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Post by redskinfan04 on Jun 18, 2021 16:00:11 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not sure why they thought they would go back to 11-man football. Once you make the switch to the 8-man game it's hard to go back. I'm not knocking the decision because it appears it's the right choice long term for SMCC, but I guess they were overly optimistic about going back to 11-man football. I think you'll see a substantial number of schools around northwest Ohio make the transition to 8-man. Not all at once, but it'll happen. Not having 11 man football makes them less competitive on the market for perspective parents. If you’ve got a kid who’s a football player which are you going to pick? Perkins who has 11 man or are you going to pay for your kid to go to school where they don’t even play traditional football. IMO they had to at least try to get back to 11 man.
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Post by falcon87 on Jun 18, 2021 16:52:53 GMT -5
Trying to go 11 man and failing again while putting the 10 local schools on their schedule in the middle of their fail is more of a problem than simply staying with 8 man IMO
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 18, 2021 19:22:18 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not sure why they thought they would go back to 11-man football. Once you make the switch to the 8-man game it's hard to go back. I'm not knocking the decision because it appears it's the right choice long term for SMCC, but I guess they were overly optimistic about going back to 11-man football. I think you'll see a substantial number of schools around northwest Ohio make the transition to 8-man. Not all at once, but it'll happen. Not having 11 man football makes them less competitive on the market for perspective parents. If you’ve got a kid who’s a football player which are you going to pick? Perkins who has 11 man or are you going to pay for your kid to go to school where they don’t even play traditional football. IMO they had to at least try to get back to 11 man. If you've got a kid who is REALLY a football player why would you want to send them to a school who only has 15-20 kids out for football in all grades and thus does not have a JV or Freshman team?
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Post by sportsvideo on Jun 19, 2021 19:45:59 GMT -5
Not having 11 man football makes them less competitive on the market for perspective parents. If you’ve got a kid who’s a football player which are you going to pick? Perkins who has 11 man or are you going to pay for your kid to go to school where they don’t even play traditional football. IMO they had to at least try to get back to 11 man. If you've got a kid who is REALLY a football player why would you want to send them to a school who only has 15-20 kids out for football in all grades and thus does not have a JV or Freshman team? there may only be one or two teams in the SBC bay or River that have both a jv and frosh football team...
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 19, 2021 20:16:35 GMT -5
I said JV OR Freshman team
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Post by sbclives on Jun 19, 2021 22:04:55 GMT -5
Which teams in the Bay and River don’t have a JV team in most years? Just curious as I’ve been away from the area for a while.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Jun 20, 2021 8:34:17 GMT -5
Which teams in the Bay and River don’t have a JV team in most years? Just curious as I’ve been away from the area for a while. Most schools in the bay can field a combined squad every year. Outside of Huron fielding all three levels is hit or miss at the other schools in the bay. It’s a challenge many sports are facing as student interest in sports decreases across the board.
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Post by sportsvideo on Jun 20, 2021 10:44:15 GMT -5
Which teams in the Bay and River don’t have a JV team in most years? Just curious as I’ve been away from the area for a while. we didnt have a jv game last year with oak harbor or edison .. with edison its becoming a yearly thing..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 11:09:57 GMT -5
Edison has a long history of having Freshman teams for only the games they'll win. If I were Bay schools I'd always be looking for somebody else to play on Edison Saturday mornings, Regardless of what the SBC says is policy. Oak Harbor's JV teams could also be considered for pulling that crap too, I'd also find another replacement game for them, And don't care if the SBC doesn't like it.
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Post by areafan1 on Jun 20, 2021 19:32:32 GMT -5
St Joe didn't have JV last year. St Mary did make it very tough on the River teams to find anybody. Should kick SMCC out for good.
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Post by sbclives on Jun 20, 2021 21:14:03 GMT -5
Anyone think that SMCC should just go independent for all sports. They are just to much of a liability. Also with Edison’s enrollment would they be a good fit for the River Division? Not sure if anyone has brought that up or not.
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Post by crimsonblooded on Jun 20, 2021 21:28:22 GMT -5
Anyone think that SMCC should just go independent for all sports. They are just to much of a liability. Also with Edison’s enrollment would they be a good fit for the River Division? Not sure if anyone has brought that up or not. All sports? Absolutely not! Now football, fine. But they have wrestling but I think old fort and new riegel should!!!
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Post by edchambers on Jun 21, 2021 12:52:47 GMT -5
Anyone think that SMCC should just go independent for all sports. They are just to much of a liability. Also with Edison’s enrollment would they be a good fit for the River Division? Not sure if anyone has brought that up or not. Absolutely not. If Edison's enrollment patterns hold, it won't be too many years before they're bigger than Huron and Port Clinton.
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Post by runawaytrain on Jul 17, 2021 7:05:48 GMT -5
Looks like everyone but Gibsonburg found games to replace SMCC. Somehow Lakota got Toronto to come to them and Calvert got a home game with Rayland Buckeye Local. Each of those teams are on the OH River and will be almost four hour bus rides. Unreal. SJCC wasn’t so lucky and has to travel three hours to Conotton Valley.
Montpelier @ Margaretta Rayland Buckeye Local @ Calvert Toronto @ Lakota SJCC @ Bowerston Conotton Valley Cardinal Stritch @ Hopewell-Loudon Gisonburg ??
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Post by sbclives on Jul 17, 2021 10:00:12 GMT -5
I don’t understand why schools keep doing this to themselves. They know there’s a good chance SMCC will back out on them if they schedule them. From here on out there’s no way I’d put them on the schedule for future games. I also seen on another thread that New London is having problems with numbers and may not have a team. Imagine if that happened before the season started and 10 teams will now have a bye week.
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Post by runawaytrain on Jul 17, 2021 11:53:54 GMT -5
I don’t understand why schools keep doing this to themselves. They know there’s a good chance SMCC will back out on them if they schedule them. From here on out there’s no way I’d put them on the schedule for future games. I also seen on another thread that New London is having problems with numbers and may not have a team. Imagine if that happened before the season started and 10 teams will now have a bye week. [ I was not at all in favor of the league allowing SMCC back to an 11-man schedule so quickly. They should have been on at least a 2-year probation. I’m assuming both Calvert and Lakota had to give some financial incentive for those two teams to travel that far. Does SMCC pick those tabs up?
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Post by sbclives on Jul 17, 2021 14:45:55 GMT -5
There needs to be a penalty for this. These schools that are scrambling for a game now have to make massive trips which is a lot of gas and paying bus drivers. If you can’t find a game then the kids are sitting at home while everyone gets to have their games. It seems like every season this is an issue and some schools need to start being honest with theirselves about having football at all
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Post by runawaytrain on Jul 19, 2021 20:12:05 GMT -5
Well SMCC has joined the Northern 8 8-man league for ‘21 and ‘22, so everyone will have another open spot next year as well.
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Post by 1belowthepressbox on Jul 19, 2021 20:30:15 GMT -5
I don't know anything about the 8 man leagues. Is there a maximum roster number allowed to join the 8 man league?
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Post by falcon87 on Jul 19, 2021 20:52:32 GMT -5
Well SMCC has joined the Northern 8 8-man league for ‘21 and ‘22, so everyone will have another open spot next year as well. ‘22 will be a much easier fix for most than ‘21. I can’t imagine SMCC getting another opportunity to play 11 man in the River without “successfully” competing and completing an independent schedule for a couple of years first. If the River schools screw themselves again they’ll deserve the headache
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Post by sbclives on Jul 20, 2021 0:22:14 GMT -5
If I were any school I’d have a hard time ever scheduling SMCC again. It’s just not worth the headache trying to find last minute replacements. Are there any other schools in the area leagues who are very low on numbers with football players? I know there’s the New London rumors going around at the moment but we will see how that unfolds. If they cancel their season I really don’t see how the FC schools can replace that game last minute.
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Post by sbclives on Jul 20, 2021 2:21:37 GMT -5
Just read on another site that Vanlue is in need of a head coach for football with just 30 days before week one. Also it’s not looking good for them even having football with their lack of numbers which means there will be 10 more schools in search of games. I heard they fear if they cut football completely that’ll be it for the school district all together.
Now we have SMCC, New London and Vanlue who have put a lot schools in a bind when they knew things weren’t looking good for a while. If I were other schools I’d never forget the ones who pulled the plug and let everyone else hanging.
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Post by usramfan on Jul 20, 2021 7:46:16 GMT -5
Just read on another site that Vanlue is in need of a head coach for football with just 30 days before week one. Also it’s not looking good for them even having football with their lack of numbers which means there will be 10 more schools in search of games. I heard they fear if they cut football completely that’ll be it for the school district all together. Now we have SMCC, New London and Vanlue who have put a lot schools in a bind when they knew things weren’t looking good for a while. If I were other schools I’d never forget the ones who pulled the plug and let everyone else hanging. In the enrollment count from last fall, Vanlue had only 152 students in the entire district K-12. Six classes district-wide had 10 or fewer students and 5 of those were in the elementary (K-5). The biggest class was the 8th grade (upcoming freshmen) with 19 students. Vanlue also shares a treasurer with a neighboring district and I was told that if they never brought in another cent in revenue as of that moment - back in April - they would be able to last only another two years before some very tough decisions would need to be made.
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Post by falcon87 on Jul 20, 2021 9:22:35 GMT -5
Vanlue also shares a treasurer with a neighboring district and I was told that if they never brought in another cent in revenue as of that moment - back in April - they would be able to last only another two years before some very tough decisions would need to be made. ONLY ANOTHER TWO YEARS without new money is AWESOME. How much savings do you think an average district has? This is WHY they still exist, they have financial security. Sharing a treasurer is brilliant. How much work is there for 3 or 4 dozen employees plus another small district benefits. Much respect for Vanlue’s financial responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 11:54:02 GMT -5
Well SMCC has joined the Northern 8 8-man league for ‘21 and ‘22, so everyone will have another open spot next year as well. And the article in the register says they are holding out hope for 11 man in 2023... They are like Cousin Eddie holding out for the middle management position... Once they hit 8 man... They aren't coming back to 11 man
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Post by wetsu on Jul 20, 2021 16:02:50 GMT -5
Years ago Convoy Crestview dropped football only to have a change of heart after a while and sought to re-start the program. The Northwest Conference agreed to reinstate the program with one of the conditions being that Crestview would play a JV-only schedule for two years. It made sense for the kids to get some experience plus it would confirm that Crestview had a shot at sustaining the program. An approach like this applied to the SMCC situation could have saved a lot of hassle for all involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 18:53:44 GMT -5
Years ago Convoy Crestview dropped football only to have a change of heart after a while and sought to re-start the program. The Northwest Conference agreed to reinstate the program with one of the conditions being that Crestview would play a JV-only schedule for two years. It made sense for the kids to get some experience plus it would confirm that Crestview had a shot at sustaining the program. An approach like this applied to the SMCC situation could have saved a lot of hassle for all involved. If you’re a senior or even a junior why would you want to play jv? I understand the reasoning on the conference side, but there’s also the student-athlete side
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Post by fossywriter8 on Jul 20, 2021 20:38:55 GMT -5
Anyone think that SMCC should just go independent for all sports. They are just to much of a liability. Also with Edison’s enrollment would they be a good fit for the River Division? Not sure if anyone has brought that up or not. All sports? Absolutely not! Now football, fine. But they have wrestling but I think old fort and new riegel should!!! Why do you think Old Fort and New Riegel should go independent for sports? Neither has football, so they don't cause scheduling problems there. Both traditionally field very competitive teams in other boys and girls sports.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 20, 2021 21:36:03 GMT -5
Years ago Convoy Crestview dropped football only to have a change of heart after a while and sought to re-start the program. The Northwest Conference agreed to reinstate the program with one of the conditions being that Crestview would play a JV-only schedule for two years. It made sense for the kids to get some experience plus it would confirm that Crestview had a shot at sustaining the program. An approach like this applied to the SMCC situation could have saved a lot of hassle for all involved. If you’re a senior or even a junior why would you want to play jv? I understand the reasoning on the conference side, but there’s also the student-athlete side Because you REALLY love playing football. Playing JV is better than playing in your backyard.
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Post by dude on Jul 20, 2021 22:09:08 GMT -5
Years ago Convoy Crestview dropped football only to have a change of heart after a while and sought to re-start the program. The Northwest Conference agreed to reinstate the program with one of the conditions being that Crestview would play a JV-only schedule for two years. It made sense for the kids to get some experience plus it would confirm that Crestview had a shot at sustaining the program. An approach like this applied to the SMCC situation could have saved a lot of hassle for all involved. If you’re a senior or even a junior why would you want to play jv? I understand the reasoning on the conference side, but there’s also the student-athlete side Even if you are a senior but have never played high school football before, you ARE a jv player.
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