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Post by lozenger4 on Apr 15, 2020 21:53:41 GMT -5
My guess is parents and/or politics. He didn’t have much to work with from what it seemed, but did get a tournament win this year.
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Post by lozenger4 on Nov 20, 2019 10:42:10 GMT -5
I’d think Centerburg would have a strong chance to win the conference this year. They were solid last year and return nearly everyone. Jones I would think is the best player in the conference too.
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Post by lozenger4 on Mar 3, 2019 13:19:37 GMT -5
Congrats on the win for sure. This team returned 3 starters from last season and two of the top three scorers. Most coaches love when that happens. I understand what you are saying but for ontario to turn their season around takes great coaching and players buying into what said coach needs them to do to be sucessfull. You don’t see that much anymore in this day and age. I'm sure Dude understands that and is just messing with WF, who could make Dude look bad by just ignoring him.
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Post by lozenger4 on Mar 2, 2019 21:31:58 GMT -5
Tournament showing go about as expected?
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Post by lozenger4 on Feb 14, 2019 8:36:14 GMT -5
Don't see many wins in there unfortunately.
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Post by lozenger4 on Feb 5, 2019 10:02:21 GMT -5
I know St. Marys has the best record in this district. But I feel like they don’t deserve the 1 seed. 3 teams at 13-3 right now. SC has 3 games this week so they could be 16-3 going in, CC could be 15-3. St marys could be 15-3 as well that saturday matchup with St Paul will be big for seeding I'm not sure how it is everywhere, but in the Central District records are due Friday morning and seeds are due Saturday morning. Maybe they do it differently north of Columbus, but if not that Saturday matchup could still influence which half of the bracket teams could try to avoid.
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Post by lozenger4 on Jan 31, 2019 8:31:46 GMT -5
As it's been mentioned, some states play 30-40 games. Many teams from those states play multiple out-of-state tournaments and can even play two games in one day. I wouldn't want to play 5 games in 4 days, but going to 22 isn't a big deal to me.
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Post by lozenger4 on Jan 14, 2019 10:57:00 GMT -5
Coaches don't "run kids off". Unless you mean they work them harder than they want to be worked. Kids are smarter then they were a few decades ago. Kids have more interests than they did a few decades ago. Kids don't work as hard as the did a few decades ago. Kids today want instant gratification These days kids cut themselves. They can see the talent ahead of them. They`re smart enough to know what it will take to get better than those ahead of him. They don't want to work that hard, there are other things they would rather do. Mommy tells him he should be on the varsity as a sophomore, cause sophomore Jimmy down tthe street is, so she discourages him. He cuts himself, it is easier Agree with most of this. Let's not generalize and say kids don't work as hard as they did a few years ago. Maybe some kids yes, but the best players are always going to have the same drive and work ethic. And sometimes it's a matter of options. Maybe a kid really likes another sport or activity and just plays basketball because it's something his friends do. If you're the 15th man on an 8th grade team that isn't passionate about basketball, I don't blame you for wanting to do something else. A 13th man on JV who doesn't isn't passionate about basketball shouldn't be punished for not wanting to put in a ton of work for 10 months of the year only to ride the bench all season, especially if they are on a good team with returning players. Now if they really like basketball and aren't putting that time to good use in another area of their life then yes, they shouldn't be quitting to take the easy way out. But if someone would rather be putting their time to another productive activity then I can't blame them.
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Post by lozenger4 on Dec 5, 2018 14:27:01 GMT -5
London did get beat pretty good by BV. It's worth noting that London has two players who recently went on recruiting visits to Ohio State. One was out and the other was playing injured (finished with 4 points). Still a good win though!
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Post by lozenger4 on Nov 30, 2018 11:48:43 GMT -5
Certainly discouraging from an athletics standpoint for regular sized schools. I've seen small private schools do this for boys and girls, but usually public schools don't have this issue.
It's gotta be double difficult if someone gets sick or hurt right before the game and they have to cancel altogether at the last minute. This is probably part of the reason there is a proposal to up the quarter limit to 6 per day instead of 5.
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Post by lozenger4 on Nov 5, 2018 10:22:51 GMT -5
Willard Fillmore is totally correct about the rules and how Ontario treats their summers. I also definitely believe Dude in that he's never seen refs on the floor. Many schools like Ontario use some of their 10 Junes/July instructional days for informal scrimmages. I remember these from when I played back in the day. They are set up like open gyms with no referees or score/time being kept (and might even be referred to by schools as open gyms), but other teams are invited and coaches provide instruction. Heck, WMFD had a video over the summer where they showed up to an Ontario open gym multi-team scrimmage and Balogh said that he likes using these summer instruction periods to coach in live situations. Coaches often stop play in the middle of the action and instruct on the fly. I fondly remember Balogh stopping play and yelling at me for "stupid hustle" in the middle of the action front of both teams (he would soon learn that I was just really slow ). In this regard, we're all talking about the same activity but calling it a different thing (WF calling it a "scrimmage" and others calling it an "open gym"). I suppose it could be referred to as an instructional open gym or an informal scrimmage, but either way it counts as one of the 10 instructional days in the summer. These instructional open gyms/informal scrimmages in the summer allow the coaches to invite who they want, make subs, and instruct while not having to pay for refs. Outside of the 10 June/July instructional days (and the no-contact periods), every team has their own open gyms, especially in the fall. Coaches still need to schedule them but nobody is turned away. Sometimes coaches invite other schools to walk in and play. I remember playing at/with Lucas, Bucyrus, Buckeye Central, Shelby, Mansfield Sr, Clear Fork, and all over NC Ohio in the fall. Sometimes we would go to opposing schools and sometimes they would come to us. We would have them on our schedule but were responsible for driving ourselves to the other schools (no school buses since it wasn't an official school activity, just a place to play with the doors open). Coaches would set up regular open gyms that were not mandatory and anyone could come. They would simply inform other coaches, "Hey, we're having an open gym at this time if you wanted to let your guys know." To clarify, no rules are broken. Technically we could have played with anyone there on any team, but we didn't want to play with guys from other schools so we just kept to our own team. I think a couple times Crestline was short on players and had guys play with us, but usually most teams just played with themselves. Either way, nobody was restricting us and everyone was invited. So to go through the checklist of what schools do in these open gyms with other schools: 1) They are defined as "Unstructured Free Play." - Yep. Players set up how long games go for, call their own fouls, and track the scoring themselves.2) A coach can be there, but can't "coach." - Yep. Coaches don't coach, they just watch (or participate). 3) Open the door to the school and open the door to the gym. - That's all that is happening. There isn't anyone turning people away. I've seen alumni and junior high kids play before.4) ALL players that come to the open gym, choose up sides and "play basketball."
- This is what happens. No coach is telling players who to play with or making substitutions, players do this on their own. Nobody is being turned away.5) Teams cannot be selected ahead of time. - And they aren't. Nobody is saying you couldn't walk across the gym and play with another school. But why would someone want to do that?6) They can not be a mechanism to disguise a scrimmage or contest with another school.
- And they aren't. With no coaching, refs, clock, plays being called, coach substitutions, spectator cost, concessions, etc. it is far from a formal contest.7) Participation can not be limited by school. - It isn't limited. If a player wants to know when there is an open gym, they need just ask their coach. I remember occasional students would come to open gyms who didn't even play basketball, including team managers.8) Attendance can not be mandatory. - It shouldn't be, although I can't speak for every team. It might affect the perception of that player by his coach, but the coach can't make him run or cut him because he didn't show up to open gyms.Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse. If I'm wrong feel free to point it out, but from what I recall and from what I've been able to find this is a very common occurrence from every school.
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Post by lozenger4 on Nov 1, 2018 10:14:09 GMT -5
Every team has joint open gyms. Coaches don't coach but they can watch. Ontario has them all the time with other teams, just like everyone else.
And technically I suppose that anyone could suit up for anyone else. It's just a generally accepted thing and has been for years.
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Post by lozenger4 on Oct 29, 2018 8:27:23 GMT -5
I have also calculated the totals of what every team has returning such as Pleasant returns 77% or 1026 of last season's points. I did that for scoring, rebounding, assists, and the total FG% of returning players. Is that something people would want me to post? If so do you want them sorted by % or total pts/reb/ast? If it's not too much trouble, I find that stuff interesting. However you'd like to sort it works for me!
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Post by lozenger4 on Aug 30, 2018 7:33:14 GMT -5
Yup, just what gt1975 said. I'll second his statement that the only coach activity allowed during the no-contact period is weightlifting/conditioning and that's because some schools were being punished since they didn't have a weight room coordinator.
The basic schedule, which is pretty well hammered home by OHSAA from what I understand, is:
1) First Friday of November - final tournament game (February/March): No restrictions. 2) First 28 days after last tournament game: No-contact period. 3) Remainder of April-May: Open gyms are allowed (no coaching or instruction when more than 4 players are present) 4) June-July: Open gyms are allowed, as well as 10 days for instruction, practices, scrimmages, team camps, etc. 5) August: No-contact period. 6) September-day before season starts: Open gyms/4-man workouts are allowed.
Why would there be separate open gym period if the no contact period meant the same thing? A simple Google search spelled out the rules pretty clearly in a ton of memos from OHSAA to coaches and added the purpose of the no-contact period. I can't imagine a coach not understanding the guidelines unless they were trying to bend the rules to their favor:
"The purpose of the “No-Contact Period” is essentially 2-fold: 1. Give the kids a break! The basketball season is one of the longest of sport seasons and mentally and physically players should get a necessary break. 2. To permit the next sport season to begin without undue influence on basketball players prohibiting them from participating in a spring sport."
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Post by lozenger4 on Jul 19, 2018 8:04:18 GMT -5
Goodness gracious this is painful. Can't you guys just say, "I see what you're getting at" and move on?
Nobody starts the same 5 guys every game. Sometimes better players come off the bench for floor balance. The 5 players the coach trusts the most usually finish close games. No need to get nasty about it. Yikes.
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Post by lozenger4 on Jun 24, 2018 9:10:53 GMT -5
Galion played at the Findlay camp last week and went 5-4. They played D3 and D4 schools and one D2 B team. They went to this camp last year, almost same record I think. Shelby played at the Findlay camp earlier this week and went 9-0 and won the tournament. They played mostly D2 and D3 teams, 2 D1 teams. The important part is was the competition any good. F.U. runs more than one team camp and some are stronger than others. Is going 5-4 in a strong camp better then 9-0 in a weak one? I think so. For awareness purposes it's U.F. not F.U. lol. Although that would be amazing. And your point is correct about the competition. A quick check of Findlay's website shows the teams that they played and how they did. GT 1975 pointed out the competition levels pretty well. Findlay isn't usually the most elite camp but it's big, so I believe there are multiple levels of competition that teams can choose from (like "upper" and "lower" varsity). It's summer and teams are missing players/not practiced/not prepped for game situations. But still, Shelby beat Northmor 49-14 and won the varsity "Gold" tournament by 12 over Big Walnut. That's a positive sign for them! Only played two close games too. Galion's games at the Findlay camp were all close, which is good for experience. They played teams ranging from bad D1 to good D4. Not sure what level they chose because the tournament results were never posted from their camp, but playing 9 close games couldn't hurt.
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Post by lozenger4 on Feb 12, 2018 14:01:14 GMT -5
Hilliard bradley going to mop the floor with harding. That team is very good. Harding will be lucky to get 30 points. Other than Pleasant, no favorites from the MOAC. Maybe Ontario or Clear Fork could grab a win, but otherwise it looks like this conference will be done early.
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Post by lozenger4 on Jan 24, 2018 7:47:02 GMT -5
Northmor 69 Galion 65 Final Galion had a 1 point lead with about 30 seconds left and just couldn't hang on. Northmor did not impress me at all. They're really tall but I don't think they're as good as they think they are. I don't know about the competition they'll play in the tournament but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't make it out of districts. I don't think they could win the MOAC. Beat Pleasant by 1 in the first game of the season. Maybe they were just looking past Galion but I wasn't impressed. They won't. Central District D3 is one of the most difficult in the state. Bishop Ready (#1 in AP Poll) and Harvest Prep (#2 in AP Poll) were both undefeated coming into this week. Ready just lost their first game at Wellington, who has made the State Final 4 the last two years in D4 and is the only team to come within 10 points of beating Harvest Prep all season. Not to mention Africentric, who plays in the Columbus City League against D1s and D2s all the time. Throw in other traditionally tough schools like Newark Catholic and Worthington Christian and it wouldn't surprise me if Northmor didn't even make District Finals.
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Post by lozenger4 on Nov 10, 2017 7:28:35 GMT -5
Galion's scrimmage schedule: 11/14- Bellevue and Lexington 11/15- Willard 11/18- Ridgedale They had a scrimmage on 11/11 with Wynford that was cancelled. I've heard that Galion's numbers are down right now. They have just 6 or 7 freshman (4 out of 5 starters from last year aren't playing) and a couple of their top JV players from last year aren't playing this year. They also had a couple of their top Varsity players almost didn't play either. I heard most aren't playing because of coaching but some aren't playing for other reasons. From the sounds of what you're describing, this could be a brutal year for Galion. As a cautionary warning, don't get too excited about that Ridgedale scrimmage if things go well. Ridgedale was a bottom 3 seed in the D4 Central District tournament last year and lost their only two good players to graduation. Their coach left so the returning players will be learning a new system as well. Still, that's a good final one to build momentum for the season.
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Post by lozenger4 on Oct 13, 2017 8:37:59 GMT -5
I have no say in this situation. I sit in the stands and cheer the team on and support the coaches. I have my opinion and when my son ask me how he can get better I tell him to work on his skills, more playing time I say work harder, never take a play off. The point is there has to be one leader in any program and they define the direction of the entire program. I see the girls head coach is following suite and running the youth girls program just like the new coach is with the boys, good stuff. On here, you've had a lot to "say" negative about the previous coach and a lot to "say" positive about the current coach, before seeing him coach in his first varsity game. Your talking about 3rd through 6 graders. For his sake he needs to be concerned about the varsity team. If he can't win NOW, he'll never see any of those elementary kids on a varsity squad. You're going to be disappointed. There is no way a head coach can spend a lot of time with elementary school kids. He must spend 95% of his time with the varsity, for him to have a chance of turning it around. THE #1 way for a head coach to show he's a "leader" and "give direction" is to win at the varsity level. To be fair to Moneyball, I don't think he is insinuating that the coach is spending all of his time developing 5th graders and ignoring the Varsity squad. Especially at this time of year. Now if he stops scouting games or skips practice to watch elementary kids play, then that's an issue, but what has he done wrong at this point?
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Post by lozenger4 on Jul 26, 2017 9:02:14 GMT -5
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Post by lozenger4 on May 16, 2017 11:51:19 GMT -5
The fact that they're D2 might help a little IMO. Sure it won't change the conference, but deeper tournament runs shouldn't be as difficult as in years past.
And even though St. Peter's was a terrific D4 school, I'd have to think that any coach applying from the outside would look at last season's schedule and think twice about taking over a big program that couldn't beat a D4 school.
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Post by lozenger4 on May 5, 2017 10:35:28 GMT -5
From a different message forum:
"The HC position for basketball and the AD position at Mansfield Senior are now open. Senior will be a D2 school in basketball next year and graduated only 1 senior. Go to tygerpride .com for applications."
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Post by lozenger4 on Apr 27, 2017 9:02:44 GMT -5
Willard's looking for a JV, 8th & 7th grade coach. Should be an interesting search that could knock down some wild dominoes in other programs.What does this mean? Do you feel coaches will leave their current jobs to go to Willard? Also, most 7th and 8th grade coaches are either former players or people looking to get into coaching, which means that they usually aren't coaching middle school long-term. I doubt too many people would leave jobs to coach a middle school team unless maybe they wanted to move closer to home. Maybe a freshman or middle school coach would go to a different school to upgrade to JV, but otherwise I'm not sure what effect it would have on other programs.
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Post by lozenger4 on Apr 23, 2017 10:32:39 GMT -5
^ It's kinda hard to tell. They won 4 games last year but had 0 depth and their best player was hurt for most of the season. When he played I believe they went 4-4 or something like that. They hovered around .500 for years before that too, so I'd say that Ridgedale has probably been an average Division 4 program for awhile. I do know that they have been very thin with their depth for the last several years, so I don't know whether that's a result of not having a top-to-bottom program or just not having enough kids, which can be an issue with D4 schools at times. He seemed to do well with what he had FWIW.
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Post by lozenger4 on Feb 28, 2017 13:18:14 GMT -5
Cardington-Lincoln 70 Madison Christian 30 Pirates will host Shekina Christian in round 2. Anyone know anything about them? They lost to Ridgedale if that gives you any indication...Sounds winnable to me.. Definitely a game that they should win. For what it's worth, Ridgedale is a completely different team with their full roster. Ridgedale was only down 3 heading into the 4th quarter at Africentric yesterday. Based on a quick google search, I found an article where it sounds like Shekinah's best player had a knee injury and has been out for awhile. Shouldn't be a problem for Cardington to advance!
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Post by lozenger4 on Feb 24, 2017 12:51:47 GMT -5
That Cardington game must have been a tough one to swallow. What really appeared to be a non-shooting foul with 1.2 seconds left turned into a shooting foul with .6 seconds left. The officials all conferred and but claimed that they didn't see what happened. Still, it was a terrific regular season for the Pirates. Classy move by the coach as well by playing seniors for the first 4 minutes of the first quarter, even though it may have cost them the game.
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Post by lozenger4 on Dec 17, 2016 15:55:30 GMT -5
Based on the scores I've seen in the Dispatch, Mt. Vernon isn't a great team. Kinda surprised Norwalk is only up 4.
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Post by lozenger4 on Dec 17, 2016 15:28:58 GMT -5
Appreciate the updates! Being in Columbus now I'm not able to get to events like this.
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Post by lozenger4 on Dec 8, 2016 9:21:32 GMT -5
With regards to the whole quarter thing, I used to be in the school of thought that it was foolish to take someone out because of foul trouble. Why play someone 20 minutes and let the game get away just so he can finish (as opposed to maybe fouling out but he can play 25+ minutes and the game is closer)? I still lean toward that thought, but over time I've come to be more open-minded. I think there are 2 primary factors and a few secondary ones:
1) Is there a significant drop-off on the bench from the player in early foul trouble? 2) How well does the coach trust the player to play smart?
#2 is probably the most important IMO. The first two branch off into several secondary questions:
- Is the whole offense built around a couple of stars? If the star is in foul trouble, can others pick up the slack or would there be a huge drop-off? - What's the player's role? If he is an aggressive defensive stopper then he may easily pick up another foul, but if he's not relied upon to score then you may as well use him as much as possible. If the team has multiple scorers and the player is a scorer, maybe let him sit for awhile and put him back in to give the other scorers a rest. - What is the game situation? Is the player fatigued from a previous night and the rotation was going to be deeper than usual? Is the game going just fine without needing the player at the moment? - What are the coach's options? Some smaller schools only have 1 or 2 big men. If they're going up against a big team and another foul is likely, maybe take him out and change defenses (press for a bit) to neutralize that disadvantage. - Can you hide him on defense?
I'm sure there are about 100 different reasons for both options, so unless it comes down to a foolish coach thinking he is going by the book and must take his player out to do the right thing because he thinks that's what coaches are supposed to do, I tend to trust the coach in this situation.
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