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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 22:18:13 GMT -5
So it sounds like NU is out and Pleasant may be as well. Maybe that is the reason some have said RV and BV have been seeing what's in the area.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 11, 2017 23:06:43 GMT -5
Who is "some"? What "area"??
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Post by galion on Jul 12, 2017 3:19:55 GMT -5
Seriously Willard? Why don't you drive from Ontario to JA or from CF to JA and ask that question again. Hell, getting from there to Galion is no picnic. I don't blame them for leaving one bit. I doubt further expansion in that direction was on the table so to speak when they chose to join initially. Not seriously, have you driven NORTH to Sandusky on Lake Erie for high school sports? Why did JA leave the Buckeye Athletic League? Were the trips to those schools further than Galion and Marion County schools? I'll take that drive to Sandusky any day of the week as opposed to the drive to JA. Make that drive to JA from Ontario one of these days and try to tell me that they are comparable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 5:36:55 GMT -5
The good thing is you don't have to make the JA drive anymore. Unfortunately you having to deal with some new MOAC fans though. 😄
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Post by moacmama on Jul 12, 2017 8:03:06 GMT -5
You may as well change the name from MOAC to something else at this point. Maybe WTTMOACOC - We Took The MOAC Over Conference because very few original members remain. I know the MSL was interested in NU at one point as well as BV and Pleasant, but who wants to drive in that during weekday rush hour? NOT ME. It took me almost 2 hours to get to Grandview for football because Rt 33 was shutdown. I'll be leaving the house at 3pm this year, haha. I don't know if those schools are considering MSL or not, I haven't heard that in about a year, so wasn't sure if I should have said anything. You all know how 4 feels about rumors. lol. The CBC is a good move for NU.
Too bad, the MOAC was one of the best in its glory days.
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Post by jedbartlet98 on Jul 12, 2017 8:09:18 GMT -5
Very sad and juvenile that North Union and Pleasant would leave the MOAC because they aren't able to beat up on Harding like they thought they would.
Petty insecurities have killed the MOAC
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Post by jedbartlet98 on Jul 12, 2017 8:10:07 GMT -5
Also,
Do we have any official confirmation that Pleasant and North Union are leaving? Or are we just relying on what people "have heard"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 9:30:37 GMT -5
Also, Do we have any official confirmation that Pleasant and North Union are leaving? Or are we just relying on what people "have heard" North Union is a board of ed vote away, which is Monday. Pleasant isn't set quite in stone yet |
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Post by usa70pp on Jul 12, 2017 10:04:20 GMT -5
Very sad and juvenile that North Union and Pleasant would leave the MOAC because they aren't able to beat up on Harding like they thought they would. Petty insecurities have killed the MOAC What's really sad and juvenile is Marion Harding still thinks they are the ''cock of the walk''. The last Marion city school to make the playoffs was Marion Catholic in 2004. Since Harding last made the play-offs, 2003, North Union has been there six times and Pleasant eight. Most division two schools just assume they will beat division four and five teams anyway. |
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Post by jedbartlet98 on Jul 12, 2017 11:57:40 GMT -5
How many deep playoff runs have any of those teams made? 1 (Pleasant 2007)
Harding was allowed in the MOAC for 1 reason. Pleasant, North Union, River Valley, and Buckeye Valley thought it would be easy wins. Not that Harding is winning in the MOAC those schools have to act like little girls and run away because they can't win.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 12:38:22 GMT -5
I have been told the reason was a fear of being a league of 7.
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Post by usa70pp on Jul 12, 2017 12:43:06 GMT -5
I have been told the reason was a fear of being a league of 7. That and Harding was having all kinds of problems as an independent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 12:54:18 GMT -5
I have been told the reason was a fear of being a league of 7. That and Harding was having all kinds of problems as an independent. I would doubt that was a concern of the MOAC schools in 2013. Harding's problems with be independent were totally there fault. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 14:01:52 GMT -5
Not seriously, have you driven NORTH to Sandusky on Lake Erie for high school sports? Why did JA leave the Buckeye Athletic League? Were the trips to those schools further than Galion and Marion County schools? I'll take that drive to Sandusky any day of the week as opposed to the drive to JA. Make that drive to JA from Ontario one of these days and try to tell me that they are comparable. From Ontario, in the winter, going south and get to Morrow county and there's no snow. Going north to Ontario, get past Morrow country and there will be snow. The closer one gets to Lake Erie the Central Highland and Lake effects make it worse. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 14:08:02 GMT -5
You may as well change the name from MOAC to something else at this point. Maybe WTTMOACOC - We Took The MOAC Over Conference because very few original members remain. I know the MSL was interested in NU at one point as well as BV and Pleasant, but who wants to drive in that during weekday rush hour? NOT ME. It took me almost 2 hours to get to Grandview for football because Rt 33 was shutdown. I'll be leaving the house at 3pm this year, haha. I don't know if those schools are considering MSL or not, I haven't heard that in about a year, so wasn't sure if I should have said anything. You all know how 4 feels about rumors. lol. The CBC is a good move for NU. Too bad, the MOAC was one of the best in its glory days. The average travel time will be almost 50% greater and the average school size being 25% larger makes it a good move for NU? Explain. Did you know there is a school in the CBC that is larger that Harding? Maybe that school isn't as "athletic". |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 14:09:44 GMT -5
Also, Do we have any official confirmation that Pleasant and North Union are leaving? Or are we just relying on what people "have heard" North Union is a board of ed vote away, which is Monday. Pleasant isn't set quite in stone yet The travel time for NU in the CBC is almost 50% greater than in the MOAC. It would be much worse for Pleasant. If Pleasant wants out, maybe they should look at the N-10. Outside of Upper, they're a bunch of itsy bitsy schools. In that league Pleasant should win everything most years. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 14:20:13 GMT -5
I have been told the reason was a fear of being a league of 7. Here we go again, who told you that? If you're in an 8 school league the easiest and maybe the only way for it to be 7 is if YOU leave. I'LL actually give you the positions. The AD, coaches and administration at Ontario had NO PROBLEM with the NOL being a 7 school league. Based on FACTS you'll never convince me that the only reason NU wants out of the MOAC is their disdain for Harding. Which does not make them look good. With that being said, I LOVE the fact they want out. Shelby makes the MOAC stronger and I like their community. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 14:24:36 GMT -5
How many deep playoff runs have any of those teams made? 1 (Pleasant 2007) Harding was allowed in the MOAC for 1 reason. Pleasant, North Union, River Valley, and Buckeye Valley thought it would be easy wins. Not that Harding is winning in the MOAC those schools have to act like little girls and run away because they can't win. Pretty sad to vote yes then turn around a few years later, turn tail and run away to a Conference with bigger schools and MUCH greater travel time, just to get away from one school, not a conference. Just as bad as what some schools in the NCC did to Galion and Upper. OR maybe NU and Pleasant are afraid of the new schools. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 14:29:41 GMT -5
That and Harding was having all kinds of problems as an independent. I would doubt that was a concern of the MOAC schools in 2013. Harding's problems with be independent were totally there fault. Again, no names, no explanation, just a general put down with no facts to substantiate. |
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Post by babymaker on Jul 12, 2017 14:53:54 GMT -5
Man you get tiresome... I don't have a name who told me but the thought of being an odd sized conference was a deciding factor at the time.
You can either accept that or *complain (edited for use of a reference to a female dog) and moan about it being hearsay. Lets me honest a board full of people who don't use their real names I would argue the whole damn thread is hear say. So lets please move on.
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Post by moacmama on Jul 12, 2017 15:35:39 GMT -5
You may as well change the name from MOAC to something else at this point. Maybe WTTMOACOC - We Took The MOAC Over Conference because very few original members remain. I know the MSL was interested in NU at one point as well as BV and Pleasant, but who wants to drive in that during weekday rush hour? NOT ME. It took me almost 2 hours to get to Grandview for football because Rt 33 was shutdown. I'll be leaving the house at 3pm this year, haha. I don't know if those schools are considering MSL or not, I haven't heard that in about a year, so wasn't sure if I should have said anything. You all know how 4 feels about rumors. lol. The CBC is a good move for NU. Too bad, the MOAC was one of the best in its glory days. The average travel time will be almost 50% greater and the average school size being 25% larger makes it a good move for NU? Explain. Did you know there is a school in the CBC that is larger that Harding? Maybe that school isn't as "athletic". It snows in Union, Marion, and Delaware Counties too!!! Maybe not as much as you get, but I hated it when I would leave basketball at 9pm and have to drive home in it!!! And yes I am fully aware of what schools are in the CBC. Honestly I will miss MOAC and the camaraderie all the kids have between the schools. My oldest (who graduated several years ago) was on a travel baseball team with other MOAC kids and it is fun to run into their parents at events. Lots of great friends through the years. Even with, dare I say it? Harding folk. |
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Post by moacmama on Jul 12, 2017 15:38:37 GMT -5
I have been told the reason was a fear of being a league of 7. Here we go again, who told you that? If you're in an 8 school league the easiest and maybe the only way for it to be 7 is if YOU leave. I'LL actually give you the positions. The AD, coaches and administration at Ontario had NO PROBLEM with the NOL being a 7 school league. Based on FACTS you'll never convince me that the only reason NU wants out of the MOAC is their disdain for Harding. Which does not make them look good. With that being said, I LOVE the fact they want out. Shelby makes the MOAC stronger and I like their community. Thanks for the love Willard. I don't know what school you are affiliated with (although I am pretty sure it is not Galion...lol) but there are many reasons for the change. Probably the biggest is instability and having to look out for #1. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:21:40 GMT -5
It snows in Union, Marion, and Delaware Counties too!!! Maybe not as much as you get, but I hated it when I would leave basketball at 9pm and have to drive home in it!!! And yes I am fully aware of what schools are in the CBC. Honestly I will miss MOAC and the camaraderie all the kids have between the schools. My oldest (who graduated several years ago) was on a travel baseball team with other MOAC kids and it is fun to run into their parents at events. Lots of great friends through the years. Even with, dare I say it? Harding folk. You are correct mama it does snow everywhere so that would be a stupid remark for someone to make as an excuse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:26:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the love Willard. I don't know what school you are affiliated with (although I am pretty sure it is not Galion...lol) but there are many reasons for the change. Probably the biggest is instability and having to look out for #1. mama, the school would be Ontario. It does seem that what has been going around is being confirmed by some of the things you have posted. There was more than one reason for NU wanting a change. Instability is evident from the changes that have happened in the last 5 years. |
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Post by 4 on Jul 12, 2017 17:57:28 GMT -5
When Harding was independent they were getting smacked by teams. Moac teams thought they'd do the same to them, not knowing the teams they were playing. Akron st V, Austintown-Fitch to name a couple. But it sucks seeing the moac change. Before Harding joined I kept tabs on it cause it's been a solid league. But hopefully it can work it's way back up.
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Post by usa70pp on Jul 12, 2017 19:24:33 GMT -5
When Harding was independent they were getting smacked by teams. Moac teams thought they'd do the same to them, not knowing the teams they were playing. Akron st V, Austintown-Fitch to name a couple. But it sucks seeing the moac change. Before Harding joined I kept tabs on it cause it's been a solid league. But hopefully it can work it's way back up. Where do you come up with this? You really think MOAC schools didn't know what kind of schools Harding was playing when they were on their own? As for MOAC teams thinking they would beat up on Harding as well, you need that to be true in order to make your idea that winning the MOAC title is better than making the play-offs. |
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Post by 4 on Jul 12, 2017 19:37:48 GMT -5
I'm sure they knew, but there were schools around thinking it would be an easy win and points for them with Harding. When JA has been the only real threat here that Harding couldn't beat. And playoffs over a moac ship any day of the week.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 20:58:27 GMT -5
Here we go again, who told you that? If you're in an 8 school league the easiest and maybe the only way for it to be 7 is if YOU leave. I'LL actually give you the positions. The AD, coaches and administration at Ontario had NO PROBLEM with the NOL being a 7 school league. Based on FACTS you'll never convince me that the only reason NU wants out of the MOAC is their disdain for Harding. Which does not make them look good. With that being said, I LOVE the fact they want out. Shelby makes the MOAC stronger and I like their community. Thanks for the love Willard. I don't know what school you are affiliated with (although I am pretty sure it is not Galion...lol) but there are many reasons for the change. Probably the biggest is instability and having to look out for #1. Playing in a league with schools that are 25% larger than the schools in the MOAC and having 50% longer trips on average both ways is looking out for #1?? Very strange. Even stranger is that no one in the other half of the old MOAC, which has ONLY 8 schools, is a afraid of what NU is afraid of. OH, I forgot they don't have to play Harding. The REAL fear. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 12, 2017 21:19:09 GMT -5
It snows in Union, Marion, and Delaware Counties too!!! Maybe not as much as you get, but I hated it when I would leave basketball at 9pm and have to drive home in it!!! And yes I am fully aware of what schools are in the CBC. Honestly I will miss MOAC and the camaraderie all the kids have between the schools. My oldest (who graduated several years ago) was on a travel baseball team with other MOAC kids and it is fun to run into their parents at events. Lots of great friends through the years. Even with, dare I say it? Harding folk. You are correct mama it does snow everywhere so that would be a stupid remark for someone to make as an excuse. You would be the REAL "stupid" one. Not even mama thinks snowfall is the same in all areas of Ohio. No "excuse", just meteorological facts. I've had reasons to travel back and forth to Columbus A LOT over the years. For round numbers sake it's been 50 times in the winter and it's snowing when I got on 71, but there is no snow south of Morrow County. Those driving to Manfield from Columbus would say there was no snow until they got to Morrow county, and then all of sudden there's a couple of inches. You have heard of how the Central Highlands and Lake Erie both affect snow fall right? They both come into play when heading NORTH to Sandusky on Lake Erie. Almost always more snow around Sandusky than Mansfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 21:31:24 GMT -5
The travel time will be almost 50% greater and the average school size being 25% larger makes it for NU? Explain. And yes I am fully aware of what schools are in the CBC. Remember mama, with 12 schools you won't play everyone and we don't know what the schedules will be so saying what the travel is for NU or what size schools NU will be playing right now is an uneducated guess. |
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