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Post by Vogel on Oct 3, 2021 12:07:04 GMT -5
Not the sole solution, but the defense has needed fixed for 15 years now. That's not a Johnny and Joe thing, it's a mental thing. Mindset, understanding concepts, etc. Willard football has had talent over the last 15 years. Norwalk football had talent from 1978-2008 they didn't go in a 30 year talent drought. It's mental.
I remember Willard coaches almost 15 years ago telling me that spread offenses can't be stopped. The game has changed since I played in 1999, now offenses are unstoppable. That football had changed and giving up 30+ ppg will be the norm because it's impossible to stop a spread offense. I rolled my eyes back then as I roll my eyes right now.
Shelby's juggernaut (13-1) team in 2017 during the regular season gave up 5.4 PPG. No, you don't have to give up 30+ ppg in today's game.
Willard now has a losing culture, with a losing mindset, losing techniques, losing habits. It's not an easy fix as this has gone on for so long and wasn't nipped in the bud within a year or 2 of developing.
I was at BGSU when Urban Meyer showed up in 2001. Urban was just an Assistant Coach from Notre Dame that BGSU signed as the Head Coach, completely unknown. Urban changed the culture instantly when he showed up and 30 players quit before the season started. Yep, he ran off 30 players from a 2-9 team. We were all wondering how that would work out. Pretty well, 8-3.
BGSU 2000 - 2-9 --- Urban gets hired and his culture change caused 30 players to quit, 18 in a single day. 2001 - 8-3 - Urban Meyer 2002 - 9-3 - Urban Meyer
BGSU -10.4 2000 PPG Differential +10.7 2001 PPG Differential - Urban 1st year Urban created a +21 change in PPG Differential from the previous year after the culture change.
Urban then leaves BGSU and goes to Utah that just went (5-6). Urban goes (10-2) in year 1 at Utah and (12-0) in year 2. Then Urban went to Florida and won 2 National Championships Then Urban went to Ohio State and won another National Championship
Urban understood how to create a winning culture in kids. We'll see how he does with ADULTS with families at home.
No, I don't recommend running off all the kids in High School. BGSU still had D-1 scholarship players even after other D-1 scholarship players quit.
Urban Meyer's 10-80-10 principle 10% - people who give their all, all the time 80% - people who show up and do their job but don't have the drive of the top 10% 10% - coach killers
Urban says the key to success is to get as many 80 percenters to move up and expand the top 10% into 15% or 20%. Urban said his 2014 NC Team had expanded to 30% at the top.
Urban doesn't waste time with the bottom 10%'s (and those are D-1 talent players) Urban doesn't spend much time with the top 10% as they are already motivated and good to go Urban spent most of his time on the 80%'s.
Here's what playing bad defense does to your record Most PPG Allowed - All the teams allowing 30+ PPG 48.4 - 2021 (0-7) 47.7 - 2019 (1-9) 43.4 - 2016 (1-9) 43.2 - 2015 (1-9) 41.6 - 2020 (0-11) 37.8 - 1997 (2-8) 37.2 - 2011 (2-8) 35.9 - 2014 (0-10) 33.1 - 2017 (3-7) 33.0 - 2008 (2-8) 32.7 - 1957 (1-8) 32.3 - 2013 (1-9) 31.8 - 1956 (0-9) 31.0 - 2007 (2-8)
Here's what playing ELITE defense does to your record Least PPG Allowed at Willard 4.1 - 1990 (11-1) NOL Champs 4.1 - 1935 (9-1) Little Big Five Runner-Up 4.7 - 1931 (9-1-1) Little Big Seven Runner-Up 6.4 - 1941 (5-1-2) Little Big Four Champs 7.6 - 1991 (8-2) NOL Champs 7.7 - 1950 (7-2) NOL Runner-Up 7.9 - 1989 (8-2) NOL Runner-Up
Shelby in 2017 gave up 5.4 in the regular season. So playing great defense can still be done.
The last time Willard gave up under 20 PPG was 2005. That's insane. Oh, and low and behold the 2005 team was the last Willard team to have a winning record 6-4.
PPG Allowed 28.8 - 1998 (3-7) 10.8 - 1999 (10-2) 20.6 - 2000 (4-6) 13.3 - 2001 (8-4) 14.1 - 2002 (10-2) 13.1 - 2003 (6-4) 20.0 - 2004 (3-7) 12.4 - 2005 (6-4) - last winning season and last time giving up less than 20 PPG 24.2 - 2006 (3-7) 31.0 - 2007 (2-8) 33.0 - 2008 (2-8) 27.4 - 2009 (3-7) 27.0 - 2010 (5-5) 37.2 - 2011 (2-8) 22.7 - 2012 (4-6)
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Post by Vogel on Oct 3, 2021 12:15:38 GMT -5
To expand on the 10-80-10 principle that I mentioned in the above post. Charlie Frye was a top 10% 1997 – Willard (2-8) with Charlie Frye at QB 1998 – Willard (3-7) with Charlie Frye at QB 1999 – Willard (10-2) with Charlie Frye at QB The Top 10% don't make or break a team. It's the 80%'s.
What changed from 1998 to 1999? Football is not an individual game, it’s a team game. Yes, you want the ball in your individual best players hands (Urban says that too) but they aren’t going to win without the other 10 players on the field doing their jobs. Step 1 – get the ball in your best players hand – (Roethlisburger only played 1 year of QB in HS. His coach put him at WR his junior year and the coach played his son at QB) Step 2 – you have to get the other 10 players to excel (10-80-10 principle – move some of that 80 up to expand the top 10)
Charlie Frye played QB, he didn’t play defense. 1997 – 37.8 ppg allowed 1998 – 28.8 ppg allowed 1999 – 10.8 ppg allowed ^^^ Charlie Frye didn’t fix the defense. The 80%'s fixed the defense with good leadership from coaches to expand the top 10% Our top 10% expanded in 1999 with more kids giving their all, all the time, without a coach needing to hold their hand.
The 1999 team set the school record for sacks in a season. Charlie Frye didn’t do that. The 1999 team had 6 shutouts, the school record is 7. Charlie Frye didn’t do that. The 1999 set the school record for most yards rushing in a season. Charlie Frye didn’t do that.
Willard since Hawkins has been allowing the 10-80-10 principle to remain 10-80-10 Willard under Hawkins had some 20-70-10 teams
Bob Haas was cranking out 20-70-10 teams on a regular basis Ed Nasonti at Bellevue regularly cranks out 20-70-10 teams
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Post by Vogel on Oct 3, 2021 12:24:44 GMT -5
10-80-10 on a roster with 40 kids 10% = 4 kids are good to go 20% = 8 kids are good to go 30% = 12 kids are good to go
If you can get to 8 kids that you don't really need to waste any time with all week because you know every Friday night they are going to execute and bring it, then that saves you valuable time to coach up those 80%'s to be ready on Friday night.
Willard has had Top 10%'s the last 15 years, every single team does every single year. Coaching hasn't expanded that top 10% to make 20% over the last 15 years.
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Oct 3, 2021 12:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 3, 2021 12:25:10 GMT -5
It starts at the top! The culture in the high school is not good, and I think you can pin that on the administration and to a lesser extent their hiring practices. I’m not talking about just the coaching hires either. I’m not going to get real specific, but I think the teachers need to be held to a higher standard in this school. My children went here and then a different school, and the differences in the way teachers interacted with students were night and day. Culture inside the building helps everything. Sports programs that require fewer athletes to be successful can overcome school wide culture easier than ones like football. I’m not saying it can’t be done, but it is much more difficult. Willard really needs to examine their hiring practices and try to make the teaching staff more reflective of the student body. They also need to raise the standards for the existing teachers. Stop blaming the community and start within the school! They also need to examine their hiring process for football coaches too. Every time they have an opening they bring in the same group of people to pick the next coach and they keep getting the same results. Go figure! As for the current coach, I actually think he is well organized and understands how to run a program. I think he made one critical mistake and that is the offense he has chosen to run. I believe he should be focused on running the ball and making first downs. He needs to control time of possession to make the scores closer and the current system doesn’t do that at all. As noted above, you must become competitive before you can win. Right now these kids are infected with “losers limp” and they’re not going to shake that until they believe they have a chance. They won’t believe they have a chance until they have closer games. As for ditching the SBC, that won’t fix anything right now. They have five non-conference games that they can schedule whoever they want. Find five opponents that they will have a chance against no matter how far you have to travel. That said, there are plenty of teams nearby to play too. In conclusion, soften the non-conference schedule as much as you can, run the ball, learn to compete and give this coach some time if he’s willing to do those things. Big picture, create a better culture within the school with more teacher accountability and future hiring practices. There are plenty of culture company’s that can help the current administration with this, and if they aren’t willing then we should consider new leadership for the school! I also want to be clear that I don’t think their current teachers are bad people, I just think they’re stuck in a terrible cultural rut. So you want to delay the development of the offense just to keep the score down? Not a wise decision imo. Whether you lose by 40 or 60 the kids are still aware their being hammered.
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Oct 3, 2021 12:36:12 GMT -5
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Post by erictrump on Oct 3, 2021 12:36:12 GMT -5
Here’s some easy questions that can be answered. When the season ends, do the kids do anything to prepare for the next season? Other than just weights, which it doesn’t seem like many kids go to any way. But are they going to skill camps? Is the QB getting his wide receivers together and throwing to them? Working on routes? Do they do any team camps in the summer? My guess is when the season ends, most of the kids don’t touch a football again until the following summer or do anything to get better.
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Post by crimson5 on Oct 3, 2021 13:18:26 GMT -5
A bunch of good input here. Reading everybody's input is insightful. Im certainly not in a position to make decisions or influence people (other than my son and his circle of friends), but ultimately I think the answers can be found in households...not classrooms. I disagree with Dude's disconnect" post, but appreciate his offering. As parents, a .500 season was optimism, especially when looking at our non conference schedule. Nonetheless, its not the 0-7 record that drove me to my original post, its the lack of competitiveness. I have a kid that is a senior, plays almost every snap on both sides of the ball, punts and returns kickoffs. I actually say this to myself every game at halftime..."should I be 30 minutes late for work and stay for the 2nd half, will my kid be upset with me, God I hope he doesn't play much in the 2nd half cause I dont want him getting hurt for basketball". Thats crazy! Maybe I'm part of the problem. Have I 2nd guessed coaches, sure. Do I think it has an impact on how he runs his program, absolutely not.
I think the answers to my original question are very complicated and plentiful. All of you have probably touched on parts of them.
Ultimately, the biggest change has to happen around the dinner table, not the lunch room table.
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2021 13:26:34 GMT -5
I agree, it is found in "households", exactly were the parental optimism can be found. So you did get my point.
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Post by crimson5 on Oct 3, 2021 13:34:39 GMT -5
I agree, it is found in "households", exactly were the parental optimism can be found. So you did get my point. I got your point. But you / me shouldn't draw the conclusion that parental optimism leads to excusing hard work, discipline, promptness, etc......it doesn't in my household. Parental optimism, or disconnect with the administration as you called it, has little to do with results on the field. Atleast in my world.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 13:41:01 GMT -5
If all our sports teams struggled then your “ blame the teachers and their culture “ might be relevant. But our other sports teams are doing pretty well. So your argument doesn’t seem to hold much consistency if you look at the Athletic Dept on the whole. It seems to be pretty football specific with the non competitive issues. I blamed the administration and their culture not the teachers. The teachers are just stuck in that muck! How are we doing academically?(worst in the area) Besides basketball (which takes the least amount of kids per class to be successful) what other sports are consistently competing for league championships? Football requires the largest number of athletes and therefore is most affected by the larger school culture. I also mentioned that the team is infected with losers limp which means they expect to loose. This is why I suggested the running offense to slowly get these scores closer and eventually start winning. As adults we may think a loss is a loss, but these kids definitely feel a difference between losing by 35-40 vs 7-14 points. There are several examples of this in the area, but I think Lucas would be the best one to look at. They were the bottom team in NCC every year, but found an offense that allowed them to slowly become more competitive. They’re now one of the best small school programs in the state and still running the same offense. New London from about 10 years ago would be an even more relevant example of this too. They became competitive for a few years because of a scheme change from a passing offense. They went back to an all passing attack and now they don’t even have an 11 man team. You’ve mentioned on here that you’ve been a part of the hiring process so I would suggest that instead of getting defensive that you actually listen to what others have to say, look into it, and consider it in future decisions. I don’t know you and I’m not attacking you. I am simply trying to give my perspective to the question that was asked.
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Post by erictrump on Oct 3, 2021 13:44:22 GMT -5
If all our sports teams struggled then your “ blame the teachers and their culture “ might be relevant. But our other sports teams are doing pretty well. So your argument doesn’t seem to hold much consistency if you look at the Athletic Dept on the whole. It seems to be pretty football specific with the non competitive issues. I blamed the administration and their culture not the teachers. The teachers are just stuck in that muck! How are we doing academically?(worst in the area) Besides basketball (which takes the least amount of kids per class to be successful) what other sports are consistently competing for league championships? Football requires the largest number of athletes and therefore is most affected by the larger school culture. I also mentioned that the team is infected with losers limp which means they expect to loose. This is why I suggested the running offense to slowly get these scores closer and eventually start winning. As adults we may think a loss is a loss, but these kids definitely feel a difference between losing by 35-40 vs 7-14 points. There are several examples of this in the area, but I think Lucas would be the best one to look at. They were the bottom team in NCC every year, but found an offense that allowed them to slowly become more competitive. They’re now one of the best small school programs in the state and still running the same offense. New London from about 10 years ago would be an even more relevant example of this too. They became competitive for a few years because of a scheme change from a passing offense. They went back to an all passing attack and now they don’t even have an 11 man team. You’ve mentioned on here that you’ve been a part of the hiring process so I would suggest that instead of getting defensive that you actually listen to what others have to say, look into it, and consider it in future decisions. I don’t know you and I’m not attacking you. I am simply trying to give my perspective to the question that was asked. You say you’re just trying to give your perspective but it doesn’t feel like any real solutions, just your way to complain about the administration for some unknown reason. The administration has nothing to do with this situation.
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Post by buckeyekid on Oct 3, 2021 13:49:35 GMT -5
bandit--if the admin culture is at fault for the football program currently-----are they responsible for the Girls Tennis success? are they responsible for the CC success ? are they responsible for the boys and girls hoops teams success ? Track team success. See my point ? You cannot be serious in blaming them for one sport while excluding the success we're having in the others I mentioned. I don't feel attacked, I just think your argument is clearly flawed.
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Post by pendulum on Oct 3, 2021 13:56:24 GMT -5
If all our sports teams struggled then your “ blame the teachers and their culture “ might be relevant. But our other sports teams are doing pretty well. So your argument doesn’t seem to hold much consistency if you look at the Athletic Dept on the whole. It seems to be pretty football specific with the non competitive issues. I blamed the administration and their culture not the teachers. The teachers are just stuck in that muck! How are we doing academically?(worst in the area) Besides basketball (which takes the least amount of kids per class to be successful) what other sports are consistently competing for league championships? Football requires the largest number of athletes and therefore is most affected by the larger school culture. I also mentioned that the team is infected with losers limp which means they expect to loose. This is why I suggested the running offense to slowly get these scores closer and eventually start winning. As adults we may think a loss is a loss, but these kids definitely feel a difference between losing by 35-40 vs 7-14 points. There are several examples of this in the area, but I think Lucas would be the best one to look at. They were the bottom team in NCC every year, but found an offense that allowed them to slowly become more competitive. They’re now one of the best small school programs in the state and still running the same offense. New London from about 10 years ago would be an even more relevant example of this too. They became competitive for a few years because of a scheme change from a passing offense. They went back to an all passing attack and now they don’t even have an 11 man team. You’ve mentioned on here that you’ve been a part of the hiring process so I would suggest that instead of getting defensive that you actually listen to what others have to say, look into it, and consider it in future decisions. I don’t know you and I’m not attacking you. I am simply trying to give my perspective to the question that was asked. As a coach in a different sport at Willard I have never felt my program is being held back by the administration or culture. I feel they have given me all the tools we need to be successful, especially the past two seasons as we fight through the unknowns of competing in a pandemic. I would also be interested in hearing about your football coaching history for you to think you have any clue what offense they should and should not be running. In my limited opinion, the previous coaching staff was brutally, horrifically bad, which compounded on the struggles that were already in place. I have no idea if the current staff is good, bad or mediocre, but it will take significant time to dig out of the immense hole they took over.
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Post by crimson5 on Oct 3, 2021 14:08:40 GMT -5
Nothing more important to solving a complicated problem than 1) listening...as Steven Covey said..."seek to understand before being understood".
Not all input is spot on, but there is value in all all input.
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Post by wetsu on Oct 3, 2021 16:36:44 GMT -5
If you're getting drilled every week it's hard to expect success or even recognize improvement, regardless of how small, when it does occur. Players expect bad things to happen in that atmosphere. The game is no longer fun, enthusiasm dies.
I recall a few examples of coaches who took dramatic steps in order to build a program. I'm originally from Sandusky and remember when Tony Kijanko took over at Castalia Margaretta. Kijanko played tackle at BGSU and then the Browns so he was no stranger to tough football. He implemented a flag football program in the junior high level and everyone was encouraged to play, girls included. Numbers swelled and kids had fun. He was able to get Margaretta over the .500 mark before moving on. He was replaced by Dana Woodring who had the most successful tenure of any MHS coach.
Joe Metzger at Arlington did a similar thing. Arlington has long been a strong program but Metzger wanted a more inclusive system and the flag football again paid off.
Some of the schools in the MAC started flag football programs for the same reasons in order to avoid being pummeled. Even the lower-tier teams in the MAC give their OOC opponents fits. Certainly the Coldwaters and St. Henrys of the world didn't need to do this but a few benefitted handsomely.
Perhaps a simple fix that is not necessarily easy. Will the community embrace such a move? Is it possible to run a flag football program alongside an existing full contact program at the same grade levels? Maybe there is a need to implement flag football at the upper elementary level.
As dire as things appear to be in Willard it takes a bold move to reverse the fortunes but implementing something that increases enthusiasm and numbers and actually makes kids associate football with fun might be worth a try.
My 2 cents, keep the change.
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Oct 3, 2021 18:23:06 GMT -5
Post by dude on Oct 3, 2021 18:23:06 GMT -5
I agree, it is found in "households", exactly were the parental optimism can be found. So you did get my point. I got your point. But you / me shouldn't draw the conclusion that parental optimism leads to excusing hard work, discipline, promptness, etc......it doesn't in my household. Parental optimism, or disconnect with the administration as you called it, has little to do with results on the field. Atleast in my world. The disconnect I speak is is with reality. It has been my experience that when a parent thinks their kid is already an all star they star looking for other reasons for failure. Willard fans always have a hi level of optimism even when there is nothing to support it. As I said I have fun with it on this site, but the fact that coaches have short terms before not being renewed can show where the blame is given. It can happen all over. Unfortunately the sport we are talking about requires a high volume of talented and disciplined players and parents. Other sports can be successful with much smaller numbers. I do agree with reading some of the responses to your question. Many good comments and opinions.
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Oct 3, 2021 19:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by jvchesster on Oct 3, 2021 19:50:26 GMT -5
Willard has a lot of issues as many of you have pointed out. A parent claiming a .500 season is not the problem. Lol. Vogel is right. They need more kids to buy in. Football takes a lot of kids to be competitive. But those players also need to be led and shown what hard work and dedication is. Just bc a kid doesn’t get shown that at home doesn’t mean they incapable of being a hard working dedicated player. A lot of pro athletes didn’t have a parent that led a good example. Urban himself recruited some of these payers and did quite well.
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Oct 3, 2021 21:32:13 GMT -5
Post by dude on Oct 3, 2021 21:32:13 GMT -5
A lot of pro athletes didn’t have a parent that led a good example. Urban himself recruited some of these payers and did quite well. Exactly, they did not have a parent at home telling them how great they were. OR at least telling them they were better than they really were.
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Oct 3, 2021 23:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by usramfan on Oct 3, 2021 23:48:26 GMT -5
The last few pages of comments have been pretty interesting.
Getting kids to buy into a rebuild is a hard sell because they often will be graduated by the time the results come to fruition and so, won't get to reap the benefits.
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Post by sbclives on Oct 4, 2021 0:29:56 GMT -5
Also in today’s world no one is willing to wait 4-5 years to see if the building and culture has changed. Most of the time patience has been lost by year three and bring in someone else and the hole just keeps getting deeper.
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Post by bat21 on Oct 4, 2021 8:51:30 GMT -5
Rebuilding can and will takes years ... not a year. The goal is steps of improvement each year. Unfortunately the damage done last year ... by that staff ... will be felt for awhile. I wish Coach Speller the best of luck and what ever patience he may need to go forward.
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 4, 2021 9:38:34 GMT -5
I have some good fun with it on here, but to give my two cents on the question. When the parents/fans are saying 7-3 but the kids are producing 0-10, there is a complete disconnect somewhere. I'm not saying those numbers are exact but it makes my point. Willard fans live a lot in the past and it feels that today's kids have more done FOR them now then ever before. For me football took discipline, commitment, toughness, lots of work, skill and athletics. Mostly in that order. I think many kids today lack discipline, toughness and commitment. Most parents I know and talked to said they would win one maybe 2 games, ppl that post on here are a very small number compared to the whole. Nobody’s living in the past, we all understand we are in a nuclear wasteland. Even those that deny this post wise know we done messed up big time years ago and may never recover. Parents see their kids fighting thru this with no results on the scoreboard and it breaks their hearts. I can’t blame them.
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Post by dude on Oct 4, 2021 10:08:20 GMT -5
I have some good fun with it on here, but to give my two cents on the question. When the parents/fans are saying 7-3 but the kids are producing 0-10, there is a complete disconnect somewhere. I'm not saying those numbers are exact but it makes my point. Willard fans live a lot in the past and it feels that today's kids have more done FOR them now then ever before. For me football took discipline, commitment, toughness, lots of work, skill and athletics. Mostly in that order. I think many kids today lack discipline, toughness and commitment. Most parents I know and talked to said they would win one maybe 2 games, ppl that post on here are a very small number compared to the whole. Nobody’s living in the past, we all understand we are in a nuclear wasteland. Even those that deny this post wise know we done messed up big time years ago and may never recover. Parents see their kids fighting thru this with no results on the scoreboard and it breaks their hearts. I can’t blame them. I'm sure you are probably correct in your remarks but I only speak of the ones posting on this site. It is regular on here that some parents post about the expected success of their kid's team when there is nothing that would support it. And most times the excuses are the coaching staff and their decisions. Maybe living in the past is incorrect, but the past records are mentioned many times during a season when things are not going well. There is a specific basketball coach that gets mentioned numerous times each season on how he would have handled it, in stead of the way it was done. Willard may go 10-0 next season or 0-10, it has no affect on my day. I just love talking sports. BUT, when a parent makes a statement "this team has the tools to win" about an 0-10 team, they are clearly pointing a finger. For me success can only start at home. Like buckeyekid has commented, when looking at all sports the admins get a lot of credit. I don't blame a parent when their kid is not good enough to win.
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Post by erictrump on Oct 4, 2021 11:12:17 GMT -5
You would also think that at the end of a season, the players that will be returning the following year, will say to themselves “Screw this, I’m not letting this continue to happen” and would bust their ***** to ensure it doesn’t. You’d think they would have some drive to make things better, get their teammates to work harder, get to the weight room, do whatever they can to turn it around. It doesn’t appear that they do that, at least the results don’t show it year after year. From the outside it looks more like when the season ends, they just forget about football until the following August rolls around.
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Post by Whittaker on Oct 4, 2021 13:49:08 GMT -5
I've never seen a bad high school program, in any sport, that can't be turned around by a good coach. And it goes both ways. A good program can be dismantled by a bad coach.
I will say that the coach needs to have the reasonable support of the administration in assistant coaches, weight rooms and such.
The time frame for evaluating a coach doesn't need to be long. Two years is plenty. Taking over a truly bad program, there should be obvious improvement by the end of year two.
Poor school culture, unsupportive parents, and weak middle school programs have a minor impact but a good head coach will improve a bad program despite those things.
In football, great head coaches win everywhere and good head coaches are competitive everywhere.
Its a cop-out to blame the kids. Every school, except the super-small, have the talent to be competitive.
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Post by jvchesster on Oct 4, 2021 15:17:04 GMT -5
A lot of pro athletes didn’t have a parent that led a good example. Urban himself recruited some of these payers and did quite well. Exactly, they did not have a parent at home telling them how great they were. OR at least telling them they were better than they really were. How the hell do you know what goes on in those homes?
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Post by ScarletFever on Oct 4, 2021 15:26:06 GMT -5
Without Facebook this platforms gonna blow up welcome new members
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Post by buckeyekid on Oct 4, 2021 15:52:13 GMT -5
Free coupon for a breaded veal sandwich and Onion rings at Lee's Drive to the 1000th new member??
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Post by sbclives on Oct 4, 2021 17:30:47 GMT -5
Honest question for the Willard athletics followers. When do you think this downfall in football started?
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Post by buckeyekid on Oct 4, 2021 18:04:16 GMT -5
As we started losing enrollment in the mid 2008-2010 imo . Though a few feel it happened when Chris Hawkins was not renewed .
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Post by falcon87 on Oct 4, 2021 18:06:50 GMT -5
Exactly, they did not have a parent at home telling them how great they were. OR at least telling them they were better than they really were. How the hell do you know what goes on in those homes? Youth coaches, community members and those looking to roll in someone else’s success provide more of the “greatest since sliced bread” nonsense than any kid can digest. It’s the nature of athletics. Good parents and good coaches can be challenged by these forces. Point is, it’s not always parents.
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