program, it is ok to play tough programs. It is called being battle tested. The ironic thing, as bad as Oak Harbor is this year (ad don't let them fool you), with the upset they had over Eastwood, have a legit chance to travel two hours in week one of the playoffs and play a running clock game. Oak harbor is an enigma - as well as they played against Eastwood, they lose to Huron? That's coaching folks, plain and simple. Edison was in the state final four last year. They don't need to explain their scheduling to anyone.
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Post by footballfan on Oct 9, 2016 7:34:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure on the other schools but Bellevue has six games on there schedule with bigger school those being division III, three that are the same IV and this will be the last year we play the smaller school of Willard which is VI. It only makes sense that a school that is equal to each other would want to play cross over games and not schedule a team that's not in the league that is smaller then them just to have a good record. I get the theory on schedule a marshmallow schedule to get some wins and get kids back interested in the game but scheduling lower teams can hurt you when it's time to play teams equal when your not use to playing bigger schools. IMO
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Post by dolittle on Oct 9, 2016 13:31:23 GMT -5
This is what amazes me. Schools like Edison and Oak Harbor refuse to play any of the bigger schools, weeks 1-3. Edison has proven they can hang with Clyde and Perkins. Yet they schedule "down programs" like the Fostoria's and Western Reserves of the world and when they actually do HAVE to play someone good, their kids haven't played a four quarter game all year. If you are a legit D5 program, it is ok to play tough programs. It is called being battle tested. The ironic thing, as bad as Oak Harbor is this year (ad don't let them fool you), with the upset they had over Eastwood, have a legit chance to travel two hours in week one of the playoffs and play a running clock game. Oak harbor is an enigma - as well as they played against Eastwood, they lose to Huron? That's coaching folks, plain and simple. Edison was in the state final four last year. They don't need to explain their scheduling to anyone. Hey conrgats to them! Unlike most regions, they don't have to go thru the MAC to get to the Final Four or a Catholic power. Edison should of never dropped Norwalk to begin with. Playing SMCC and Willard - those are tough ones! Either way, good luck to the Chargers to rest of the way!
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