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Post by GHS 1999 on Jun 26, 2017 16:08:23 GMT -5
To help keep the 2017 Football thread on topic, here is a thread for any potential changes.
It was discussed that North Union was going to have a vote to leave the MOAC and that an invite would be given to Shelby. Has either of these happened?
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Post by babymaker on Jun 27, 2017 6:46:38 GMT -5
The last thing I heard is that for now NU was staying.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 27, 2017 15:45:40 GMT -5
That's good to know. Ontario just hung their new MOAC school banners in the O-rena.
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Post by gt1975 on Jun 28, 2017 11:25:34 GMT -5
That's good to know. Ontario just hung their new MOAC school banners in the O-rena. I don't think Galion has hung any MOAC school banners since they joined the conference. They had their NOL school banners up the 2 years they were in the NCC and I think the first year they were in the MOAC. LOL. They are slow to get things done. LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 12:49:49 GMT -5
Maybe they are not looking at this being a long relationship.  |
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Post by gt1975 on Jun 29, 2017 12:15:43 GMT -5
Maybe they are not looking at this being a long relationship. Haha. I think they're just slow at getting things done. |
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Post by galiontiger on Jul 2, 2017 11:34:06 GMT -5
Why put a banner up? Schools seem to change like every 2 years it seems to me. The banner would be a waste of money that could be spent elsewhere. I think it's a little ridiculous..just play football.
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Post by galion on Jul 2, 2017 11:42:22 GMT -5
Didn't you move your kid to Galion just to play football?
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Post by hardingmavman on Jul 2, 2017 21:48:43 GMT -5
Didn't you move your kid to Galion just to play football? OUCH... and no response... lol |
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Post by galiontiger on Jul 3, 2017 3:13:31 GMT -5
Didn't you move your kid to Galion just to play football? What's that have to do with spending money on a goofy banner? We played Jonathan Alder every year and got whooped, you didn't hear me crying about the drive...the division difference or how many kids they had in their school...just play football. If you got a good team, it will all play out in the end. I did move for football...and get control on my son's grades to see if he could even handle college. He had a 1.68 GPA when I got him from Crestline. He ended up with a 2.37 GPA..the last 2 semesters with over a 3.0 GPA. So mission accomplished. He didn't win a game his sophomore year as QB with Crestline. I wanted to see if he could play on a successful team and be able to contribute The next year, I moved him to Galion. He helped lead Galion into the playoffs and threw "0" interceptions for the regular season in 9 games. I say "mission accomplished" again. Is that a good enough response? haha! |
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Post by galion on Jul 3, 2017 3:47:52 GMT -5
The point is if it's ok for your son to change schools in search of more football success isn't it a bit hypocritical on your part judge a school for changing conferences for the exact same reason?
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Post by 4 on Jul 3, 2017 13:16:35 GMT -5
How many did he win his senior year? Lol
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Post by moacfootballfan on Jul 3, 2017 16:51:39 GMT -5
100% of Galion's wins came with Chase at Quarterback, LOL.
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Post by galiontiger on Jul 3, 2017 21:59:58 GMT -5
The point is if it's ok for your son to change schools in search of more football success isn't it a bit hypocritical on your part judge a school for changing conferences for the exact same reason? No I don't think so...too many different reasons for changing on a personal level. Plus who cares..just don't buy a goofy banner if you know this is going to happen...save your money and buy a new scoreboard that shows each players points during the game. haha! Chase doesn't win games. A QB leads his team into battle with the weapons provided. Only QB I saw who actually won games for their team last year was that Shelby QB and his team has been together since before 9th grade. That's called building a legacy. Too bad he got in a little trouble this year. He's fun to watch. He should have a decent college career, if he stays out of trouble..works on his accuracy in pressure and gets his chance in college. He's the only true QB I watched last year. A couple others were decent, but none that I would "write home to mom about". |
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Post by fbfan on Jul 4, 2017 7:37:17 GMT -5
The point is if it's ok for your son to change schools in search of more football success isn't it a bit hypocritical on your part judge a school for changing conferences for the exact same reason? No I don't think so...too many different reasons for changing on a personal level. Plus who cares..just don't buy a goofy banner if you know this is going to happen...save your money and buy a new scoreboard that shows each players points during the game. haha! Chase doesn't win games. A QB leads his team into battle with the weapons provided. Only QB I saw who actually won games for their team last year was that Shelby QB and his team has been together since before 9th grade. That's called building a legacy. Too bad he got in a little trouble this year. He's fun to watch. He should have a decent college career, if he stays out of trouble..works on his accuracy in pressure and gets his chance in college. He's the only true QB I watched last year. A couple others were decent, but none that I would "write home to mom about". I wish your son good fortune as he starts his football and education at BW. I also think that you are going to receive an education about football talent. |
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Post by galiontiger on Jul 4, 2017 11:52:16 GMT -5
No I don't think so...too many different reasons for changing on a personal level. Plus who cares..just don't buy a goofy banner if you know this is going to happen...save your money and buy a new scoreboard that shows each players points during the game. haha! Chase doesn't win games. A QB leads his team into battle with the weapons provided. Only QB I saw who actually won games for their team last year was that Shelby QB and his team has been together since before 9th grade. That's called building a legacy. Too bad he got in a little trouble this year. He's fun to watch. He should have a decent college career, if he stays out of trouble..works on his accuracy in pressure and gets his chance in college. He's the only true QB I watched last year. A couple others were decent, but none that I would "write home to mom about". I wish your son good fortune as he starts his football and education at BW. I also think that you are going to receive an education about football talent. Well thank you, my son is excited..and nervous.... Now on me gaining an education about football talent, I don't know what you mean by that, unless you are questioning my ability on evaluating the quarterbacks I saw last year. Then I would say...what did I get wrong? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 11:57:16 GMT -5
Didn't you move your kid to Galion just to play football? What's that have to do with spending money on a goofy banner? We played Jonathan Alder every year and got whooped, you didn't hear me crying about the drive...the division difference or how many kids they had in their school...just play football. If you got a good team, it will all play out in the end. I did move for football...and get control on my son's grades to see if he could even handle college. He had a 1.68 GPA when I got him from Crestline. He ended up with a 2.37 GPA..the last 2 semesters with over a 3.0 GPA. So mission accomplished. He didn't win a game his sophomore year as QB with Crestline. I wanted to see if he could play on a successful team and be able to contribute The next year, I moved him to Galion. He helped lead Galion into the playoffs and threw "0" interceptions for the regular season in 9 games. I say "mission accomplished" again. Is that a good enough response? haha! Unless every Crestline kid is carrying a 1.6 GPA that's all on your son and not the school. Just pointing out it was not the school. Also, let's not forget that Galion was in the D4 playoffs the year before your son, so he joined a playoff team he didn't necessarily lead them to the D5 playoffs in the 8th spot. Which is another topic as going 7-2 would typically get you higher but may show more about the competition which we've heard was directly connected to the prior coach . Splitting hairs maybe, but they had been their and he had not. |
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Post by moacfootballfan on Jul 5, 2017 10:37:00 GMT -5
My personal opinion for last year only is that we probably would have had the same record last year whether Chase played or not.
We probably could have still beat Bucyrus in a blowout. Fairbanks might have been a toss up.
The year before that, I would probably give Chase some credit for the playoff appearance (as with the efforts of the rest of the team) because we saw last year that there was a dropoff between Chase and the 2nd string quarterback.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 16:34:08 GMT -5
Absolutely give the kid and the team credit for the wins. But let's not make it out to be Tom Brady joining the Browns and leading them to the playoffs.
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Post by galiontiger on Jul 5, 2017 21:42:35 GMT -5
Well if you don't know anything about Galion football or didn't follow them as ...or wasn't there for the Playoff game playing the #1 seed, Edison. Yes, Galion did make the playoffs (I think the 4 previous seasons.), and they got blew out each game. I doubt now how many playoff games we were the #8 seeded team. But that game against Edison was competitive. We were only down 7 points in the middle of the 3rd quarter. In fact, one of the seniors stated it was the only playoff game in which he played that they felt like they had a chance to win. But the coach took my son out from being QB on 4th down (when we needed only one yard) on our own 25 or 30 yard line to go for it and tried to run Jacob Fryer off the end of the line. He got stopped and the rest is history..GAME OVER! So you are going to be hard pressed to say my son didn't add anything to the team and didn't "help" lead them into the playoffs. In fact, there's a chance we might not even make the playoffs that year, since it was only an 8th seed we got. The Buckeye Valley lost that year I thought was attributed to Coach Hawkins flipping QB's out during the game. Fryer threw an interception that killed us at the end of that game. That should have never happened. I love that kid too; he's very talented as a receiver. Soooo fast. I hope he does amazing things at Heidelberg.
Our record last year was based on ONE thing and ONE thing only. You can't beat a team when every time the other team gets the ball they score within like 3 snaps no matter wherever they are on the field. Chase getting hurt in the 2nd game didn't help the team either, because he was playing defense too before that. So that was one less Senior defensive player they had.
And I never contributed Chase's GPA on Crestline schooling. I don't know where you got that. It was ALL Chase's fault, not the schools. When Chase needed a change, it meant me coming over to Galion and putting the clamps down on him. I needed to give him some guidance. We needed to work as a team and get his GPA up, so he knew what he needed to do in college. He's right where he needs to be. He did fabulous his senior year, taking a full schedule too. Now with my oldest, Codi...yes I do give out some blame to the Crestline schools. Everyone knew Codi wanted to be a college football player. How does a school not give him "ANY" NCAA math courses during his 4 years there? None of his math courses were accepted by the NCAA. Math was one of his strongest subjects too. I find that hard to believe that a counselor wouldn't have sat down with a parent or child and said, "Codi you need to takes this math course, because you need this or that to be eligible thru the NCAA if you want to play football?" Isn't that what a guidance counselor is suppose to do...guide a young man into college? I would find it hard to believe that anyone on here would disagree with me. AND if so, I ask you this...would you know if it was your oldest child what classes are accepted thru the NCAA and how would you go about finding this out? I know now, but I would find it hard to believe anyone of you on here would know..if you are being totally honest with me. I mean just think of this: Crestline allowed Codi to take "Intermediate Algebra II" which is NOT a course accepted by the NCAA, as a math course. Algebra I is, but not "Intermediate Algebra II". That makes no sense to me, but maybe I should have known that. (because I'm sure "one" of you will say I should have. hahaha!) So is that my fault or the guidance counselors?
In "hopefully" ending this subject, some of you guys need to just be a little more supportive of dads, brother, Uncles on here with their family members. Too much hate and maybe a little of jealousy. It doesn't bother me..cause I just laugh at your silly butts. But honestly if the shoe was reversed, I'd wish your boy the best and thank you for giving me more insight on his future and your views on how it all happened. I'd follow your boy in his future and be supportive you guys. But some of you guys...GOOD LORD! Or as my President would say on the campaign trail...."very...very sad." hahaha!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 10:04:59 GMT -5
Again, absolutely give credit where it's due. But let's not forget Galion was a playoff team before Chase so one COULD argue they lead him to the playoffs OR that he needed them to make the playoffs. Not the other way around.
My point with the schools is that you keep tossing out the GPA in reference to needing to change schools. Thus implying Crestline was part of the issue. But now we know, from your own words, the low GPA was 100% your son's effort, or lack of, and not the school he was attending. In fact, raising his grades and having future interest in playing at D3 BW could have been made without a change of schools.
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Post by moacmama on Jul 6, 2017 10:06:37 GMT -5
Galiontiger - regarding your oldest -- Crestline is hardly in the business of turning out D1 athletes year after year. It is up to the student and the parent to advocate for the kid and do the NCAA clearinghouse research. You are assuming "everyone knew he wanted to play college football". That was your first mistake. Lots of kids wants to be "college football players" just like every little kid wants to be a fireman. My son wanted to play college football too and we went the extra mile to research what he needed to do when he was in 8th grade. He also had a great coach who gave him the info. AD's have this info too. (I noticed you didn't blame the AD - they will know who the "athletes" are long before a counselor) My son no longer wants to play college football but is now set up to get in any college he wants, thanks to the academics he chose to take with our encouragement and support. Parents need to advocate for their kids. Kids need to advocate for themselves and listen to the school when they say NCAA info is available in the office and online. Do your research to play at the next level. Good luck to your boys. I am not hating on them. I have complimented them several times on here. Just hate it when parents blame the schools for everything. That is a huge problem in our society.
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Post by moacmama on Jul 6, 2017 10:09:40 GMT -5
And now the whole reason I got on this thread - NU school board meeting is July 17 - stay tuned.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 6, 2017 13:19:57 GMT -5
If you can't get a good GPA at Crestline, you can't at any school in this area.
Courses needed to play sports in college is a non sequitur. Just the other way around. All someone, anyone had to do was sit down with a counselor and TELL THEM, I/he/she wants to go to college. Which should be done before the start of the Freshman year, after that could be too late, unless one goes to summer school. With that known a student is automatically put on a college preparatory track, with minimum course requirements to get into any State University in Ohio. As long as one meets ACT and/or SAT requirements and has an acceptable GPA. DO NOT be concerned about making that statement about a Freshman. One can always change their mind and not want to go to college and start taking different courses. But, it is almost impossible halfway though high school, to change your mind, wanting to go to college. Then you would probably have to go to a Junior College for a year to make up courses to gain entry to College.
After the past 15 years reading JJ Huddle through/to NCoast. No other "dad, brother, Uncles" have lived their lives so vicariously through their student athlete....."very...very sad". hehehe!
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Post by galiontiger on Jul 6, 2017 13:50:03 GMT -5
Again, absolutely give credit where it's due. But let's not forget Galion was a playoff team before Chase so one COULD argue they lead him to the playoffs OR that he needed them to make the playoffs. Not the other way around. My point with the schools is that you keep tossing out the GPA in reference to needing to change schools. Thus implying Crestline was part of the issue. But now we know, from your own words, the low GPA was 100% your son's effort, or lack of, and not the school he was attending. In fact, raising his grades and having future interest in playing at D3 BW could have been made without a change of schools. Your last line was totally true...if his GPA was higher and he didn't get hurt his last year; Chase would have at least received a Division II scholarship..but playing for Galion vice Crestline would have helped, because he got noticed his Junior year at Galion. It just didn't workout, but we didn't need to leave Crestline to get BW to get interested in him and accept him. But also don't forget Chase got turned down by like 3 other Divsion 3 schools too, because of his GPA. BW honestly had to give him a personal interview just to allow him a chance to attend the college. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 6, 2017 13:55:30 GMT -5
Just hate it when parents blame the schools for everything. That is a huge problem in our society. ++++ |
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Post by galiontiger on Jul 6, 2017 14:00:29 GMT -5
If you can't get a good GPA at Crestline, you can't at any school in this area. Courses needed to play sports in college is a non sequitur. Just the other way around. All someone, anyone had to was sit down with a counselor and TELL THEM, I/he/she wants to go to college. Which should be done before the start of the Freshman year, after that could be too late, unless one goes to summer school. With that known a student is automatically put on a college preparatory track, with minimum course requirements to get into any State University in Ohio. As long as one meets ACT and/or SAT requirements and has an acceptable GPA. DO NOT be concerned about making that statement about a Freshman. One can always change their mind and not want to go to college and start taking different courses. But it is almost impossible halfway though high school, change your mind, wanting to go to college. Then you would probably have to go to a Junior College for a year to make up courses to gain entry to College. After the past 15 years reading JJ Huddle through/to NCoast. No other "dad, brother, Uncles" have lived their lives so vicariously through their student athlete....."very...very sad". hehehe! That's just not true..and to the other comment...everyone knew in Crestline that Cooke boys wanted to play football in college. A dad who doesn't know all the requirements. Crestline is a very small school..Division 7. We had requests to move to Wynford play football by friends of friends over there. A parent who never dealt with this before has no clue what math courses are eligible for the NCAA. Cause guess what? Each school is different. The NCAA told me that they were shocked that Crestline hadn't submitted the paperwork for the "Intermediate to Algebra II", because they guy thought that would be acceptable class. Too late, a parent hopes that a counsel...AD..principal or anyone who has any clue with a school would guide your son or daughter starting at the 9th grade level. It didn't happen, and you can blame me all you want, but I didn't know there was certain classes you had to take. Just for example Galion has about 6-7 math classes that are eligible thru the NCAA...Crestline has like 4. Also saying that about a kid at Crestline can't get a good GPA anywhere else is not true. Chase instantly started getting better grades at Galion. He was on the Merit Roll the whole Senior year. |
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Post by galiontiger on Jul 6, 2017 14:07:02 GMT -5
Galiontiger - regarding your oldest -- Crestline is hardly in the business of turning out D1 athletes year after year. It is up to the student and the parent to advocate for the kid and do the NCAA clearinghouse research. You are assuming "everyone knew he wanted to play college football". That was your first mistake. Lots of kids wants to be "college football players" just like every little kid wants to be a fireman. My son wanted to play college football too and we went the extra mile to research what he needed to do when he was in 8th grade. He also had a great coach who gave him the info. AD's have this info too. (I noticed you didn't blame the AD - they will know who the "athletes" are long before a counselor) My son no longer wants to play college football but is now set up to get in any college he wants, thanks to the academics he chose to take with our encouragement and support. Parents need to advocate for their kids. Kids need to advocate for themselves and listen to the school when they say NCAA info is available in the office and online. Do your research to play at the next level. Good luck to your boys. I am not hating on them. I have complimented them several times on here. Just hate it when parents blame the schools for everything. That is a huge problem in our society. I'm not blaming them on everything. I'm just saying someone dropped the ball here. What the heck does a guidance counselor do..if she or he isn't "guiding a young man or woman"? That's their job. I know I'd never let that happen if I was a guidance counselor at small school like that. I've dealt with young men and women around that age for 10 years as a Marine Corps Recruiter. I know what's expected of myself and my company (the Marine Corps). You have to educate these young men or women. You got to take care of them and get their parents involved. I do blame a lot on school system. I'm not going to lie. When I have "multiple" young men tell me they learned more with me in 30 minutes than they did in 4 years of high school by me just showing them how to do a few Algebra problems...there's a serious problem out there. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 6, 2017 14:24:10 GMT -5
You didn't have to know what courses were needed. All YOU had to do BEFORE the start of Freshman year is TELL a counselor that your student wanted to go to college. THAT would have gotten the student all the classes needed to be accepted to all State Universities in Ohio, AS WELL AS play football. The rest of your excuses are just mumbo jumbo. All YOU had to do was your duty as a parent and scheduled that conference. 100% of ALL parents MUST schedule that conference to set the proper path for the future goals of their child. It doesn't matter if they want to go to college, a technical school or just the bare minimum to graduate from high school and work at a fast food restaurant.
What was meant was, Crestline should be the easiest school in this area to get good grades. Their % of students going to a 4-year college after graduation is the lowest.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jul 6, 2017 18:14:01 GMT -5
And now the whole reason I got on this thread - NU school board meeting is July 17 - stay tuned. Thanks for the insight moacmomma. This was being reported on the sbc forum as well. Any thoughts as to what might happen? |
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