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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 2, 2021 2:26:26 GMT -5
It's ok only to listen to your coach one out of the 4 quarters?? The same game plan used against Lima wouldn't work against Ontario? SO the reason they didn't listen to their coach is they were tired?? Ontario had 2 games in 3 days same as Shelby. Ontario had 3 games in the last 12, Shelby 3 in the last 11. Stop the whining, it's not becoming. Who the hell is "everyone"?? The Shelbillies? No one with an intellect was saying Ontario was going to win the league the last 2 years. Saying Shelby didn't have the best talent 1-5 proves you know little about basketball. Shelby only played 5 guys?? At this stage of their careers it is tomfoolery to compare these 2 coaches over the last year and a half. The hole your standing is just getting deeper with all the flailing for excuses you're doing. Only one making excuses is yourself. All I’m telling you was Shelby was far from their best and still walked out on top. Watch Lima senior play and watch Ontario. Not even in the same ball park. What Shelby did against Lima wasnt needed to beat Ontario. And last year your telling me Shelby had better basketball players I’ll go a step farther and say 1-9 because Shelby rotated 9. Because your foolish if you think so. Shows how little you know. Shelby had no one who shot over 30% from 3pt line last season on varsity roster. Now great athletes yes. The fact that’s your so socially diverse that you refer to them as shelbillies shows you need to hide back your hole inside the O-Rena and continue to celebrate your BIG wins over teams as Galion and Sparta Highland. Stop whining it's embarrassing for you. You don't have to tell me anything. I DID see Shelby play Lima. After that I said they should go undefeated, and beat Ontario by 20. You're a laughing stock, you're preaching to the choir. Why shouldn't Shelby do what they did to Lima to EVERY team on their schedule? You're ignorant about Loney if you think he doesn't want to play that way in all games. You might know about Shelby, but your knowledge concerning Ontario is completely lacking. AGAIN, I am well aware that Shelby went 9 deep last year with some success. After Ontario's starters last year they were bad. Actually other than 4 players the talent wasn't there. Don't be a dolt, there are many people in Shelby that use the term shelbillies, I got it from my relatives over there. Your statement about celebrating could indicate you're one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 2:40:48 GMT -5
Only one making excuses is yourself. All I’m telling you was Shelby was far from their best and still walked out on top. Watch Lima senior play and watch Ontario. Not even in the same ball park. What Shelby did against Lima wasnt needed to beat Ontario. And last year your telling me Shelby had better basketball players I’ll go a step farther and say 1-9 because Shelby rotated 9. Because your foolish if you think so. Shows how little you know. Shelby had no one who shot over 30% from 3pt line last season on varsity roster. Now great athletes yes. The fact that’s your so socially diverse that you refer to them as shelbillies shows you need to hide back your hole inside the O-Rena and continue to celebrate your BIG wins over teams as Galion and Sparta Highland. Stop whining it's embarrassing for you. You don't have to tell me anything. I DID see Shelby play Lima. After that I said they should go undefeated, and beat Ontario by 20. You're a laughing stock, you're preaching to the choir. Why shouldn't Shelby do what they did to Lima to EVERY team on their schedule? You're ignorant about Loney if you think he doesn't want to play that way in all games. You might know about Shelby, but your knowledge concerning Ontario is completely lacking. AGAIN, I am well aware that Shelby went 9 deep last year with some success. After Ontario's starters last year they were bad. Actually other than 4 players the talent wasn't there. Don't be a dolt, there are many people in Shelby that use the term shelbillies, I got it from my relatives over there. Your statement about celebrating could indicate you're one of them. All I heard was 5-1 overall and 3-0 in league play.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 2, 2021 2:50:20 GMT -5
devil don't waste your time. The master of excuses will spin and twist everything to make his saint of a coach look good. Talent can go 8 deep and when you compare these two rosters Ontario may have more experienced talent. Your 100% correct. I’m sure he was probably one of the Ontario fans who thought they were homered but im pretty sure i seen the foul totals were Shelby 23 And Ontario 14. Little does he know that 5 of Shelby’s now key players played JV mins last year and 3 were JV starters and and 2 played 8th grade basketball. Yes Shelby has great basketball talent but not nearly as much experience. What a dingus. Don't be ignorant about how Loney wants his kids to play. Physical in your face defense. Which is great, I like that kind of defense...EXCEPT a coach and his players MUST know how to adjust with officiating, it can and will be different in every game. Someone said Ontario would have won if they made a better % of their free throws. I'm not a whiner like you, I expected Ontario to lose by 20. AGAIN.... I know WAY more about Shelby than you do about Ontario. What a dolt you are, read and become learned. 5 of the 9 players getting minutes for Ontario's varsity this year ONLY played JV last year, not one minute of varsity ball. Only 2 Freshman in the past 30 years have played varsity for Ontario. Lets do a little math. Shelby had a 9 player rotation last year, 4 Seniors were in the rotation 9-4=5. Shelby returned 5 lettermen, Ontario returned 4 lettermen. See how much more I know than you. Carry on....thanks for playin.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 2, 2021 2:53:01 GMT -5
Stop whining it's embarrassing for you. You don't have to tell me anything. I DID see Shelby play Lima. After that I said they should go undefeated, and beat Ontario by 20. You're a laughing stock, you're preaching to the choir. Why shouldn't Shelby do what they did to Lima to EVERY team on their schedule? You're ignorant about Loney if you think he doesn't want to play that way in all games. You might know about Shelby, but your knowledge concerning Ontario is completely lacking. AGAIN, I am well aware that Shelby went 9 deep last year with some success. After Ontario's starters last year they were bad. Actually other than 4 players the talent wasn't there. Don't be a dolt, there are many people in Shelby that use the term shelbillies, I got it from my relatives over there. Your statement about celebrating could indicate you're one of them. All I heard was 5-1 overall and 3-0 in league play. Where did you hear that?? I said Shelby would go 22-0 and 14-0 in league play. I think you have me confused with that RV guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 8:07:45 GMT -5
Your 100% correct. I’m sure he was probably one of the Ontario fans who thought they were homered but im pretty sure i seen the foul totals were Shelby 23 And Ontario 14. Little does he know that 5 of Shelby’s now key players played JV mins last year and 3 were JV starters and and 2 played 8th grade basketball. Yes Shelby has great basketball talent but not nearly as much experience. What a dingus. Don't be ignorant about how Loney wants his kids to play. Physical in your face defense. Which is great, I like that kind of defense...EXCEPT a coach and his players MUST know how to adjust with officiating, it can and will be different in every game. Someone said Ontario would have won if they made a better % of their free throws. I'm not a whiner like you, I expected Ontario to lose by 20. AGAIN.... I know WAY more about Shelby than you do about Ontario. What a dolt you are, read and become learned. 5 of the 9 players getting minutes for Ontario's varsity this year ONLY played JV last year, not one minute of varsity ball. Only 2 Freshman in the past 30 years have played varsity for Ontario. Lets do a little math. Shelby had a 9 player rotation last year, 4 Seniors were in the rotation 9-4=5. Shelby returned 5 lettermen, Ontario returned 4 lettermen. See how much more I know than you. Carry on....thanks for playin. They had 5 seniors in the rotation sir. Lewis Lewis Miller Devito Gossom Returned Pugh Lantz Holloway Hiatt- Hiatt played 2 quarters of JV at the end of year. Consider yourself the “dolt”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 8:17:42 GMT -5
Your 100% correct. I’m sure he was probably one of the Ontario fans who thought they were homered but im pretty sure i seen the foul totals were Shelby 23 And Ontario 14. Little does he know that 5 of Shelby’s now key players played JV mins last year and 3 were JV starters and and 2 played 8th grade basketball. Yes Shelby has great basketball talent but not nearly as much experience. What a dingus. Don't be ignorant about how Loney wants his kids to play. Physical in your face defense. Which is great, I like that kind of defense...EXCEPT a coach and his players MUST know how to adjust with officiating, it can and will be different in every game. Someone said Ontario would have won if they made a better % of their free throws. I'm not a whiner like you, I expected Ontario to lose by 20. AGAIN.... I know WAY more about Shelby than you do about Ontario. What a dolt you are, read and become learned. 5 of the 9 players getting minutes for Ontario's varsity this year ONLY played JV last year, not one minute of varsity ball. Only 2 Freshman in the past 30 years have played varsity for Ontario. Lets do a little math. Shelby had a 9 player rotation last year, 4 Seniors were in the rotation 9-4=5. Shelby returned 5 lettermen, Ontario returned 4 lettermen. See how much more I know than you. Carry on....thanks for playin. And I’m not 100% sure but Ontario was 8-18 at FT and I’m pretty sure they aren’t even a 75% FT shooting as a TEAM. So for that statement to be made would also be the same as me saying if Pugh and Lantz make every 8ft and closer shot Shelby wins by 20 plus because combined between the two they missed 12 shots from 8ft and closer.
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Post by marchmadness on Jan 2, 2021 12:12:35 GMT -5
Not that I want to butt in this pissing contest, but Sheppard and Hill also played a fair amount of varsity minutes last year for Shelby.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 13:06:45 GMT -5
Not that I want to butt in this pissing contest, but Sheppard and Hill also played a fair amount of varsity minutes last year for Shelby. Correct. But not till the last 5-6 games. I watched the Lexington vs Shelby JV game and hill played 3 quarters and Sheppard played 4.
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Post by dude on Jan 2, 2021 16:00:16 GMT -5
And I’m not 100% sure but Ontario was 8-18 at FT and I’m pretty sure they aren’t even a 75% FT shooting as a TEAM. So for that statement to be made would also be the same as me saying if Pugh and Lantz make every 8ft and closer shot Shelby wins by 20 plus because combined between the two they missed 12 shots from 8ft and closer. Do not try to bring facts and common sense into a conversation with Richard. He only sees things in Ontario's favor.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 2, 2021 16:49:12 GMT -5
Don't not try to make sense of what Willie says, he's the biggest hater and prevaricator we have.
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 2, 2021 20:22:27 GMT -5
Ontario-35 Ashland-34 half
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Post by mrsteel on Jan 2, 2021 21:20:43 GMT -5
Ashland-69 Ontario-67 Final in OT
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 2, 2021 22:38:45 GMT -5
Ontario made 3 of 9 free throws and Shaver made 2 of 9 3-pointers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 23:43:07 GMT -5
Shelby 80-68 over Mansfield Senior. First time in 64 years. Shelby was a complete different team from the Ontario game! Pugh, Lantz and Hiatt combine for 68 points and the switch of Pugh to point guard may be the answer for a needed Point guard. Only 13 team turn overs for the game.
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Post by dude on Jan 3, 2021 0:35:19 GMT -5
Over night change from post man to point guard.
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Post by dude on Jan 3, 2021 0:50:44 GMT -5
Shelby 80-68 over Mansfield Senior. First time in 64 years. Shelby was a complete different team from the Ontario game! Pugh, Lantz and Hiatt combine for 68 points and the switch of Pugh to point guard may be the answer for a needed Point guard. Only 13 team turn overs for the game. How many games have been played in those 64 years? All the credit to Shelby but I would add this is Mansfield’s 2nd game of season while Ontario was in game 6 or 7.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 0:56:15 GMT -5
Shelby 80-68 over Mansfield Senior. First time in 64 years. Shelby was a complete different team from the Ontario game! Pugh, Lantz and Hiatt combine for 68 points and the switch of Pugh to point guard may be the answer for a needed Point guard. Only 13 team turn overs for the game. How many games have been played in those 64 years? All the credit to Shelby but I would add this is Mansfield’s 2nd game of season while Ontario was in game 6 or 7. For being Sr. Highs 2nd game I was very surprised at the turn around from their Madison game. They have play 15 times in those 64 years Sr. Was 13-2 prior to tonight. Shelby’s only two wins was in Siegfried years.
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Post by dude on Jan 3, 2021 12:01:42 GMT -5
How many games have been played in those 64 years? All the credit to Shelby but I would add this is Mansfield’s 2nd game of season while Ontario was in game 6 or 7. For being Sr. Highs 2nd game I was very surprised at the turn around from their Madison game. They have play 15 times in those 64 years Sr. Was 13-2 prior to tonight. Shelby’s only two wins was in Siegfried years. It's a good headline but that's about it. When two teams play every 4-5 years it doesn't really become a rivalry. Although Shelby is loaded, this year's Mansfield team, after only 2 games, is not a historic win. Now that may change by the end of Jan if they can run off 4-5 wins by then. IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 12:34:59 GMT -5
For being Sr. Highs 2nd game I was very surprised at the turn around from their Madison game. They have play 15 times in those 64 years Sr. Was 13-2 prior to tonight. Shelby’s only two wins was in Siegfried years. It's a good headline but that's about it. When two teams play every 4-5 years it doesn't really become a rivalry. Although Shelby is loaded, this year's Mansfield team, after only 2 games, is not a historic win. Now that may change by the end of Jan if they can run off 4-5 wins by then. IMO We will talk tournament time. But I’ll bet senior ends up being a top team in that district...they have some good pieces and a veteran point guard.
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Post by dude on Jan 3, 2021 13:06:13 GMT -5
It's a good headline but that's about it. When two teams play every 4-5 years it doesn't really become a rivalry. Although Shelby is loaded, this year's Mansfield team, after only 2 games, is not a historic win. Now that may change by the end of Jan if they can run off 4-5 wins by then. IMO We will talk tournament time. But I’ll bet senior ends up being a top team in that district...they have some good pieces and a veteran point guard. I agree. At tournament time the Mansfield team will not be the team they are today. That was some of what I was saying.
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Post by whippetfan on Jan 4, 2021 21:34:43 GMT -5
Shelby wins tonight over Harding 77-63. Pugh finished with 34. Two of the most dominant games back to back that I’ve seen in quite awhile. Him at PG is creating lots of match up problems. Several baskets just taking his defender off the dribble and shooting layups. I only saw him make one three. Also backed smaller defenders onto the blocks for easy shots. Lantz is also heating up as well. Hoping this recipe for success keeps working. Good looking team right now.
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Post by dude on Jan 4, 2021 21:51:34 GMT -5
Shelby wins tonight over Harding 77-63. Pugh finished with 34. Two of the most dominant games back to back that I’ve seen in quite awhile. Him at PG is creating lots of match up problems. Several baskets just taking his defender off the dribble and shooting layups. I only saw him make one three. Also backed smaller defenders onto the blocks for easy shots. Lantz is also heating up as well. Hoping this recipe for success keeps working. Good looking team right now. Why would it make a difference if Pugh is playing the PG or the SG spot. Wouldn't the same defender be guarding him at either position? I'm not implying that his isn't hard to guard but I would say a team is going to matchup on him with the same defender because of his size/skills regardless if he is PG or SG or SF.
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Post by whippetfan on Jan 4, 2021 22:11:51 GMT -5
Shelby wins tonight over Harding 77-63. Pugh finished with 34. Two of the most dominant games back to back that I’ve seen in quite awhile. Him at PG is creating lots of match up problems. Several baskets just taking his defender off the dribble and shooting layups. I only saw him make one three. Also backed smaller defenders onto the blocks for easy shots. Lantz is also heating up as well. Hoping this recipe for success keeps working. Good looking team right now. Why would it make a difference if Pugh is playing the PG or the SG spot. Wouldn't the same defender be guarding him at either position? I'm not implying that his isn't hard to guard but I would say a team is going to matchup on him with the same defender because of his size/skills regardless if he is PG or SG or SF. If you didn’t watch either the last two games then you haven’t seen what I’m talking about. As a PG he is bringing the ball up the court and is able to build up momentum and is able to dribble around people. When he isn’t bringing the ball up the court the other PG’s are rushing up the floor and getting it to him on the wing and he is still able to dribble around defenders. Maybe these last couple teams didn’t have the people to match up properly with him. That I can’t answer. But what I can say is that at 6’6” with really good ball handling ability he is causing problems regardless of who is guarding him. And if teams want to try a smaller, quicker player on him (Ontario), then his coaches are challenging him to get on the blocks and take advantage of his size and strength.
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Post by whippetfan on Jan 4, 2021 22:16:07 GMT -5
And to add to that, you generally want your best ball handler bringing the ball up the floor against pressure defense. There is no doubt who the best ball handler is at Shelby. Very confident and rarely gets rattled by that pressure. Can’t say the same about some of the other kids on a consistent basis.
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Post by dude on Jan 4, 2021 23:01:05 GMT -5
And to add to that, you generally want your best ball handler bringing the ball up the floor against pressure defense. There is no doubt who the best ball handler is at Shelby. Very confident and rarely gets rattled by that pressure. Can’t say the same about some of the other kids on a consistent basis. I was not questioning his skills or if he was the best ball handler on the team. I think defending him wouldn't change if he changes positions. He still has the same skills and ability so I would think the defender would be the same person. Last year and this year he may not have been called the PG but he has the ball in his hands a lot and has always shared in bringing the ball up the court. But I will admit I've only seen 3 of his games this year and not the last 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 0:08:38 GMT -5
And to add to that, you generally want your best ball handler bringing the ball up the floor against pressure defense. There is no doubt who the best ball handler is at Shelby. Very confident and rarely gets rattled by that pressure. Can’t say the same about some of the other kids on a consistent basis. I was not questioning his skills or if he was the best ball handler on the team. I think defending him wouldn't change if he changes positions. He still has the same skills and ability so I would think the defender would be the same person. Last year and this year he may not have been called the PG but he has the ball in his hands a lot and has always shared in bringing the ball up the court. But I will admit I've only seen 3 of his games this year and not the last 2. Just gonna join in with whippet. Completely different team with him at the 1 and makes things so much easier for everyone around him. Lantz is heating up and shooting the ball well. Pugh and Lantz are double figure guy night in and night out. After that theirs 4-5 guys who get you 6-12 points every night also. Last 2 games teams have tried face guarding Pugh with a smaller quicker guard so his coach has been pounding him inside and theirs not seemed to have been an answer cause when you double him he still scores or his shooters knock down open 3’s. Shelby only took 7 3’s i think and was 5-7 I think.
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Post by dude on Jan 5, 2021 9:14:07 GMT -5
Lantz and Pugh knew they were going to be the leaders coming into this season so that is no surprise. Having arguable the most talented roster in the district, if they do not reach the floor at BGSU the supporters will be calling for coaching heads. I did not see the game but what did Pugh and Lantz do against Wooster in their lowest scoring output so far this season? I ask because I am always curious on how and if, non-college level players defend projected college athletes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 10:35:13 GMT -5
Lantz and Pugh knew they were going to be the leaders coming into this season so that is no surprise. Having arguable the most talented roster in the district, if they do not reach the floor at BGSU the supporters will be calling for coaching heads. I did not see the game but what did Pugh and Lantz do against Wooster in their lowest scoring output so far this season? I ask because I am always curious on how and if, non-college level players defend projected college athletes. It wasn’t just Pugh and Lantz these last few games the whole team. Best team basketball I’ve seen a Shelby team play in Loney’s two years. Wooster game was ugly. Pugh and Lantz both at their worst I’ve seen this season, but also everyone else around them no energy. First quarter was good, part of second was good but after that was downhill. Wooster killed them on the offensive boards. Shelby forced Wooster to every shot they wanted them to take. Played a 1-3-1 Wooster didn’t make a 3 till the last two mins of the game. They was 0-18. But Shelby didnt board and missed 3’s turned into easy put backs.
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Post by dude on Jan 5, 2021 11:38:13 GMT -5
It wasn’t just Pugh and Lantz these last few games the whole team. Best team basketball I’ve seen a Shelby team play in Loney’s two years. Wooster game was ugly. Pugh and Lantz both at their worst I’ve seen this season, but also everyone else around them no energy. First quarter was good, part of second was good but after that was downhill. Wooster killed them on the offensive boards. Shelby forced Wooster to every shot they wanted them to take. Played a 1-3-1 Wooster didn’t make a 3 till the last two mins of the game. They was 0-18. But Shelby didnt board and missed 3’s turned into easy put backs. Wooster typically takes 22-25 shots from the 3 a game. So for them to win by 27 and you giving credit the Shelby's 3pt line defense, with Wooster outscoring them by 23 in the second half, they must have been able to get whatever shot they wanted in close. I ask only to keep up on the area's top players and see if they are ready for play after high school. Being challenged is a great thing and can show true character.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 11:56:25 GMT -5
It wasn’t just Pugh and Lantz these last few games the whole team. Best team basketball I’ve seen a Shelby team play in Loney’s two years. Wooster game was ugly. Pugh and Lantz both at their worst I’ve seen this season, but also everyone else around them no energy. First quarter was good, part of second was good but after that was downhill. Wooster killed them on the offensive boards. Shelby forced Wooster to every shot they wanted them to take. Played a 1-3-1 Wooster didn’t make a 3 till the last two mins of the game. They was 0-18. But Shelby didnt board and missed 3’s turned into easy put backs. Wooster typically takes 22-25 shots from the 3 a game. So for them to win by 27 and you giving credit the Shelby's 3pt line defense, with Wooster outscoring them by 23 in the second half, they must have been able to get whatever shot they wanted in close. I ask only to keep up on the area's top players and see if they are ready for play after high school. Being challenged is a great thing and can show true character. Every offensive rebound was at the rim. I don’t have an exact state but I bet Wooster scored offensive out back for a lay up on 12-13 of those 18 missed 3’s. It was ugly to say the least.
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