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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 9:41:36 GMT -5
If Urban knew about the allegation from 2015, and he likely did, and didn’t report it to his superiors at the University then he broke a clause in his contract. Now the question becomes, “What is the penalty for a breaking a clause in his contract?”
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Post by galion on Aug 2, 2018 9:43:07 GMT -5
I'm amazed how a domestic issue between 2 people could be used to fire others. Should every boss be fired who has an employee who possibly assaulted their spouse? Should every boss monitor the private life of their employees 24/7? If you are a job supervisor and your wife tells you that your team leader punched their spouse do you fire the employee or call the cops even if the spouse did nothing? If you work at a public school or state university then yes you are required to report any incident that you become aware of to the authorities. It is their job to determine whether or not the spouse did nothing not yours. Had Urban done this he would be in the clear right now. Instead he either sent or allowed a high price attorney to sit across from the victim and pressure her into keeping quiet for the good of Zack's career and the program's reputation.
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Post by dude on Aug 2, 2018 9:46:59 GMT -5
Urban sent his goon lawyer special assistant to Courtney to convince her to not press charges. Why would he do that if he didn't know anything? The goon told her to not press charges and that Zach was drunk and wouldn't hit her again. You think the goon told her all of this then didn't relate the details of their conversation to Urban? C'mon man. I did not know UM sent any lawyer to meet with the wife with any purpose. I'm not saying UM was ignorant to everything but I do not know yet what he did or did not know. What I do know from personal experience is that it's hard to file charges for someone else when they don't want charges filed. The report I read says in 2009 UM sent what he knew to his superiors and THEY did not feel their findings warranted further action. Some of that was because the victim didn't want it to go any further.
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Post by dude on Aug 2, 2018 9:48:30 GMT -5
I'm amazed how a domestic issue between 2 people could be used to fire others. Should every boss be fired who has an employee who possibly assaulted their spouse? Should every boss monitor the private life of their employees 24/7? If you are a job supervisor and your wife tells you that your team leader punched their spouse do you fire the employee or call the cops even if the spouse did nothing? If you work at a public school or state university then yes you are required to report any incident that you become aware of to the authorities. It is their job to determine whether or not the spouse did nothing not yours. Had Urban done this he would be in the clear right now. Instead he either sent or allowed a high price attorney to sit across from the victim and pressure her into keeping quiet for the good of Zack's career and the program's reputation. So then EVERY coach should be on leave because in her interview she said the coach's wives knew.
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Post by galion on Aug 2, 2018 9:54:18 GMT -5
When we find out who knew what and what was done at the end of the investigation then we shall see. Urban sits at the head of the table. He's in charge. If all of the coaches knew then ultimately the responsibility falls on him.
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Post by dude on Aug 2, 2018 10:06:33 GMT -5
When we find out who knew what and what was done at the end of the investigation then we shall see. Urban sits at the head of the table. He's in charge. If all of the coaches knew then ultimately the responsibility falls on him. I can agree with that but as you pointed out "If you work at a public school or state university then yes you are required to report any incident that you become aware of to the authorities. " where does it end? I would be much more relaxed about cleaning house of coaches who hide domestic violence had charges been filed. As it appears, in some reports, the victim didn't take action for at least 6 years but now wants it to be everyone else's fault nothing was done. And that is what puzzles me.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 2, 2018 11:32:24 GMT -5
gotta remember that Shelley Meyer is an employee of tOSU also, the same burden falls on her to report any possible abuse
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Post by galion on Aug 2, 2018 11:33:31 GMT -5
You can victim blame here all you want. It doesn't change the fact that Urban knew.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 2, 2018 11:41:43 GMT -5
The point man in blowing up this 'story'. McMurphy of ESPN, after going through all the e-mails, texts and evidence, had to reluctantly admit that "no, I did not see any direct evidence linking Urban Meyer to any knowledge of events".
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 2, 2018 11:46:00 GMT -5
When we find out who knew what and what was done at the end of the investigation then we shall see. Urban sits at the head of the table. He's in charge. If all of the coaches knew then ultimately the responsibility falls on him. I can agree with that but as you pointed out "If you work at a public school or state university then yes you are required to report any incident that you become aware of to the authorities. " where does it end? I would be much more relaxed about cleaning house of coaches who hide domestic violence had charges been filed. As it appears, in some reports, the victim didn't take action for at least 6 years but now wants it to be everyone else's fault nothing was done. And that is what puzzles me. Exactly! Courtney's actions contradict her current story line. To advocate and accomplish 'sealed documents' to whining that 'other people didn't do enough'.....sorry girl, you can't have it both ways.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 2, 2018 11:50:21 GMT -5
sportsjock i didn't think my opinion of you could get any lower but you dropped the bar again
congrats?
and Brett didn't "reluctantly admit" anything, Courteney herself says she doesn't know if Shelley told Urban, no one does...
...except that they portray Shelley as an unofficial "assistant coach" who is in Urban's backpocket with everything, except this, apparently...if you believe that sort of thing
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 2, 2018 11:53:41 GMT -5
I don't expect something as extreme as job termination. Amazing how so many of you are willing to turn your scorn towards Urban Meyer, when the evil eye should be cast upon the lack of action by law enforcement and the prosecutors office and the lack of resolve to file charges by the victim. Ohio State will not dispense the greatest coach in Ohio State history for a 'shoulda done more, even though there was no charges brought against his assistant coach'. Count me on the side of giving our coach the benefit of the doubt and unwilling to participate in this public lynching. Expect perhaps, some disciplinary measures to be invoked for procedural indiscretions. Urban sent one of his goons to Zach's wife and urged her to not press charges. Texts from Shelley Meyer that she was afraid of Zach. But Urban was totally in the dark. It is hilarious what you sycophants will believe. Nepotism FAIL at it's finest. There was zero evidence to suggest Urban, personally sent any 'goon' to talk to Zach's wife. I'm sick of all those quick to trash Urban Meyers long standing reputation of honesty and integrity. I don't think anything has changed, he's been a great man and is a great man today.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 2, 2018 12:00:31 GMT -5
sportsjock i didn't think my opinion of you could get any lower but you dropped the bar again congrats? and Brett didn't "reluctantly admit" anything, Courteney herself says she doesn't know if Shelley told Urban, no one does... ...except that they portray Shelley as an unofficial "assistant coach" who is in Urban's backpocket with everything, except this, apparently...if you believe that sort of thing Quite frankly, my existence and status on this great planet is not contingent on your opinion of me.....nice try. I don't think Shelly is in anyone's back pocket....lol I think everyone needs to slow down, take a deep breath, cut the public lynching mindset and let the university investigation come to their final conclusion. We all have our opinions how that is going to end. My faith in Urban doing the right thing, as he ultimately did, will bear itself out in the final analysis.
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Post by whippet4life on Aug 2, 2018 12:41:36 GMT -5
sportsjock i didn't think my opinion of you could get any lower but you dropped the bar again congrats? and Brett didn't "reluctantly admit" anything, Courteney herself says she doesn't know if Shelley told Urban, no one does... ...except that they portray Shelley as an unofficial "assistant coach" who is in Urban's backpocket with everything, except this, apparently...if you believe that sort of thing Quite frankly, my existence and status on this great planet is not contingent on your opinion of me.....nice try. I don't think Shelly is in anyone's back pocket....lol I think everyone needs to slow down, take a deep breath, cut the public lynching mindset and let the university investigation come to their final conclusion. We all have our opinions how that is going to end. My faith in Urban doing the right thing, as he ultimately did, will bear itself out in the final analysis. Perhaps Urban's wife kept it to herself. There are times where people confide in one another and are looking for a person they can trust. If she told his wife that she should tell Urban because she was afraid for her life and she did in fact tell him, they will probably fire him. I would hate to see him fall for someone else's issues. Reminds me of the show "what would you do?"
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Post by galion on Aug 2, 2018 12:51:05 GMT -5
Urban sent one of his goons to Zach's wife and urged her to not press charges. Texts from Shelley Meyer that she was afraid of Zach. But Urban was totally in the dark. It is hilarious what you sycophants will believe. Nepotism FAIL at it's finest. There was zero evidence to suggest Urban, personally sent any 'goon' to talk to Zach's wife. I'm sick of all those quick to trash Urban Meyers long standing reputation of honesty and integrity. I don't think anything has changed, he's been a great man and is a great man today. Honesty and integrity? I have 2 words for you "Aaron Hernandez"
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 2, 2018 13:02:54 GMT -5
Urban sent one of his goons to Zach's wife and urged her to not press charges. Texts from Shelley Meyer that she was afraid of Zach. But Urban was totally in the dark. It is hilarious what you sycophants will believe. Nepotism FAIL at it's finest. There was zero evidence to suggest Urban, personally sent any 'goon' to talk to Zach's wife.I'm sick of all those quick to trash Urban Meyers long standing reputation of honesty and integrity. I don't think anything has changed, he's been a great man and is a great man today. Good lord you are dense. Are you even following this story? Pulled the following off ESPN: This was also discussed on 97.1 yesterday in great detail. Get your head out of the sand man. Earle Bruce also begged her not to press charges.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 2, 2018 13:04:36 GMT -5
if you believe Hiram knew Courtney was being knocked around but didn't relay this info to Urban then i just have to lol at you, Pollyanna thinks your are naive
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Post by cbus on Aug 2, 2018 13:12:30 GMT -5
Everyone has an agenda. Courtney wants to sue OSU. Zach wants a wrongful termination lawsuit. OSU has to be careful they don’t repeat the Rick O’Brien situation with Urban. I assume a Title IX violation is cause for termination. Even if he stays I wonder if his recruiting will suffer (a lot).
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Post by galion on Aug 2, 2018 14:14:34 GMT -5
I don't believe this would qualify as a Title IX issue as the victim of the abuse was not a student or employee at the school.
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Post by Birdman on Aug 2, 2018 14:15:22 GMT -5
I guess at the end of the day you have to wonder, why?
Why did the coach feel the need to put his hands on his lady, why didn't the lady call the police, file charges, and petition for a CPO? Why is Urban the guy who knew but did nothing about it? Why is there so much gray area in this whole situation, it could fall 7 different way? Why does TTUN still suck worse than the entire continent of Antarctica? Why, Why, Why....
At the end of the day if he knew and did nothing about, I guess the public, because that's the only body that matter (bullshit) need to know why. Is it worth firing the guy? I don't ever like to ask the question, but being in the profession of seeing DV, I have to ask myself what is the full dynamic of the relationship. Not saying there is ever excusable reason or justification for physical or emotional abuse, but that is going be a huge aspect of this as well. Also how is the media twisting and turning this, how bad is it really. We have more questions than answers right now people.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 2, 2018 14:45:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 14:56:44 GMT -5
Urban’s loyalty to his coaches and players is going to be his downfall.
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Post by galion on Aug 2, 2018 15:12:09 GMT -5
Which in this case is even more alarming considering he has daughters.
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Post by cbus on Aug 2, 2018 16:02:13 GMT -5
So is lying on Media Day a fireable offense? I wonder what clause in his contract covers confronting an assistant coach but doing nothing because of, the moment, unknown reasons?
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Post by cbus on Aug 2, 2018 16:04:46 GMT -5
I don't believe this would qualify as a Title IX issue as the victim of the abuse was not a student or employee at the school. The radio guys in Cbus keep referencing Title IX??
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Post by heresjim on Aug 2, 2018 16:25:15 GMT -5
m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2042031732487547&id=823615204329212&set=pcb.2042037522486968&source=48&refid=13&__tn__=%2B%3DTake a look of these images. Above This text is particularly telling. (They don't prove Urban knew about the 2015 incident, but you could infer pretty heavily.) In case you can't read: Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)” Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everything” Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than that” Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to think” Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya know” Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urb” Anyways, back to the facts. You have the 2009 incident where Zach Smith slams his pregnant wife against the wall. She planned to press charges, but she was dissuaded by her Husband's father and Urban's guys (One being Hiram). “He said ‘if you don’t drop the charges, Zach will never coach again,’ ” Courtney said. “ ‘He’s never hit you before. He was drinking. He’ll probably never do it again. You should think about giving him a second chance.’ She gave him a second chance. Urban Meyer knew about this incident, but due to how things shook out, nothing happened. No problem at this point. Zach Smith would later continue a pattern of violence. In 2015 she had called 911 on him several times, and was reported as "fearing for her own well being". She never followed through with the calls. “I hung up out of fear because I was scared Zach would lose his job. He threw me down on the bathroom floor (in April 2015) and screamed ‘look what you’ve turned me into.’ I don’t know what he was on. Another time, he took the top of a dip can and cut my hand. Everyone – all my family – said don’t call 911. If you do, he’ll get fired.” She tried getting restraining orders with no avail (courts wanted proof of immediate danger to her life). She is being pressured by her people on all sides to not report incidents and she is becoming more scared about the pressing charges due to the danger it poses to her. Domestic abuse is all about controlling the victim and it was successful in this regard. The fact that she was able to divorce him shows that she didn't lack resolve, and all her other attempts to end to fight Zach were thwarted by how Ohio court systems work and her fear for her life. Where Urban Meyer gets in trouble is with the texts above. Shelley, without a shadow of a doubt, knew about the abuses and stated that "he (being Urban) doesn't know what to think" when discussing the issue with Lindsey. There is no direct evidence proving that Urban knew about this, but you can infer that he did. It was reported that all the other coaches and their wives knew about it, so I find it hard to believe that Urban didn't know. 2018 rolls around when and Zach Smith is charged with criminal trespassing, Lindsey files a domestic civil order against him and Zach gets canned. Urban Meyer is reported to saying he had no knowledge of a previous alleged domestic violence incident in 2015 and this fall out begins. The texts suggest otherwise. Under his contract it states this: "Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence (Zachcommitted this) and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff(Zach would qualify as this) or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ... For purposes of this Section 4.1 (e), a "known violation" shall mean a violation or allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause is taking place or may have taken place." Now Zach Smith violated intimate violence which covers Domestic Violence. To refer to the Ohio State's policy, pls read this. hr.osu.edu/wp-content/uploads/policy115.pdf"An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy." The case is that Urban Meyer knew of Zach Smith's actions (which are required to be reported) and chose to not act on them. If that is true, then he violated his contract and he could be voided of his money and his job.
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Post by heresjim on Aug 2, 2018 16:47:49 GMT -5
I don't believe this would qualify as a Title IX issue as the victim of the abuse was not a student or employee at the school. "Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence (Zachcommitted this) and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff(Zach would qualify as this) or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ... For purposes of this Section 4.1 (e), a "known violation" shall mean a violation or allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause is taking place or may have taken place." Read more: ncoast.proboards.com/thread/1583/coach-zach-smith-controversy-again?page=2#ixzz5N3lnbMGuDoesn't matter who the victim is. Its just whether the violence involved a staff member (which it did).
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Post by redskinfan04 on Aug 2, 2018 17:03:44 GMT -5
Urban sent one of his goons to Zach's wife and urged her to not press charges. Texts from Shelley Meyer that she was afraid of Zach. But Urban was totally in the dark. It is hilarious what you sycophants will believe. Nepotism FAIL at it's finest. There was zero evidence to suggest Urban, personally sent any 'goon' to talk to Zach's wife. I'm sick of all those quick to trash Urban Meyers long standing reputation of honesty and integrity. I don't think anything has changed, he's been a great man and is a great man today. You are a true believer arn’t you?
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 2, 2018 17:50:46 GMT -5
There was zero evidence to suggest Urban, personally sent any 'goon' to talk to Zach's wife. I'm sick of all those quick to trash Urban Meyers long standing reputation of honesty and integrity. I don't think anything has changed, he's been a great man and is a great man today. You are a true believer arn’t you? You betcha!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 18:21:37 GMT -5
Interesting read Attachments:
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