MOAC 2016

[Willard Fillmore]

Sept 26, 2016 20:09:55 GMT -5 jro said:

Sept 25, 2016 14:20:20 GMT -5 usa70pp said:

I may have posted this earlier, but don't recall. There used to be a joke around Marion that Harding had great teams in junior high but when they got to high school they were too old to play.

No steroids use is at river valley and know details on ankle bracelet nothing he did I assure you that

Is that an example of what is taught in the English classrooms in the Harding school district?

[presnapread]

Sept 27, 2016 12:17:24 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Sept 26, 2016 20:09:55 GMT -5 jro said:

No steroids use is at river valley and know details on ankle bracelet nothing he did I assure you that

Is that an example of what is taught in the English classrooms in the Harding school district?

Reasonable question. Just sayin'

[moacmama]

Presnapred, since you directed your comments to me:

I said the kid obviously needs football. Should he play a game with an ankle bracelet? No. It sends a message to the team that you can go to jail, get out, come to school and play the same week. That doesn't fly in rural communities but I know there is a cultural difference here. And, I understand there are different ways of disciplining athletes for their activities outside of school. Should the coaches keep mentoring him? Absolutely. Obviously the kid has issues and needs the structure. Believe me, I get that concept. For some kids, the coach is the only positive adult role model in their lives. Sit out a game because of your monitoring device and poor choices you make? Yes. We can agree to disagree on that topic. It does not give your team a good rep, either. It's a tough lesson for kids to learn. Tough love. I hope he gets his life together. He's a heck of an athlete and I'd hate to see him continue to go down the wrong path, which is easy to do in Marion at this moment in time. Marion is still a nice community in many ways. I know a lot of great people there. Unfortunately heroin (and deranged clowns, lol) is taking over. Young people need activities, like football. But should be held accountable for actions and learn what guilt by association means. I don't think you will gain a lot of computer points for the playoffs by consistently beating up d5/6 teams-my opinion only-but maybe your admins need to look at other options if football does return to its glory in Marion. Good luck to you the rest of the season.

[jro]

Sept 26, 2016 5:14:07 GMT -5 moacmama said:

I was at the Harding game, two of those cheap shots were out of frustration and out of character for those particular kids and I know coach will address them. We had several kids out with injuries so we were not at full strength as stated above. 9 kids in jeans and a jersey on the sideline. We get two back this week. I said earlier, the injuries are going to kill us. the bigger issue is why a Harding kid is allowed to wear an ankle monitor during the game. Had he not played, MH still wins. Granted it was taped over, but disappointed that OHSAA allowed it, more disappointed MOAC allows it, not sure why Harding allows it, but it is what it is. the soft side of me understands the kid needs football in his life. Question is, is he allowed to leave Marion county to play in Crawford county this week? And why is a D2 school in the MOAC? Still scratching my head on that one, so yes, When you dress 80 kids vs 40 (30 for Fairbanks), and are 3-4 divisions bigger, you should win. Big.

that was very well put you stated your opinion you didn't bash him it is very difficult here to grow up as a teen w peer pressure n negative influences all around you there r not many things to do and I myself fell victim,to this I was a troubled teen n when I lost oppotunity to continue sports it was downhill so I'm def pulling for this young man and am very happy the coaches AD n the judge n whoever else made the decision to allow him to continue to play this could be the only positive thing going for him I hope those around him don't give up on him he is still young n can turn things around

[jro]

Sept 27, 2016 9:12:08 GMT -5 presnapread said:

Sept 25, 2016 14:23:56 GMT -5 moacmama said:

No one said Harding recruited but allowing a kid with an ankle bracelet to play says a lot about that program. Harding has a lot of great athletes and you should be beating D5 and D6 schools.

"Says a lot about that program"

Yes, it certainly does, says a lot about the program and it's coaches that they are willing to reach out and help a kid get his life in order and make contributions to something worthwhile like high school interscholastic athletics. GOOD FOR THEM. While I greatly doubt if you meant your statement the way I directed it, you should. What's wrong with giving a kid a second chance or a third? If a kid is in your school, has achieved all of the OHSAA and individual school districts requirements for participating, what on earth is wrong with not only allowing him to play but encouraging him to do so?

People in here AND in society, forget why interscholastic athletics exist. They are not to win, win, win. Or win with just "good" kids. They are a major part of the educational system. They are here to shape, mold, educate and help develop the youth of a respective community. Anyone who looks at this differently is tremendously mistaken!

When it comes to classifications and divisions, let's look at it from another perspective. Students who are eligible by OHSAA and local district standards. Being tactful and professional I will not mention names, and this IS NOT an MOAC school, but I know of a school in Central Ohio who at the end of a recent 4th nine weeks grading period, 50% of It's student body was academically ineligible to compete in interscholastic athletics. This is just like making a Division 1 or 2 school a Division 3 or 4 school, when you look at the number of "athletes" they have to draw from. Now while it's very true that this is that's school's individual problem and that they (students, parents and teachers) need to do something to remedy this ..... What IF a school like Harding (or other larger MOAC schools) has a similar problem. Honestly, I have no idea, whatsoever, if they do .... But IF they did, they might already, basically, be like a Division 3, 4 or 5 school. Just throwing that out there as a point. Harding is in the MOAC, I don't see them going anywhere. Have some class, welcome them and accept the challenge of competing against them without the constant whining.

I can't figure out how to do this site yet kinda confusing so I have commented on something that I meant to put somewhere else there is no erase option like Facebook lol

[hardingmavman]

Sept 26, 2016 5:14:07 GMT -5 moacmama said:

I was at the Harding game, two of those cheap shots were out of frustration and out of character for those particular kids and I know coach will address them. We had several kids out with injuries so we were not at full strength as stated above. 9 kids in jeans and a jersey on the sideline. We get two back this week. I said earlier, the injuries are going to kill us. the bigger issue is why a Harding kid is allowed to wear an ankle monitor during the game. Had he not played, MH still wins. Granted it was taped over, but disappointed that OHSAA allowed it, more disappointed MOAC allows it, not sure why Harding allows it, but it is what it is. the soft side of me understands the kid needs football in his life. Question is, is he allowed to leave Marion county to play in Crawford county this week? And why is a D2 school in the MOAC? Still scratching my head on that one, so yes, When you dress 80 kids vs 40 (30 for Fairbanks), and are 3-4 divisions bigger, you should win. Big.

I think the only school that has cried the most about Harding in the MOAC is North Union honestly... i saw all the players in jeans couldnt believe how many ppl you had injured its crazy the injuries this year... hope they recover quickly.... But frustration or not if you cant handle getting beat after talking smack about how your going to beat Harding then dont cheap shot....

[hardingmavman]

Sept 26, 2016 5:56:53 GMT -5 galion said:

Sept 26, 2016 5:14:07 GMT -5 moacmama said:

I was at the Harding game, two of those cheap shots were out of frustration and out of character for those particular kids and I know coach will address them. We had several kids out with injuries so we were not at full strength as stated above. 9 kids in jeans and a jersey on the sideline. We get two back this week. I said earlier, the injuries are going to kill us. the bigger issue is why a Harding kid is allowed to wear an ankle monitor during the game. Had he not played, MH still wins. Granted it was taped over, but disappointed that OHSAA allowed it, more disappointed MOAC allows it, not sure why Harding allows it, but it is what it is. the soft side of me understands the kid needs football in his life. Question is, is he allowed to leave Marion county to play in Crawford county this week? And why is a D2 school in the MOAC? Still scratching my head on that one, so yes, When you dress 80 kids vs 40 (30 for Fairbanks), and are 3-4 divisions bigger, you should win. Big.

A lot of questions.  Do you feel that the ankle brace is a safety concern?  Does it somehow give the kid an unfair competitive advantage?  I just don't see what the big deal is.  Obviously, the court allows it so it's clearly not a legal issue.  It's not like he was the one doing the cheapshotting.  Harding is in the MOAC because the MOAC invited them to join, your school included.   Sorry, when they are struggling and you're beating them, no problem, but when they field a team that beats you then all of the sudden you want to whine about their size.   That's bullshit.  Again, they were invited to join they didn't just show up.  

i couldnt have said it better myself.... 

[galiontiger]

I'm just not too impressed with either team (Harding or Union). The best team I've saw so far was JA last week. Not saying Harding couldn't rise up and beat JA. I don't see any team in the MOAC going very far in the playoffs though. We suck, but even JA didn't look like an extremely GREAT team to me. I just wasn't totally impressed with them. Just being honest here...remember I did say we suck this year. LOL

[stanley]

Well considering that region 14 is a pretty dang tough region to make it out of alive I suppose I would agree that JA would have a tough time advancing very far. I don't think there's a whole lot of shame though for any team that simply qualifies for the playoffs in Ohio. It's not exactly an easy thing to do. Region 14 is pretty tough and for starters I'll just mention the school Bishop Hartley. You also got the likes of Port Clinton, Ottawa-Glandorf, etc. With that being said I think it's also quite realistic to think JA could win that region and make a final four appearance. When it comes to advancing past week 11 I suppose we will have to see what teams are playing hot and what teams are healthy in late October to get a better picture of how that will turn out.

[galion]

Outside of Hartley I would favor them to beat any team in that region, although Bellevue might be a toss up. Port Clinton still hasn't played the best 3 teams on their schedule yet. O-G is in the same boat. I'll tell you though, as spread out geographically as this region is I'd certainly want to make sure that I finished top 4 so as not to have a road playoff game in week 11. Can you imagine travelling from JA to Bellevue or PC? That's almost a different time zone.

[presnapread]

Moacmama

I feel we generally agree, for what th's worth ..... Besides, by National Federation and OHSAA Rule I'm not sure a kid can play wearing an ankle monitor. I do not know but would not be surprised if wearing one prohibits you for safety, not legal rules. But if I understand your post correctly, he's allowed to play as long as it's covered. Personally, I don't see the MOAC, or for any conference/league for that matter, putting in a rule which is stronger than the National Federation of OHSAA.

hardingmavman

Not only North Union, but both River Valley and Pleasant raised a major ruckus and for a long time opposed inviting Harding into the MOAC.

[mg]

Kid from MG, Barnett... Over or Under 3000 Yards rushing this year? Right now he's at about 1600 and next 3 games Elgin, East Knox and Northmor, look pretty good in his favor. Right now he is ranked 2nd in the Nation in Rushing Yards, with 1 less game played than the leader.

[presnapread]

MG, MOAC Website says just under 1300, what it doesn't say is Mount Gilead still sucks.

[stanley]

That's a good question MG. I think Barnett is a very good back, with that being said I think the over/under 3,000 question lies within other variables that don't have to do with the kid himself quite so much. So let's say he needs around 1,400 to reach 3,000 that's averaging about 280 a game which he has shown he can do. You have Elgin, EK, Northmor, Centerburg, and Highland left on the schedule. When it comes to the Elgin game if the Indian defense doesn't show up than Barnett will probably run for as many yards as he pleases that night, because Elgin will not keep him out of the end zone, but obviously if Elgin competes offensively than Barnett will not get pulled out swiftly. Let's say MGs D takes care of business than you may see Barnett run for about 100-150 yards that night if they get up quickly and coach decides to preserve his star back. EK will be much more tough of a game than Elgin, but I think MG wins, but again unless Mount Gilead figures out how to play D then that will be a 4 quarter game where you could see the young man rip off high 200, low 300 yards. Northmor? Not sure what to think, they gave up only 14 to Centerburg one Friday night and then 28 to EK in another so I guess I could see that being similar to when MG plays EK. The final two with Centerburg and then Highland I imagine with that being weeks 9 and 10 you will see both of those defenses pretty much forcing MG to throw. Highland gave up quite a few yards on the ground to RV, but basically eliminated Elgin and EKs run game. I imagine MGs line isn't as good as RVs, but not as bad as Elgin and EKs. I think weeks 9 and 10 combined Barnett could potentially run for 300 yards. Other factors can he stay healthy? Can his line stay healthy? Can MG develop a passing game to back defenses off a bit? Will MGs defense show up or will he continue to have to carry the ball for four quarters? I see him ripping off around 950-1,100 yards this second half of the year and just falling shy of 3,000

[mg]

Sept 28, 2016 10:21:29 GMT -5 presnapread said:

MG, MOAC Website says just under 1300, what it doesn't say is Mount Gilead still sucks.

They haven't added last weeks 287 in yet. 

They can't tackle, plain and simple, that's why they can't win

[mg]

Stanley, I'm guessing you don't know MG coach, Starters play every play, up 30 or down 30. So he won't be pulled out if MG scores a lot. I guessing the coach is trying to get his 2nd RB on the 3000 Yard list. Actually he was coach at Johnstown when the States All Time Leading rusher in a season was on the team.

The lack of passing game hurt them in the 4th quarter against Fredericktown, when they finally stopped Barnett and we didn't have an answer to throw.

It was just a question for fun, nothing serious. All the talk about College Scholorships and Ankle Bracelets, figured I would throw something else out there.

[jafbdad]

Sept 27, 2016 22:41:09 GMT -5 stanley said:

Well considering that region 14 is a pretty dang tough region to make it out of alive I suppose I would agree that JA would have a tough time advancing very far. I don't think there's a whole lot of shame though for any team that simply qualifies for the playoffs in Ohio. It's not exactly an easy thing to do. Region 14 is pretty tough and for starters I'll just mention the school Bishop Hartley. You also got the likes of Port Clinton, Ottawa-Glandorf, etc. With that being said I think it's also quite realistic to think JA could win that region and make a final four appearance. When it comes to advancing past week 11 I suppose we will have to see what teams are playing hot and what teams are healthy in late October to get a better picture of how that will turn out.

JA is practically the same team as last year. Defense has improved slightly. I don't think they have taken the next step offensively together as a group. The O-Line is improving after losing all but one starter from last year. Coaching philosophy is conservative at times when they get the lead. Special teams aren't nearly as strong as you expect for a potential playoff team. Traditionally that area has always been stout.

Hartley and Bellevue pose the biggest challenges in Region 14.
Hartley may be better than last year.JA will need to go 10-0 to avoid either team until the Regional final if they are lucky.

The next 2 weeks in the MOAC with BV and MH will be good tests to determine how good this team is and where they need to improve.

[japioneers]

Sept 27, 2016 22:21:06 GMT -5 galiontiger said:

I'm just not too impressed with either team (Harding or Union). The best team I've saw so far was JA last week. Not saying Harding couldn't rise up and beat JA. I don't see any team in the MOAC going very far in the playoffs though. We suck, but even JA didn't look like an extremely GREAT team to me. I just wasn't totally impressed with them. Just being honest here...remember I did say we suck this year. LOL

I respect your opinion on JA.  I believe we have not performed to our ability.  Coaching philosophy is very conservative and the fact when we get up by a bunch, we kinda stop playing with any intensity.  Against Galion, we "played" the first qtr.  After that we just went through the motions.   Hopefully we "fix" our effort to include all four quarters.  If not, we won't make it past the first round of the playoffs.  Our offense is not in sync.  Timing is off and our OLine is a big question mark still.  Offense could be off due to not having much "Game Time".  Its a good thing to get the younger kids experience, but it is also equally important for the starters to work on their timing and such. Thank goodness our defense is stout.  Good luck to you the rest of the season.

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Sept 28, 2016 10:41:19 GMT -5 mg said:

Sept 28, 2016 10:21:29 GMT -5 presnapread said:

MG, MOAC Website says just under 1300, what it doesn't say is Mount Gilead still sucks.

They haven't added last weeks 287 in yet. 

They can't tackle, plain and simple, that's why they can't win

30 carries a game in high school is not common at all. Being the 2nd best rusher in the nation is awesome. But when the team is in the bottom of its conference and has almost no chance of the playoffs records can mean a lot less.

[stanley]

I know who the MG coach is, I didn't realize MG has had so many games since his takeover that they have been up by 30 points in.

[mg]

Sept 28, 2016 14:30:14 GMT -5 stanley said:

I know who the MG coach is, I didn't realize MG has had so many games since his takeover that they have been up by 30 points in.

Only a few.... More down by 30,   Been to them all and Starters never come out

[pirate80]

Sept 28, 2016 14:30:14 GMT -5 stanley said:

I know who the MG coach is, I didn't realize MG has had so many games since his takeover that they have been up by 30 points in.

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[Deleted]

So if MG is down by 30 and the starters never come out. Is this running back getting most of his yards against the opponents back-ups and jv players?

[mg]

Sept 28, 2016 18:21:29 GMT -5 @scooter said:

So if MG is down by 30 and the starters never come out. Is this running back getting most of his yards against the opponents back-ups and jv players?

No not at all, all the games have been close this year. Lost by 20 to Crawford. But they didn't pull away until end. We haven't seen JVs yet this year. All our games have been close.

Only team that came close to holding him down was one of the smallest schools in Ohio. 190 yards. 6 yrds a carry. That's why I have been surprised he just gains yards every week. Think his average is 309 per game

[mg]

I personally don't think he will get 3000. It will be close. I would think the coaches have enough film to know how to stop/contain him. If Ridgemont can slow him down. I would think others from MOAC with more athletes on their team should too! But every week he gets to the outside and he's gone. He's very fast he will be getting scholarships somewhere for track. I was just throwing it out there for opinions

[hardingmavman]

Sept 28, 2016 7:18:23 GMT -5 presnapread said:

Moacmama

I feel we generally agree, for what th's worth ..... Besides, by National Federation and OHSAA Rule I'm not sure a kid can play wearing an ankle monitor. I do not know but would not be surprised if wearing one prohibits you for safety, not legal rules. But if I understand your post correctly, he's allowed to play as long as it's covered. Personally, I don't see the MOAC, or for any conference/league for that matter, putting in a rule which is stronger than the National Federation of OHSAA.

hardingmavman

Not only North Union, but both River Valley and Pleasant raised a major ruckus and for a long time opposed inviting Harding into the MOAC.

i didnt know that about River Valley and Pleasant what was the ruckus about? 

[babymaker]

They didn't want them in the league.

[Deleted]

You can be sure, that Harding was not an independent because they wanted to be. Their previous 2 conferences, the OHC and GBC, when the split every school had a place to go but them. Nobody wanted them in their league. But when one became desperate, an offer was sent and they jumped.

[presnapread]

hardingmavman & babymaker

babymaker has it correct, RV and Pleasant didn't want them in the league. If the truth be known, of the three, RV and Pleasant objected the most and NU the least. NU had a little concern about Harding's size, but from a football perspective they liked the addition because they saw an opportunity for more computer points. RV and Pleasant were both concerned with Harding's size plus had concerns with mixing a "city" school (and the potential problems associated with "city" schools - being tactful here) with a bunch of "rural" schools.

The city of Marion has it's issues. Marion Harding Schools is not one of them. It's a great school district with great professionals (administrators, teachers and coaches) working with great kids helping them to learn, grow and develop each and everyday. People need to quit being so critical and judgemental and accept them in the MOAC.

[Deleted]

When Harding was left behind by the schools of the OHC it had very little, if anything, to do with the city. It was about disagreements.