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Post by utsherman on Feb 23, 2018 15:48:23 GMT -5
You can't keep your head buried in the sand and think "It won't happen here". The majority of these counties have the leadership needed to implement practices and policies that would help deter and prevent this from happening now, and not reacting after a shooting occurs. I think it can happen at virtually every school in this country, no matter how prepared they may feel they are. Kingmartinez thinks differently however. His recent post: "You guys don't have to worry about this (staff carrying guns) - it ain't happening in our area. SE/SW Ohio or very rural schools, maybe but not around here." In fairness to Kingmartinez, he corrected his post to state that he doesn't think 'staff carrying guns' will happen around here. Not the actual acts of violence.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 23, 2018 14:54:43 GMT -5
So let's say you "ask" for current administration with a CC to volunteer, and they're willing. What's the process for initiation of that program? What if another teacher isn't comfortable with that approach, knowing that another teacher anonymously carries a firearm in the school? I would assume the whole of the staff would have to sign-off? Is it thrown on the ballet? It now seems as if this is POTUS's big solution to the problem. Oh, and he floated the idea of bonuses for these volunteers as well. Maybe the NRA can cover them? Ask every employee and see the response to current CC holders. So you are implying a teacher would not be comfortable with a co-worker, who holds a CC permit, to carry a firearm but having the school pay out major funds to security firm who would possibly provide a minimum wage stranger with a firearm? It is obvious you are against the NRA so no answer or solution given for this problem will be satisfying for you. I'm not implying anything. I know teachers just as I'm sure you know them. The ones I've talked to don't prefer to have other teachers carrying on campus. And yes, I've also seen the articles and links to those teachers who would like to participate - including those that already do. And, yes, some do prefer to leave it to the professionals. I can't predict if they hire a minimum wage stranger with a firearm. What if they hire a retired police/military veteran with investment in that community instead? I'm simply asking questions per the other posters proposed solutions. You take issue with that? I don't have a funding solution. I would actually prefer that preventative measures be put in place to keep this kind of thing from happening in the first place. You must seem to think that only additional guns can solve this problem considering your bolded reference above - and that's your prerogative. More power to you. In terms of your reference to my being against the NRA, to each their own. And after listening to the folks they trotted up to speak at CPAC yesterday, well, draw your own conclusions.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 23, 2018 10:15:39 GMT -5
So let's say you "ask" for current administration with a CC to volunteer, and they're willing. What's the process for initiation of that program? What if another teacher isn't comfortable with that approach, knowing that another teacher anonymously carries a firearm in the school? I would assume the whole of the staff would have to sign-off? Is it thrown on the ballet? It now seems as if this is POTUS's big solution to the problem. Oh, and he floated the idea of bonuses for these volunteers as well. Maybe the NRA can cover them?
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Post by utsherman on Feb 22, 2018 10:23:04 GMT -5
You think just having a CC is going to be enough to walk around a school system with a loaded weapon? You must be nuts. We call it 'level of trust'. No doubt a particular school district will insist on all phases of tactical response training. What caliber of person are you getting with a minimum wage security guard? A quick training session and issued a uniform and badge, in most cases. So what's your solution if no members of staff have a CC?
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Post by utsherman on Feb 21, 2018 11:13:39 GMT -5
So for those that advocate school employees carrying firearms, I have some questions. Where does the money come from to buy firearms for these teachers? And the ammunition? And the training? How are the trainers compensated? Where does this money come from? How much training is required? And what training? Crisis Response? Active Shooter Response? Close Quarter Combat Tactics? Target Recognition? Knowledge of how to coordinate with law enforcement response without getting in the way? Given most taxpayers won't give money to cover basic supplies, what makes you think they'll be willing to give money for all of this? How much ammunition is rationed to teachers? Can they bring in their own firearms/ammunition? How do we regulate their own firearms/ammunition? Where are the guns stored? How do we prevent children from getting them? If they're in a safe, doesn't that defeat the point? Couldn't that be a life-or-death delay to access them? If they're holstered, what if a teacher's clothing doesn't permit wearing a concealed holster? If they're holstered, what if a teacher doesn't want to open carry? If they're holstered and open carried, how does a teacher ensure that an angry student doesn't take that firearm? And let's not kid ourselves, students will figure out who's carrying. Are teachers allowed to shoot first? Or only after they hear gunfire? How do teachers know who the good guy is, and who the bad guy is? How do we ensure there's no friendly fire? What if the bad guy is surrounded by hostages? Are they expected to engage anyway? What happens if a student is in a hallway between two teachers' rooms? Who shoots? How do they avoid friendly crossfire? What if a perpetrator is only threatening to use a gun? What are the rules of engagement? What about a fight between students? Can teachers escalate? What if one of the students has a knife? Do janitors, administrators, guidance counsellors, etc. all get firearms? Who pays for the lawyer after an incident occurs? What if the firearm was a personal one and not a school-issued one? Is the teacher responsible for their own defense, or does their city/county/state have to pay to defend them? As far as I'm concerned, and in my humble opinion, teachers are in schools to teach. If you want armed people in the schools, then hire them. An already trained police officer has to have roughly 144 hours of additional training to be a School Resource Officer. They also drill and train several times a year. That sounds more along the lines of military or advanced law enforcement training to me, as opposed to just another hat for our teachers to wear. Arming teachers feels like a shortcut. We hire trained professionals to protect our money, property, government buildings, and even our lawyers and politicians. It's time we do the same for our children. Sadly, I just bought a few rubber door stops from Lowes this weekend to place in my children's backpacks. That was a fun conversation to have with a Second grader. So believe me, I'm not attempting to trash ANY ideas that are offered, simply sharing my thoughts. And last but not least, in remembering one of our fallen heroes here in Westerville, Officer Anthony Morelli, he was also a beloved school resource officer at Westerville North. He loved those kids and treated them like his own. So in reference to 'personal conviction and dedication to students', he was an exemplary example. I would first ask if any teachers in your school already have their CC and if so go from there. In reading most of your post you seem to see it as a potential requirement. Nah, I'm just asking questions per the prevailing thoughts on this thread. I don't pretend to outline any specific requirements. If you inferred that from my response, fair enough. I don't advocate for this approach, but for the sake of debate, shared my thoughts and opinions.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 21, 2018 10:29:42 GMT -5
So for those that advocate school employees carrying firearms, I have some questions.
Where does the money come from to buy firearms for these teachers? And the ammunition? And the training? How are the trainers compensated? Where does this money come from? How much training is required? And what training? Crisis Response? Active Shooter Response? Close Quarter Combat Tactics? Target Recognition? Knowledge of how to coordinate with law enforcement response without getting in the way? Given most taxpayers won't give money to cover basic supplies, what makes you think they'll be willing to give money for all of this? How much ammunition is rationed to teachers? Can they bring in their own firearms/ammunition? How do we regulate their own firearms/ammunition? Where are the guns stored? How do we prevent children from getting them? If they're in a safe, doesn't that defeat the point? Couldn't that be a life-or-death delay to access them? If they're holstered, what if a teacher's clothing doesn't permit wearing a concealed holster? If they're holstered, what if a teacher doesn't want to open carry? If they're holstered and open carried, how does a teacher ensure that an angry student doesn't take that firearm? And let's not kid ourselves, students will figure out who's carrying. Are teachers allowed to shoot first? Or only after they hear gunfire? How do teachers know who the good guy is, and who the bad guy is? How do we ensure there's no friendly fire? What if the bad guy is surrounded by hostages? Are they expected to engage anyway? What happens if a student is in a hallway between two teachers' rooms? Who shoots? How do they avoid friendly crossfire? What if a perpetrator is only threatening to use a gun? What are the rules of engagement? What about a fight between students? Can teachers escalate? What if one of the students has a knife? Do janitors, administrators, guidance counsellors, etc. all get firearms? Who pays for the lawyer after an incident occurs? What if the firearm was a personal one and not a school-issued one? Is the teacher responsible for their own defense, or does their city/county/state have to pay to defend them?
As far as I'm concerned, and in my humble opinion, teachers are in schools to teach. If you want armed people in the schools, then hire them. An already trained police officer has to have roughly 144 hours of additional training to be a School Resource Officer. They also drill and train several times a year. That sounds more along the lines of military or advanced law enforcement training to me, as opposed to just another hat for our teachers to wear. Arming teachers feels like a shortcut. We hire trained professionals to protect our money, property, government buildings, and even our lawyers and politicians. It's time we do the same for our children. Sadly, I just bought a few rubber door stops from Lowes this weekend to place in my children's backpacks. That was a fun conversation to have with a Second grader. So believe me, I'm not attempting to trash ANY ideas that are offered, simply sharing my thoughts.
And last but not least, in remembering one of our fallen heroes here in Westerville, Officer Anthony Morelli, he was also a beloved school resource officer at Westerville North. He loved those kids and treated them like his own. So in reference to 'personal conviction and dedication to students', he was an exemplary example.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 17, 2018 21:03:29 GMT -5
Ontario 55 Shelby 52 F. Whippets struggles against Warriors continue.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 16, 2018 21:04:24 GMT -5
Shelby 64 Tiffin Columbian 35 F
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Post by utsherman on Feb 5, 2018 21:10:16 GMT -5
Shelby 76 Willard 58 Final
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Post by utsherman on Feb 5, 2018 21:01:52 GMT -5
Shelby 76 Willard 58 Final
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Post by utsherman on Feb 3, 2018 21:14:07 GMT -5
Shelby 69 Bellevue 62, Final.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 2, 2018 10:11:06 GMT -5
This would definitely be a huge void to fill. I assume this was the reason to bring in Grinch as a potential backfill. I do find Schiano's current situation quite humorous considering the debacle with Tennessee. He'll get a possible chance to coach a dynasty, while watching the UT dumpster fire continue to underachieve and pander to the likes of Clay Travis and his white-hot Twitter takes.
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Post by utsherman on Feb 1, 2018 21:47:32 GMT -5
Shelby 63 Wynford 27, Final
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Post by utsherman on Jan 24, 2018 15:45:55 GMT -5
I suppose throwing that extra money at Day to relinquish the 'Co' from Coordinator didn't leave enough to entice Coombs to remain.
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Post by utsherman on Jan 24, 2018 14:20:12 GMT -5
Coombs will be a painful loss to the Titans. In addition to energy and development of top-flight DB's, his impact to recruiting can't be understated.
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Post by utsherman on Jan 19, 2018 21:27:29 GMT -5
Perkins 64 Bellevue 51, F
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Post by utsherman on Jan 10, 2018 12:46:54 GMT -5
Really? The 'Snowflake' rebuttal? <sigh> This is such an astute observation. I'm surprised it wasn't followed with a "back in my day" reference. I get that the point of these forums is for fan conjecture, and the like. But I enjoy the premise that random guy/girl thinks he or she really 'knows' these players and coaches. Of course any family members who may frequent these chats are excluded. I don't pretend to know or peddle crap I hear from some dude who knows the coach, or some other players third uncle. If we could speak in facts, that would be nice. But I'm guessing we don't have all of those, especially on a Sports Talk page. A lot of "sounds to me" or "I'm guessing" or "maybe", etc. on here. I suppose that's to be taken as Gospel. Awesome.
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Post by utsherman on Jan 6, 2018 21:01:50 GMT -5
Clyde 86 Bellevue 53, Final.
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Post by utsherman on Jan 6, 2018 21:00:10 GMT -5
Shelby 59 Tiffin 32, Final.
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Post by utsherman on Jan 4, 2018 21:26:11 GMT -5
Shelby 42, Norwalk 31 Final
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Post by utsherman on Dec 30, 2017 21:23:21 GMT -5
Shelby 70, River Valley 55, Final.
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Post by utsherman on Dec 8, 2017 17:27:29 GMT -5
I believe the Shelby kids still walk, or they have as recently as the last couple years. I walked back in the day. It's a nice tradition, although we often caught the 'L' against Willard during my high school stretch. I don't remember the Willard students walking to Shelby though.
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Post by utsherman on Nov 30, 2017 12:36:08 GMT -5
Not to my knowledge. He has some offers though. I know Cincinnati has been high on the list. Toledo and Iowa have been recruiting him as well.
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Post by utsherman on Nov 28, 2017 10:29:39 GMT -5
I heard Carter Brooks is playing this year for Shelby. Should give them some added length and athleticism. Never a bad thing to add a D1-level athlete and All-Ohio performer to the mix.
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Post by utsherman on Nov 28, 2017 10:14:13 GMT -5
Austin Parrigan for Shelby also got honorable mention o-line. Thanks for the clarification. I thought it looked funny on the OHSAA site, as they have him listed as being from 'Bellville Clear Fork'. I didn't assume they had a dude with the same name on their roster.
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Post by utsherman on Nov 27, 2017 17:01:15 GMT -5
SBC Honorees:
First Team Offense:
Backs: Sam Stoll, Milan Edison, 6-1, 190, Sr.
Receivers: Brady Patterson, Milan Edison, 5-10, 150, Sr.
Lineman: Logan Collins, Milan Edison, 6-0, 230, Sr.
Honorable Mention: Hunter Lacer, Oak Harbor, 6-2, 265, Sr.; James Hill, Milan Edison, 6-4, 160, Sr.
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Post by utsherman on Nov 27, 2017 16:49:14 GMT -5
SBC Honorees:
First Team Offense:
Quarterback: Brennan Armstrong, Shelby, 6-2, 210, Sr.
Receivers: Dakota McPeak, Bellevue, 6-3, 172, Jr.; Carter Brooks, Shelby 6-3, 218, Sr.
First Team Defense:
Backs: Brady Hill, Shelby, 5-9, 155, Sr.; Bryce McMurray, Bellevue, 511, 175, Sr.
Second Team Offense:
Backs: Devon Brooks, Shelby, 5-8, 175, Sr.
Lineman: Hayden Vent, Shelby, 6-1, 275, Sr.
Second Team Defense:
Lineman: Tyler Bath, Vermilion, 5-11, 230,Sr.
Linebackers: Trevor Boyd, Vermilion, 5-10, 185, Sr.
Backs: Seth Hurd, Vermilion, 6-1, 170, Jr.
Third Team Offense:
Receivers: Jonah Pfeil, Vermilion, 6-0, 175, Jr.
Honorable Mention: Brock Beier, Bellevue, 5-11, 235, Sr.; Tim Paradiso, Port Clinton, 6-2, 170, Sr.; Uriah Schwemley, Shelby, 6-3, 206, Jr.
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Post by utsherman on Nov 21, 2017 9:56:55 GMT -5
He was on a recent podcast via Richland Source where I believe he mentioned pursuing only football collegiately. He will graduate next month in order to enroll early for Spring Football. Well, at least that was the plan for Minnesota. That's still the plan - graduate early and no baseball. Hope this isn't a distraction this week for him or Shelby. Need to focus on the Big Red and that's it IMO. Agreed. They had enough off-field distractions to start the season. I'm hoping that since he has 'shut down' his recruitment, the laser-focus is on the Big Red. I'm sure it will be, as they know what's at stake. Friday can't get here quick enough!
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Post by utsherman on Nov 20, 2017 15:45:14 GMT -5
He was on a recent podcast via Richland Source where I believe he mentioned pursuing only football collegiately. He will graduate next month in order to enroll early for Spring Football. Well, at least that was the plan for Minnesota.
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Post by utsherman on Nov 20, 2017 12:01:12 GMT -5
He opened his recruitment a few weeks ago. I think Fleck was possibly flirting with some other QB's, and Armstrong was a strong Virginia lean early on.
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