MOAC 2021

[moacpops]

“Article in the Marion Star today says Pleasant is interviewing starting this week and hopes to announce a new coach at the April 26 BOE meeting.”

The first Pleasant search must have failed. The job was posted again with application deadline of May 1. So much for the April 26th approval date. Potential coaches who research PHS know the athletic talent in Spartan country is the lowest it has been for 30 years. Former coach isn’t dumb. He knows the team is going to be worse. It’s not just football. Spartans finished last in bowling and soccer. 6th of 7 in football and wrestling. Fifth of 7 in basketball. Currently middle of the pack in baseball standings.

Who wants to take a coaching job at a school that has been a state power and lose? New coach will have little job security.

[guy]

That's a tough situation going on for both schools in Marion.

[pirate80]

I feel for Pleasant. Hopefully new facilities might attract talent back to the area? It's going to be hard for them to consistently compete in the "new" MOAC. But where else could they go?

[wallacefan]

Apr 16, 2021 16:23:01 GMT -5 pirate80 said:

I feel for Pleasant. Hopefully new facilities might attract talent back to the area? It's going to be hard for them to consistently compete in the "new" MOAC. But where else could they go?

They will probably call the Northern 10 first.  The Northern 10 will say no.  There really is no place for them to go.

[Willard Fillmore]

They had no problem competing in the "new" MOAC a couple years ago.

[Deleted]

Is Pleasant the smallest school in the league?

[kingmartinez]

They’ve contacted or will be contacting the N10.

[pirate80]

Apr 16, 2021 20:08:56 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

They had no problem competing in the "new" MOAC a couple years ago.

That was before they were "down". It will be hard for them long term to compete with districts like Shelby. I suspect Clear Fork could wind up in the same boat. I'd imagine new facilities could help draw some open enrollee folks from Marion City. But if Harding is ever able to fix whatever it is that ails their programs (don't want to speculate but absolutely no excuse for them to not dominate everything) then Pleasant will be in real trouble.

[pirate80]

Apr 17, 2021 13:49:33 GMT -5 @globogym said:

Is Pleasant the smallest school in the league?

I'd imagine they have to be. They don't have a "town" or city. The rest of that league does. Even RV has Caledonia at least.

[GHS 1999]

I have a hard time buying into the Pleasant is too small to compete against Shelby bit. They competed against Buckeye Valley for years as well as Jonathan Alder for several years. Both schools quite larger.

[wallacefan]

Apr 17, 2021 13:49:33 GMT -5 @globogym said:

Is Pleasant the smallest school in the league?

Yes.

D2 = Harding
D3 = River Valley
D4 = Highland, Clear Fork, Ontario, Galion, Shelby
D5 = Pleasant

Makes the football season a real meat grinder for Pleasant.

And it's one of the main reasons why no one was putting their applications in for the job.  That and what was posted by moacpops above which is accurate.

It's not just about how good Shelby is.

As for playing BV and JA, they lost their last 2 games vs. JA by double digits and BV football has always been mediocre at best.  And those years were back when lots of talent available on the football field.  No more.

Add in that the 3 of the assistant coaches quit (meaning the new coach would have to bring in an entire staff) and you can see why coaches aren't jumping at the job.

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 16, 2021 16:23:01 GMT -5 pirate80 said:

I feel for Pleasant. Hopefully new facilities might attract talent back to the area? It's going to be hard for them to consistently compete in the "new" MOAC. But where else could they go?

New facilities don't "attract" families as much as good academics and extra curriculars. AND Championship caliber athletics, that Pleasant has been known for. 

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 17, 2021 16:21:08 GMT -5 pirate80 said:

Apr 16, 2021 20:08:56 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

They had no problem competing in the "new" MOAC a couple years ago.

That was before they were "down". It will be hard for them long term to compete with districts like Shelby. I suspect Clear Fork could wind up in the same boat. I'd imagine new facilities could help draw some open enrollee folks from Marion City. But if Harding is ever able to fix whatever it is that ails their programs (don't want to speculate but absolutely no excuse for them to not dominate everything) then Pleasant will be in real trouble.

"Down"?? One or two years is down? ALL school are up and down, ask Cardington. Was the primary reason for Pleasant's successes in the past due to open enrollment?

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 17, 2021 16:22:30 GMT -5 pirate80 said:

Apr 17, 2021 13:49:33 GMT -5 @globogym said:

Is Pleasant the smallest school in the league?

I'd imagine they have to be. They don't have a "town" or city. The rest of that league does. Even RV has Caledonia at least.

Caledonia? lol....it is not a "town" or city, I doubt it can even be considered a village. Do they have a stop light? 

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 18, 2021 9:14:27 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

I have a hard time buying into the Pleasant is too small to compete against Shelby bit. They competed against Buckeye Valley for years as well as Jonathan Alder for several years. Both schools quite larger.

Also competed against Highland, Buckeye Valley and North Union, all considerably larger. 

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 18, 2021 11:38:50 GMT -5 wallacefan said:

Apr 17, 2021 13:49:33 GMT -5 @globogym said:

Is Pleasant the smallest school in the league?

Yes.

D2 = Harding
D3 = River Valley
D4 = Highland, Clear Fork, Ontario, Galion, Shelby
D5 = Pleasant

Makes the football season a real meat grinder for Pleasant.

And it's one of the main reasons why no one was putting their applications in for the job.  That and what was posted by moacpops above which is accurate.

It's not just about how good Shelby is.

As for playing BV and JA, they lost their last 2 games vs. JA by double digits and BV football has always been mediocre at best.  And those years were back when lots of talent available on the football field.  No more.

Add in that the 3 of the assistant coaches quit (meaning the new coach would have to bring in an entire staff) and you can see why coaches aren't jumping at the job.

Lucas, smaller than Pleasant, faired quite well playing an MOAC schedule in football this year. 

Size is not always the determining factor in how "good" a school is. 

Lost 2 games out of the history of playing a school is not the end of the world.

Did those Pleasant assistant coaches quit before or after the head coach resigned? If before, there is a bigger problem. If after, that is often the case when a head coach, that's a friend, steps down. 

[GHS 1999]

I just find it ironic that Pleasant feasted for years on Northmor, MG, Cardington, Elgin, Ridgedale, etc in the original MOAC. Now they are down and right away they are looking for a way out. I find it doubtful that the N10 would be wanting them. The only other options would be the NWCC or the KMAC.

[Deleted]

Apr 18, 2021 12:45:28 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

I just find it ironic that Pleasant feasted for years on Northmor, MG, Cardington, Elgin, Ridgedale, etc in the original MOAC. Now they are down and right away they are looking for a way out. I find it doubtful that the N10 would be wanting them. The only other options would be the NWCC or the KMAC.

what is their enrollment trend?

also, it wasn't long ago Galion left the NOL for a league they could compete more consistently in... or at least that was the perception

same goes for Ontario wanting out of the NOL



If Pleasant leaves though... does Lex get in?

[Deleted]

Apr 18, 2021 12:08:46 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Apr 18, 2021 11:38:50 GMT -5 wallacefan said:

Yes.

D2 = Harding
D3 = River Valley
D4 = Highland, Clear Fork, Ontario, Galion, Shelby
D5 = Pleasant

Makes the football season a real meat grinder for Pleasant.

And it's one of the main reasons why no one was putting their applications in for the job.  That and what was posted by moacpops above which is accurate.

It's not just about how good Shelby is.

As for playing BV and JA, they lost their last 2 games vs. JA by double digits and BV football has always been mediocre at best.  And those years were back when lots of talent available on the football field.  No more.

Add in that the 3 of the assistant coaches quit (meaning the new coach would have to bring in an entire staff) and you can see why coaches aren't jumping at the job.

Lucas, smaller than Pleasant, faired quite well playing an MOAC schedule in football this year. 

Size is not always the determining factor in how "good" a school is. 

Lost 2 games out of the history of playing a school is not the end of the world.

Did those Pleasant assistant coaches quit before or after the head coach resigned? If before, there is a bigger problem. If after, that is often the case when a head coach, that's a friend, steps down. 

Lucas year in and year out would not compete consistently in the MOAC in football

[awebgsu]

Apr 18, 2021 15:43:15 GMT -5 @globogym said:

Apr 18, 2021 12:45:28 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

I just find it ironic that Pleasant feasted for years on Northmor, MG, Cardington, Elgin, Ridgedale, etc in the original MOAC. Now they are down and right away they are looking for a way out. I find it doubtful that the N10 would be wanting them. The only other options would be the NWCC or the KMAC.

what is their enrollment trend?

also, it wasn't long ago Galion left the NOL for a league they could compete more consistently in... or at least that was the perception

same goes for Ontario wanting out of the NOL



If Pleasant leaves though... does Lex get in?

WF will correct you later.

[GHS 1999]

Apr 18, 2021 15:43:15 GMT -5 @globogym said:

Apr 18, 2021 12:45:28 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

I just find it ironic that Pleasant feasted for years on Northmor, MG, Cardington, Elgin, Ridgedale, etc in the original MOAC. Now they are down and right away they are looking for a way out. I find it doubtful that the N10 would be wanting them. The only other options would be the NWCC or the KMAC.

what is their enrollment trend?

also, it wasn't long ago Galion left the NOL for a league they could compete more consistently in... or at least that was the perception

same goes for Ontario wanting out of the NOL



If Pleasant leaves though... does Lex get in?

That was definitely the perception even within the Galion district. The administration presented it as too much travel and kids having to eat on the bus in order to get to league events on time in Fostoria particularly.

[pirate80]

Apr 18, 2021 11:47:05 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Apr 17, 2021 16:21:08 GMT -5 pirate80 said:

That was before they were "down". It will be hard for them long term to compete with districts like Shelby. I suspect Clear Fork could wind up in the same boat. I'd imagine new facilities could help draw some open enrollee folks from Marion City. But if Harding is ever able to fix whatever it is that ails their programs (don't want to speculate but absolutely no excuse for them to not dominate everything) then Pleasant will be in real trouble.

"Down"?? One or two years is down? ALL school are up and down, ask Cardington. Was the primary reason for Pleasant's successes in the past due to open enrollment?

By Pleasant football standards, they will struggle long term in the current MOAC unless the district gains athletes. Not all schools are up and down. Pleasant is a traditional state power at the DV level. They made that tradition when they were playing other DV schools.

Idk about open enrollment, but it was a well known secret in these parts that good players would magically appear on to the Pleasant roster, often in the old MOAC years.

[pirate80]

Apr 18, 2021 11:51:40 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Apr 17, 2021 16:22:30 GMT -5 pirate80 said:

I'd imagine they have to be. They don't have a "town" or city. The rest of that league does. Even RV has Caledonia at least.

Caledonia? lol....it is not a "town" or city, I doubt it can even be considered a village. Do they have a stop light? 

Yes, Caledonia has lights. Bars. Gas. A Dollar General lol. From a numbers perspective, which was the original question, yes Pleasant is the smallest school in the league.

Shelby, Marion, Galion, and Ontario are massive comparatively. Caledonia, Belleville, and Butler as well. Even incoming Highland with Chesterville, Marengo, and Sparta have populations that the Pleasant school district does not. I did not imply that Caledonia was big. I factually made a statement that backs up why Pleasant is the smallest school in your league. I presume that you already knew all of that however.

[pirate80]

Apr 18, 2021 11:54:20 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Apr 18, 2021 9:14:27 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

I have a hard time buying into the Pleasant is too small to compete against Shelby bit. They competed against Buckeye Valley for years as well as Jonathan Alder for several years. Both schools quite larger.

Also competed against Highland, Buckeye Valley and North Union, all considerably larger. 

Buckeye Valley has no football tradition. At all. If I recall correctly, as by far the largest school in the old MOAC they never one a single league title. I could be wrong but I seem to remember that being a talking point.

When Pleasant was beating up on Highland and North Union they were considerably smaller schools. North Union was a small DV. Highland a small DIV.

This past year, Highland and Clear Fork 8th grade football teams absolutely obliterated Pleasant. This "down" has the potential to be a longer period of time.

[dude]

Apr 14, 2021 23:12:30 GMT -5 runriot742 said:

Apr 14, 2021 10:58:43 GMT -5 dude said:

If someone knows a past coach they can comment on what they have discussed with such a person with accurate information. OR if someone knows a school board member they may have been told a few pieces of information about a process. IF you want all the answers you could go to your Athletic Director to find out what is going on.

According to the 2010 census Butler had a population of 933, and Bellville had a population of 1,918.Lets say that geographical school zone approximatively had double that. That's 6k, and you expect no-one to know the school board. Also, with that being said, ,the valley--- as I refer to it-- is a close knit community. Everyone knows a past coach,, school board member, or administrator. Of course there is going to be rumors and facts. Also, it is possible that someone may ask a question to either seek further information, or for an invitation for further debate, or a confirmation. 

I would also suggest that it is a forum, therefore, there are no credentials. 

This also discounts as to whether or not that person did go to the athletic director to find out what was going on. They may not have, however, it still remains a possibility they don't think that comment " if someone knows a past coach...etc," is ridiculous. 

Every football program has their own football community unconnected to the size of the city, town or village they represent.

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 18, 2021 12:45:28 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

I just find it ironic that Pleasant feasted for years on Northmor, MG, Cardington, Elgin, Ridgedale, etc in the original MOAC. Now they are down and right away they are looking for a way out. I find it doubtful that the N10 would be wanting them. The only other options would be the NWCC or the KMAC.

The ones berating Pleasant would NOW like to see them in the KMAC, not so a few years ago. 

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 18, 2021 15:43:15 GMT -5 @globogym said:

Apr 18, 2021 12:45:28 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

I just find it ironic that Pleasant feasted for years on Northmor, MG, Cardington, Elgin, Ridgedale, etc in the original MOAC. Now they are down and right away they are looking for a way out. I find it doubtful that the N10 would be wanting them. The only other options would be the NWCC or the KMAC.

what is their enrollment trend?

also, it wasn't long ago Galion left the NOL for a league they could compete more consistently in... or at least that was the perception

same goes for Ontario wanting out of the NOL



If Pleasant leaves though... does Lex get in?

Same does NOT go for Ontario. They did not want out of the NOL. Ontario had considerable success their years in the NOL. Ontario's time in the NOL ended at the same time all the other schools did, when the NOL imploded. When that happened Ontario was offered a place in the Bay Division of the SBC. They would have been the largest school in the Bay. They chose to go to the MOAC, being middle of the pack size wise, due to much less travel than being in the SBC. 

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 18, 2021 15:44:53 GMT -5 @globogym said:

Apr 18, 2021 12:08:46 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Lucas, smaller than Pleasant, faired quite well playing an MOAC schedule in football this year. 

Size is not always the determining factor in how "good" a school is. 

Lost 2 games out of the history of playing a school is not the end of the world.

Did those Pleasant assistant coaches quit before or after the head coach resigned? If before, there is a bigger problem. If after, that is often the case when a head coach, that's a friend, steps down. 

Lucas year in and year out would not compete consistently in the MOAC in football

READ what us written, I said "this  year". Lucas the past several years would have competed quite well in football, in the MOAC. 

[Willard Fillmore]

Apr 18, 2021 17:37:00 GMT -5 pirate80 said:

Apr 18, 2021 11:47:05 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

"Down"?? One or two years is down? ALL school are up and down, ask Cardington. Was the primary reason for Pleasant's successes in the past due to open enrollment?

By Pleasant football standards, they will struggle long term in the current MOAC unless the district gains athletes. Not all schools are up and down. Pleasant is a traditional state power at the DV level. They made that tradition when they were playing other DV schools.

Idk about open enrollment, but it was a well known secret in these parts that good players would magically appear on to the Pleasant roster, often in the old MOAC years.

Surely you should know, since you were the one that broached the subject. What stopped the magic? 

[dude]

Apr 18, 2021 12:45:28 GMT -5 GHS 1999 said:

I just find it ironic that Pleasant feasted for years on Northmor, MG, Cardington, Elgin, Ridgedale, etc in the original MOAC. Now they are down and right away they are looking for a way out. I find it doubtful that the N10 would be wanting them. The only other options would be the NWCC or the KMAC.

Now they are down and they must play schools much bigger than them. Unlike the years you mentioned when they had success against schools their size.