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Post by gridiron58 on Sept 23, 2017 13:46:19 GMT -5
So you wanted to date the girl that you knew was interested in somebody else. You just didn't believe that they would ever be interested in her. So you figured you could just treat her however you wanted. Throw them in the division, away from their longtime rivals and with significantly more travel. Then it turns out that the other guy was interested in her after all. You can't be mad that she left you that's on you. Are you saying that Shelby didn't know what division they would be in before they accepted the invite? If so, that is on them. By the way... which long time rivals are they not playing this year? Tiffin? I'd say they did Shelby a favor.
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Post by gridiron58 on Sept 23, 2017 13:52:02 GMT -5
Shelby: Oh, that is so unfair! Unfair? Who cares? Except maybe you. Shelby made the correct move leaving that train wreck SBC and the constant state of instability with that goofy division setup. It would be helpful if you actually read the post. It is Shelby that is saying it is unfair that they will not be playing SBC League games next year. LOL... "constant state of instability". You mean the the kind of instability caused by a team joing and then leaving the leage a year later? Wow..... just wow!
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Post by A no.1 on Sept 23, 2017 14:27:45 GMT -5
Unfair? Who cares? Except maybe you. Shelby made the correct move leaving that train wreck SBC and the constant state of instability with that goofy division setup. It would be helpful if you actually read the post. It is Shelby that is saying it is unfair that they will not be playing SBC League games next year. LOL... "constant state of instability". You mean the the kind of instability caused by a team joing and then leaving the leage a year later? Wow..... just wow! I read it. The Shelby folk aren't crying it's unfair. I'm pretty certain the Shelby folk knew that leaving the SBC for the MOAC, they factored in that not getting all league (or is it all division? Good grief) recognition might happen. If it does, oh well. Those are the breaks. The Shelby folks will deal with it. You can keep defending the SBC is stable all you want. The truth is it's not and will never be with the current setup. From the get go, schools demanded that they be in this division or that division and now you have schools complaining about cross-over games. So yeah, I stand by my constant state of instability comment. Quite frankly, I don't know why Shelby leaving the SBC leaves some people so butt hurt over it. Shelby is an AWFUL fit geographically and when the current SBC was setup, most knew that Shelby would leave once there was an opening in the MOAC. Before Shelby was ASKED to join the SBC, they were in talks with all the current MOAC schools (except North Union & Buckeye Valley) in an attempt to form a completely new league. They tried to get Upper Sandusky and Willard to join but they both declined and Shelby ended up going with plan C (the OCC was plan B) and joined the SBC.
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Post by gridiron58 on Sept 23, 2017 15:40:20 GMT -5
It would be helpful if you actually read the post. It is Shelby that is saying it is unfair that they will not be playing SBC League games next year. LOL... "constant state of instability". You mean the the kind of instability caused by a team joing and then leaving the leage a year later? Wow..... just wow! I read it. The Shelby folk aren't crying it's unfair. I'm pretty certain the Shelby folk knew that leaving the SBC for the MOAC, they factored in that not getting all league (or is it all division? Good grief) recognition might happen. If it does, oh well. Those are the breaks. The Shelby folks will deal with it. You can keep defending the SBC is stable all you want. The truth is it's not and will never be with the current setup. From the get go, schools demanded that they be in this division or that division and now you have schools complaining about cross-over games. So yeah, I stand by my constant state of instability comment. Quite frankly, I don't know why Shelby leaving the SBC leaves some people so butt hurt over it. Shelby is an AWFUL fit geographically and when the current SBC was setup, most knew that Shelby would leave once there was an opening in the MOAC. Before Shelby was ASKED to join the SBC, they were in talks with all the current MOAC schools (except North Union & Buckeye Valley) in an attempt to form a completely new league. They tried to get Upper Sandusky and Willard to join but they both declined and Shelby ended up going with plan C (the OCC was plan B) and joined the SBC. Shelby folk ARE crying about it, my original reply was a direct response to one such "Shelby folk". You can defend your "unstable" comment all you want. It's not. Unstable is a league when one school randomly decides to leave... the league has to disband. Will Shelby leaving disband the SBC, no. You know why? Because the division set-up alows for flexibility with things like that. Just because you can't seem to wrap your mind around the idea of several Divisions in one league (it's really not that difficult to understand), doesn't make it unstable. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Shelby was ASKED to join the SBC? Who cares? The point is they ACCEPTED the invitation.... then immediately bailed before playing a game. Zero integrity.
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Post by A no.1 on Sept 23, 2017 16:05:20 GMT -5
Shelby folk ARE crying about it, my original reply was a direct response to one such "Shelby folk". You can defend your "unstable" comment all you want. It's not. Unstable is a league when one school randomly decides to leave... the league has to disband. Will Shelby leaving disband the SBC, no. You know why? Because the division set-up alows for flexibility with things like that. Just because you can't seem to wrap your mind around the idea of several Divisions in one league (it's really not that difficult to understand), doesn't make it unstable. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Shelby was ASKED to join the SBC? Who cares? The point is they ACCEPTED the invitation.... then immediately bailed before playing a game. Zero integrity. Show me proof where Shelby folk are crying about it. Yes the SBC is unstable. It started when Margaretta and SMCC initially bolted. No, Shelby will leaving will not cause the SBC to disband but it's going to force a school or two to play in a division they don't want to and the griping continues. Schools are going to be looking for something better. You're right in that the division setup is not difficult to understand. I get it completely. No matter how hard the SBC tries, it will be nearly impossible to keep all schools happy with that current division setup. It will constantly be in a state of flux. So you're not sure why I keep bringing up Shelby being asked to join the SBC. It's the same reason you can't wrap your brain around the 100% legit reasons why Shelby is leaving the SBC. It was made perfectly clear in my previous post. Zero integrity or not, the Shelby folk are moving on.
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Post by gridiron58 on Sept 23, 2017 16:38:23 GMT -5
Shelby folk ARE crying about it, my original reply was a direct response to one such "Shelby folk". You can defend your "unstable" comment all you want. It's not. Unstable is a league when one school randomly decides to leave... the league has to disband. Will Shelby leaving disband the SBC, no. You know why? Because the division set-up alows for flexibility with things like that. Just because you can't seem to wrap your mind around the idea of several Divisions in one league (it's really not that difficult to understand), doesn't make it unstable. I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Shelby was ASKED to join the SBC? Who cares? The point is they ACCEPTED the invitation.... then immediately bailed before playing a game. Zero integrity. Show me proof where Shelby folk are crying about it. Yes the SBC is unstable. It started when Margaretta and SMCC initially bolted. No, Shelby will leaving will not cause the SBC to disband but it's going to force a school or two to play in a division they don't want to and the griping continues. Schools are going to be looking for something better. You're right in that the division setup is not difficult to understand. I get it completely. No matter how hard the SBC tries, it will be nearly impossible to keep all schools happy with that current division setup. It will constantly be in a state of flux. So you're not sure why I keep bringing up Shelby being asked to join the SBC. It's the same reason you can't wrap your brain around the 100% legit reasons why Shelby is leaving the SBC. It was made perfectly clear in my previous post. Zero integrity or not, the Shelby folk are moving on. Here is your proof (If you would have read the previous page of this thread you would have seen this yourself, and as I said before, I was originally replying to this). "Sep 15, 2017 at 6:12pm sweathog said: Well I hear Shelby will be independent next year for football! The SBC schools will play them but not as league games. They are being butt heads on this, they are mad because Shelby is leaving. All you are doing is penalizing the kids from getting league recognition ! " It sure sounds like a Shelby fan crying about it. Good Enough for you? And now to try to make your point about SBC being unstable by bringing up "Margaretta and SMCC bolting" when it was a single Division, as if the stability of a single division league has anything to do with the three division set-up it is now? All you did was make a better case for the stability of a multi-division league. I never said that Shelby did not have legit reasons for leaving. I am saying that if they had no intention of staying, they should have never agreed to join in the first place. Your last statement says it all "Zero integrity or not, the Shelby folk are moving on". I think I saw that on a sign the last time I drove through Shelby. Good riddance!
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Post by A no.1 on Sept 23, 2017 17:34:29 GMT -5
Here is your proof (If you would have read the previous page of this thread you would have seen this yourself, and as I said before, I was originally replying to this). "Sep 15, 2017 at 6:12pm sweathog said: Well I hear Shelby will be independent next year for football! The SBC schools will play them but not as league games. They are being butt heads on this, they are mad because Shelby is leaving. All you are doing is penalizing the kids from getting league recognition ! " It sure sounds like a Shelby fan crying about it. Good Enough for you? And now to try to make your point about SBC being unstable by bringing up "Margaretta and SMCC bolting" when it was a single Division, as if the stability of a single division league has anything to do with the three division set-up it is now? All you did was make a better case for the stability of a multi-division league. I never said that Shelby did not have legit reasons for leaving. I am saying that if they had no intention of staying, they should have never agreed to join in the first place. Your last statement says it all "Zero integrity or not, the Shelby folk are moving on". I think I saw that on a sign the last time I drove through Shelby. Good riddance! Are you quoting yourself? Sorry that’s not good enough. The “single division” SBC absolutely has something to do with the current three division setup the SBC has today. Surely you don't think the SBC was going to stay at six schools when the Margaretta and SMCC bolted? Look, Shelby had no idea that an opening in the MOAC was going to happen as soon as it did. It could’ve been ten years or more. Do do you think Shelby should have remained independent instead of joining the SBC. If you think so then you’re just being bitter. As been said before, the SBC knew Shelby would eventually leave. That is a fact. No one however, thought it would be this soon. You say “good riddance” and “don’t let the door hit you” yet you keep complaining about Shelby leaving. Which is it? So you think Shelby has zero integrity. Other than you, who cares? Bottom line, Shelby is leaving and the Shelby folks won’t miss those drives to Lake Erie. It’s over. Done deal. Let it go. All the complaining in the world will not change that fact. Time to move on.
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Post by gridiron58 on Sept 23, 2017 18:16:03 GMT -5
I am not quoting myself. I posted the quote, who wrote it and when. It's on the previous page of this thred. Its not good enough for you because you can't admit you are wrong.
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Post by A no.1 on Sept 23, 2017 21:35:48 GMT -5
I am not quoting myself. I posted the quote, who wrote it and when. It's on the previous page of this thred. Its not good enough for you because you can't admit you are wrong. Sure I can. In this case though, I'm not.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 23, 2017 22:40:34 GMT -5
So you wanted to date the girl that you knew was interested in somebody else. You just didn't believe that they would ever be interested in her. So you figured you could just treat her however you wanted. Throw them in the division, away from their longtime rivals and with significantly more travel. Then it turns out that the other guy was interested in her after all. You can't be mad that she left you that's on you. Are you saying that Shelby didn't know what division they would be in before they accepted the invite? If so, that is on them. By the way... which long time rivals are they not playing this year? Tiffin? I'd say they did Shelby a favor. Are you saying that every school knew who all the other schools would be in their division before they accepted the invite?? Balderdash.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 23, 2017 22:42:02 GMT -5
LOL @ some SBC schools complaining about Shelby leaving. Like those schools were really looking forward to making that drive to Richland County. GTF out of here! Enjoy your mega conference and the non stop complaining SBC schools will make about divisions and cross-over games. The big issue I think people have is with a school commiting to join a league and then announcing they are leaving before they ever even played one game. Shelby did it with the SBC, Calvert did it with the SRL. There is just no integrity. It's the attitude of "this is what we are doing, the hell with whoever we screw over". Like a school in the SBC did to another league, except they did it 2 months after they joined.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 26, 2017 12:56:13 GMT -5
I am not quoting myself. I posted the quote, who wrote it and when. It's on the previous page of this thred. Its not good enough for you because you can't admit you are wrong. Sure I can. In this case though, I'm not. The post in question was made by sweathog in the Bellevue @ Shelby thread , and I quoted it it onto this thread. That's likely what caused gridiron's attempt at quoting it to get messed up, leading to this confusion between you two.
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