MOAC 2016

[moacfootballfan]

Oct 7, 2016 21:55:50 GMT -5 4 said:

I think pleasant finishes 8-2 only losses to JA and pleasant which I'm sure that gets them in playoffs. There's 3 or 4 decent teams in moac. JA is the alpha.

Wait, what? Better read that again.

[Deleted]

Who would the 4 decent teams be?

[hardingmavman]

The big thing I didn't like about the Harding game last night was the team just gave up after half and they even scored right before half... Players walking around going woes me.... they just gave up; dropped passes, missed tackles heck I was embarrassed by the freaking fans seemed like they could care less about the game... the team is improving but not quite there yet

[babymaker]

Oct 7, 2016 21:53:20 GMT -5 baseballdad said:

Did you watch BV tonight? Props to Pleasant for taking care of business, but if you think that was any kind of impressive performance, you're nuts. With a few exceptions, BV might as well have stayed on the bus. Kids were walking off the field, arguing in the huddle, very questionable coaching decisions, complete disorganization at times, linemen just getting outright beat on the first step. Does that paint an accurate picture f how bad the barons were tonight? And this was still a game going into the fourth quarter. A good team would have put a team like BV away early tonight not let them stick around. Pleasant may finish up at 9-1 or 8-2 but that is a reflection of the overall weakness of the moac this year rather than them being a really good team.

I will say this Pleasant's line gets off line very explosively. That is not a BV line issue unless everyone else they have played has the same issue.

[4]

I meant Harding up there oops.

[baseballdad]

Babymaker, they had similar issues vs Fairbanks. What does that tell you? Lol. That being said, you are correct in that pleasant does have nice speed on their d-line. Just not as fast as BV was making them appear last night.

[Willard Fillmore]

Oct 8, 2016 7:44:40 GMT -5 @scooter said:

Who would the 4 decent teams be?

Some think 6-4 is "decent".

[4]

I'll call the top 3 decent however it ends. But JA 1 and 2-4 is Harding pleasant bv however it plays out.

[Deleted]

6-4 IS decent to me. I define decent as being above average but below good. But having 4 teams at 6-4 or better. Not impossible but normally you would have to win 2 of the 3 non league games.

[Waterboy]

The surprising score of the night was North Union/Fairbanks. Fairbanks had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to drive and score but QB threw a Int. I will say, I think Fairbanks beats Galion.

[jafbdad]

Oct 9, 2016 8:51:22 GMT -5 Waterboy said:

The surprising score of the night was North Union/Fairbanks. Fairbanks had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to drive and score but QB threw a Int. I will say, I think Fairbanks beats Galion.

Somewhat of a surprise, Fairbanks is having a better year than last year. Wish them the best as they move into there new conference.

I thought the BV/Pleasant game was somewhat of a surprise. Pleasant has drastically improved from last season on Defense, BV played Alder tough last week, thought it would be a much closer game.

[galiontiger]

Oct 9, 2016 8:51:22 GMT -5 Waterboy said:

The surprising score of the night was North Union/Fairbanks. Fairbanks had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to drive and score but QB threw a Int. I will say, I think Fairbanks beats Galion.

Darn! I had Fairbanks to win that game too against NU too. They are a lot better than last year from what I've seen on film. They will beat us...unless something I haven't seen happens this week. It is our Homecoming game..maybe that will be a little bit more motivation for us. Who knows!

[4]

No you guys will lose lol.

[moacfootballfan]

Dang GT, I think you've made some enemies LOL

[4]

I'm no enemy if regarding me haha. I just like talking sports it can get chippy sometimes. But I wish galion was up this year. Better for the moac. Still a great conference in my opinion.

[hardingmavman]

In all honesty i do have a question what is the deal with Galion with Harding anyway? i had someone ask me the other day why Galion seems to not like Harding and i had no clue i thought we are very similar teams and match up well but not sure what the deal is lol anyone care to explain?

[Waterboy]

Oct 9, 2016 10:41:32 GMT -5 galiontiger said:

Oct 9, 2016 8:51:22 GMT -5 Waterboy said:

The surprising score of the night was North Union/Fairbanks. Fairbanks had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to drive and score but QB threw a Int. I will say, I think Fairbanks beats Galion.

Darn! I had Fairbanks to win that game too against NU too. They are a lot better than last year from what I've seen on film. They will beat us...unless something I haven't seen happens this week. It is our Homecoming game..maybe that will be a little bit more motivation for us. Who knows!

Fairbanks QB threw for almost 450 yards vs North Union. If they were in their new league this year they would be having much more positive results. 

[GHS 1999]

Oct 9, 2016 18:43:09 GMT -5 hardingmavman said:

In all honesty i do have a question what is the deal with Galion with Harding anyway? i had someone ask me the other day why Galion seems to not like Harding and i had no clue i thought we are very similar teams and match up well but not sure what the deal is lol anyone care to explain?

I'm not sure from this vantage point. I don't have a problem with Harding. Nor do I have a problem with them being in the MOAC. To me your school is a d2, but they play more like a d4 so they fit right in. I think their game will come down to who makes the fewest mistakes.

[moacmama]

Oct 9, 2016 19:17:11 GMT -5 Waterboy said:

Oct 9, 2016 10:41:32 GMT -5 galiontiger said:

Darn! I had Fairbanks to win that game too against NU too. They are a lot better than last year from what I've seen on film. They will beat us...unless something I haven't seen happens this week. It is our Homecoming game..maybe that will be a little bit more motivation for us. Who knows!

Fairbanks QB threw for almost 450 yards vs North Union. If they were in their new league this year they would be having much more positive results. 

hudl says 329 yards,,,,regardless he's a pretty good qb. The league change will be good for Fairbanks. 

[4]

They'll be D3 next year but I didn't ever agree with divisions, just cause more students doesn't mean much unless it's like 70-20 , I mean it's the same gender lol isn't no super humans.

[babymaker]

OK so I looked at current enrollment for Harding they are the 10th from the bottom in size 379 and lowest is tied at 361. So for them to drop a division they would need the other 10 teams below them or some in the D3 to out grow them. That would also mean that Harding's class size from Freshman to Senior also has some differences. Based on what I am seeing its a lot of hoping and praying you move down and not really knowing for sure that you will. When you are a bubble school to many variables in place to guess if you will move from cycle to cycle. Keep hoping that you change but its really just hope and no real facts. Keep in mind the current 7th and 8th grade classes are large classes so while they potentially could move down for 1 year they could also move back up in 3.

[4]

If they lose a few students then they'll go down correct? I never knew how it worked to be honest.

[babymaker]

Each division has a set # of teams they start at D1 and the # (current d2 is 107 schools) of schools they need to fill it then set the # of boys. Then they fill D2 and then D3 and it goes the same from there. Yes they need to lose boys but that would also mean every other school around their size would need to stay the same or grow. The # of boys each year is never the same its not a hard bar that below or above you are a certain level its the # of schools per division that controls the cut off point.

Bottom line is that unless you know every schools enrollment figures that are within 30 boys of them its impossible to know if they will move or not.

[averagejoe]

Oct 9, 2016 23:16:15 GMT -5 4 said:

If they lose a few students then they'll go down correct? I never knew how it worked to be honest.

That is not a guarantee. Each division will have a set number of teams in it. If every schools enrollment drops a few then it stays the same. From what I have seen over the years, when a school is close to the cutoff limit, they need to have a year where they change by 25-30 kids to make a move. It seems every school can adjust 10-15 every 2 years and some as much as 30-40.

[Deleted]

Every schools number can change so being close get you nothing.

[presnapread]

Oct 7, 2016 22:46:06 GMT -5 stanley said:

BV has had excellent athletes for a very very long time now, but never a coaching staff to help maximize their potential.

stanley - that's a pretty low blow/cheap shot. Of course, this is a pretty much anonymous blog/message board so often as is the case - you're not accountable, no one knows who you are so cheap shots can be at a maximum ..... While BV has an excellent coaching staff, who have had success at different stops, for "a very, very long time" BV has had some quite respectable, excellent coaches who were professional, dedicated and who have worked very hard and tirelessly at developing the school districts athletes. Plus, they've had some fairly decent seasons. At least by the recent "definition" of "decent" in here and in the area/conference.

baseballdad ..... Once again I sort of agree .... Although I feel Pleasant, on Friday night, was very good, you're right, BV didn't show up ..... At least the team that showed up to JA the previous Friday didn't show up. If THAT team shows up 10 Friday's, BV might beat JA ONCE. If the team that played Friday at Pleasant shows up they never beat JA or Pleasant. Lack of leadership is an issue, surprising that no one has mentioned the massive changes to the BV coaching staff from 2015 to 2016 as an issue. Is it? But perhaps, few respect the importance of coaching in here except for stanley and warhorse who both think BV coaching very questionable.

[stanley]

Low blow...yes. Cheap shot...not entirely sure how...it is an aspect of the game that I judged. No different then if I said such and such school has a great coach the talents just not there, or such and such a school has had great O's,but horrible defenses that have held them back or vice versa. Most schools have had their weakness and in my opinion Buckeye Valley's weakness has been coaching. Look at the players they were given in the '00s under Marshall and to only win one title and that being in '08. Which somehow lost to Cardington, probably should have beat Pleasant that year and the Hayes game I would not know about. '09 pretty much returned everyone from that team except Kidwell and they took steps backwards... These staffs that underachieved this entire era, however, is still better than what they have in place now. We definitely do not have to agree, but c'mon talking about accountability? Did you join the thought police too or is it ok to only take shots at kids and not adults?

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stanley And others

"Players they were given in the '00s" by who's definition/evaluation? Yours? The posters in here or from somewhere else? Their middle school coaches? Their parents? By some "Monday morning quarterback" sitting at a bar or in a barbershop chair? Their PeeWee coaches? Were you on one of these teams and thought the players were great or did someone say that they were and you're reporting it. Is it someone looking at a 7-3 team and thinking it should have, could have been 9-1 or a 5 - 5 team that could have, should have been 6-4? Just who decides that the players, of the 90's, '00s or now are that great and that the coaches underachieve ..... Isn't it up to the players of the team and the coaches who coach the team to make the call? I'm not being facetious, not being a smart aleck, I'm asking a serious question. I have a buddy who was a BV BOE member during the 00's and he'll tell you that, by his definition (and this guy was a collegiate athlete, for what that's the worth) some of these teams had 4 or 5 decent athletes. He said "decent athletes" NOT football players (they're not always the same) and if you're going to have a great team doesn't it take decent athletes and football players and a good number of them? After all, you can only hide so many weak players.

Yeah, we can agree, disagree, or agree to disagree ..... But USUALLY we generally see eye to eye.
Just sayin'

[stanley]

Ok you bring up a good point and I stand corrected off of what could be me jumping to conclusions. To answer your question first off, those teams were not me hearing someone say this or that, I witnessed those Baron teams play quite a few ball games. I felt like they had quite a few great football players, always had great size physically to work with. When I would see the size of their kids, and see the speed of their kids especially from '07-'09 I always thought "damn these guys oughta be 10-0." I always thought it was their coaching that held them back. Bad assumption on my part, and I concede because when it comes to great "football players" I do feel like you could name off 5-8 on most of those teams, but depth was not a strong suit and the others may be big may be fast, but like you said decent athletes do not always make decent football players. It's a football game not a strongest man competition or track meet. My bad.

BTW like another poster already said awhile back I do still imagnie Keith Richards speaking while I read your posts. Pretty cool Talking BV football with one of the stones lol

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stanley

JUST so you also imagine the London Cockney rhyming slang.