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Post by maplecityjake on May 15, 2017 10:27:57 GMT -5
Taking in Socioeconomics/Demographics, my point is Fremont doesn't get many of its Football players outside the city. Are you suggesting that as a public school Fremont has a bunch of kids that add nothing to the school except inflating enrollment numbers? Not at all. I'm suggesting they are in other activities other than football.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:43:51 GMT -5
1. No sbc! As far ss GATE goes be fun too see, but trac is it. Independent is out of question better off in trac.One must remember 2014 Ross was 7-3 losses to 3 playoff teams 2 highly ranked, elyria, central, Lima sr, finished 2 nd in trac. Lossed to nordonua in first round, nordonia state runner up div.2 .Ross set records by qb slick and probably best team since 2006.Sent 7 kids to div.2.At least in trac, we know where we stand every year! 50 kids or not we had around 55-60 20142.wrestling Ross won trac defeating longtime power Oregon clay and I believe Ross was ranked in state.Oak harbor , Clyde are longtime powerhouses in sbc and for coach long to have Ross wrestling win trac in his 3 rd year or 4 th can't remember but awesome as a program builder. 3. Swimming sold program as always.Our basketball programs boys and girls.m, other sports so so. Things may have changed, but I believe Ross rarely dresses freshmen, whereas most of the participating schools in the SBC include freshmen among their varsity. Big difference. [br Sportsjock We don't dress freshman but in extreme circumstances unless you ARE very good.Last year coach long started dontrez brown as a freshman DT / T started both ways. Brown us 6-2 240 maybe as s freshman has s motor.To play trac competition and start says something. Our oldest son played with a Greg brown who went to Michigan but Greg started as a freshman. Wr Jeffrey barnet class of 2015 started as a freshman under kidwell.Barnett runs track at trine u.We get 25-30 freshman average.By time there sr's we get 20 sr's average most years. Hope helps.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:54:44 GMT -5
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No lineman as a freshman especially DT / OTstarted for Ross let alone trac.For coach long to do that says a lot.We have had special skill kids play but not line.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 14:55:46 GMT -5
Maple city
How is norwalk looking?
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Post by sportsjock on May 15, 2017 16:11:58 GMT -5
Sportsjock No lineman as a freshman especially DT / OTstarted for Ross let alone trac.For coach long to do that says a lot.We have had special skill kids play but not line. So, what your saying is, a 55 man roster at a D-I school vs. a 55 man roster at a D-III or lower school is a bit deceptive. One has few, if any freshmen, the other has all or most of the freshman class. Also, what you seldom see in the lower divisions is little degree of specialization, with a kid playing only one side of the ball his entire high school career. I can remember a time when Oregon Clay and Whitmer dressed 100 kids for home games and no freshmen.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 20:31:55 GMT -5
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Fremont Ross is div.2 not Div.1 !we dress 55-60 kids and we PLAY Toledo whitmer div.1 they dress 100 varsity NO freshman, we play findlay who is div.1 they get around 90 varsity, we play Springfield div.2. 100 kids we play southview who is div.2 and gets 80-90 than st.Johns div.2 gets 100 kids, st francis div 2 gets 75 varsity and central and clay get 70-100 varsity. That's this years schedule and normal roster. So as a trac school fremont ross smaller roster size has helped I think as far as cohesiveness. We play UP in competition and size and caliber. At least we know where we stand. a lot of schools can't say that. I forgot lima sr.Herzegovina, they get 80-100 kids varsity div.2
I agree with you on smaller division schools. Good luck
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Post by maplecityjake on May 17, 2017 10:08:07 GMT -5
Maple city How is norwalk looking? Norwalk will return some talented skilled people, but other than that, I don't know. Norwalk will play Willard, Edison, Port Clinton, Margaretta. and Shelby before playing their Lake Division opponents. I see 5-5, perhaps 6-4. St. Paul? No worse than 9-1.
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Post by artyflowers on May 17, 2017 10:25:54 GMT -5
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Post by Keith on May 17, 2017 16:21:18 GMT -5
How times have changed. In 1975 when I graduated from Ross(yes, I'm old as dirt), we had 505 in our class.
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Post by sbcchamp1 on May 17, 2017 18:24:46 GMT -5
I graduated in 1976 from st joe and we had 102
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 20:02:05 GMT -5
How times have changed. In 1975 when I graduated from Ross(yes, I'm old as dirt), we had 505 in our class. Our oldest graduated around 300 in 2011 from Ross, our youngest I think 290 maybe. 2015.We gotta remember a lot if students failed out or arrested. Both our son's classes had them.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 20:05:05 GMT -5
Maple city How is norwalk looking? Norwalk will return some talented skilled people, but other than that, I don't know. Norwalk will play Willard, Edison, Port Clinton, Margaretta. and Shelby before playing their Lake Division opponents. I see 5-5, perhaps 6-4. St. Paul? No worse than 9-1. Good luck over there, st Paul 15-0
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Post by maplecityjake on May 18, 2017 11:17:50 GMT -5
I would like 15-0, but schools to the west, notably from the MAC, tend to trip up St. Paul. Hardin-Northern, Marion Local, and especially Delphos St. John.
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Post by ScottT on May 18, 2017 13:48:38 GMT -5
I would like 15-0, but schools to the west, notably from the MAC, tend to trip up St. Paul. Hardin-Northern, Marion Local, and especially Delphos St. John. Hardin-Northern has done basically nothing since winning the title in 2004 (they even dropped football for a year). Delphos St. John has fallen on hard times, and Marion Local is in Division VI.
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Post by maplecityjake on May 18, 2017 14:35:17 GMT -5
I did hear about H-N and M-L, but confess didn't realize DSJ has fallen. The MAC is so tough I guess someone will have to be down, once-in-awhile. I believe the schools from that conference, DSJ, Versailles, St. Henry, Coldwater, and M-L have at least 5 state titles to their credit. Without looking, Minster has at least 2.
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Post by maplecityjake on May 18, 2017 14:36:26 GMT -5
To the Fremont guys, there were about 375 from my class of 90, and 425 from my brother's class the following year.
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Post by sportsjock on May 18, 2017 15:54:51 GMT -5
Toledo Whitmer (Washington Local Schools) has two middle schools feeding into the high school. For many years, Whitmer was the largest high school in Ohio, graduating upwards of a 1,000 students each year. Like most schools, the graduating classes are down. Whitmer has slipped down to the 13th largest high school and still the largest in N/W Ohio. Findlay is the 2nd largest school in N/W Ohio and 21st largest in Ohio at 1,907 H.S. students. I always liked how the Whitmer campus was laid out much like a college campus, with separate buildings for the different courses of study....the science building etc.
The largest high school in Ohio is William Mason with 3,476 students, followed by Centerville with 2,750.
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Post by deathfromabove on May 18, 2017 18:28:59 GMT -5
Hi Everybody, I'M BACK. I couldn't get any of you guys or anything else for that matter. My computer was struck with a damn virus and I had no computer to use until my son graduate from Muskingum and bring him home with his computer. Anyway, I personally don't see St.Paul's going 9-1 or 15-0 as fremont89 and maplecityjake think they will. I think they will go 8-2 maybe 7-3 for the season and it depends on who they will play in the N/E District playoffs. St.Paul's has lost some very key players though graduation and Monroeville only lost a few. I also think that Ashland Crestview and maybe Western Reserve have also moved up a notch or two. Again this only my opinion. Scott T, I have a favor to ask you. If you could PM me I'll be very grateful. You should remember me, I was always the loudest person at the games when both my sons played for either St.Paul's or for Norwalk Sr. Matter-of-fact you should of heard me when Christopher name was called and he walked up that stage to get his diploma at Muskingum, I sounded like I was doing when I was a Sargent drilling my squad again.
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Post by wellingtontoyman on May 18, 2017 19:27:15 GMT -5
Wrong forumn but since someone mentioned St Paul I will give my 2cents. First of all they lose 5 seniors from last year. They have 15 juniors who played varsity and 2 sophomores. On defense they get back the #2 tackler Good and #3 tackler Nickoli and FC lineman of the year. They do lose two senior runningbacks, but I've followed SP football enough to know they have horses waiting to run. Ashland Crestview will give them the biggest challenge in the FC.(they return 22 juniors and have tons of speed). Monroeville lost 15 or so Seniors and don't have enough to contend this year. Once they make the playoffs it all depends on what region they end up in. Last year State Champs JFK lost 15 seniors and Magadore has now moved up to D6. However D6 state runner-up from last year drops down to D7 ( Cuyahoga Heights) and may end up in the same Region as JFK and St Paul. Just a little food for thought.......
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Post by maplecityjake on May 19, 2017 10:19:17 GMT -5
Tradition never graduates along with St. Paul is a mental hurdle to anyone in the FC. Until proven otherwise...........
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Post by gibby23 on May 22, 2017 6:56:22 GMT -5
wellington, very informative analysis on St.Paul. Tiffin Calvert would be another team that would have a good chance to beat St. Paul this year, along with Ashland Crestview. Calvert was young and talented last year and the game is at Tiffin this year.
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Post by smitty1974 on May 23, 2017 20:08:18 GMT -5
yes maple city jake,hardin northern was very good back in in the 80s when pete brunow 1975 edison grad and a year behind me was coaching hardin northern.but after pete retired,he was head of the teachers union at hn,things went south and hardin northern was shrinking football wise and left the blanchard valley conference and is in the nwcc with sidney lehman,lima perry,riverside,ridgemont.they are still struggling as of late.as of fc,st.paul will always reload and be contenders with john livengood as coach.i see crestview to contend.
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Post by footballfan on May 24, 2017 21:16:48 GMT -5
Sportsjock Fremont Ross is div.2 not Div.1 !we dress 55-60 kids and we PLAY Toledo whitmer div.1 they dress 100 varsity NO freshman, we play findlay who is div.1 they get around 90 varsity, we play Springfield div.2. 100 kids we play southview who is div.2 and gets 80-90 than st.Johns div.2 gets 100 kids, st francis div 2 gets 75 varsity and central and clay get 70-100 varsity. That's this years schedule and normal roster. So as a trac school fremont ross smaller roster size has helped I think as far as cohesiveness. We play UP in competition and size and caliber. At least we know where we stand. a lot of schools can't say that. I forgot lima sr.Herzegovina, they get 80-100 kids varsity div.2 I agree with you on smaller division schools. Good luck So Fremont plays two school that are bigger then them. I don't see that being a big deal. I feel playing a hand full of bigger teams make you better when you play schools the same size and prepares you for playoffs if your lucky enough to make it in.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 6:20:12 GMT -5
Ross would be a good fit for the SBC. Enrollment does not win league titles but locations can keep leagues together for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 5:00:21 GMT -5
Sportsjock Fremont Ross is div.2 not Div.1 !we dress 55-60 kids and we PLAY Toledo whitmer div.1 they dress 100 varsity NO freshman, we play findlay who is div.1 they get around 90 varsity, we play Springfield div.2. 100 kids we play southview who is div.2 and gets 80-90 than st.Johns div.2 gets 100 kids, st francis div 2 gets 75 varsity and central and clay get 70-100 varsity. That's this years schedule and normal roster. So as a trac school fremont ross smaller roster size has helped I think as far as cohesiveness. We play UP in competition and size and caliber. At least we know where we stand. a lot of schools can't say that. I forgot lima sr.Herzegovina, they get 80-100 kids varsity div.2 I agree with you on smaller division schools. Good luck So Fremont plays two school that are bigger then them. I don't see that being a big deal. I feel playing a hand full of bigger teams make you better when you play schools the same size and prepares you for playoffs if your lucky enough to make it in. Footballfan Give me bellevue schedule or borwalk schedule any day of week and twice on Friday .. From the jump week 1 there's NO letup in competition from Springfield to findlay...Yea wow 2:schools bigger but dwarf us in size and players. Both schools get over a 100 kids out football easy.YOU guys try that schedule with 55-50 kids try it.PLUS play btw central / st.Johns / findaly or st. Francis / or whitmer on back to back weeks and let's see how healthy a bellevue is, plus non league schedule playoff powers of southvuew / Springfield / sandusky forgot those guys, there pretty good to. Prepare for playoffs? If were healthy and make playoffs its by crossing your fingers. We made playoffs in 2014 finished 2 nd in trac .Playing a Michael Warren Mr.football to whitmers all star qb phenomenon Keller to st Johns OLB Dallas gant whos verballed to osu!! Not so easy huh....
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Post by xbellevueplayer on May 26, 2017 10:06:40 GMT -5
So Fremont plays two school that are bigger then them. I don't see that being a big deal. I feel playing a hand full of bigger teams make you better when you play schools the same size and prepares you for playoffs if your lucky enough to make it in. Footballfan Give me bellevue schedule or borwalk schedule any day of week and twice on Friday .. From the jump week 1 there's NO letup in competition from Springfield to findlay...Yea wow 2:schools bigger but dwarf us in size and players. Both schools get over a 100 kids out football easy.YOU guys try that schedule with 55-50 kids try it.PLUS play btw central / st.Johns / findaly or st. Francis / or whitmer on back to back weeks and let's see how healthy a bellevue is, plus non league schedule playoff powers of southvuew / Springfield / sandusky forgot those guys, there pretty good to. Prepare for playoffs? If were healthy and make playoffs its by crossing your fingers. We made playoffs in 2014 finished 2 nd in trac .Playing a Michael Warren Mr.football to whitmers all star qb phenomenon Keller to st Johns OLB Dallas gant whos verballed to osu!! Not so easy huh.... We've had this discussion many times bro but At the end of the day it's all based on enrollment not how many kids go out for the sport. That's the coaches job and community in showing support and funding to get the kids out.
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Post by 2112 on Jun 6, 2017 23:20:49 GMT -5
My prediction: by Fall 2019, Genoa & Woodmore will be added... Genoa will land in the Bay. Woodmore will land in the River, bumping Willard up into the Bay, making it 6-8-8 for football and making Willard pick on teams it's own size instead of getting to knock around small potatoes.
Please tell me why I'm wrong. But while doing so keep in-mind I was right about Vermilion, the collapses of the NOL & SRL, the expansion of the SBC, and Danbury & Gibby. Don't believe me? Feel free to look it up in the archives of the NOSF. ;-D
Next up: Seneca East to SBC? Shelby out? Ross in? I'll be watching my crystal ball...
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Post by wallacefan on Jun 22, 2017 20:04:22 GMT -5
My prediction: by Fall 2019, Genoa & Woodmore will be added... Genoa will land in the Bay. Woodmore will land in the River, bumping Willard up into the Bay, making it 6-8-8 for football and making Willard pick on teams it's own size instead of getting to knock around small potatoes. Please tell me why I'm wrong. But while doing so keep in-mind I was right about Vermilion, the collapses of the NOL & SRL, the expansion of the SBC, and Danbury & Gibby. Don't believe me? Feel free to look it up in the archives of the NOSF. ;-D Next up: Seneca East to SBC? Shelby out? Ross in? I'll be watching my crystal ball... I will tell you why you are wrong.... Genoa won't go. Like many people in the NBC and the area, they think this whole SBC thing is unstable. They are not interested. Shelby out? 100% correct. Seneca East to SBC? Haven't heard that, but bringing in the MAL/SRL schools helped that. But doesn't solve the SBC need for BIG schools, not small ones. Neither does Woodmore for that matter. The reality is that the only school that fits a need (BIG school) and is in the area and WANTS to come is Fremont Ross. And they won't get in. Unless Clyde and a few others change their resistance.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 22, 2017 22:20:47 GMT -5
My prediction: by Fall 2019, Genoa & Woodmore will be added... Genoa will land in the Bay. Woodmore will land in the River, bumping Willard up into the Bay, making it 6-8-8 for football and making Willard pick on teams it's own size instead of getting to knock around small potatoes. Please tell me why I'm wrong. But while doing so keep in-mind I was right about Vermilion, the collapses of the NOL & SRL, the expansion of the SBC, and Danbury & Gibby. Don't believe me? Feel free to look it up in the archives of the NOSF. ;-D Next up: Seneca East to SBC? Shelby out? Ross in? I'll be watching my crystal ball... I won't say you're wrong, but your scenario of putting Willard in the Bay will NEVER fly. Willard's main reason for joining the SBC was to get up to a .500 record in football by being promised they'd be in the River Division. Instead of 1-9 playing NOL sized schools. In the Bay Division, Willard will have a hard time climbing above 1-9 records.
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Post by kingmartinez on Jun 23, 2017 9:27:21 GMT -5
Willard knows they will be bumping to the Bay Division eventually and they are fine with it. They didn't want to go to the River Division initially but realize the benefits everyone else saw. The second school (Margaretta, Lakota or one not in the conference) may be the move that causes discontent.
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