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Post by royalballdad on Dec 10, 2018 7:31:05 GMT -5
The kid wasn’t a recruit. From all the information (which was discussed at length on another thread) the kid himself did not want to change schools nor was he recruited. The parents made this decision for him. The kid had no choice. You don’t recruit the kid in high school. You recruit and convince the parents. Don’t be foolish I wouldn’t be foolish... If my boys were playing Hs basketball now instead of many years ago. And I had a chance to either send them to Crawford or Upper to play basketball. Not even close. Upper - easy decision. Wouldn’t take a coach recruiting me. Really like & respect coach Mohr. Don’t as is obvious care for Sheldon. Upper wins playing a style of basketball that is fun to watch as a parent & fan. My boys would have loved to have played at Upper. Only issue would have been they were football players and Uppers football program is - well that is for another thread. |
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Post by fbfan on Dec 10, 2018 8:34:47 GMT -5
You don’t recruit the kid in high school. You recruit and convince the parents. Don’t be foolish I wouldn’t be foolish... If my boys were playing Hs basketball now instead of many years ago. And I had a chance to either send them to Crawford or Upper to play basketball. Not even close. Upper - easy decision. Wouldn’t take a coach recruiting me. Really like & respect coach Mohr. Don’t as is obvious care for Sheldon. Upper wins playing a style of basketball that is fun to watch as a parent & fan. My boys would have loved to have played at Upper. Only issue would have been they were football players and Uppers football program is - well that is for another thread. Many years ago I moved my young family to the district where I thought they would be in the best environment and get the best education. Didn't know if they would turn out to be good athletes of not. If that is CCCC recruiting, so be it. Apparently the parents of about 265 kids at CC have a similar purpose. They're not all going to be athletes. Upper's coach doesn't have to do anything. He's got an AAU parent doing all the work for him at the high school level. My good friend (who knows things) told me so, at the secret meeting at the Tiro Tavern. And we weren't drinking Kool-Aid there, if you know what I mean.  |
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Post by dude on Dec 10, 2018 9:06:09 GMT -5
I wouldn’t be foolish... If my boys were playing Hs basketball now instead of many years ago. And I had a chance to either send them to Crawford or Upper to play basketball. Not even close. Upper - easy decision. Wouldn’t take a coach recruiting me. Really like & respect coach Mohr. Don’t as is obvious care for Sheldon. Upper wins playing a style of basketball that is fun to watch as a parent & fan. My boys would have loved to have played at Upper. Only issue would have been they were football players and Uppers football program is - well that is for another thread. Many years ago I moved my young family to the district where I thought they would be in the best environment and get the best education. Didn't know if they would turn out to be good athletes of not. If that is CCCC recruiting, so be it. Apparently the parents of about 265 kids at CC have a similar purpose. They're not all going to be athletes. Upper's coach doesn't have to do anything. He's got an AAU parent doing all the work for him at the high school level. My good friend (who knows things) told me so, at the secret meeting at the Tiro Tavern. And we weren't drinking Kool-Aid there, if you know what I mean. Different schools and coaches have different tactics. Some may have parents that connect kids from AAU while other coaches have their assistant coach form local youth camps to make contact. |
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Post by Hagen on Dec 10, 2018 14:53:19 GMT -5
A few thoughts on US-CC game: - I sat in the midst of the adult CC fans & I they were far worse than either student section, specifically directing things towards McCreary. I'll also say that McCreary himself played to the crowd by flexing into a timeout, and wasn't ignoring the situation. - Winslow did not join the celebration/storming and Sheldon could've shaken hands. His safety was not being compromised. It's not a good look for him. Here's Zach Holden's tweet of the final play and immediate reaction for a few seconds: LINK TO TWEET. Sheldon's face was in his towel turning around at the buzzer before fans were on the court. - CC played better than I think some people expected, especially in leading 43-39 with 1:35 remaining. Fenner made a big shot to level it at 45-45. Game at CC should be fun. This also showed that US isn't invincible. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 14:59:22 GMT -5
A few thoughts on US-CC game: - I sat in the midst of the adult CC fans & I they were far worse than either student section, specifically directing things towards McCreary. I'll also say that McCreary himself played to the crowd by flexing into a timeout, and wasn't ignoring the situation. - Winslow did not join the celebration/storming and Sheldon could've shaken hands. His safety was not being compromised. It's not a good look for him. Here's Zach Holden's tweet of the final play and immediate reaction for a few seconds: LINK TO TWEET. Sheldon's face was in his towel turning around at the buzzer before fans were on the court. - CC played better than I think some people expected, especially in leading 43-39 with 1:35 remaining. Fenner made a big shot to level it at 45-45. Game at CC should be fun. This also showed that US isn't invincible. This video debunks purefan’s “first hand” account of how it all went down. Upper’s student section is diagonally across the court from CC’s bench. This means the CC players could of easily walked over to their bench and got in line and waited to shake hands. Seems like purefan is a disciple of Sheldon |
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Post by gibby23 on Dec 10, 2018 15:11:01 GMT -5
I think the only recruiting Coach Winslow is doing is to his 2 sons. If he got them to come to upper they would be no doubt state contenders. I know Coach Winslow would like to have his kids play for him at Upper, but I don't think it will happen, the boys mother wants them at St. Paul. I wonder if Coach Winslow would ever come to ST. Paul and coach his boys there? I know they would have to find him a job so it probably would never happen, and he would have to take a pay cut etc. etc. I know it will never happen it was just a thought. |
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Post by purefan on Dec 10, 2018 15:28:35 GMT -5
A few thoughts on US-CC game: - I sat in the midst of the adult CC fans & I they were far worse than either student section, specifically directing things towards McCreary. I'll also say that McCreary himself played to the crowd by flexing into a timeout, and wasn't ignoring the situation. - Winslow did not join the celebration/storming and Sheldon could've shaken hands. His safety was not being compromised. It's not a good look for him. Here's Zach Holden's tweet of the final play and immediate reaction for a few seconds: LINK TO TWEET. Sheldon's face was in his towel turning around at the buzzer before fans were on the court. - CC played better than I think some people expected, especially in leading 43-39 with 1:35 remaining. Fenner made a big shot to level it at 45-45. Game at CC should be fun. This also showed that US isn't invincible. This video debunks purefan’s “first hand” account of how it all went down. Upper’s student section is diagonally across the court from CC’s bench. This means the CC players could of easily walked over to their bench and got in line and waited to shake hands. Seems like purefan is a disciple of Sheldon Let the video roll before you spout off big hoss. A few sec right after shot doesn’t show the whole story. All the students came running diagonally across the court down into cc bench area. The cc players on the court got caught up in amongst the upper crowd. All the upper players were down celebrating as well at cc bench area. One of cc’s assistants grabbed 2 of cc players on the floor and got them away from the upper students and led them to locker room. I will argue with anyone the fact that cc did right thing getting kids to locker room immediatly. As for sheldon how does anyone not know that sheldon didnt talk to winslow well after the celebration? Doesn’t really matter anyhow. All of the sheldon hater’s are gonna hate no matter what and that’s your right. It’s also my right to stand up to the hater’s. Just like fake news a few sec of tape doesn’t in any way explain the entire situation. Keep flapping your gums though, that’s your right whether it is correct or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 16:32:08 GMT -5
Ok cool
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 10, 2018 16:48:08 GMT -5
Wow. I don't get it Upper. Why do you keep poking the bear? You know what happens when he gets mad at somebody. But for a fortuitous change of conference by Riverdale you'd still be in the MOAC now. If you move right now there's a spot in the MOAC for you. Looks like it will be interesting to see if the KMAC tires of Highland before Sheldon/ the N10 tires of you. If you wait too long, who knows, maybe the SBC will have a spot for you somewhere. This is funny. The KMAC loves having Highland and as of their latest league meetings have absolutely no thoughts of changing their league. So the MOAC's dreams of Highland being available is not going to happen soon. But if it did, I was told by a KMAC AD that if they had an opening they would look to invite Pleasant, who would be by far the smallest school in the MOAC. At present time I have been told the N10 has more interest in keeping Upper than they do in listening to the CC AD again. Poking the bear will only become a problem if the CC "bear" tries to take action again. This from a Lex whiner that's still PO'd because his beloved Minutemen wanted out of the OCC, applied to the MOAC and had their application denied. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 10, 2018 16:53:29 GMT -5
I should make you do the research since you are so preoccupied with cc’s open enrollee’s but im not mr. fillmore and will help you out. 960 students k thru 12 in what they consider the 3 buildings. Elementary, middle school, and high school. Of those 960, approx 265 are open enrollee’s. Have 60 students in school district that attend pioneer i believe i read. If my math is correct somewhere around 27% open enrolled. Hope this will help you sleep better tonite. I'll sleep well thanks. That is pretty much what I had been told. I had been told that last season's Jv and varsity roster had 6 kids of the 18 total that did not live in the district. You've done the same whining about Ontario and their Open Enrollment numbers. You called them "runners", because you saw them as "running away" from other School Districts. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 10, 2018 16:56:45 GMT -5
Many years ago I moved my young family to the district where I thought they would be in the best environment and get the best education. Didn't know if they would turn out to be good athletes of not. If that is CCCC recruiting, so be it. Apparently the parents of about 265 kids at CC have a similar purpose. They're not all going to be athletes. Upper's coach doesn't have to do anything. He's got an AAU parent doing all the work for him at the high school level. My good friend (who knows things) told me so, at the secret meeting at the Tiro Tavern. And we weren't drinking Kool-Aid there, if you know what I mean. Different schools and coaches have different tactics. Some may have parents that connect kids from AAU while other coaches have their assistant coach form local youth camps to make contact. Other schools and coaches do NOTHING other than their schools having outstanding academics, great facilities and good programs. |
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 10, 2018 20:30:04 GMT -5
Let’s talk about this purefan.... Upper has won 8 of 9 games vs Upper. Previous to the McCreary kid 7 of 8. Also previous to McCreary the Upper team to my knowledge won all those games in the league and vs Crawford with HomeGrown kids. During that same period Crawford has had numerous kids move-in or transfer who were or are key players and very directly helped better the team & Program. Older & younger McCreary, Feichtner, Fenner, Schaum, etc... not sure but maybe Entenmanm in middle school. All these mentioned kids are or were very key players and were directly responsible for Crawford’s success. So which coach & program has benefitted the most by move-ins or transfers? It is not even debatable - Sheldon & Crawford. Yet, the win / loss record is Winslow 8-1 and Sheldon 1-8. So Purefan put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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Post by usramfan on Dec 10, 2018 20:49:15 GMT -5
Some of you people have an incredibly loose definition of "bench area." The Upper celebration was smashed up against the wall mat at the end of the gym underneath the basket. The CC bench is up against the bleachers. How are they synonymous?
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Post by fcc108 on Dec 10, 2018 21:11:25 GMT -5
I think the only recruiting Coach Winslow is doing is to his 2 sons. If he got them to come to upper they would be no doubt state contenders. I know Coach Winslow would like to have his kids play for him at Upper, but I don't think it will happen, the boys mother wants them at St. Paul. I wonder if Coach Winslow would ever come to ST. Paul and coach his boys there? I know they would have to find him a job so it probably would never happen, and he would have to take a pay cut etc. etc. I know it will never happen it was just a thought. even though that is true, I’ve talked to the Winslow boys and they have not put the thought aside saying it is a very hard decision. Ultimately it is their decision if they move or not. Not their mothers. It would boost their career in tremendously. |
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Post by purefan on Dec 11, 2018 6:49:30 GMT -5
Let’s talk about this purefan.... Upper has won 8 of 9 games vs Upper. Previous to the McCreary kid 7 of 8. Also previous to McCreary the Upper team to my knowledge won all those games in the league and vs Crawford with HomeGrown kids. During that same period Crawford has had numerous kids move-in or transfer who were or are key players and very directly helped better the team & Program. Older & younger McCreary, Feichtner, Fenner, Schaum, etc... not sure but maybe Entenmanm in middle school. All these mentioned kids are or were very key players and were directly responsible for Crawford’s success. So which coach & program has benefitted the most by move-ins or transfers? It is not even debatable - Sheldon & Crawford. Yet, the win / loss record is Winslow 8-1 and Sheldon 1-8. So Purefan put that in your pipe and smoke it! And your point other than for me to do some smoking? All those kids were at cc well before high school. Keep reaching, eventually you’ll grab that rope. By the way i would invite everyone to go read last years n 10 thread. Starting on pg. 3 royallballdad has a lot of good info on all of cc “transfers”. If someone would like to move them all to here that would be sweet. My oh my how someone changes his tune in a years time. Good stuff. I’ll keep smoking it. |
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Post by Whittaker on Dec 11, 2018 8:10:21 GMT -5
I'm not going to get into any of the negative stuff between these two fine programs.
I just wanna mention that CC women give the best massages.
It could be the twelve fingers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 8:13:42 GMT -5
I'm not going to get into any of the negative stuff between these two fine programs. I just wanna mention that CC women give the best massages. It could be the twelve fingers. dammmmnnnn. I don’t care about either program but this is fun. |
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Post by fbfan on Dec 11, 2018 8:28:41 GMT -5
Let’s talk about this purefan.... Upper has won 8 of 9 games vs Upper. Previous to the McCreary kid 7 of 8. Also previous to McCreary the Upper team to my knowledge won all those games in the league and vs Crawford with HomeGrown kids. During that same period Crawford has had numerous kids move-in or transfer who were or are key players and very directly helped better the team & Program. Older & younger McCreary, Feichtner, Fenner, Schaum, etc... not sure but maybe Entenmanm in middle school. All these mentioned kids are or were very key players and were directly responsible for Crawford’s success. So which coach & program has benefitted the most by move-ins or transfers? It is not even debatable - Sheldon & Crawford. Yet, the win / loss record is Winslow 8-1 and Sheldon 1-8. So Purefan put that in your pipe and smoke it! And your point other than for me to do some smoking? All those kids were at cc well before high school. Keep reaching, eventually you’ll grab that rope. By the way i would invite everyone to go read last years n 10 thread. Starting on pg. 3 royallballdad has a lot of good info on all of cc “transfers”. If someone would like to move them all to here that would be sweet. My oh my how someone changes his tune in a years time. Good stuff. I’ll keep smoking it. Here's just one from rbdad on page 3: Agree not "Homegrown"
But Recruiting?
Shaum came because of where is Father lived.
Fenner came because of where is Mom & Dad work/Coach.
Feichtner as I stated could be the only kid of the 3, but his Mom & Grandma are CC alumni.
And he came to CC btw 6th 7 7th grade. The same with Shaum.
So again, where is this "CCC" and "Recruiting" issue coming from?
Just do not see any of this as Recruiting.
I am sure you can go through many of the area teams and find 2-5 kids
who changed schools in Middle & Junior High and aren't as you say "Homegrown".
Recruiting to me is when the players show up after Junior High or between 8th & 9th grade.
And it is easily deducted that they showed up for basketball.
And yes - the 9 I listed are all varsity players. Talk about a 180  Rbdad is right, someone's been drinking kool-aide. Anyone on Wynford play AAU ball? My friend (who knows things) told me Upper may be looking for a high scoring guard for their run to State next year.  |
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Post by fbfan on Dec 11, 2018 8:36:06 GMT -5
I'm not going to get into any of the negative stuff between these two fine programs. I just wanna mention that CC women give the best massages. It could be the twelve fingers. dammmmnnnn. I don’t care about either program but this is fun. Have you ever been to the Testicle Festival at the Tiro Tavern?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 8:43:39 GMT -5
dammmmnnnn. I don’t care about either program but this is fun. Have you ever been to the Testicle Festival at the Tiro Tavern? I have actually. Long time ago. Had a friend in college that was from Buckeye Central. He was wearing the shirt one day and I was making fun of him. He told me it was a real thing and I didn’t believe him. He took me to it in I believe 2007. Quite the crowd indeed |
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 11, 2018 8:55:41 GMT -5
Recruiting, HomeGrown, Transfers and Move-Ins are all very different terms. IMO... Recruiting by a school is when a member of the school staff actively engaged in trying to get a player to come play for their team. HomeGrown is when that teams players have been at that school since early elementary school. Transfers is when a player from another school changes schools without moving into the school district during their MS, JH or HS years. Move-Ins are players who move into the school district during their MS, JH or HS years. All my current & past arguments are based on my definitions above. And I don’t have a problem with any player changing schools. As it happens all the time. Not as much in rural areas as it does in the cities & suburbs. Crawford has benefitted from all of the above. I am not saying that it is wrong that they have benefitted. Crawford has had great success because of all the recruiting, transfers, move-ins & HomeGrown players. Wynford, Upper, Mohawk & Carey in basketball have played over the last many years with virtually all HomeGrown players. Upper has one player to move-in and the Crawford faithful conveniently forget when and how some of their best basketball players arrived at their school.
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Post by purefan on Dec 11, 2018 13:01:20 GMT -5
Some of you people have an incredibly loose definition of "bench area." The Upper celebration was smashed up against the wall mat at the end of the gym underneath the basket. The CC bench is up against the bleachers. How are they synonymous? You are correct. It started up against the wall area at cc end. It then quickly spread, just like adding kool-aid to water. 😁 You were there usramfan so unless you were one of the ones storming the floor or left immediatly you know how it was. |
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Post by purefan on Dec 11, 2018 13:06:19 GMT -5
And your point other than for me to do some smoking? All those kids were at cc well before high school. Keep reaching, eventually you’ll grab that rope. By the way i would invite everyone to go read last years n 10 thread. Starting on pg. 3 royallballdad has a lot of good info on all of cc “transfers”. If someone would like to move them all to here that would be sweet. My oh my how someone changes his tune in a years time. Good stuff. I’ll keep smoking it. Here's just one from rbdad on page 3: Agree not "Homegrown"
But Recruiting?
Shaum came because of where is Father lived.
Fenner came because of where is Mom & Dad work/Coach.
Feichtner as I stated could be the only kid of the 3, but his Mom & Grandma are CC alumni.
And he came to CC btw 6th 7 7th grade. The same with Shaum.
So again, where is this "CCC" and "Recruiting" issue coming from?
Just do not see any of this as Recruiting.
I am sure you can go through many of the area teams and find 2-5 kids
who changed schools in Middle & Junior High and aren't as you say "Homegrown".
Recruiting to me is when the players show up after Junior High or between 8th & 9th grade.
And it is easily deducted that they showed up for basketball.
And yes - the 9 I listed are all varsity players. Talk about a 180 Rbdad is right, someone's been drinking kool-aide. Anyone on Wynford play AAU ball? My friend (who knows things) told me Upper may be looking for a high scoring guard for their run to State next year. Mcreary dad and crall good buddies, he has tried in past to get crall to join his son. Don’t be shocked if it happens now that he feels he is in a better spot with what he considers more talent. Join crall and stone with upper then good possibilty of a state run. However if stone decides not to jump on board dont be surprised if mcreary elsewhere next year either. It could easily happen. |
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Post by royalballdad on Dec 11, 2018 13:27:58 GMT -5
Crall will not leave Wynford. Even as bad as I think this season could end up. He will graduate a Royal.
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Post by purefan on Dec 11, 2018 13:54:59 GMT -5
Crall will not leave Wynford. Even as bad as I think this season could end up. He will graduate a Royal. I hope you are correct |
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Post by Hagen on Dec 11, 2018 14:07:18 GMT -5
Some of you people have an incredibly loose definition of "bench area." The Upper celebration was smashed up against the wall mat at the end of the gym underneath the basket. The CC bench is up against the bleachers. How are they synonymous? You are correct. It started up against the wall area at cc end. It then quickly spread, just like adding kool-aid to water. 😁 You were there usramfan so unless you were one of the ones storming the floor or left immediatly you know how it was. I also was there, and I agree with usramfan. The celebration flowed towards the players at the far end of the court on the CC bench side of the floor, but on the opposite side of the bucket/FT lane (see previous video). However, US fans weren't exactly going Kool-Aid man knocking over the CC bench area (which the CC fans were behind) & tossing chairs into the air. I could argue that it was short-sighted and borderline dangerous for the CC coaches to rush their players to the locker room immediately after the game, as it was directly across the floor and on the other side of where the players/fans were celebrating. It may have been safer to have the CC players go back to their bench and wait it out for a moment, rather than have them "go through the eye of the storm." In no more than a minute after the shot, the US players/fans were in a circle back on their side of the court singing their alma mater, nowhere near the CC bench area. I don't think there is any way around it; Saturday was a bad look for the Vice President of the Ohio High School Basketball Coaches Association as he didn't attempt to shake the opposing coach's hand after the game, and his coaching staff may have put his players into harm's way. |
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Post by purefan on Dec 11, 2018 14:17:45 GMT -5
You are correct. It started up against the wall area at cc end. It then quickly spread, just like adding kool-aid to water. 😁 You were there usramfan so unless you were one of the ones storming the floor or left immediatly you know how it was. I also was there, and I agree with usramfan. The celebration flowed towards the players at the far end of the court on the CC bench side of the floor, but on the opposite side of the bucket/FT lane (see previous video). However, US fans weren't exactly going Kool-Aid man knocking over the CC bench area (which the CC fans were behind) & tossing chairs into the air. I could argue that it was short-sighted and borderline dangerous for the CC coaches to rush their players to the locker room immediately after the game, as it was directly across the floor and on the other side of where the players/fans were celebrating. It may have been safer to have the CC players go back to their bench and wait it out for a moment, rather than have them "go through the eye of the storm." In no more than a minute after the shot, the US players/fans were in a circle back on their side of the court singing their alma mater, nowhere near the CC bench area. I don't think there is any way around it; Saturday was a bad look for the Vice President of the Ohio High School Basketball Coaches Association as he didn't attempt to shake the opposing coach's hand after the game, and his coaching staff may have put his players into harm's way. I would of liked to see you make that split second decision in the heat of the moment. Keep bashing though. Maybe next time they can all sing kum-by -ah and drink koolaid together. Geez |
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Post by gibby23 on Dec 11, 2018 16:40:57 GMT -5
I know Coach Winslow would like to have his kids play for him at Upper, but I don't think it will happen, the boys mother wants them at St. Paul. I wonder if Coach Winslow would ever come to ST. Paul and coach his boys there? I know they would have to find him a job so it probably would never happen, and he would have to take a pay cut etc. etc. I know it will never happen it was just a thought. even though that is true, I’ve talked to the Winslow boys and they have not put the thought aside saying it is a very hard decision. Ultimately it is their decision if they move or not. Not their mothers. It would boost their career in tremendously. I think their mother has more say in this than you know, but I agree they would be much better off playing for their dad at Upper. |
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Post by dude on Dec 11, 2018 22:21:59 GMT -5
I would of liked to see you make that split second decision in the heat of the moment. Keep bashing though. Maybe next time they can all sing kum-by -ah and drink koolaid together. Geez A split second decision was made and your coach looks like classless because of it. |
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Post by purefan on Dec 11, 2018 23:02:59 GMT -5
I would of liked to see you make that split second decision in the heat of the moment. Keep bashing though. Maybe next time they can all sing kum-by -ah and drink koolaid together. Geez A split second decision was made and your coach looks like classless because of it. That’s your opinion, worth as much as all the other old trolls and cc bashers on here. Needless to say i have a totally different opinion because i was THERE and i personally would of done exact same thing under the circumstances, and before you accuse me of being classless look in the mirror dude. |
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