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Post by baseballdad on Oct 5, 2016 22:02:35 GMT -5
I'll reserve making any predictions about BV until I know who goes out. They obviously lose a lot from last years team. They should have more overall size this year, but it will be a lot of unproven talent. How their younger kids develop and how quickly will determine how good they can be. That, and how quickly and good their leadership develops will make or break their season. Ironically, that would mirror the concerns I had for their football team. The difference between the two though is I would have much more confidence in the basketball staff than the football staff. That's why I would say they'll always be in the mix. That, and as some of you have already said, their student section creates a tremendous home court advantage.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 5, 2016 21:56:08 GMT -5
Cancer sucks.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 5, 2016 21:53:51 GMT -5
I got sent a link on that play... let me say that it looked to me that he grabbed the shoulder pad from the front. I didn't see a cheep shot or a horse collar at all. Sorry See I see a grab of the neck. That's what I'm basing my judgement on. I could be wrong and certainly were not talking HDTV here. I do agree it's not a horse collar by definition but it's still a personal foul in my opinion. Of course my opinion doesn't mean much here.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 5, 2016 21:50:41 GMT -5
It was a very emotional game on both sides. Both teams had an opportunity to win and emotions were high on both sides at the end. Harding was understandably very disappointed and BV was understandably very high after the game. As the game ended the BV students gathered on the sideline as has somewhat become tradition on senior night. As the beginnings of the handshake line started to peel off the BV players headed for the students who moved on onto the field to meet them. The problem was not all of the Harding players had cleared the area. Just due to numbers of people in a small area there was some bumping that turned into some pushing and shoving. It was a bad situation that honestly could have been worse but thankfully wasn't. There was fault to be found on both sides and as I've already said I mostly blame the BV administrators for not having a tighter control. I was told the administrators talked the next Monday and both sides were satisfied that while things could have been handled better, it was not due to malice or a purposeful intent to incite anything. Imo, it was just a product of the high emotions of the night.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 5, 2016 13:26:05 GMT -5
Is the play in question the next to last play of the video? If so I would say it wasn't a horse collar, but it was definitely a tackle by the neck. Not sure of the NFHS rule here, but that is absolutely a penalty in higher levels of football for contact to the head or neck. Whether it should have been called a penalty or not, I'm calling it a dirty play by what seems like a good kid. Did he mean to tackle Spaulding like that-don't know. He clearly had plenty of opportunity to not grab high in that situation though. I would also compare it to the play shown about the 55 second mark. Looks like BV was flagged for a horse collar on Pugh, and that tackle didn't look nearly as bad as the one on Spaulding. I can kind of understand why the BV coaches were upset about it at least.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 5, 2016 8:19:45 GMT -5
Cardington Centerburg Mount Gilead River Valley Marion Harding North Union Highland Pleasant
Canton McKinley Bishop Hartley Wheelersburg Patrick Henry Genoa Area
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 4, 2016 8:12:02 GMT -5
Every school has them unfortunately. I see it a lot in other sports too. Most people would be astounded at the number of rules they think they know and actually don't. I honestly don't have a dog in the hunt as far as the football team goes. My kid goes to BV but doesn't play so most of the time I'm just a casual observer. I do take some offense at some of the shots at BV as a school and a community because it's a good place on both accounts. We have no more bad apples than any other place. If the assistant you're referring to is the one I'm thinking it is, I totally agree the man has no place coaching youth of any kind. Again, I missed the game so I'll reserve judgement, but there are some things I'll pay more attention to going forward. Honestly, I think my preseason assessment of BV was pretty spot on. My biggest concern was leadership and discipline and both have been an issue.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 4, 2016 7:46:42 GMT -5
Been in many stadiums better but the Harding location is a very good one for playoffs. Judging from the JV game this past week, I disagree. I don't think vehicle access is that great and parking was a pain. Even for the JV game I had to park in the school parking lot and walk all of the way around to the front gate (which I admit would have been better if the visitor side gate/ticket booth would have been open). The stadium (stands) itself are pretty good though. Probably never happen anytime soon, but if Harding ever built a stadium at the new high school location it would be perfect. Right off of 23 at the interchange with 309. Easy in/out access. Modern construction and probably field turf as well.Harding folks correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't there something with FAA regulations preventing them from building a football stadium at the high school site because of the proximity to the Marion airport? I seem to remember hearing something about that when the new high school opened.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 4, 2016 7:38:17 GMT -5
Fair enough. As I said I wasn't at the game so just going off what I was told.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 21:44:23 GMT -5
Not so fast my friend! Harding is the favorite. Ellis is a sharpshooter and sayre can hit spot 3's all day long. With Pugh going to northwestern early and not playing basketball this winter I think Harding wins this year. Starner, Keller,sayre,Ellis have all been good varsity players since sophomore year. I'm rolling with Harding number 1 then pleasant at 2 then JA at 3 RV 4 North union 5 Galion 6 losing Blair will hurt they have nobody this year I'm not saying they'll win the red but I'd be shocked if BV finishes 7th or 8th. They have been the most consistent team in the red the last 7-8 years.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 21:37:41 GMT -5
I missed the BV-Galion game (and had planned on being gone that weekend for some time) but was really disappointed he wasn't able to play. Hopefully he heals up and is able to go for basketball season. Tell him to keep his head up and keep working.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 20:42:55 GMT -5
GT, hope your boy gets healthy and can finish up strong. Hate to see kids get hurt especially during their senior year.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 20:36:33 GMT -5
Well if you are you haven't learned much in your "years", but I highly doubt it. And werent you "done with this convo". Keep talking though. It's making for good entertainment.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 20:29:46 GMT -5
Go to bed young man. You're up too late.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 20:05:31 GMT -5
Dude, give it up. You really dont have a clue.
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MOAC 2016
Oct 3, 2016 19:55:26 GMT -5
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 19:55:26 GMT -5
Any school could host and be in the playoffs. It's as simple as hosting a Friday game when you play on Saturday or vice versa. The OHSAA just doesn't want a school to host and play on the same night for obvious reasons.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 19:02:02 GMT -5
The OHSAA doesn't like side streets because they can't charge for parking. They want a central lot.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 18:56:59 GMT -5
Btw, just so you know, the OHSAA doesn't "take licenses" for a poorly called game. You'd be more likely to get suspended for wearing the wrong colored jacket. If they did take licenses every time a fan base thought a crew had a bad game, there wouldn't be enough refs in the state to work all the games.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 18:53:56 GMT -5
That's laughable. I would suggest you double check your sources. Refs were no better or worse that night than your average high school crew. Harding killed themselves that night with pre snap and lack of discipline penalties. There were missed calls but no more for one team than the other. Always amazes me how people are so quick to blame the refs and not focus on the mistakes your own team made.
As for the students, that was BV's senior night and it is a tradition for the students to huddle after the game and for the seniors to do a final walk up the field. 100% agree that our administrators should have kept them off the field until the Harding players had cleared the full handshake line. I fault our former AD for that one and he is no longer there. It was a case where emotions were high on both sides. Unfortunate yes, but to try to use that to say BV is a dirty school is just plain out of line.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 18:39:06 GMT -5
I watched a playoff game at Harding about ten years ago. It was big walnut vs Willard. Maybe the year before big nut won their state championship? I agree that it's a good stadium for a game. What will hurt you for anything beyond the second round is parking.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 18:36:07 GMT -5
Seriously? I'll agree the students shouldn't have been on the field and I fault the BV administrators for that but the problems that night were both ways. It was just a recipe for a bad situation. That being said the only swing I saw thrown that night came from a Harding player. And Harding in no way got cheated that night. Not even close.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 16:43:57 GMT -5
You can be bigger and stronger and still get someone by the collar. Just sayin. Like I said I didn't see it so I'm not going to argue with you but people whose opinions I trust gave me a different story.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 14:23:30 GMT -5
I don't know what happened between the coaches, and I wasn't personally at the game (was getting text updates from my son). From what I've heard though, most of the BV folks were fairly upset at what I was told was an obvious horse collar tackle at the end of the game that wasn't called. Perhaps this is what escalated things between the coaches?
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MOAC 2016
Sept 30, 2016 22:07:48 GMT -5
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Post by baseballdad on Sept 30, 2016 22:07:48 GMT -5
JA 28 - BV 20. Closer than I thought it would be.
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Post by baseballdad on Sept 30, 2016 19:49:55 GMT -5
BV and JA tied at 14 in the third. Not at the game but following on Twitter. Sounds like Pugh is killing BV.
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Post by baseballdad on Sept 28, 2016 12:50:55 GMT -5
BV had major issues containing the QB from Johnstown. I would fully expect Pugh to be better. I'll predict JA by 3 scores, and again, nothing would make me happier than to be wrong here.
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Post by baseballdad on Sept 27, 2016 12:43:16 GMT -5
Highland Jonathan Alder Mount Gilead North Union Cardington Marion Harding River Valley Fredericktown
Youngstown Cardinal Mooney Toledo St John Jesuit Smithville Maria Stein Marion Local Newark Catholic
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Post by baseballdad on Sept 24, 2016 22:05:06 GMT -5
I don't expect this game to be close. Hope I'm wrong but I just don't see it.
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Post by baseballdad on Sept 23, 2016 11:12:46 GMT -5
I never want to see a team banged up like Galion is. Even way way back when I was playing, I always wanted to go against the best the other team had to offer. There is no joy for me in seeing a team that is clearly outmatched be crushed by anybody. And I'm with you on the seniors. I feel for them because for 99% of them, their playing careers end when the clock hits 0 in week 10.
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Post by baseballdad on Sept 23, 2016 7:59:06 GMT -5
I didn't mean to imply that JA would run it up. Just that they will have no issue at all with this game IMO. I would be surprised if this isn't a running clock the entire second half. Hopefully Galion surprises us tho.
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