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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 18:24:30 GMT -5
That's just not true..and to the other comment...everyone knew in Crestline that Cooke boys wanted to play football in college. A dad who doesn't know all the requirements. Crestline is a very small school..Division 7. We had requests to move to Wynford play football by friends of friends over there. A parent who never dealt with this before has no clue what math courses are eligible for the NCAA. Cause guess what? Each school is different. The NCAA told me that they were shocked that Crestline hadn't submitted the paperwork for the "Intermediate to Algebra II", because they guy thought that would be acceptable class. Too late, a parent hopes that a counsel...AD..principal or anyone who has any clue with a school would guide your son or daughter starting at the 9th grade level. It didn't happen, and you can blame me all you want, but I didn't know there was certain classes you had to take. Just for example Galion has about 6-7 math classes that are eligible thru the NCAA...Crestline has like 4. Also saying that about a kid at Crestline can't get a good GPA anywhere else is not true. Chase instantly started getting better grades at Galion. He was on the Merit Roll the whole Senior year. How do you know that now? The point trying to be made is you should have known that then, IF you really had interest in your son going to college. Kids graduate from Crestline and go off to college every year. This move had nothing to do with academics. That part of it was all lack of effort. It is true that smaller schools may not offer as many classes as the larger schools do but they absolutely do not hold kids back from obtaining an education at the next level. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 18:26:30 GMT -5
And now the whole reason I got on this thread - NU school board meeting is July 17 - stay tuned. What is your gut feeling tell you about who will be in attendance for this? If any. |
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Post by galiontiger on Jul 7, 2017 14:43:09 GMT -5
You didn't have to know what courses were needed. All YOU had to do BEFORE the start of Freshman year is TELL a counselor that your student wanted to go to college. THAT would have gotten the student all the classes needed to be accepted to all State Universities in Ohio, AS WELL AS play football. The rest of your excuses are just mumbo jumbo. All YOU had to do was your duty as a parent and scheduled that conference. 100% of ALL parents MUST schedule that conference to set the proper path for the future goals of their child. It doesn't matter if they want to go to college, a technical school or just the bare minimum to graduate from high school and work at a fast food restaurant. What was meant was, Crestline should be the easiest school in this area to get good grades. Their % of students going to a 4-year college after graduation is the lowest. You say "Crestline should be the easiest school in this area to get good grades at.." I'll, in turn" say "Crestline is the easiest school to get bad grades also." ....to spell it out better for you....you fail..it's not a problem to them...on basis of exactly what you said..." Their % of students going to a 4-year college after graduation is the lowest..." There's a reason for that. I had a special education teacher tell me at that school he had too many kids in his class. He couldn't spend too much time on one kid. He was overwhelmed and was trying to do the best he could do. Sooo I would hope all teachers would do the best they could do for a student. Some times it just doesn't happen though. The level of support was a AMAZING at Galion. It was harder for Chase, but he did better at that school than Crestline...MUCH BETTER! Also to the other poster: How did I know how many math classes were approved by the NCAA for each school: Galion vice Crestline. I went on the NCAA eligibilty website and looked up each school. I printed out each one at the first start of school, Chase's Junior year. Because I read up on what was required course-level, you can put in each school, and the website tells you what courses are approved thru the NCAA. But honestly this is how Crestline dropped the ball on the one math course - "Intermediate Algebra II". Codi had NEVER taken Algebra I, which was an approved class. But he took this "Intermediate...", now I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, but how could an "Intermediate Algebra II" class not be higher than an Algebra I class. You would have to take Algebra I first before moving on to this class, right? ha! The NCAA said all Crestline had to do was submit the paperwork and the class requirement for this class thru them, and they would approve it. It's as simple as that, but they (Crestline) had never done it. So is that a school keeping up on the requirements for college athletes? It sure doesn't sound like it to me. I could be wrong. |
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Post by usa70pp on Jul 7, 2017 15:33:33 GMT -5
I think it was....
1. Bush's fault
2. Trump's fault
3. the Russians did it
4. the Chinese had a hand in it
5. It was the fault of someone else.
In short, pointing out blame for something with only one finger leaves four pointing at yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 15:35:37 GMT -5
According to the state numbers the 2 schools are very similar in testing and college prep. In fact the average ACT scores between the 2 high schools are very close.
I would say you should have known because you went in and asked, you did the research, you read the information available to you because your son wanted to go to college.
So because your son did not take Algebra I as a freshman, which is recommended for all Crestline freshman on the college prep path, it is Crestline's fault? I hope you understand, I do not blame you for not knowing any of this information as most do not without looking for it. But the info is in many places, as well as the schools academic handbook, and to blame the school because you didn't know something or because your son took the wrong class is sad. The task of preparing for college falls upon the student and the parents. It has become to easy to blame others and walk away. You should just admit you wanted your son to play football for a winning team so you moved and leave it at that. Imagine the tutoring and additional help you could have purchased for your son with the money you spent living in Galion for 2 years and driving to Wooster for work.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 7, 2017 19:04:02 GMT -5
You didn't have to know what courses were needed. All YOU had to do BEFORE the start of Freshman year is TELL a counselor that your student wanted to go to college. THAT would have gotten the student all the classes needed to be accepted to all State Universities in Ohio, AS WELL AS play football. The rest of your excuses are just mumbo jumbo. All YOU had to do was your duty as a parent and scheduled that conference. 100% of ALL parents MUST schedule that conference to set the proper path for the future goals of their child. It doesn't matter if they want to go to college, a technical school or just the bare minimum to graduate from high school and work at a fast food restaurant. What was meant was, Crestline should be the easiest school in this area to get good grades. Their % of students going to a 4-year college after graduation is the lowest. You say "Crestline should be the easiest school in this area to get good grades at.." I'll, in turn" say "Crestline is the easiest school to get bad grades also." ....to spell it out better for you....you fail..it's not a problem to them...on basis of exactly what you said..." Their % of students going to a 4-year college after graduation is the lowest..." There's a reason for that. I had a special education teacher tell me at that school he had too many kids in his class. He couldn't spend too much time on one kid. He was overwhelmed and was trying to do the best he could do. Sooo I would hope all teachers would do the best they could do for a student. Some times it just doesn't happen though. The level of support was a AMAZING at Galion. It was harder for Chase, but he did better at that school than Crestline...MUCH BETTER! Also to the other poster: How did I know how many math classes were approved by the NCAA for each school: Galion vice Crestline. I went on the NCAA eligibilty website and looked up each school. I printed out each one at the first start of school, Chase's Junior year. Because I read up on what was required course-level, you can put in each school, and the website tells you what courses are approved thru the NCAA. But honestly this is how Crestline dropped the ball on the one math course - "Intermediate Algebra II". Codi had NEVER taken Algebra I, which was an approved class. But he took this "Intermediate...", now I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, but how could an "Intermediate Algebra II" class not be higher than an Algebra I class. You would have to take Algebra I first before moving on to this class, right? ha! The NCAA said all Crestline had to do was submit the paperwork and the class requirement for this class thru them, and they would approve it. It's as simple as that, but they (Crestline) had never done it. So is that a school keeping up on the requirements for college athletes? It sure doesn't sound like it to me. I could be wrong. You make no sense. Where the competition is the easiest is where finishing at or near the top is the easiest. Whether it's business, sports or in the classroom. You wouldn't know about that, working for the federal government where average is encouraged and below average is accepted. LOSING....money is a way of life, no one loses their job, the department NEVER has to break even. A REAL business would be bankrupt. The ONLY person at fault for not getting good grades is the student, and the family to some extent. Does the student take good notes in class? Does the student read all assignments? Does the student take good notes when reading assignments? Does the student study his lecture notes and text book notes before each exam? Does the student do the necessary research, write all papers required and hand them in on time? Do the parents make sure their kids are doing all of these things? Do the parent's help their kids with their homework? Until they're no longer capable.  Did the parents work with their children before going to school? Did they know how to print? Did they know their ABCs? Did they read books to their kids most nights before they go to bed? Did the kids see their parents reading a lot of books? Some kids entering kindergarten know how to print their names, recognize easy words, know easy addition. If not all of that was done, your kids are behind the competition. You're not giving them the best chance to excel in school. BTW, a divorce doesn't help. ALL teachers have undergraduate degrees, most have or are working towards a masters degree. They DO know how to teach. It is up to the student to learn and it's easy to do if they had the proper upbringing at home. Even the worst teachers lecture, they give assignments. Tests are on the lectures and information in the text books. ALL kids in the class listen to the same lectures and have the same text books. No one at Crestline gets A's and B's??? Someone has to get A's. Why not all of the students? Because some didn't get the head start needed at home, some don't study, some don't care. NONE of those reasons are the fault of the teacher. You can go to the worst high school in the country with the worst teachers and you can still go to Harvard AND have taken the required courses to "play football". You're still clueless about what it takes academically. ALL IT TAKES, is to be in a college prep path. ALL accredited high schools in the state of Ohio MUST have the required courses in the curriculum so that when students graduate from high school they are eligible for admission to all State Universities in Ohio. Which ALSO meets ALL requirements to "play football". The ONLY REASON your kid didn't qualify academically to play football is because YOU failed at being a father. Give it up, with each post you're digging a deeper hole to crawl out of. You don't look good. |
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Post by 4 on Jul 7, 2017 20:59:58 GMT -5
Well this has gotten deep.
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Post by pirate80 on Jul 7, 2017 21:25:20 GMT -5
I have no horse in this,but you don't look so good yourself....telling a dude he has failed as a father is a cheap shot and not necessary. Neither does taking shots at his line of work either. At the end of the day, if I recall, the dude did serve our country...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 7, 2017 21:54:57 GMT -5
We have a dude that's trying to blame everyone and his brother at Crestline HS for one son not having the right math credits to qualify for playing football in college and the other son having a 1.68 GPA after his Sophomore year. It is a fact that all the dude had to do was tell Crestline HS to put his son in a college prep program before he started his Freshman year and he WOULD have had the the right math credits. The dude failed to do that. Secondly, you and I both know that blaming teachers for a student's poor GPA is garbage. The student and the parent's lack of emphasis on succeeding in the classroom is the problem.
What's the constant in this picture? It is not Crestline HS. Other Crestline students have graduated, had the right math credits and played sports in college. The majority of Crestline HS students have higher than a 1.68 GPA after their Sophomore year.
"Shots" shouldn't be taken at the federal government's failures?? Since when? You have a problem with the First Amendment?
BTW dudette, NOTHING was said about a dude's service for our country. I respect ALL of our military personnel and their service, including this dude.
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Post by A no.1 on Jul 8, 2017 10:39:58 GMT -5
ghs1999, please start another MOAC Changes thread. This one has gone off topic....again.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jul 8, 2017 11:31:54 GMT -5
Agreed A no.1. Let's try to get back to the topic at hand as many of us don't care to be involved in an argue fest involving a non MOAC school.
What I'm curious of is since North Union is considering leaving, is the Central Buckeye Conference that they're looking into? This is where Jonathan Alder went. And if so, the CBC has 10 members so are they looking at somebody else too? It had been said they might consider the Ohio Heritage Conference before which is where Fairbanks went. Any insights on any of this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 12:53:49 GMT -5
Always love how people complain about threads going off topic but if they if you take out the "off topic" posts the thread would be dead and nothing being posted. Rather than complain about active discussion, be active and keep a post moving on the topic and it will not get off topic. OR at least not far off and will always have on topic discussions.
With NU looking to leave the MOAC.(which I think has been in the talks for years) Does this create a slow crumble effect? River Valley has been in a few hallway conversations for options.(nothing serious) Galion has been looking to reconnect and make some new contracts with more local events in all sports.(nothing serious) Harding loves their position but they are part of the reason NU is looking elsewhere and some of the coaches from a new member would also like to see Harding out. Also a lot of talk about the possibility of Shelby making a move in the next year or so.
With that, nothing could happen or a whole lot could happen.
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Post by kingmartinez on Jul 8, 2017 20:16:57 GMT -5
Always love how people complain about threads going off topic but if they if you take out the "off topic" posts the thread would be dead and nothing being posted. Rather than complain about active discussion, be active and keep a post moving on the topic and it will not get off topic. OR at least not far off and will always have on topic discussions. With NU looking to leave the MOAC.(which I think has been in the talks for years) Does this create a slow crumble effect? River Valley has been in a few hallway conversations for options.(nothing serious) Galion has been looking to reconnect and make some new contracts with more local events in all sports.(nothing serious) Harding loves their position but they are part of the reason NU is looking elsewhere and some of the coaches from a new member would also like to see Harding out. Also a lot of talk about the possibility of Shelby making a move in the next year or so. With that, nothing could happen or a whole lot could happen. I do not know about the long-term of the conference but I believe Shelby replacing NU strengthens the league more than it does not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 10:17:30 GMT -5
I can't say it would strengthen the league but Shelby would be a good addition. You would still have the other activities going on.
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Post by galiontiger on Jul 9, 2017 10:18:15 GMT -5
WF...I've been trying to end this discussion for the last 2 paragraphs. I'll end it now by saying WF is an idiot. Most agree with me on this post. He just put down all government workers and all divorced father's who live away from their sons and daughters. You are a class act.
There was nothing wrong with the NOL for Shelby back in the day. I just don't get why you constantly need all these changes in conferences. Maybe I'm too much old school. It seems to be headed back to that way anyway now. Shelby/Galion/Ontario....
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 9, 2017 16:12:06 GMT -5
Come on GT, I did not put down all government workers. I spoke the truth about the problem, the government they work for. My wife is a "government" worker and she complains all the time about the inequities, work habits and waste. I could make a 2 page post on JUST what she has seen. You know darn well that the majority of divorces negatively affect the children in the family. I can't speak to yours, just the many I've been close to.
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Post by moacfootballfan on Jul 9, 2017 20:44:19 GMT -5
Come on GT, I did not put down all government workers. I spoke the truth about the problem, the government they work for. My wife is a "government" worker and she complains all the time about the inequities, work habits and waste. I could make a 2 page post on JUST what she has seen. You know darn well that the majority of divorces negatively affect the children in the family. I can't speak to yours, just the many I've been close to. Aren't teachers government (public) workers as well? Just figured I would stir the pot more.  |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 10, 2017 13:20:02 GMT -5
Come on GT, I did not put down all government workers. I spoke the truth about the problem, the government they work for. My wife is a "government" worker and she complains all the time about the inequities, work habits and waste. I could make a 2 page post on JUST what she has seen. You know darn well that the majority of divorces negatively affect the children in the family. I can't speak to yours, just the many I've been close to. Aren't teachers government (public) workers as well? Just figured I would stir the pot more. Pot, there is a significant difference in descending order from the Federal government, to State governments, to local governments. In actuality teachers don't work for a government, they work for a school district. The city of Galion can't hire of fire, give raises to, nor has any say in their labor contracts. |
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Post by snowman on Jul 10, 2017 16:20:21 GMT -5
Yes Galion did hang the new MOAC banner with Ontario and Clear Fork included. It was paid for by the 2017 graduating senior class. It was hanging there during the ceremony.
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Post by gt1975 on Jul 10, 2017 18:58:49 GMT -5
Yes Galion did hang the new MOAC banner with Ontario and Clear Fork included. It was paid for by the 2017 graduating senior class. It was hanging there during the ceremony. Hopefully the conference doesn't change now |
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Post by Eagles nest on Jul 10, 2017 20:34:22 GMT -5
Yes Galion did hang the new MOAC banner with Ontario and Clear Fork included. It was paid for by the 2017 graduating senior class. It was hanging there during the ceremony. Hopefully the conference doesn't change now Not so fast my friend...The Athletic department and Principal have voted to leave the MOAC, now up to the School board for final approval. Which I dont see that vote being any different. As for Shelby, the paperwork has already been filed and will be accepted when NU gives the final verdict. Also Pleasant was offered a spot with NU. So I see them leaving in the not so distant future. Who would replace them? Willard would be my best guess.. Would like to know what new team in the MOAC doesn't want Harding in. The meeting I attended only NU and pleasant were the disgruntled kids at the table. |
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Post by moacmama on Jul 10, 2017 21:41:38 GMT -5
Agreed A no.1. Let's try to get back to the topic at hand as many of us don't care to be involved in an argue fest involving a non MOAC school. What I'm curious of is since North Union is considering leaving, is the Central Buckeye Conference that they're looking into? This is where Jonathan Alder went. And if so, the CBC has 10 members so are they looking at somebody else too? It had been said they might consider the Ohio Heritage Conference before which is where Fairbanks went. Any insights on any of this? Yes, CBC with London to make 12. OHC rejected NU due to location. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 7:46:12 GMT -5
Hopefully the conference doesn't change now Not so fast my friend...The Athletic department and Principal have voted to leave the MOAC, now up to the School board for final approval. Which I dont see that vote being any different. As for Shelby, the paperwork has already been filed and will be accepted when NU gives the final verdict. Also Pleasant was offered a spot with NU. So I see them leaving in the not so distant future. Who would replace them? Willard would be my best guess.. Would like to know what new team in the MOAC doesn't want Harding in. The meeting I attended only NU and pleasant were the disgruntled kids at the table.  |
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Post by moacfootballfan on Jul 11, 2017 12:05:44 GMT -5
Aren't teachers government (public) workers as well? Just figured I would stir the pot more. Pot, there is a significant difference in descending order from the Federal government, to State governments, to local governments. In actuality teachers don't work for a government, they work for a school district. The city of Galion can't hire of fire, give raises to, nor has any say in their labor contracts. True, which is why the word, "Public" is in parentheses so I probably shouldn't have used the term, "Government". They work for a "Public" school district, in practice, they are a public entity. I don't know of any other "Private" entity which has the ability to receive my tax money with or without my direct consent. I will leave it at that since the initial back and forth had nothing to do with me and this really has nothing to do with the topic at hand. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 11, 2017 12:20:52 GMT -5
Hopefully the conference doesn't change now Not so fast my friend...The Athletic department and Principal have voted to leave the MOAC, now up to the School board for final approval. Which I dont see that vote being any different. As for Shelby, the paperwork has already been filed and will be accepted when NU gives the final verdict. Also Pleasant was offered a spot with NU. So I see them leaving in the not so distant future. Who would replace them? Willard would be my best guess.. Would like to know what new team in the MOAC doesn't want Harding in. The meeting I attended only NU and pleasant were the disgruntled kids at the table. What were NU and Pleasant "disgruntled" about? Were they both the exact same things or were they "disgruntled" about some different issues? So, for Pleasant to join the CBC they'd have to find a partner and the CBC would have to be willing to go to from 12 to 14 schools. Who are the potential candidates for Pleasant's partner? NU and Pleasant must be REALLY disgruntled, willing to play in a Conference that's located in the Southwestern District. Instead of the Central District which their schools are located in. Especially Pleasant who's willing to leave a league with all Marion County schools. Why did JA leave the Buckeye Athletic League in 2013 to join the MOAC, then 4 years later leave for the CBC? |
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Post by galion on Jul 11, 2017 13:39:28 GMT -5
Seriously Willard? Why don't you drive from Ontario to JA or from CF to JA and ask that question again. Hell, getting from there to Galion is no picnic. I don't blame them for leaving one bit. I doubt further expansion in that direction was on the table so to speak when they chose to join initially.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 11, 2017 14:02:45 GMT -5
Seriously Willard? Why don't you drive from Ontario to JA or from CF to JA and ask that question again. Hell, getting from there to Galion is no picnic. I don't blame them for leaving one bit. I doubt further expansion in that direction was on the table so to speak when they chose to join initially. Not seriously, have you driven NORTH to Sandusky on Lake Erie for high school sports? Why did JA leave the Buckeye Athletic League? Were the trips to those schools further than Galion and Marion County schools? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 14:18:33 GMT -5
Seriously Willard? Why don't you drive from Ontario to JA or from CF to JA and ask that question again. Hell, getting from there to Galion is no picnic. I don't blame them for leaving one bit. I doubt further expansion in that direction was on the table so to speak when they chose to join initially. Not seriously, have you driven NORTH to Sandusky on Lake Erie for high school sports? Why did JA leave the Buckeye Athletic League? Were the trips to those schools further than Galion and Marion County schools? There isn't a league/conference called the Buckeye Athletic League and JA was independent until joining the MOAC in 2013 |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 11, 2017 14:53:21 GMT -5
NU must really dislike Harding. The schools in the CBC average 251 boys in the top 3 grades and have an average travel time from NU of 56 minutes. The MOAC schools(with CF and Ontario) has an average size of 221 and an average time travel of 40 minutes. The difference in time travel will be worse for Pleasant.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 11, 2017 15:07:17 GMT -5
Not seriously, have you driven NORTH to Sandusky on Lake Erie for high school sports? Why did JA leave the Buckeye Athletic League? Were the trips to those schools further than Galion and Marion County schools? There isn't a league/conference called the Buckeye Athletic League and JA was independent until joining the MOAC in 2013 Your right, it was the Buckeye Athletic CONFERENCE. The last Conference JA was in when it apparently disbanded in 2003. The 14 schools going in different directions joining 4 different leagues. JA must have been the odd man out or no one wanted them. To go the desperation route of being an independent for 10 years before joining the MOAC. |
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Did the parents work with their children before going to school? Did they know how to print? Did they know their ABCs? Did they read books to their kids most nights before they go to bed? Did the kids see their parents reading a lot of books? Some kids entering kindergarten know how to print their names, recognize easy words, know easy addition. If not all of that was done, your kids are behind the competition. You're not giving them the best chance to excel in school. BTW, a divorce doesn't help. 
