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Post by galiontiger on Aug 21, 2016 21:01:37 GMT -5
Well for your coach in particular GT I would say it's the offensive scheme your head coach has been apart of. The Freddie's since 2010 have either gone with pro-style I backs (which would probably fit your sons style better, but not Galions offense as a whole due to you need BEASTs as O-lineman to run that and usually two running backs almost as strong as your lineman) or they have ran some spread jet, jet veer, etc. and most of their passes have been rollout passes. He had two (I believe brothers) from 2010-2015 with the last name of Hathaway playing QB for him in that time. Those two kids were smart, they were fast, throwing was average but they made good decisions, and they were just playmakers all around. Whenever they faced a team with a poor front seven they usually stuck to their pro style and pounded the ball, when they faced teams with a great front 7 and pass rush, they spread it out and almost every pass was a rollout. This is in a sense, hoping your tackle can reach the D-end you rollout towards. If this happens the rest of the D-line and any blitzing backers have basically been taken out of the play because now the QB has all day to throw as he rolls out towards an open sidelines. Even if no one is open the QB can probably scramble for 5 or so yards. Now for Galion, Cooke is not as fast or mobile as the Hathaway boys were, Cooke has a better arm then they did, decision making pretty comparable. I've read that Galions O-Line seems to be down this year along with running backs, but a great QB and perhaps some good receivers. Is it possible you may have one tackle that's decently quick? If so, this formula is why the coach wants to work in these rollout passes. If he has one tackle that is quick and strong enough to reach a d-end he wants to give the rest of the O-Line a break and let the QB and receivers get to work. This is tough on your son, however, coaches usually put the most pressure on their best players. Our offensive line isn't just down..It's all new and even our defensive line..all new. The kids are just young. They will get better if they don't get hurt. We had 2 hurt against Shelby. This was a great post..very informative. Chase will be running for his life this year. I just hope the team can start good against Bucyrus. Some how.. some way we can get a win. It would be a great feeling for those young boys. |
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Post by GHS 1999 on Aug 21, 2016 21:10:26 GMT -5
You're right, Galiontiger. There is no doubt the offense really clicked once Hawk went to Chase full time at QB. And I do remember the tide turning in the RV game once he got in there. In fact I do t know why it took them so long to go to him. Fryer was a great runner but his throws were never very accurate. My point was that Drake really set up the passing by making a lot of great runs which opened up the passing game. I think Chase will have a nice season this year but he will be running for his life a lot. I think they will beat Bucyrus as well.
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Post by galiontiger on Aug 21, 2016 21:18:14 GMT -5
It had more to do with our receivers FINALLY catching some balls that hit them in the hands, something that was a rarity up until that point. Also, those wins were mostly to do with the absolutely amazing season Drake Barnett had last season. He put that offense on his back and made some special things happen. You are so correct. Barnett was a BEAST last year and did put the team on his back. He had some highlight reels that were amazing! I honestly don't remember too many dropped passes, except for that Fairbanks game, but the receivers made up for it. What I remember was Chase just wasn't throwing much in the beginning of the season. Coach Hawkins was flipping QB in and out. Something I hated, and he finally realized that he wasn't going to be successful doing that. He told me that they were trying to ease Chase into the offensive scheme, because he was new to the whole system and was having a hard time grasping it (remember we came there last year, and Chase didn't play in any scrimmages nor was he allowed to play in the first game). Also Chase was probably throwing the ball 10-12 times a game, and they were little dink passes...3 yards here...6 yards there. (Chase only ended up throwing 124 passes the whole season last year. Compare that to the other QBs in the league and area last year, you will see a HUGE difference.) So there was a lot of tension, I honestly believed after that Buckeye Valley and JA game we were going to be run out of town. hahaha! Things were being said, I think Coach Hawkins finally said to himself, "let's just let it loose, we can't lose another game or our 3 or 4 year playoff run is in jeopardy." I could be wrong, but that's what happened he opened up the offense and we went deep against all those remaining teams. Barnett kept doing what he was doing..being a BEAST, and we rolled into the playoffs. I just thought for sure we would do better against Edison. We couldn't stop them defensively at all. I couldn't believe that either. We got it handed to us. So cool to experience the playoffs though, what an atmosphere! |
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Post by stanley on Aug 21, 2016 22:39:50 GMT -5
The difference in football atmosphere between week 10 and week 11 certainly is amazing. Also knowing how tough it is to truly make the playoffs in Ohio compared to the majority of other states with what seems like 100 dang divisions. Of course I wouldn't mind seeing public/private split in the postseason too though. Nothing I lose sleep over, just wouldn't mind it. Certainly not trying to open that can of worms or start that war though that we saw so many times on certain defunct forums.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 21, 2016 23:44:08 GMT -5
Galion is down this year physically compared to the last few. Probably, that is a contributing factor in where Hawkins is now. The Galion qb is a prototype drop back pocket passer. Around 6-4/5 with an absolute cannon for an arm. As GT mentioned earlier mobility is not his strong suit but he can move around adequately. Armstrong is just a special athlete who can pretty much do anything he wants to and seem to do it effortlessly. So how is Ontario looking so far? It has been pretty quiet. Given what they spent to get Hawkins over there I would imagine that they'd expect some immediate results. I only made it to one of Ontario's scrimmages against what appeared to be a weak New London, they won 6-1, all TDs on plays of 50 yards or more. Ontario's very athletic QB didn't run the ball once, out of Hawkin's Pistol Offense. I haven't talked anyone who saw the other 2 scrimmages. I don't expect them to have a winning record. Galion and Ontario should have played, could have been a close game. Only the foolish and unknowledgeable would "expect some immediate results". |
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Post by galion on Aug 22, 2016 0:21:13 GMT -5
There seems to be some confusion as to why it took so long for Hawkins to quit playing musical qb's last season. As much as I hate to do it I actually have to defend him on this one. The first 3 weeks of the season I swear to God I've never seen so many dropped passes in my life. And when I say dropped I mean hit them in the hands in stride dropped. At that point he tried to go with Barnett and Fryer as dual running threats out of the backfield which they had success with the previous season. RV was the first team we faced defensively who was good enough to load the box and force us to beat them passing. To Chase's and our receivers' credit they answered the bell when it rang. I realize that because of the brutally terrible pre conference opponents that we played our passing inadequacies weren't as glaring as they could have been, but trust me they were that bad. I need to edit this post to add that clearly JA was the first team who was good enough to do it but RV was was the first team who could shut down our run that we were good enough to beat. There was no mistaking that JA was better than we were last season.
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Post by galion on Aug 22, 2016 0:34:09 GMT -5
Galion is down this year physically compared to the last few. Probably, that is a contributing factor in where Hawkins is now. The Galion qb is a prototype drop back pocket passer. Around 6-4/5 with an absolute cannon for an arm. As GT mentioned earlier mobility is not his strong suit but he can move around adequately. Armstrong is just a special athlete who can pretty much do anything he wants to and seem to do it effortlessly. So how is Ontario looking so far? It has been pretty quiet. Given what they spent to get Hawkins over there I would imagine that they'd expect some immediate results. I only made it to one of Ontario's scrimmages against what appeared to be a weak New London, they won 6-1, all TDs on plays of 50 yards or more. Ontario's very athletic QB didn't run the ball once, out of Hawkin's Pistol Offense. I haven't talked anyone who saw the other 2 scrimmages. I don't expect them to have a winning record. Galion and Ontario should have played, could have been a close game. Only the foolish and unknowledgeable would "expect some immediate results". Stop it. You're telling me that the man who can probably recite to me the starting line up for your 7th grade team, and will in all likelyhood based on recent history make double digit posts about said team over the course of the season hasn't seen or heard anything about 2 of the 3 varsity scrimmages. Did they play them under the cover of darkness and ban all public and media from attendance? I'm calling bs on this one Willard. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 22, 2016 0:40:20 GMT -5
Weeeellll WF....I don't like cocky coaches. You are right. I don't necessary like Urban Meyer (I'll say it, but I don't hate him, because I love winning coaches.), nor do I like Nick Saban. They are at elite colleges who can bring in top-rated players no matter who the coach is. Plus I'm being honest here, you can have all these quick quarterbacks that Ohio State has. I don't think Urban Meyer has that great of talent on selecting quarterbacks anyway. How many quarterbacks did we go through last year? How many open receivers were wide open and "this athletic QB" couldn't hit them even with no pressure on them? It was ridiculous to me. Since Urban Meyer has been there, I've only seen one QB have any kind of success, and he wasn't all that fast - Cardale Jones 2 years ago. Who gets picked high in the NFL draft usually big QB who aren't all that fast? My son is faster than a pro-QB you used too...Tom Brady (5.28 in the 40 at the 2000 NFL combine.) So Chase can scramble good enough, we will see come Friday I guess. Speaking of "cocky". LSU, brings in elite players what have they done recently? Carr brought elite players to Michigan when Tressel was the head coach, what good did they do for Carr? What has happened to Texas and USC? Coaching, COACHING, C-O-A-C-H-I-N-G! You know SOOOO LITTLE about Urban Meyer and his coaching ability it's pitiful. READ and become learned. You make incorrect statements with no research, you say things off the cuff that have little to do with reality. Meyer's record at Ohio State is 50-4, 40 of those wins came with "quick" QBs behind center. If you were knowledgeable you would know THE NUMBER ONE reason for Cardale's success in the post season in 2014 was due to DEVIN SMITH. Who Urban calls THE best WR he has ever seen at tracking long passes and catching them at the apex of his jump. You know, that guy who caught all of those jump ball passes Cardale threw. Have you READ what Cardale was told to do in those games, so he wouldn't F-Up? ONLY throw passes at the side lines and down field. DO NOT throw passes across the middle. Do I need to tell you why? I wonder why Cardale didn't do nearly as well in 2015? NO Devin Smith to throw to. ALSO Cardale was VERY good at handing the ball to Zeke in those 3 games. You do remember what he did in those three games don't you? 704 yards and 8 touchdowns. Cardale screwed up big time. He actually thought he'd comeback, win the Heisman and be a 1st round draft choice. Instead he comes back, looks average and gets drafted in the late 4th round. He could have gone in the 2nd round if he left after the 2014 season. I don't know what games you were watching last year. JT 63.3%, 11 TDs, 4 INTs. Cardale 62.5%, 8 TDs, 5 INTs. That looks like Cardale was missing more "wide open" receivers than JT. I don't care who the QB is, how big he is, how quick he is, as long as he wins. Since you insult JT Barrett you are obviously ignorant of what he has done at Ohio State. Let me help you. He has 2 of the 5 best completion % seasons of all QBs in Ohio State History. When he was a Freshman he had the 2nd best % in school history. Also in his Freshman year he set 17 Ohio State records and 2 Big Ten records. This year, after less than 2 1/2 years of playing time. He has a good chance at completely rewriting the record book for QB's at Ohio State, and will still have another year to play. Nope that has nothing to do with Urban Meyer's coaching or his offense, does it??? I don't care who the QB is, how big he is, how quick he is, as long as he wins. Those are just the FACTS. You could have known them as well, if you did the research. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 22, 2016 0:48:17 GMT -5
I only made it to one of Ontario's scrimmages against what appeared to be a weak New London, they won 6-1, all TDs on plays of 50 yards or more. Ontario's very athletic QB didn't run the ball once, out of Hawkin's Pistol Offense. I haven't talked anyone who saw the other 2 scrimmages. I don't expect them to have a winning record. Galion and Ontario should have played, could have been a close game. Only the foolish and unknowledgeable would "expect some immediate results". Stop it. You're telling me that the man who can probably recite to me the starting line up for your 7th grade team, and will in all likelyhood based on recent history make double digit posts about said team over the course of the season hasn't seen or heard anything about 2 of the 3 varsity scrimmages. Did they play them under the cover of darkness and ban all public and media from attendance? I'm calling bs on this one Willard. You're showing how little you know about WF. Those would be untruths about WF and Ontario football. I do not follow football that closely. No longer care to sit in the rain, sleet, wind and cold. You're thinking about basketball, if you're thinking at all.  |
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Post by galion on Aug 22, 2016 4:26:31 GMT -5
I find it increasingly difficult to believe that after Ontario did the high school equivalency of backing up the Brinks Truck to Hawkin's house in order to get him that there isn't more excitement and buzz surrounding Ontario's program. Where is Mr. Steel when you need him? WF do you at least have knowledge of the other teams involved in Ontario's scrimmages? Sorry all that rain, sleet, and snow over the last couple of weeks has driven you away from the greatest sport on the planet.
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Post by galiontiger on Aug 22, 2016 5:25:03 GMT -5
In high school, college, the NFL of course you don't care how big or athletic your QB is you just want to win. Listen I just don't like the OSU QB's or Meyer. I stated my reasons that's my opinion. Now biggie, I'm not a stat-hound, I watch the game I look at the throws he makes or misses. Cardale had a horrifying season last year. He was terrible. I'm going to watch OSU this year, and we will see how well their QB does. Plus how many QB's that Meyer has recruited made it in the NFL, since he recruits talent so well. He is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in college; you would think he would get the best QB's right? I was down at the Friday Night Lights this year and saw that top recruit (white kid) we got for next year. I couldn't believe he was the one though he does have an impressive resume. I still didn't see it by his throws. Now that black kid who was a 2018 recruit with the long hair...WOW! He looked good. I hope OSU gets him. Maybe he already signed with us. I don't know. So WF, we are just going to disagree on this one. Our QB miss open receivers too much for my taste. 11 td's 4 interceptions..doesn't sound like that great of a ratio to me either. Maybe it is to you.
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Post by usa70pp on Aug 22, 2016 6:36:48 GMT -5
What goes around comes around. Think about that when some of those "bad" teams last year put 50 or 60 on you this year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 6:49:08 GMT -5
I've never understood the need to beat a team 70-7?
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Post by galion on Aug 22, 2016 7:58:17 GMT -5
What goes around comes around. Think about that when some of those "bad" teams last year put 50 or 60 on you this year. I hate to tell you this but historically we are typically the ones getting beat like that. Over the last 7 or so years we have had a very nice run of athletes and a good coach to go with them. Yeah, we'll take a step or 2 back this season without question but we've survived it before. |
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Post by galion on Aug 22, 2016 8:13:38 GMT -5
I've never understood the need to beat a team 70-7? Sometimes it happens. Our preview against Shelby was 33-0 at halftime. There is no question that could have easily devolved into a 70-0 debacle when we refuse to tackle the ball carrier. Are we supposed ask Shelby to take a knee for an entire half? Should we just forfeit? Quite frankly I would find that even more degrading as a player than losing 70-0. High school sports do not lend themselves to parity. There are going to be blowouts. There is no escaping it. We all witnessed it and probably we all experienced it ourselves regardless of when we played. The difference now is that we currently live in an every child gets a trophy society and we want to give our children the illusion that they are better than they really are rather than letting reality slap them in the face and show them how much harder they need to work. Trying to protect kids like this is not preparing them for life after school in the real world workforce. |
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Post by buckeye01 on Aug 22, 2016 9:08:55 GMT -5
Big week for JA to take the next step. Fridays scrimmage did not show much due to the competition, but I guess it was better than nothing after London cancelled. I'm looking forward to seeing an angry team and I'm sure Coach Glass will have them ready to go. BEAT MARYSVILLE!
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Post by Ramsfan09 on Aug 22, 2016 9:26:42 GMT -5
Hey everyone I'm trying to get more poeple for the occ pickem . Come on over and put your picks in the more we have the better the competition will be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 9:31:37 GMT -5
Sorry galion, maybe I should have been a little more specific. I have never understood the need to beat a BAD team 70-7 and then be proud of it. To me is only tells a story of how bad the competition is on your schedule. I am not saying to have mercy on any opponent. If you get up big in the second half and have the reserve players in the game by the 3rd quarter and they are still scoring that's fine. You cannot tell the kids who get beat up all week in practice to take a knee. Heck No!
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Post by stanley on Aug 22, 2016 10:17:23 GMT -5
^^^usually anymore that is how 70 point victory's happen. It's been awhile since I've seen such a blowout where a coach kept the varsity in and continued to score after score after score. If that were the case I wouldn't get it either. That's a good way to risk injury. Even the controversial 83 points that C-Beeg put on Cardington a few years back...it was the JV in the second half. Probably didn't need to keep throwing the ball, but you can thank the new mercy rule for that one. It seems to me we have seen uglier blow outs since they made that rule and I think it's because throwing the ball won't slow the game down any. So sometimes winning or losing teams in that scenario sling it around still. Before the rule, coaches and teams wanted to get out of there so they kept it on the ground.
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Post by baseballdad on Aug 22, 2016 12:02:50 GMT -5
Looks like I'm the lone BV poster to make the transition over to here. I don't have a kid on the team so I have no idea what's going on with them right now, but I'll be at just about every game so I'll provide my usual measured insights as the season goes on. I do know that they have several impact move-ins from Liberty that will add some really good speed to the offense to go along with the QB, Spaulding. Defensively, I would expect them to be pretty stout in the front 7 but don't know anything about the secondary. They lost a ton of leadership off of last year's team so that's probably the #1 thing they will have to find early in the season.
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Post by usa70pp on Aug 22, 2016 15:04:53 GMT -5
Back in the afore mentioned D5 runner-up year in 2001, Pleasant set the points scored in a season record, since topped, and could have probably added a bundle more in one particular game. Kubbs didn't allow Jefferies to throw a pass the whole game and pulled him after one series in the second half. People were always saying how Kubbs "ran up" the score. Had the mercy rule been in place that year, Pleasant would have had a running clock in nearly every game.
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Post by stanley on Aug 22, 2016 16:17:31 GMT -5
Back in the afore mentioned D5 runner-up year in 2001, Pleasant set the points scored in a season record, since topped, and could have probably added a bundle more in one particular game. Kubbs didn't allow Jefferies to throw a pass the whole game and pulled him after one series in the second half. People were always saying how Kubbs "ran up" the score. Had the mercy rule been in place that year, Pleasant would have had a running clock in nearly every game. This is very true. I remember walking away from some of those games that I got to watch thinking "man, Pleasant really took care of their opponents today, that could have been a lot worse." Only to hear others accuse them of running it up. Never quite understood the accusations. |
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Post by galion on Aug 22, 2016 17:50:13 GMT -5
Because people don't want to hold their own kids accountable for their shortcomings and performance. They'd rather blame refs, opponents, and coaches instead.
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Post by stanley on Aug 22, 2016 18:36:31 GMT -5
Amen to that Galion.
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Post by galiontiger on Aug 22, 2016 20:31:07 GMT -5
USA...if a team puts up 60 or 70 points on us this year, so be it. I'm going to enjoy this season. What ever happens...happens. We are going to have fun. We will find out Friday if we can get our offense rolling, so if a team puts up 60 or 70 points on us, maybe we can put up like 35. I just want to see us put up 3 good games in a row. That's all I'm asking for. Just please dear lord, don't let us look like we did in any of those scrimmage games. GO TIGERS!!!
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Post by galion on Aug 22, 2016 21:25:29 GMT -5
I'm curious to see how the Centerberg/Cardington game shakes out later in the year. However, none of our first 3 opponents would fare any better against Shelby or Madison than we did. That being said we will need to play our butts off to go 3-0 but I believe it's doable.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 22, 2016 22:32:23 GMT -5
In high school, college, the NFL of course you don't care how big or athletic your QB is you just want to win. Listen I just don't like the OSU QB's or Meyer. I stated my reasons that's my opinion. Now biggie, I'm not a stat-hound, I watch the game I look at the throws he makes or misses. Cardale had a horrifying season last year. He was terrible. I'm going to watch OSU this year, and we will see how well their QB does. Plus how many QB's that Meyer has recruited made it in the NFL, since he recruits talent so well. He is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in college; you would think he would get the best QB's right? I was down at the Friday Night Lights this year and saw that top recruit (white kid) we got for next year. I couldn't believe he was the one though he does have an impressive resume. I stillness that has didn't see it by his throws. Now that black kid who was a 2018 recruit with the long hair...WOW! He looked good. I hope OSU gets him. Maybe he already signed with us. I don't know. So WF, we are just going to disagree on this one. Our QB miss open receivers too much for my taste. 11 td's 4 interceptions..doesn't sound like that great of a ratio to me either. Maybe it is to you. Your lack of knowledge is showing again. Urban has recruited the top "dual threat" QBs in the country every year. the QBs best suited to run his Read Option College Offense. They run his offense VERY WELL. The offense that has won Urban three National Titles. ThoSe QBs most likely will not be All-Pro NFL QBs and they are fine with that. They come to Ohio State to play for Urban Meyer, play in his system, win Big Ten Titles, compete for National Championships and get a great free education. If you were well read you would know that the "black kid" you reference has already committed to Ohio State. Again, JT had the second best completion % in Ohio State history and that's not good enough for you, that speaks volumes. JTs 11 TDs and 4 INTs came in less than half the snaps last year. Again your lack of knowledge is showing |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 6:44:57 GMT -5
Because people don't want to hold their own kids accountable for their shortcomings and performance. They'd rather blame refs, opponents, and coaches instead. ^^^Spot on. |
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Post by galiontiger on Aug 23, 2016 7:01:41 GMT -5
I'm curious to see how the Centerberg/Cardington game shakes out later in the year. However, none of our first 3 opponents would fare any better against Shelby or Madison than we did. That being said we will need to play our butts off to go 3-0 but I believe it's doable. Yeah! We are going to have our hands full with Cardington. I watched that game against Bucyrus on Hudl last night. At first Cardington didn't look that good..missed passes. They didn't really impress me that much, but then they figured it all out by like the 3rd series when they were already up 21-7..Honestly it should have been like either 21-14 or 21-21..Bucyrus quarterback missed a wide open touchdown pass, and they had a stupid interception ran back for a td I think. What happened in that game is all of a sudden Cardington's defensive line just started blasting through and snatching them left and right..in the first 3 series Bucyrus was moving the ball pretty easily. Cardington has big running back who is IMPRESSIVE too. Big receiver too that the QB constantly goes deep too. So yes Galion better play a tight game or it's going to be a blowout. For us to beat them is we got to disrupt that QB, and try to shut down that running back which is going to be a feat in itself. We should be more competitive than Bucyrus, but you never know. I know I'm hearing rumors about how bad Bucyrus is. I say stop that crap that team did not look too bad to me. Galion better not believe that hype that we are going to kill them. It's going to be a good game. I'm trying..trying to tone down what I'm hearing. I can't believe that trash is being pushed for what reason I have no clue. WF....You and I just disagree. You love Ohio State QB and think they are next coming of another John Elway. I say you have been drinking too much of Meyer's koolaide. But listen, you have your points. I have mine. Let's just see how our QB does this year. I'm sorry I don't sit on my computer constantly reading Ohio State's recruiting news daily. I would rather be down at Ohio State watching the young kids actually throw and compete than on my computer putting other people down for their lack on knowledge of names and stats. I still love you though. You are true scholar. I can respect that. You keep me inform on the stats, and I keep you informed on what the kids look like live. |
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Post by stanley on Aug 23, 2016 8:00:50 GMT -5
Big runningback for Cardington. GoPirates would that be Osbourne? I know last season they had a back who wasn't too fast, but pretty big and strong especially for a runningback.
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