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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 14, 2018 22:38:14 GMT -5
But Highland was originally in the Red and did just fine their too. They did so well in the Red that they were the dictator that got Divisions up to 7 each, then left with all the smallest schools except for Pleasant. Recruited small East Knox and Danville and created a new league that they're the King of. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 14, 2018 22:44:03 GMT -5
Ontario had huge rivalries with Wynford and C.Crawford. That didn't stop them from being the leaders in throwing them out of the NCC. Not relevant. Says one of the rivals that get's beat most times by the big guy. Who could lead the call for their ejection. A mirror image. |
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Post by pirate80 on May 15, 2018 5:48:05 GMT -5
But Highland was originally in the Red and did just fine their too. They did so well in the Red that they were the dictator that got Divisions up to 7 each, then left with all the smallest schools except for Pleasant. Recruited small East Knox and Danville and created a new league that they're the King of. Look, I know you're new to the MOAC, but in the original Red division Highland dominated in basketball and was quite successful in football. Their division consisted of tiny Elgin, small North Union, larger RV, and much larger BV. Since they moved to the Blue they only dominated in football, nothing else. And in one year of the KMAC they lost to northmor. They were middle of the pack in basketball. They're thus far the king of nothing. MOAC folk had no issue with them leaving until now your league needs someone. They are spurning the MOAC now because it makes zero sense for them to join. Also, they'd be fine in the MOAC. They obviously did just fine Vs the likes of Ontario and RV. Two of the three biggest schools in the upcoming MOAC once BV is gone. Again, I dislike Highland. But the guilt that some of you try to put on them that they should be jumping to join the MOAC is plain laughable. |
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Post by pirate80 on May 15, 2018 5:51:17 GMT -5
Says one of the rivals that get's beat most times by the big guy. Who could lead the call for their ejection. A mirror image. Until this past fifteen year run that Highland has been on, Cardington led the series in football. Highland doesn't dominate in any other sport either. Their other two rivals, Fredericktown and Centerburgs both have just as much football tradition as Highland does. EK is back on the rise to where they should be. Danville has more football tradition than anyone in either league save for Pleasant. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 7:38:00 GMT -5
They did so well in the Red that they were the dictator that got Divisions up to 7 each, then left with all the smallest schools except for Pleasant. Recruited small East Knox and Danville and created a new league that they're the King of. Look, I know you're new to the MOAC, but in the original Red division Highland dominated in basketball and was quite successful in football. Their division consisted of tiny Elgin, small North Union, larger RV, and much larger BV. Since they moved to the Blue they only dominated in football, nothing else. And in one year of the KMAC they lost to northmor. They were middle of the pack in basketball. They're thus far the king of nothing. MOAC folk had no issue with them leaving until now your league needs someone. They are spurning the MOAC now because it makes zero sense for them to join. Also, they'd be fine in the MOAC. They obviously did just fine Vs the likes of Ontario and RV. Two of the three biggest schools in the upcoming MOAC once BV is gone. Again, I dislike Highland. But the guilt that some of you try to put on them that they should be jumping to join the MOAC is plain laughable. Very accurate. Smaller schools do not have issues with larger school league members unless they dominate a major sport and rub it in the members face. This is the reason Harding survives with their size difference and the driving reason behind the NCC imploding. |
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Post by gtab on May 15, 2018 17:17:36 GMT -5
Not sure who you are talking to but I can see Pleasant leaving if there was a better opportunity. I can see "just about anybody" leaving, if there is a better opportunity.  |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 15, 2018 17:59:43 GMT -5
Says one of the rivals that get's beat most times by the big guy. Who could lead the call for their ejection. A mirror image. Until this past fifteen year run that Highland has been on, Cardington led the series in football. Highland doesn't dominate in any other sport either. Their other two rivals, Fredericktown and Centerburgs both have just as much football tradition as Highland does. EK is back on the rise to where they should be. Danville has more football tradition than anyone in either league save for Pleasant. Didn't the past 15 year run coincide with their increase in enrollment? |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 15, 2018 19:00:28 GMT -5
They did so well in the Red that they were the dictator that got Divisions up to 7 each, then left with all the smallest schools except for Pleasant. Recruited small East Knox and Danville and created a new league that they're the King of. Look, I know you're new to the MOAC, but in the original Red division Highland dominated in basketball and was quite successful in football. Their division consisted of tiny Elgin, small North Union, larger RV, and much larger BV. Since they moved to the Blue they only dominated in football, nothing else. And in one year of the KMAC they lost to northmor. They were middle of the pack in basketball. They're thus far the king of nothing. MOAC folk had no issue with them leaving until now your league needs someone. They are spurning the MOAC now because it makes zero sense for them to join. Also, they'd be fine in the MOAC. They obviously did just fine Vs the likes of Ontario and RV. Two of the three biggest schools in the upcoming MOAC once BV is gone. Again, I dislike Highland. But the guilt that some of you try to put on them that they should be jumping to join the MOAC is plain laughable. Highland did just fine this year against an Ontario team that was considerably below average by Balogh standards. The 3 previous years Ontario beat Highland by an average of 20 points. Shelby, RV and Ontario are all about the same size, any of the three could be 2nd to 4th largest in the next count. They're 23 to 27 boys larger than Highland, that is growing as Columbus and Delaware families build in the district to get away from Northern Columbus. Ontario was in MOC, the league that came before the MOAC. All time Ontario is 19-9 vs Highland, 13-3 vs Cardington, 17-2 vs Northmor, 17-2 vs Mt.Gilead, 8-2 vs RV, 41-17 vs Freddies That guilt you speak of, was put on Ontario for several years not only by NCC people, but others outside the NCC, to no avail. Thus, they were kicked out of the NCC. |
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Post by pirate80 on May 15, 2018 20:32:08 GMT -5
The Ontario and Shelby cities are not the same as the villages of Sparta, Marengo and Chesterville.
And regardless, like I said....RIGHT NOW Highland is in a perfect place FOR THEM.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 22:03:16 GMT -5
I agree that Highland had no reason to leave and made the right choice.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 22:04:48 GMT -5
Not sure who you are talking to but I can see Pleasant leaving if there was a better opportunity. I can see "just about anybody" leaving, if there is a better opportunity. Are you implying that all 7 schools could have a better opportunity? I don’t see how that could happen. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 16, 2018 0:02:28 GMT -5
Who knows what will happen in 21st century
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 16, 2018 0:03:57 GMT -5
The Ontario and Shelby cities are not the same as the villages of Sparta, Marengo and Chesterville. And regardless, like I said....RIGHT NOW Highland is in a perfect place FOR THEM. Ontario was a village not long ago, it grew. The area around Sparta and Marengo is growing. It is similar to Buckeye Valley. Yep the KMAC is perfect for Highland. As the MOAC is perfect for Harding. In all honesty, wouldn't it make more sense for Pleasant to be in the KMAC and Highland in the MOAC? Then it would make sense for Lex to be in the MOAC if/when Wooster and West Holmes leaves the OCC. <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 25.539999999999964px; height: 3.5600000000000023px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_85915259" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 25.54px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1215px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_72611202" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 25.54px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1368908" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="25.539999999999964" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 25.54px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1215px; top: 118px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_31214774" scrolling="no"></iframe> Then it follows that Mansfield Senior, Madison and Ashland to the SBC. |
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Post by pirate80 on May 16, 2018 5:40:29 GMT -5
I miss playing Pleasant. But they're fine in the MOAC. Your proposal doesn't make more sense for either Pleasant or Highland. They are both currently where they should be.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 6:55:50 GMT -5
Why would Pleasant look to leave the MOAC? They compete just fine in sports and may have longer drives if they left.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 16, 2018 20:50:54 GMT -5
Then why is Pleasant looking for a "better opportunity".
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 21:42:57 GMT -5
And until Highland begins dominating in sports and upsetting the other teams in the KMAC they have no reason to leave or will be in danger of being kicked out.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 17, 2018 15:30:23 GMT -5
It took just 2 months of the first year in the NCC for Galion and Upper to get kicked out.
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Post by gtab on May 17, 2018 20:30:24 GMT -5
I can see "just about anybody" leaving, if there is a better opportunity. Are you implying that all 7 schools could have a better opportunity? I don’t see how that could happen. I was really just "painting with very broad strokes" when I say that "anyone can leave, if there is a better opportunity". Just generalization, really........ |
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Post by gtab on May 17, 2018 20:31:56 GMT -5
It took just 2 months of the first year in the NCC for Galion and Upper to get kicked out. .....the ramifications of which are still being felt (at least in Galion.........). |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 21:33:15 GMT -5
Don’t believe that gtab. Unfortunately Galion and Upper were collateral damage according to the drivers of the N10 bus.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 18, 2018 17:39:16 GMT -5
Believe it....you lived it.
Right or wrong, everyone except a certain dude, knows that an early season Crestline football game was at least used as an excuse by the Big Three. A certain dude has a uglier disdain than any of the NCC schools.
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Post by ohioraised on May 19, 2018 8:30:34 GMT -5
Coach Rich at Galion during all this told me the smaller schools wanted to separate from Ontario and the divisions were the start but when they saw they could not get to 7 on each side they broke off.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 19, 2018 21:46:57 GMT -5
They gave it two months.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 7:57:58 GMT -5
Coach Rich at Galion during all this told me the smaller schools wanted to separate from Ontario and the divisions were the start but when they saw they could not get to 7 on each side they broke off. A few ADs were trying to get the league to 14 with 7 in a division to separate completely. When that did not happen and a few schools from the MAL came available they went in a different direction forming the N10. |
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Post by stanley on Jul 28, 2018 15:34:52 GMT -5
Highland's growth in numbers is due to surrounding school not being able to run satisfactory special education programs and many of those kids having to transfer to Highland. Wasn't this a complaint a few years back from Highland that they should not be in a higher OHSAA division because of all the special education kids being counted against their student number total? Some how my aging memory thinks it was 10 or so years ago. Not to re-kindle this debate, simply answering the question. Not quite. They never did suggest that they shouldn’t be in a higher division due to the special education students, although the high and continuing to grow at a fast rate of those students transferring is true and is a factor in the numbers growing at Highland and the numbers at surrounding schools shrinking it was never claimed that those numbers shouldn’t count against the division their assigned to. Now you are NOT way out in right field or anything, no worries. 10 or so years ago Highland was having to count the students attending at Tri-State Youth Academy towards their enrollment. This was a complaint and/or argument due to the fact that even if those students had turned things around and had “academically eligible” grades and met the age requirements, they still were not allowed to play any of the sports at Highland despite the school being in the Highland district and OHSAA counting those students when assigning divisions. Since the whole not being allowed to play rule came from Tri-State and was not imposed by OHSAA, it really wasn’t OHSAAs problem so they counted those students anyways. |
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