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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 12:40:14 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if Vermilion will accept being in the Lake for all sports excluding football. Personally I think they hold their own, but I get the feeling they would fight it.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jul 26, 2017 13:08:15 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if Vermilion will accept being in the Lake for all sports excluding football. Personally I think they hold their own, but I get the feeling they would fight it. Agreed. I don't really see any of the Bay schools wanting to shift all their non football sports to the Lake division, which is why I started all 3 of my scenarios with 6 schools in the Lake. Will definitely be interesting to see what does happen.
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Post by kingmartinez on Jul 26, 2017 15:38:44 GMT -5
Vermilion can definitely hold their own in the Lake for most non-football sports. Boys basketball and baseball for sure.
I do not think the Lake will remain at six while the other two are at eight. I believe Vermilion's only hope of staying out of the Lake for non-football sports is if PC is the school to move up. They are pretty close in enrollment numbers. PC is bigger now but Vermilion was bigger last count.
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Post by birchbarlow on Jul 27, 2017 8:58:37 GMT -5
Vermilion can definitely hold their own in the Lake for most non-football sports. Boys basketball and baseball for sure. I do not think the Lake will remain at six while the other two are at eight. I believe Vermilion's only hope of staying out of the Lake for non-football sports is if PC is the school to move up. They are pretty close in enrollment numbers. PC is bigger now but Vermilion was bigger last count. I agree. But looking at their classes coming up, Vermilion will be getting smaller year by year.
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Post by jafo on Aug 17, 2017 6:45:05 GMT -5
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Aug 18, 2017 6:37:26 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that. Hopefully H-L can join for 2019-20 and not have to wait until 2020-21.
And the following was an interesting line in that article:
This is currently being discussed in a MOAC thread. Shelby will be able to join the MOAC in all sports except football for 2018-19, with football having to wait until 2019-20 because North Union's football is unable to join the CBC until then. Looks like Shelby will be playing at least some (possibly all) of the SBC Bay Division teams in 2018...and whether that's just as an independent playing those schools to fill the schedule or if they'd still be considered a member of that division for that season has not yet been made clear on here.
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Post by greenman on Aug 18, 2017 8:18:18 GMT -5
Yeesh. Aren't we reaching rather far away the from the shores of the Sandusky Bay with Seneca Co. and Richland Co. schools? It's the "SBC Expansion, Part II: The Quest for More Money."
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Post by kingmartinez on Aug 18, 2017 15:25:17 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that. Hopefully H-L can join for 2019-20 and not have to wait until 2020-21. And the following was an interesting line in that article: This is currently being discussed in a MOAC thread. Shelby will be able to join the MOAC in all sports except football for 2018-19, with football having to wait until 2019-20 because North Union's football is unable to join the CBC until then. Looks like Shelby will be playing at least some (possibly all) of the SBC Bay Division teams in 2018...and whether that's just as an independent playing those schools to fill the schedule or if they'd still be considered a member of that division for that season has not yet been made clear on here. Shelby will not be a SBC member in any sport after the 2017-18 school year. That's already been decided by the SBC.
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Post by galion on Aug 18, 2017 15:34:45 GMT -5
Yes but they will likely be on their football schedules as it will be easier than trying to find an opponent for a one year deal to replace them.
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Post by 2112 on Aug 18, 2017 20:42:34 GMT -5
Yeesh. Aren't we reaching rather far away the from the shores of the Sandusky Bay with Seneca Co. and Richland Co. schools? It's the "SBC Expansion, Part II: The Quest for More Money." Seneca County is part of the new-look SBC's primary territory now... Columbian, Calvert, Old Fort, New Riegel, Lakota (parts), Bellevue (parts), Clyde (parts), and so on. I'm expecting Seneca East to come aboard soon, and I wouldn't be surprised to pick up Mohawk at some point as well. Fostoria would be a stretch, though. Agree that Richland County is a stretch... just doesn't feel right. Tell exactly why this is about money...
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Post by greenman on Aug 18, 2017 23:08:52 GMT -5
Yeesh. Aren't we reaching rather far away the from the shores of the Sandusky Bay with Seneca Co. and Richland Co. schools? It's the "SBC Expansion, Part II: The Quest for More Money." Seneca County is part of the new-look SBC's primary territory now... Columbian, Calvert, Old Fort, New Riegel, Lakota (parts), Bellevue (parts), Clyde (parts), and so on. I'm expecting Seneca East to come aboard soon, and I wouldn't be surprised to pick up Mohawk at some point as well. Fostoria would be a stretch, though. Agree that Richland County is a stretch... just doesn't feel right. Tell exactly why this is about money... Maybe I'm overthinking it, but why is there a need for a 20-or-so-school, three-tier conference here that stretches from the middle of Ottawa County to Richland County to the west side of Lorain County? Why not 3 separate, autonomous conferences? If some schools in one of those conferences (or divisions) have varsity athletics not shared by their fellows, they can be affiliate members for those sports only in other closeby conferences.
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Post by 1percenter on Aug 19, 2017 8:01:11 GMT -5
Yeesh. Aren't we reaching rather far away the from the shores of the Sandusky Bay with Seneca Co. and Richland Co. schools? It's the "SBC Expansion, Part II: The Quest for More Money." Actually they fit rather nicely to the founders of this expansion. I made this a few weeks back School Districts in color are SBC members, School Districts in gray/white are not members. As you can see Hopewell-Loudon fits right in. Shelby way down there in red is heading out. Seneca East looks like a prime pickup.
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Post by 1percenter on Aug 19, 2017 8:09:53 GMT -5
Here's the SBC with Shelby gone and Hopewell-Loudon added. Fremont Ross looks like a really good addition to the Lake Division, grow some balls Lake schools * I should add that in that big "Fremont Ross Denied Entry" block is where Fremont St Joe resides and they are in the River Division. Attachments:
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Post by 1percenter on Aug 19, 2017 8:44:40 GMT -5
So what are we looking at in 2019? Lake (6) Sandusky Perkins Norwalk Clyde Tiffin Columbian Bellevue
Bay (6) Edison Huron Oak Harbor Port Clinton Vermilion Willard
River (8) Margaretta Tiffin Calvert Lakota Sandusky St. Mary’s Fremont St. Joseph Hopwell-Loudon Gibsonburg Danbury
I think I see the next school that will be looking to depart if this is the make up in 2019. Long drives that result in 77-0 beat downs is a recipe for departure. I'm pretty sure that's how they originally got themselves placed in the River Division. But where will will they go? Will the N-10 have an opening? Weren't they the reason the NOL broke up because they didn't want to take the beatings in football anymore?
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Aug 19, 2017 9:12:16 GMT -5
* I should add that in that big "Fremont Ross Denied Entry" block is where Fremont St Joe resides and they are in the River Division. Plus SMCC inside the Sandusky block and Calvert inside the Tiffin block. On that note, can you make a version of this map that's color coded to show which schools are in each division, with dots to show the 3 Catholic schools?
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Post by redskinfan04 on Aug 19, 2017 10:38:28 GMT -5
Shelby should have been forced to stay until the 19-20 school year. They also should be made to pay the schools who stand to lose money due to their turning coat. Lost gate revenue, concessions, parking, etc, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 10:48:28 GMT -5
Shelby should have been forced to stay until the 19-20 school year. They also should be made to pay the schools who stand to lose money due to their turning coat. Lost gate revenue, concessions, parking, etc, etc. How are schools losing money by Shelby leaving? If anything the Bay division schools just got a lot closer. There is no way any administrator thought Shelby was all in staying in SBC long term
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Post by 1percenter on Aug 19, 2017 11:00:03 GMT -5
For 2019-2020 Attachments:
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Post by redskinfan04 on Aug 19, 2017 16:26:14 GMT -5
Shelby should have been forced to stay until the 19-20 school year. They also should be made to pay the schools who stand to lose money due to their turning coat. Lost gate revenue, concessions, parking, etc, etc. How are schools losing money by Shelby leaving? If anything the Bay division schools just got a lot closer. There is no way any administrator thought Shelby was all in staying in SBC long term if the school who was supposed to host Shelby cannot find a team that will play them at home. That school is out thousands of dollars of lost revenue for the athletic department.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 16:47:17 GMT -5
They can still schedule Shelby. It just wouldn't be a league game. Shelby as of now will not be in the MOAC for football next year
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Post by footballfan on Aug 19, 2017 17:30:58 GMT -5
I would like to think our AD would of signed a two year deal with Shelby sense we are going to there place two years straight. Last year and this year. The only way they would play us is if we came to Shelby this year is what I'm being told. That way it would keep Shelby at five home and away. Bellevue is four home and six away. Besides Clyde away the next closest game away we have is Shelby. No cross over games other then Shelby. I still find it funny that there are four other teams the same size as us in this SBC and none of them will play us. The league is not about saving schools money in travel! I still don't get it. We should of just went independent this year. I'm sure the teams in the Lake would of still played us sense were the smallest team in the lake. LOL PC being one of those teams and they played us pretty much even last night. Good luck to all SBC teams and represent this season. It should be fun to watch.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 19, 2017 21:52:25 GMT -5
So what are we looking at in 2019? Lake (6) Sandusky Perkins Norwalk Clyde Tiffin Columbian Bellevue Bay (6) Edison Huron Oak Harbor Port Clinton Vermilion Willard River (8) Margaretta Tiffin Calvert Lakota Sandusky St. Mary’s Fremont St. Joseph Hopwell-Loudon Gibsonburg Danbury I think I see the next school that will be looking to depart if this is the make up in 2019. Long drives that result in 77-0 beat downs is a recipe for departure. I'm pretty sure that's how they originally got themselves placed in the River Division. But where will will they go? Will the N-10 have an opening? Weren't they the reason the NOL broke up because they didn't want to take the beatings in football anymore? I've been trying to tell everyone for the past year "that school" was not going to be happy. This IS NOT the SBC "that school" joined. If the SBC only wants to add itsty bitsy schools. OR outside of Fremont, if only itsy bitsy schools want to join the SBC, it's problematic. The more itsy bitsy schools that join the SBC means 1 or 2 itsy bitsy schools must play vermillion, PC, OH, Huron and Edison. They won't put up with that for long. There will be more "that schools".
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Post by gridiron58 on Aug 19, 2017 22:30:27 GMT -5
I still find it funny that there are four other teams the same size as us in this SBC and none of them will play us. The league is not about saving schools money in travel! I still don't get it. We should of just went independent this year. Do we really need to go into this again? Does anyone know if the Bay schools "Bellevue's size" had multi-year contracts with non-conference opponents that were signed before Bellevue and the other NOL schools joined the SBC? Independent would have been a great idea! You complain about not being able to schedule a VOLUNTARY cross over game.... good luck scheduling 10 non-conference games!
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Post by greenman on Aug 19, 2017 22:44:14 GMT -5
I still find it funny that there are four other teams the same size as us in this SBC and none of them will play us. The league is not about saving schools money in travel! I still don't get it. We should of just went independent this year. Do we really need to go into this again? Does anyone know if the Bay schools "Bellevue's size" had multi-year contracts with non-conference opponents that were signed before Bellevue and the other NOL schools joined the SBC? Independent would have been a great idea! You complain about not being able to schedule a VOLUNTARY cross over game.... good luck scheduling 10 non-conference games! I'm not up to speed on the enrollment nos. across the divisions. What Bay school(s) is/are Bellevue's size?
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Post by xbellevueplayer on Aug 19, 2017 23:07:09 GMT -5
Do we really need to go into this again? Does anyone know if the Bay schools "Bellevue's size" had multi-year contracts with non-conference opponents that were signed before Bellevue and the other NOL schools joined the SBC? Independent would have been a great idea! You complain about not being able to schedule a VOLUNTARY cross over game.... good luck scheduling 10 non-conference games! I'm not up to speed on the enrollment nos. across the divisions. What Bay school(s) is/are Bellevue's size? Bellevue - 267 DIV Shelby - 254 DIV Port Clinton - 253 DIV Vermilion - 234 - DIV Edison - 208 DV Huron - 207 DV Bellevue "scrimmages" PC and OH but I'm pretty sure a crossover season game has been discussed but turned down. I'm really hoping that Shelby stays on our schedule even if not in league play. we have such a long history with them it's sad seeing that disappear as well as that with Willard even though things over there have fallen apart for the flashes. Vermilion is another one that I feel should be able to cross over comparing sizes of the school and Huron has been playing us but to my understanding dropped the Redmen this year. We will see if they play again in the near future or not. I'm a traditionalist and never was a big fan of this mega conference. normally when it sounds too good to be true it usually is but we have to give it a few years to see how things turn out.
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Post by deathfromabove on Aug 19, 2017 23:34:48 GMT -5
I would say Firelands would be good as a Bay Division School. They are not to far from Rt.6/2 and this way everybody from Oak Harbor, Port Clinton can get to Firelands and Edison, Vermilion are neighbors and Huron is not to far from them.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Aug 20, 2017 8:02:27 GMT -5
We should of just went independent this year. I'm sure the teams in the Lake would of still played us sense were the smallest team in the lake. Good lord I hope you weren't being serious when you typed that, as it's one of the stupidest things I've seen on here. "Hey! Let's play the exact same freaking teams that are on the schedule now, with the only change being that we would no longer be eligible to win the division championship even if we beat all of them! Brilliant!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 8:38:25 GMT -5
We should of just went independent this year. I'm sure the teams in the Lake would of still played us sense were the smallest team in the lake. Good lord I hope you weren't being serious when you typed that, as it's one of the stupidest things I've seen on here. "Hey! Let's play the exact same freaking teams that are on the schedule now, with the only change being that we would no longer be eligible to win the division championship even if we beat all of them! Brilliant!" Toss in no conference recognition for the athletes. Ironically this may be what happens to Shelby for football next season
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Post by footballfan on Aug 20, 2017 10:25:01 GMT -5
I still find it funny that there are four other teams the same size as us in this SBC and none of them will play us. The league is not about saving schools money in travel! I still don't get it. We should of just went independent this year. Do we really need to go into this again? Does anyone know if the Bay schools "Bellevue's size" had multi-year contracts with non-conference opponents that were signed before Bellevue and the other NOL schools joined the SBC? Independent would have been a great idea! You complain about not being able to schedule a VOLUNTARY cross over game.... good luck scheduling 10 non-conference games! Independent was sarcasm!! No school in there right mind would do that. Hard enough finding five non-league game in a great SBC league of six teams. It sure would be nice to add two more to the Lake sense we don't have cross over games. Fremont would be a good fit but I'm thinking most of the teams in the Lake would be afraid to play them.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Aug 20, 2017 11:38:25 GMT -5
On the topic of Bellevue scheduling 5 non conference games, do you know how many of the 5 this year were 2 year contracts? Can we expect next year's schedule to be the same as this year just with 6 home and 4 away, or no?
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