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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 14, 2018 16:46:45 GMT -5
port, not to argue with scarlet, but I would agree with you. Most Willard fans thought they would see an immediate improvement while many outside the district limits did not have the optimism or the negative feelings towards a personnel change. This is why I mentioned the change made by the Flashes in 1998. More untruths. Most of the talk about improvement was at the lower levels, due to programs instituted by the new coach and his involvement with the younger players.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 14, 2018 16:48:41 GMT -5
Willard is putrid. Right up there with Huron this year. Huron has lost a lot of cloe games and competitive ones against good competition. There last 5 games they are 1-5 included in there is 20 point plus win over a .500 St. Mary's team, a 3 point loss to a good Edison team, 2-5 point losses to good Lake division (both D2) teams Norwalk & Sandusky and a 1 point loss to another good D2 team in Clyde. Willard has not competed at that level with those type teams... More insults for Willard from the insult twins. Explaining why Huron isn't "putrid", but agreeing that Willard is "putrid".
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Post by chandler182 on Feb 14, 2018 17:07:31 GMT -5
Let’s just agree they are both horrific
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Post by portwalk on Feb 14, 2018 18:41:06 GMT -5
Let’s just agree they are both horrific I’ll talk directly to you even though I’m sure WF will have to chime in. I actually believe Huron might be able to hang with mighty Upper in the tourney if they play as they did in the contests detailed above. Obviously in those games they didn’t play like a putrid team...
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Post by portwalk on Feb 14, 2018 18:53:53 GMT -5
Scarlet, Believe me other Willard posters not including parents such burgundy were talking about competing for a Bay title others talked about .500 type records What? When or where did I ever predict that? Hell, I’ve barely even posted on these topics. My apologies it was Moneyball no idea if that’s a kid mother or brother but here is s cut and paste of the quote when Willard was 2-1 in the league I believe... "Willard has a chance to win their league. Huron, Vermilion and E bench for some scoring. They are looking good right now."
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Post by chandler182 on Feb 14, 2018 19:13:13 GMT -5
Let’s just agree they are both horrific I’ll talk directly to you even though I’m sure WF will have to chime in. I actually believe Huron might be able to hang with mighty Upper in the tourney if they play as they did in the contests detailed above. Obviously in those games they didn’t play like a putrid team... I think they’ll win their first one pretty handily. But Upper’s guards are on a much higher level than Huron’s to me. Bobby has had a great run and is a great coach, but I think he’s ready to be done at Huron from what I hear/see
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Post by ScarletFever on Feb 14, 2018 20:41:08 GMT -5
port, not to argue with scarlet, but I would agree with you. Most Willard fans thought they would see an immediate improvement while many outside the district limits did not have the optimism or the negative feelings towards a personnel change. This is why I mentioned the change made by the Flashes in 1998. You can both say as you wish, but ppl posting on this goofy forum and real folks in the know on the street are 2 different things. Those close to the program that knew what talent was/wasn't there when asked directly 'Hey should be a good year right???' said back directly and bluntly '4 wins'. Trust me. I know ppl like to dump on Willard and say everyone's crazy, but unbridled internet optimism aside among other agendas (remember kids not all are behind the coaches so may have tried to increase expectations to make them look bad)... people with a clue knew this was coming.
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Post by ScarletFever on Feb 14, 2018 20:44:49 GMT -5
Scarlet, Believe me other Willard posters not including parents such burgundy were talking about competing for a Bay title others talked about .500 type records What? When or where did I ever predict that? Hell, I’ve barely even posted on these topics. I knew that was loony as well burgandy but I thought I'd let you speak for yourself. It's fun on the net to say 'Willard fans think they are going to win a State title and they ended up winning 4 games haha they sure tucked their tails now'. Folks, it's a hoops wasteland in Willard now and has been from opening tip. There's like 20 people in the stands. Now if next year we win 4 games or less, shame on me. If 2 years from now we don't compete for a league / district title. Shame on me.
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Post by ScarletFever on Feb 14, 2018 20:47:13 GMT -5
What? When or where did I ever predict that? Hell, I’ve barely even posted on these topics. My apologies it was Moneyball no idea if that’s a kid mother or brother but here is s cut and paste of the quote when Willard was 2-1 in the league I believe... "Willard has a chance to win their league. Huron, Vermilion and E bench for some scoring. They are looking good right now." No argument here port, this is the same person that said this will end up be the being the best Willard team of all time. Yes if you want to bust on those quotes I have no defense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 21:47:46 GMT -5
SF, I am not one of those you mention who like to dump on Willard. I normally lean towards the side of being realistic and not buy into the "fake news". Over the last 10 years many schools have had good to great junior high teams. In today's arena of youth sports, it common for something to go off course before it turns into a trip to regional. Most schools no days are trying to take a fast track to false success by simplifying their schedules to get more wins rather than improve their own teams.
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Post by moneyball on Feb 15, 2018 11:44:30 GMT -5
My apologies it was Moneyball no idea if that’s a kid mother or brother but here is s cut and paste of the quote when Willard was 2-1 in the league I believe... "Willard has a chance to win their league. Huron, Vermilion and E bench for some scoring. They are looking good right now." No argument here port, this is the same person that said this will end up be the being the best Willard team of all time. Yes if you want to bust on those quotes I have no defense. I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I never stated being the best Willard team of all time. If you can find that quote from me I'll eat crow, but it wasn't I that stated that comment. I did state I thought they had a chance to win their league earlier in the year, but unforeseen circumstances put a damper on that.
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Post by ScarletFever on Feb 15, 2018 13:59:04 GMT -5
Yes I was slightly off. crimson5 said it and your reply was 'I'm going to have to agree with crimson on this one'
No big deal.
Side note even with BB I don't think we get much more than 2-3 additional wins. The team I saw at Edison with him on the court was a mess. Let's send the seniors out as best we can this year, the HL win was a nice one & maybe win a tourney game or 2.
I look forward to Flashes 2018-21 years.
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Post by crimson5 on Feb 15, 2018 14:29:28 GMT -5
Yes I was slightly off. crimson5 said it and your reply was 'I'm going to have to agree with crimson on this one' No big deal. Side note even with BB I don't think we get much more than 2-3 additional wins. The team I saw at Edison with him on the court was a mess. Let's send the seniors out as best we can this year, the HL win was a nice one & maybe win a tourney game or 2. I look forward to Flashes 2018-21 years. " I think its a fair statement, but I also agree with moneyball's statement regarding 2 years from now, willard may have a team comparable to some of the best teams in willard's history" This is what I said. Read more: ncoast.proboards.com/thread/1410/willard?page=8#ixzz57CsQn1K5
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Post by ScarletFever on Feb 15, 2018 14:33:26 GMT -5
Yes I was slightly off. crimson5 said it and your reply was 'I'm going to have to agree with crimson on this one' No big deal. Side note even with BB I don't think we get much more than 2-3 additional wins. The team I saw at Edison with him on the court was a mess. Let's send the seniors out as best we can this year, the HL win was a nice one & maybe win a tourney game or 2. I look forward to Flashes 2018-21 years. willard may have a team comparable to some of the best teams in willard's history I don't think we'll come within sniffing distance of being one of the top 20 teams Willard's ever had. In fact give me our 20th best team ever today and I don't think we'd lose a game all year until regionals. In 2018 though you don't need to be awesome, you only need to be average to win league & district titles. If you're 'good' you can go to regionals and if you're not matched up with some catholic superteam there you can go to state.
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Post by broccolirob on Feb 15, 2018 16:17:20 GMT -5
With all due respect, hasn't this once again devolved into "Willard thread" territory?
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Post by raja on Feb 15, 2018 17:55:02 GMT -5
No kidding this thing has been Willard high jacked again ! There's another thread just for that I think. So take your Willard problems over there
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Post by ScarletFever on Feb 15, 2018 23:27:13 GMT -5
Oh my goodness didn't mean to disturb you both. Such horrible injustice happening on this thread.
You can blame the cat that was asking 'where all the Willard posters went' and it snowballed from there.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 1:08:04 GMT -5
SF, I am not one of those you mention who like to dump on Willard. I normally lean towards the side of being realistic and not buy into the "fake news". Over the last 10 years many schools have had good to great junior high teams. In today's arena of youth sports, it common for something to go off course before it turns into a trip to regional. Most schools no days are trying to take a fast track to false success by simplifying their schedules to get more wins rather than improve their own teams. More untruths, THE biggest of dumpers. THE TRUTH. Lex with A LOT of good to great junior high teams over the past 10 years, but only one trip to regional.
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Post by ohioraised on Feb 16, 2018 8:28:08 GMT -5
SF, I am not one of those you mention who like to dump on Willard. I normally lean towards the side of being realistic and not buy into the "fake news". Over the last 10 years many schools have had good to great junior high teams. In today's arena of youth sports, it common for something to go off course before it turns into a trip to regional. Most schools no days are trying to take a fast track to false success by simplifying their schedules to get more wins rather than improve their own teams. More untruths, THE biggest of dumpers. THE TRUTH. Lex with A LOT of good to great junior high teams over the past 10 years, but only one trip to regional. What would be the untruth you are claiming when you are repeating what was said.
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Post by bballfrenzy on Feb 16, 2018 8:39:46 GMT -5
Oh my goodness didn't mean to disturb you both. Such horrible injustice happening on this thread. You can blame the cat that was asking 'where all the Willard posters went' and it snowballed from there. My bad scarlet, it just seemed real quiet lately from all those posters. And I prefer dog over cat, “blame the dog”.
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Post by bigox on Feb 16, 2018 9:00:20 GMT -5
Hell at least there is discussion going on. Besides it's fun to listen to all the drama Willard folk bring almost better than General Hospital or Days of Our Lives. Heck even touching the likes of Jerry Springer or Steve Wilkos!!!.😎😎
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 12:23:48 GMT -5
More untruths, THE biggest of dumpers. THE TRUTH. Lex with A LOT of good to great junior high teams over the past 10 years, but only one trip to regional. What would be the untruth you are claiming when you are repeating what was said. Another attempt to try and start an argument. You could ask him over the last 10 years how many of his school's junior high or freshman teams were league champs and then see how many trips to regionals his school has had. As said, over the last 10 years I have seen many schools have had good or great junior high teams. But in today's sports, it is the normal for something to go off course before it turns into a trip to regional. Youth success rarely is directly connected to varsity success. Some schools or coaches today try to get wins by simplifying their schedules instead of getting better by playing more games against good teams. An 8th grade team loaded with talent may supply 4 seniors to a varsity roster with only 2 starting. This happens at many schools.
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Post by moneyball on Feb 16, 2018 12:55:56 GMT -5
What would be the untruth you are claiming when you are repeating what was said. Another attempt to try and start an argument. You could ask him over the last 10 years how many of his school's junior high or freshman teams were league champs and then see how many trips to regionals his school has had. As said, over the last 10 years I have seen many schools have had good or great junior high teams. But in today's sports, it is the normal for something to go off course before it turns into a trip to regional. Youth success rarely is directly connected to varsity success. Some schools or coaches today try to get wins by simplifying their schedules instead of getting better by playing more games against good teams. An 8th grade team loaded with talent may supply 4 seniors to a varsity roster with only 2 starting. This happens at many schools. Good point in your two last sentences. I do think that with buzz and success comes a greater number of players taking interest and going out for teams. It starts with good leadership and holding true to values that build a strong foundation.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 15:42:51 GMT -5
What would be the untruth you are claiming when you are repeating what was said. Another attempt to try and start an argument. You could ask him over the last 10 years how many of his school's junior high or freshman teams were league champs and then see how many trips to regionals his school has had. As said, over the last 10 years I have seen many schools have had good or great junior high teams. But in today's sports, it is the normal for something to go off course before it turns into a trip to regional. Youth success rarely is directly connected to varsity success. Some schools or coaches today try to get wins by simplifying their schedules instead of getting better by playing more games against good teams. An 8th grade team loaded with talent may supply 4 seniors to a varsity roster with only 2 starting. This happens at many schools. Just stating a FACT, that you could have used as an example for your supposition. Instead of putting down Willard again. You can't handle the truth. It is a LIE to propose the start of an argument. An impossibility since you're to much of a chicken shat to read ALL posts.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 16, 2018 15:44:18 GMT -5
More untruths, THE biggest of dumpers. THE TRUTH. Lex with A LOT of good to great junior high teams over the past 10 years, but only one trip to regional. What would be the untruth you are claiming when you are repeating what was said. Saying he doesn't dump, when he's a leading dumper. AND he gave no specifics just generalities. I provided a FACT in support of his generality. That he knew better than any other example.
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Post by raja on Feb 16, 2018 16:01:45 GMT -5
So not to get off track here but what games tonight ? Any thoughts ? And who has the best concession stand food ? ..... there's something to talk about
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Post by ohioraised on Feb 16, 2018 16:52:09 GMT -5
What would be the untruth you are claiming when you are repeating what was said. Saying he doesn't dump, when he's a leading dumper. AND he gave no specifics just generalities. I provided a FACT in support of his generality. That he knew better than any other example. It is a online chat, not everyone has to give you facts and not everyone cares about yours when many are fabricated in your head. I happen to agree that winning in 8th grade means nothing for a varsity. Ask Clear Forks basketball coach.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 16, 2018 17:58:03 GMT -5
What would be the untruth you are claiming when you are repeating what was said. Another attempt to try and start an argument. You could ask him over the last 10 years how many of his school's junior high or freshman teams were league champs and then see how many trips to regionals his school has had. As said, over the last 10 years I have seen many schools have had good or great junior high teams. But in today's sports, it is the normal for something to go off course before it turns into a trip to regional. Youth success rarely is directly connected to varsity success. Some schools or coaches today try to get wins by simplifying their schedules instead of getting better by playing more games against good teams. An 8th grade team loaded with talent may supply 4 seniors to a varsity roster with only 2 starting. This happens at many schools. Very good point Dude, For a long time Norwalk was running a very successful Jr. Truckers football program but when they got up to high school they would continual the longest losing season around because some of the coaches were not good enough to lead them.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 16, 2018 18:16:36 GMT -5
So not to get off track here but what games tonight ? Any thoughts ? And who has the best concession stand food ? ..... there's something to talk about I'll help you raja. Here in Norwalk is the game for all the marbles. Sandusky @ Norwalk. If Norwalk wins tonight it would send the Lake into a 4-way tied for first place between Norwalk, Sandusky, Shelby and Clyde with one game left in the Lake for most of the schools. Norwalk will have one left at home against Bellevue, Clyde has one at TC, Shelby has one at Perkins, and Sandusky will be done with league play. As far as the concession stand I usually don't visit them but when it comes to programs if I can find them I know Edison you have to pay $3.00 for it. And I really complained when it was raised from 1 to 2 dollars.
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Post by broccolirob on Feb 16, 2018 20:23:05 GMT -5
Huron leads Vermilion at the half, 27-24. Tigers playing well and forcing Sailors into a half court grind it out game. Sailors very sloppy on Senior Night thus far.
Huron wins 61-56. They had to shoot over 60% for the game and seemed to come up with every loose ball. They played very well from start to finish and Vermilion didn't show up until about 5 minutes left when it was too little too late.
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