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Oct 4, 2021 18:53:23 GMT -5
Post by dude on Oct 4, 2021 18:53:23 GMT -5
Exactly, they did not have a parent at home telling them how great they were. OR at least telling them they were better than they really were. How the hell do you know what goes on in those homes? I don't, but who the he11 cares. There was a question asked and opinions were wanted on potentially why your team has gone 1-27 over the last 3 years. 16-76 over the last 10 years. What I point out is happening all over.
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Oct 4, 2021 18:59:55 GMT -5
Post by dude on Oct 4, 2021 18:59:55 GMT -5
How the hell do you know what goes on in those homes? Youth coaches, community members and those looking to roll in someone else’s success provide more of the “greatest since sliced bread” nonsense than any kid can digest. It’s the nature of athletics. Good parents and good coaches can be challenged by these forces. Point is, it’s not always parents. I can agree with that. I started my posts by saying parents/fans but I guess it evolved into parents only.
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Oct 4, 2021 19:57:38 GMT -5
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Post by jvchesster on Oct 4, 2021 19:57:38 GMT -5
How the hell do you know what goes on in those homes? I don't, but who the he11 cares. There was a question asked and opinions were wanted on potentially why your team has gone 1-27 over the last 3 years. 16-76 over the last 10 years. What I point out is happening all over. Parents should build up their kids, encourage hard work and support their coaches. Coaches should run efficient practices and workouts by drilling fundamentals and game plans effectively. Build discipline by demanding them to be held accountable to proper techniques and practices. The drills they do and the way they do them is vital. Get in as many workouts and practices as the law allows. Coaches should also be actively learning and getting better by going to college practices and clinics to continually improve their standards and knowledge. IMO, Administration should hold coaches responsible to these standards. I know the successful coaches in Willard do these things and I’m sure I’m missing some other characteristics but has Willard football done at least that the last three years ? My guess is no but I could be mistaken.
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Oct 4, 2021 20:40:23 GMT -5
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Post by erictrump on Oct 4, 2021 20:40:23 GMT -5
I don't, but who the he11 cares. There was a question asked and opinions were wanted on potentially why your team has gone 1-27 over the last 3 years. 16-76 over the last 10 years. What I point out is happening all over. Parents should build up their kids, encourage hard work and support their coaches. Coaches should run efficient practices and workouts by drilling fundamentals and game plans effectively. Build discipline by demanding them to be held accountable to proper techniques and practices. The drills they do and the way they do them is vital. Get in as many workouts and practices as the law allows. Coaches should also be actively learning and getting better by going to college practices and clinics to continually improve their standards and knowledge. IMO, Administration should hold coaches responsible to these standards. I know the successful coaches in Willard do these things and I’m sure I’m missing some other characteristics but has Willard football done at least that the last three years ? My guess is no but I could be mistaken. What are the players doing during the months in between seasons? Are they doing anything to become better? Like I mentioned in an earlier post, my hunch is that for a high majority of the Willard kids, when one season ends, they don’t do one thing to become better until the next season starts.
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Oct 4, 2021 20:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by jvchesster on Oct 4, 2021 20:47:08 GMT -5
Parents should build up their kids, encourage hard work and support their coaches. Coaches should run efficient practices and workouts by drilling fundamentals and game plans effectively. Build discipline by demanding them to be held accountable to proper techniques and practices. The drills they do and the way they do them is vital. Get in as many workouts and practices as the law allows. Coaches should also be actively learning and getting better by going to college practices and clinics to continually improve their standards and knowledge. IMO, Administration should hold coaches responsible to these standards. I know the successful coaches in Willard do these things and I’m sure I’m missing some other characteristics but has Willard football done at least that the last three years ? My guess is no but I could be mistaken. What are the players doing during the months in between seasons? Are they doing anything to become better? Like I mentioned in an earlier post, my hunch is that for a high majority of the Willard kids, when one season ends, they don’t do one thing to become better until the next season starts. I have no clue. To my limited knowledge this is the first offseason where several football players hit the weights hard. HC was living elsewhere until the end of last school year.
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Post by dude on Oct 4, 2021 21:23:26 GMT -5
I don't, but who the he11 cares. There was a question asked and opinions were wanted on potentially why your team has gone 1-27 over the last 3 years. 16-76 over the last 10 years. What I point out is happening all over. Parents should build up their kids, encourage hard work and support their coaches. Coaches should run efficient practices and workouts by drilling fundamentals and game plans effectively. Build discipline by demanding them to be held accountable to proper techniques and practices. The drills they do and the way they do them is vital. Get in as many workouts and practices as the law allows. Coaches should also be actively learning and getting better by going to college practices and clinics to continually improve their standards and knowledge. IMO, Administration should hold coaches responsible to these standards. I know the successful coaches in Willard do these things and I’m sure I’m missing some other characteristics but has Willard football done at least that the last three years ? My guess is no but I could be mistaken. My guess is you are mistaken about a lot of things.
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Post by Vogel on Oct 5, 2021 8:34:37 GMT -5
Parents should build up their kids, encourage hard work and support their coaches. Coaches should run efficient practices and workouts by drilling fundamentals and game plans effectively. Build discipline by demanding them to be held accountable to proper techniques and practices. The drills they do and the way they do them is vital. Get in as many workouts and practices as the law allows. Coaches should also be actively learning and getting better by going to college practices and clinics to continually improve their standards and knowledge. IMO, Administration should hold coaches responsible to these standards. I know the successful coaches in Willard do these things and I’m sure I’m missing some other characteristics but has Willard football done at least that the last three years ? My guess is no but I could be mistaken. What are the players doing during the months in between seasons? Are they doing anything to become better? Like I mentioned in an earlier post, my hunch is that for a high majority of the Willard kids, when one season ends, they don’t do one thing to become better until the next season starts. 10-80-10 principle - Only 10% are going to naturally do that. As Urban says, it's up to the COACH to get as many as possible of the 80%ers to move up into the top 10%ers It's the coaches fault if kids aren't working out in the offseason. Not the kids. It's up to the coaches to create an environment where it's expected. Discipline/Reward Too much Discipline / too little reward - fail Little Discipline / too much reward - fail Balance of Discipline at the right time / reward at the right time - Success ^^^ Great coaches know the balance. Bad coaches screw the balance up Why did players do it for Bob Haas but not for Mike Lillo? Why did players do it for Chris Hawkins but not for Kade Long? Chris Hawkins was hired in the Spring of 1999. Now how in the world was he able to transform a 3-7 team into a 10-2 team by the fall of 1999? How in the world did he have us with just a handful of summer workouts be able to go to the Akron University 7 on 7 and win it? We beat Wadsworth in the Championship game. Wadsworth went 10-2 that year in D2. Hawkins implemented an entirely new offense and defense and with just a few summer workouts we rolled into Akron and won a Championship. How in the world was he able to have us scrimmage Perkins (15-0 D4 State Champs) to a 6-6 tie with just a couple weeks worth of practices? We are talking about a team that was 3-7 the year before. Let me guess, those 3-7 players magically became elite and were able to grasp an entire new offense and defense in just a few days. Players did it all by themselves? Nope. Hawkins handed us playbooks, he handed us workout sheets. He told us we better know the playbook and we better be in shape on day 1. He commanded respect without being a jerk and WE knew his track record at Wynford so we bought in. If we didn't buy in and went 5-5 we'd have put Hawkins behind the 8 ball, then after a 4-6 2000 season he might have lost command and not succeeded at Willard. You have to get kids to buy in quick. Then those players need to start seeing some kind of results rather soon. This is why I said on that other thread that Speller better have these kids buying in or these losses that are pilling up will be too much to overcome. Kids who did buy in initially will stop buying in if results don't start showing up. It doesn't have to happen in year 1. But if players can't see improvement by the end of year 2, by year 3 kids will not buy into what a coach is telling them.
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Post by dude on Oct 5, 2021 9:05:21 GMT -5
Did Charlie Frye have something to do with the 1999 turn around?
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Oct 5, 2021 9:52:15 GMT -5
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Post by pendulum on Oct 5, 2021 9:52:15 GMT -5
Did Charlie Frye have something to do with the 1999 turn around? Charlie Frye was the quarterback of the 3-7 team as well. That ‘99 team was LOADED with talent. There’s no denying that. But the exact same talent was there the year before and went 3-7. And Hawkins record of turning other horrific programs around before and after Willard shows he can claim a huge part of the turnaround at Willard. No one will confuse what Willard currently has for the ‘98 roster that went 3-7. Speller isn’t going 10-2 next year no matter what he does. But he should be able to make a meaningful impact next year if he’s doing his job well. But as I said above, I believe the last staff was so incredibly horrific it’s going to take years to see major results in turning around the record.
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Oct 5, 2021 11:48:16 GMT -5
Post by dude on Oct 5, 2021 11:48:16 GMT -5
Did Charlie Frye have something to do with the 1999 turn around? Charlie Frye was the quarterback of the 3-7 team as well. That ‘99 team was LOADED with talent. There’s no denying that. But the exact same talent was there the year before and went 3-7. And Hawkins record of turning other horrific programs around before and after Willard shows he can claim a huge part of the turnaround at Willard. No one will confuse what Willard currently has for the ‘98 roster that went 3-7. Speller isn’t going 10-2 next year no matter what he does. But he should be able to make a meaningful impact next year if he’s doing his job well. But as I said above, I believe the last staff was so incredibly horrific it’s going to take years to see major results in turning around the record. I am not taking anything away from Hawkins at all. My question was only to confirm it was Frye. Did he also QB the 1997 team as a soph?
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 6, 2021 20:39:42 GMT -5
I know I'm not the voice many want to hear because I poke at the Willard folks, but I'll add a tangential point that stands out to me amidst these discussions.
It's easy to blame the culture of kids today who don't want to work as hard to achieve gains that were similarly done in most of our eras, the 1980-2010 range. This is true, people only have to look at the sidelines at football games to see the lower numbers. However, this isn't a Willard-specific problem. It's countrywide. And to the kids' credit, how could you not? There are too many stories of individuals staking out their own efforts in their own interests over the past decade that have seen fruits for their efforts. Streaming video games, individuals who built their careers via novel computer efforts, etc. There were a few students I interacted with at Shelby in the 2020-2021 school year as a sub that showed great promise in other fields that could wind up being more lucrative than sports. It isn't a one-to-one relationship between students unwilling to work for the hardest sport available and those who achieve nothing. I know kids who were involved in zero school clubs/teams who showed a great propensity in their personal pursuits. Having graduated in 2011, I would say those opportunities for some of these personal pursuits are more plentiful and more easily accessible than what my peers were doing in my high school days. This is not a bad thing. Granted, we are left with individuals who claim this avenue who go on to put no boots to the ground to enhance their opportunities, but that happened in my day in 2011. It isn't as if Willard is the only school in our area who experiences this.
I think coaching is an incredibly strong vector for success. People like subject matter experts. They show a passion and patience from their experience. They exhibit knowledge. To high schoolers, such individuals still remain paramount. To my previous paragraph, it is easier for high schoolers to find like-minded folks in their passions. Why dig into a football season when you can go onto YouTube or other online platforms and find a world of resources for your hobbies? This is a trend that is inescapable for our age. I don't think it's all that bad. Reasonably, it makes sense that football has a higher threshold to entry based on the injury factor. People still crave leaders. They will find them where it is most present. For Willard, it seems it hasn't been there. The rotisserie of football coaches is a hint towards it. As discussed, other Willardian sports have shown moderate to enviable successes. Students follow leaders where they are present.
Shelby got a jump-start to the Renaissance we are in due to the 2017 football team. Excellent team across all fronts. I ponder the effect that any potential leadership those seniors imparted on the younger kids. It happened when I was a freshman. We had a surly group of seniors (my brother amongst them), but they had some intelligent kids at the top of the athletes. They knew how to haze us (appropriately), but they also knew how to teach and guide us. That cycle is important as well. One senior who hazed me the hardest when I was a freshman (in fun jest) went to West Point. You could see he gave a damn, even if he liked to rag on us, or in my case, getting hurled against the lockers on occasion. This cycle can break quite easily if the leading group of seniors aren't up to snuff in this leadership qualities. It can be reset as easily if another group of kids have put in the hours to develop their passion. My class would often harken the attitudes that our seniors taught us. We had a pretty successful sports year as a senior despite a weaker athletic group as compared to many recent Shelby years. We felt nothing towards the two grades ahead of us, and their leadership qualities were not exhibited in athletics vs other areas in the school environment.
The entire Willard football situation is built on a confluence of complicated, opaque variables. No one says no to having a great football team, but the lack of it has happened in Willard more than most teams since 2010. There are no concrete offerings for how to fix it, but culture is the biggest mystery that folks are searching for. Look at GE, you lose your Jack Welch, and you may lose your direction. This is a time-old tale. It's blasting in Willard's face right now.
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Post by buckeyekid on Oct 7, 2021 5:07:34 GMT -5
Very Good post SHELBY RR. Lot's of truth. Lack of enough athlete leaders does hurt your chances at being successful . Hoops needs just 2-3 to make a decent team. We've had more than that for the past 4 years both boys and girls teams.
Football needs 6-7 to make a decent team. We haven't had that between the move outs, the transfers, and the didn't go outs . It takes coaching to succeed,,but with out enough athletes to go with it--it's pretty tough to succeed. Point being ---we need almost every kid in our district who can make a difference,,to be a difference.
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Post by Vogel on Oct 7, 2021 8:53:51 GMT -5
1997 - 2-8 Charlie Frye the QB 1998 - 2-7 Charlie Frye the QB - 1-0 when Frye was out with a concussion 1999 - 10-2 Charlie Frye the QB
1997 - 37.8 ppg allowed 1998 - 28.8 ppg allowed 1999 - 9.6 ppg allowed in regular season (apples to apples with the previous 2 seasons)
The jump from 3-7 to 10-2 wasn't Charlie Frye, he was already on the team when we went 3-7 and was already putting up #'s The jump from 3-7 to 10-2 was a culture change on the defensive side of the field.
The 1999 Willard team had 6 shutouts (7 is the school record) The 1999 Willard team set the school record for sacks in a season (42) The 1999 Willard team held Bellevue to NEGATIVE 30 yards rushing in our 13-0 win over them in the playoffs The 1999 Willard team held Shelby to 74 total yards (Shelby made the playoffs that year at 7-3) The 1999 Willard team set the school record for fumble recoveries
In 1999 if we would have played defense like we did in 1998 we'd have been a 5-5 team even with our explosive offense. Example: In 1998 we rolled up 541 yards (294 pass, 247 rush) on Norwalk AND STILL LOST BY 20. Norwalk ran for 340 yards and threw for 251 on 12 of 14 passing In 1999 vs Norwalk we rolled up 487 yards (153 pass, 334 rush) and won by 34. Held Norwalk to 36 yards rushing on 34 carries and just 9 of 25 passing
Urban Meyer's keys to success #1 - get the ball in your best players hands #2 - get as many of the 80 percenters to become top 10 percenters as to expand that 10% to 20+%
In 1999 we had an expanded top 10%. A lot of us were doing sprints, 400 meter runs, etc without coaches around. <--- But the expansion came from the LEADERSHIP of Coach Hawkins. Urban Meyer says a team will naturally be 10-80-10, it's the coaches job to expand that top 10% by working with the 80%. Bob Haas got this out of kids every single year, that's why he's a Legend in Willard.
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Post by tchldad on Oct 7, 2021 9:44:21 GMT -5
1997 - 2-8 Charlie Frye the QB 1998 - 2-7 Charlie Frye the QB - 1-0 when Frye was out with a concussion 1999 - 10-2 Charlie Frye the QB 1997 - 37.8 ppg allowed 1998 - 28.8 ppg allowed 1999 - 9.6 ppg allowed in regular season (apples to apples with the previous 2 seasons) The jump from 3-7 to 10-2 wasn't Charlie Frye, he was already on the team when we went 3-7 and was already putting up #'s The jump from 3-7 to 10-2 was a culture change on the defensive side of the field. The 1999 Willard team had 6 shutouts (7 is the school record) The 1999 Willard team set the school record for sacks in a season (42) The 1999 Willard team held Bellevue to NEGATIVE 30 yards rushing in our 13-0 win over them in the playoffs The 1999 Willard team held Shelby to 74 total yards (Shelby made the playoffs that year at 7-3) The 1999 Willard team set the school record for fumble recoveries In 1999 if we would have played defense like we did in 1998 we'd have been a 5-5 team even with our explosive offense. Example: In 1998 we rolled up 541 yards (294 pass, 247 rush) on Norwalk AND STILL LOST BY 20. Norwalk ran for 340 yards and threw for 251 on 12 of 14 passing In 1999 vs Norwalk we rolled up 487 yards (153 pass, 334 rush) and won by 34. Held Norwalk to 36 yards rushing on 34 carries and just 9 of 25 passing Urban Meyer's keys to success#1 - get the ball in your best players hands #2 - get as many of the 80 percenters to become top 10 percenters as to expand that 10% to 20+% In 1999 we had an expanded top 10%. A lot of us were doing sprints, 400 meter runs, etc without coaches around. <--- But the expansion came from the LEADERSHIP of Coach Hawkins. Urban Meyer says a team will naturally be 10-80-10, it's the coaches job to expand that top 10% by working with the 80%. Bob Haas got this out of kids every single year, that's why he's a Legend in Willard. Urban Meyer is a scum bag. And a true loser. Stop quoting him. He’s not a leader nor is he a role model.
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Oct 7, 2021 15:21:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 15:21:02 GMT -5
Urban is a decent guy. There’s nothing wrong with Grinding (Dancing) up against either side of a Woman. There would be huge problem if he was doing that up against a Dude.
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Oct 7, 2021 15:38:42 GMT -5
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Post by sbclives on Oct 7, 2021 15:38:42 GMT -5
Urban is a decent guy. There’s nothing wrong with Grinding (Dancing) up against either side of a Woman. There would be huge problem if he was doing that up against a Dude. Why would that be a huge problem for you?
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Oct 7, 2021 19:15:00 GMT -5
Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 7, 2021 19:15:00 GMT -5
I'll add another point to how students have other avenues of passing their time. There is the popular, team-based online videogame, League of Legends. A kid from Shelby who is currently 22 years old has earned approximately $140k in winnings across ten tournaments in that game since 2017. This would be ignoring earnings from being sponsored. In that particular videogame, it wouldn't be outrageous to say he was earning in excess of $75k each year before tournament and streaming earnings. As far as I know, there hasn't been a pro football player from Shelby to make that type of money.
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Oct 7, 2021 23:00:45 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 7, 2021 23:00:45 GMT -5
How about this one. Can anyone explain to me the virtual NBA trading card phenomenon? All I know is my nephew in high school last year claims he's made 10's of thousands of dollars buying, owning, trading and selling something he's never held in his hands. His "venture capital" money came from his part time jobS. Don't tell me it's like the stock markets. Now he tells me in his first year in college he's working for the Browns, doing ?face scanning? at their home games. Not only getting to watch the games for free, but getting paid $100/game as well.
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Post by sbclives on Oct 8, 2021 0:34:44 GMT -5
How about this one. Can anyone explain to me the virtual NBA trading card phenomenon? All I know is my nephew in high school last year claims he's made 10's of thousands of dollars buying, owning, trading and selling something he's never held in his hands. His "venture capital" money came from his part time jobS. Don't tell me it's like the stock markets. Now he tells me in his first year in college he's working for the Browns, doing ?face scanning? at their home games, not only getting to watch the games for free, but getting paid as well. Trading cards is hot and showing no signs of slowing down. You can even open virtual packs of cards and they will be sent to you or you can just trade or sell them right away. It’s crazy something that was dead in the water years ago is a booming business.
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Oct 8, 2021 15:30:01 GMT -5
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Post by duckdude on Oct 8, 2021 15:30:01 GMT -5
It will be interesting what the off season training looks like. We have a lot of three sport athletes on the team. May need to get creative with the weight room hours.
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Post by sbclives on Oct 8, 2021 16:20:23 GMT -5
It will be interesting what the off season training looks like. We have a lot of three sport athletes on the team. May need to get creative with the weight room hours. How many kids do they currently have playing football in grades 10-12?
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Oct 8, 2021 21:53:36 GMT -5
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Post by duckdude on Oct 8, 2021 21:53:36 GMT -5
Most of the team are juniors and sophomores. The junior class has gotten a ton of playing time the last couple if years.
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Post by tchldad on Oct 8, 2021 22:28:29 GMT -5
It will be interesting what the off season training looks like. We have a lot of three sport athletes on the team. May need to get creative with the weight room hours. dont other sports lift?
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