Ohio Cardinal Conference 2016

[Willard Fillmore]

Jun 26, 2016 10:29:51 GMT -5 @scooter said:

A few people associated with the Lexington program have the idea that any where between 8-2 and 10-0 is possible.

Have they not heard of The Scooter Theorem?

[Ramsfan09]

Well I'm going to say Shelby will beat Lexington along with Wooster . I believe those will happen. Also the way Madison handled lex last year I'm not sure lex can beat them.

[Deleted]

Those are all valid thoughts Hudson.

[unc4life]

I think Ashland wins the League, and if they don't it should be a big disappointment to Arrow fans. They bring back the entire offensive line, a D1 prospect-three year starting Qb, and have some really good players in all three classes. I expect them to compete with Wooster for the title. Madison has the best player in the League and its not even close, but I'm not sure that is enough to win the league. Mansfield has some nice players as well and will be a tough out. Lexington will improve, but really when you look back to last year they didn't win a game vs a winning team. Should be another fun year in the OCC.

[Deleted]

If Ashland does have a legit D1 player at QB then the fight will be for second place in the OCC. has he had any offers other than Robert Morris?

[Willard Fillmore]

Does Cade Stover play QB for Lex? Seeing his athleticism in BBall last year as a Freshman for his size, he'd be a monster.

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Jun 28, 2016 9:27:40 GMT -5 unc4life said:

I think Ashland wins the League, and if they don't it should be a big disappointment to Arrow fans. They bring back the entire offensive line, a D1 prospect-three year starting Qb, and have some really good players in all three classes. I expect them to compete with Wooster for the title. Madison has the best player in the League and its not even close, but I'm not sure that is enough to win the league. Mansfield has some nice players as well and will be a tough out. Lexington will improve, but really when you look back to last year they didn't win a game vs a winning team. Should be another fun year in the OCC.

Looks like most agree with you. The battle will be between Ashland and Wooster.

[unc4life]

Just saw through the Daily Record that West Holmes football coach resigned. Talk about leaving a school high and dry. Nothing like having to replace a head coach a month before practice starts.

[Deleted]

This is not the first time a West Holmes coach has had "differences of opinion with administration" about the direction of a program.

[Ramsfan09]

Ashlands qb is very over rated. He is athletic but also makes some bad decisions. If Taylor only went d2 there's now at this one goes d1

[Deleted]

The real head scratcher is that someone actually clicked on Clear Fork above. BRILLIANT!

[Ramsfan09]

That's true Clearfork will probably beat west Holmes this year and that's it

[Deleted]

Ji would have originally picked WH to win the game with CF this year but now that they have run their coach out I'm not sure.

[umbrella0326]

For a coach to quit with just under a month before practice begins, something drastic must've happened. That 'difference of opinion' or whatever put that final nail in the coffin for West Holmes to even TRY to have a decent season (not that they probably would have anyway).

[Deleted]

There have been other coaches that were hire at that school based on a strong resume that also were told by administrators what to do or hold to do it so they also walked away.

[al63]

I thought Mount Vernon joins the OCC this year?

[Deleted]

They do, but in football there are some Columbus OCC schools that tried to fight their departure and they were forced to honor some football games. So Mt Vernon will not play a complete Ohio Cardinal Conference schedule in football until 2017.

[al63]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Deleted]

Off season contact is about to come to an end and practices will be starting in less than 2 weeks for most teams. How is everyone looking in 7on7, team camps and competitions?

[Ramsfan09]

Well I've seen Madison and senior high both at 7 on 7 events. Madison has probably the best receiving core that I've personally ever seen at Madison. There's some nice speed talent and height . They have tyrell of course , however the also have a couple shorty fast kids in shamar and Blake dimsmore . They also have Kyle Jackson that's about 6'5 or so , like I said before though we really need to build some kind of line because it's not looking good.

Mansfield really isn't looking that good at all. There qb is new but looks to be good after he gets some time in. Mansfield is in the same boat as Madison with the lines.

Madison and Mansfield played the last game of 7 on 7 yesterday at ram field with Madison winning 21-6

[Willard Fillmore]

The Mansfield QB, who transferred from Ontario, would't be starting at QB for Ontario this year....maybe TE

[Deleted]

Who is throwing the ball for the Rams?


Putting the players in the correct spot to compete can be key. In 2015 Mansfield was 8-3 while Ontario was 2-8.

[Willard Fillmore]

You don't know how true your typical put down is. Ontario's QB this year should have been their QB last year. Regardless of who the QB is, Ontario's record won't go north of .500 until they get a good O-line coach. I hear Hawkins has brought several former assistants with him, hopefully one is a line coach.

Mansfield 8-3 last year, this year will go with who would've been Ontario's back up this year. It's not clear he would have even started for Ontario in his Senior year. As Ontario has another very athletic QB coming, who is also a better fit for Hawkins' preferred offense. His dad isn't stupid. He looked at competition in the area and open enrolled his son where he could play this year. He is a better fit for Senior's recent offense. ALTHOUGH the reason given for open enrolling must be for something other than sports. I'd be interested to see the reason given. It sure as heck couldn't be for academic reasons. 

[Deleted]

Typical put down? I stated the last seasons records for 2 teams. Some people need thicker skin when reading posts. I cannot comment with great accuracy about the skill level of every player on both football teams but I have seen both play. But I do know the difference in being a backup on an 8-3 team and being a backup on a 2-8 team. In most cases if you can be a starter for an above average D1 high school you surely could be a starter for a below average D4 team. BUT, what's "not clear" is who the NEW COACH would have put in the QB spot had the open enrollment not happened.

Actually there does not need to be a reason given for open enrolling. The application does not ask if sports are the reason.

[Willard Fillmore]

Jul 22, 2016 14:21:06 GMT -5 Willard Fillmore said:

Everyone knows that the vast majority if your posts can't be made without at least a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, it's your M.O.


The records are meaningless in this scenario for those of us who DO KNOW. The knowledgeable who have seen both players in question play almost all of their games since 7th grade DO KNOW. How many games have you seen them play? Do you even know their names? For the well informed there is no question that the previous Ontario coach and current coach both would have had the QB at Mansfield playing a different position than QB at Ontario this year. His father knew that, he wanted him to play QB....some where......anywhere. 


I was thinking of the OHSAA Bylaws concerning moving from one district to another. After the start of the 9th grade, if you move to another District, there is an OHSAA form in which one of the questions for parents asks for the reason for the move. 

AGAIN, how many games have you see them play?? This is a pertinent question that can't go unanswered for you to save face. I'll be looking for you at ALL Ontario games other than Lex/Ontario game. Unlike you I don't pretend to be know more about teams than others who see WAY more games than you have. 

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Something I DO KNOW is that you do not speak for "everyone". So you DO NOT KNOW what "everyone" knows.

8 and talked with coaches when the move was made. I'm curious to know what is the magic number of games you have to watch to be in " the knowledgeable" group?

[Willard Fillmore]

Grasping at straws. You failed to answer the questions AGAIN. Unless that silly "8" to start a sentence means something. Your credibility is getting closer to zero.

There are A LOT of people in Ontario that know more about Ontario sports than you do. Beginning with the obvious reason. You watch very little up here, no eye test for you. I would NEVER EVER be so stupid to proclaim I know more about Lex than you or MANY in Lexington, for the same reason.

Show us where I said I speak for "everyone" in Ontario. Show us where I said I know what "everyone" in Ontario knows. Those would be more untruths from you, your list is growing. I speak for no one other than myself. UNLIKE YOU!!

I've played, lettered 4 years, coached, scouted, spent a lot of time in the press box and on the sidelines and helped the Ontario football program in other ways for decades. I speak with many who are very knowledgeable. I have seen both play most of their home games since they were in the 7th grade. What have you done in the Ontario football program? How many games have you seen BOTH of them play? The kid at Senior was only eligible to play in 5 games last year, then played a reserve roll. Why were you at Senior games instead of Lex games? I guess you could have seen him play one JV game against Lex. PUHLEESE don't tell us you watch Ontario Varsity, JV and Jr Hi games, instead of Lex games. I'd be willing to bet A LOT of money you've NEVER seen the Ontario kid play QB. I've never seen you at those games, you must have been hiding under the bleachers.

You are always telling us you know what you're talking about because of all the coaches and administrators you talk to at dozens of schools. What do you do sell janitorial supplies?

The "magic" number would be WAY MORE than you've watched.

For the sake of your diminishing credibility you better answer ALL of the questions asked. Read carefully so as not to miss one. 

[Deleted]

You said everyone knows. You don't know that.
8 is the number of games I have seen the Mansfield Qb play. The kid I was talking about. Since it is an OCC topic.

[Willard Fillmore]

Another UNTRUTH comes from behind the safety of your computer. This is THE TRUTH of what was said. Even easy for a 12 year old to comprehend. The "everyone" is used ON HERE is the "everyone" ON HERE who reads your written word. Which almost always includes, put downs, insults and untruths. NEVER did I say anything about "everyone" in Ontario or "everyone" watching Ontario sports.

I was talking about BOTH QBs in question. This year's starters at both Senior and Ontario. You have just admitted you have never seen the Ontario kid play QB. Thus you can NOT make an educated comparison like the educated Ontario fans that have seen BOTH play MANY games.

BTW, what "8" games have you seen the Mansfield QB play? He was only at Senior last year. Only eligible to play after the 5th game of the season, then he only played in a reserve role. Another UNTRUTH from you.

Even IF he played end of game situations in ALL Senior games, that does not equal "8". Another UNTRUTH from you.

To reach the "8", you had to see him play several Junior High, or JV games at Ontario. Another UNTRUTH.

AND if you watched him play entire games, the ONLY way to get a good eye test, you had to watch him play ALL "8" games at Ontario. Another UNTRUTH.

You want us to believe you go to Senior and/or Ontario games, including Junior High games instead of going to Lex games??? Another UNTRUTH.

PLEASE, to the best of your recollection, give us a list of THE "8" GAMES you've seen the Senior QB play. AND they better be more than the last 2 minutes of a game in mop up duty. Due to MANY in Ontario having seen him play MANY COMPLETE games. 

Your first post after mine, in which I mentioned BOTH QBs, you mentioned records of an OCC team AND an NOL team. Thus, UNTRUTHFUL by you, since you WERE talking about more than just the OCC. More of your CONTINUAL stream of UNTRUTHS. ROFL!! You are a habitual purveyor of untruths. Your credibility has reached an all time low.

BTW, to help your credibility, you FAILED to answer this questions. I will be more specific for you so you can't miss it. <<How do you know all of the coaches, ADs, Principals, board members and Superintendents at the DOZENS of schools you always use, but never by name, to back up your claims to know more about all of the sports teams in North Central Ohio than people who actually live in those communities??>>

[unc4life]

Willard and scooter need to start there own forum so they can complain to each other. I still don't know what Willard is mad about? Either way this forum is in readable when you too are at it.