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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 11:40:24 GMT -5
Plus being located in an isolated are of the state may factor but irrelevant to the SBC. I don't see it as "know-it-alls" as much as a do self-serving admins making decisions. The idea of the greater good, longevity and loyalty are less valued today. With that said, I would agree the chances of the current SBC lasting are low.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 4, 2017 13:19:53 GMT -5
I've asked this before and no one seems to know, which is troublesome. Who's setting league policy and administrating league rules? How did they get those positions? Are ALL SBC Divisions and ALL SBC schools equally represented? If I was in an 8 school Division and being told what WILL happen in that Division, without equal representation. I would want to be an 8 school LEAGUE, real fast. Making all of your own decisions for those 8 schools, instead living with decisions made for a wide range of 20 some schools and 3 completely different Divisions.
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Post by 2112 on Jul 4, 2017 19:43:14 GMT -5
Plus being located in an isolated are of the state may factor but irrelevant to the SBC. Being located in an isolated area of the state is absolutely relevant to the SBC. This is what has driven the agglomeration that is its current form... there simply are no other options. What would the NOL 6 have done if the SBC wouldn't have taken them in? It's not like there are 7 other Division III-IV conferences within the Sandusky-Norwalk megalopolis they could have dispersed to. It's exactly what's driven the SBC toward a conference model like that of the OVAC. But you & Willard make a good point (yes you heard it here first, I am actually agreeing with Willard this time around)... if there are a couple heads trying to call the shots for everybody, this thing will go down in flames faster than the Hindenburg.
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Post by clydesbcfan on Jul 5, 2017 7:53:34 GMT -5
I've asked this before and no one seems to know, which is troublesome. Who's setting league policy and administrating league rules? How did they get those positions? Are ALL SBC Divisions and ALL SBC schools equally represented? If I was in an 8 school Division and being told what WILL happen in that Division, without equal representation. I would want to be an 8 school LEAGUE, real fast. Making all of ou own decisions for those 8 schools, instead living with decisions made for a wide range of 20 some schools and 3 completely different Divisions. Every school is represented in the league byt their AD and Principal. The AD's meet monthly and have an executive council made up of principals. Every decision made is with everyone's input. Its not been an easy process but much different than what you believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 8:17:22 GMT -5
The number of schools in the NW of Ohio is greater than the SE. The area is not as isolated for schools in our area.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 8:32:25 GMT -5
I've asked this before and no one seems to know, which is troublesome. Who's setting league policy and administrating league rules? How did they get those positions? Are ALL SBC Divisions and ALL SBC schools equally represented? If I was in an 8 school Division and being told what WILL happen in that Division, without equal representation. I would want to be an 8 school LEAGUE, real fast. Making all of ou own decisions for those 8 schools, instead living with decisions made for a wide range of 20 some schools and 3 completely different Divisions. Every school is represented in the league byt their AD and Principal. The AD's meet monthly and have an executive council made up of principals. Every decision made is with everyone's input. Its not been an easy process but much different than what you believe. Thanks Clyde, it seems this question has been answered so many times that I'm surprised it still gets asked. Trying to make 20+ schools, principals, athletic directors and countless coaches and fans happy with each move must be very difficult. That's in part why these large leagues rarely work out. Finding 8-10 school principals that think alike is much more likely than 20-30.
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Post by xbellevueplayer on Jul 5, 2017 15:20:17 GMT -5
I could still see issues with this league. Bellevue was a big player moving to the SBC and was under the impression that teams local would crossover like Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton to name a few and not one of them will play the Redmen. When I talked briefly to our athletic director a couple months ago he acted or seemed discouraged with the scheduling for football and said it doesn't appear to get any better anytime soon
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 15:42:43 GMT -5
I could still see issues with this league. Bellevue was a big player moving to the SBC and was under the impression that teams local would crossover like Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton to name a few and not one of them will play the Redmen. When I talked briefly to our athletic director a couple months ago he acted or seemed discouraged with the scheduling for football and said it doesn't appear to get any better anytime soon And that is one school, one sport.
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Post by ScottT on Jul 5, 2017 20:13:13 GMT -5
Mark my words...The SBC in its present form will last five years, tops.
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Post by kingmartinez on Jul 5, 2017 21:23:52 GMT -5
Mark my words...The SBC in its present form will last five years, tops. Parts may move but overall it's more stable than it appears, especially with the Lake schools. I feel confident that group will be together long-term. What's your five year prediction, Scott?
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Post by 2112 on Jul 5, 2017 22:02:33 GMT -5
The number of schools in the NW of Ohio is greater than the SE. The area is not as isolated for schools in our area. True that Northwest Ohio is not as isolated. But the SBC is more-or-less in *North-Central* Ohio. The highest concentration of suitably sized schools in the Northwest is clustered around Toledo & BG: an hour or more away for many of the SBC schools. If joining up with the NW schools was feasible for the NC schools, they would have already done it and we wouldn't be talking about this. Some members of the OVAC are only 20-30 miles from population centers and their clusters of schools in Northeast Ohio. And yet they stick with the OVAC. Must be something working well down there in the OVAC...
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Post by 2112 on Jul 5, 2017 22:16:15 GMT -5
... and said it doesn't appear to get any better anytime soon And that is one school, one sport. Give it a couple years and as the OOC contracts with far-flung schools end I think you'll see more crossovers. If not, I'm not opposed to re-aligning into 2 divisions of 9 teams each. Then Bellevue would get Shelby, PC & Vermilion on their schedule. Would also ease OOC needs.
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Post by SportsNut on Jul 6, 2017 7:31:15 GMT -5
And that is one school, one sport. Give it a couple years and as the OOC contracts with far-flung schools end I think you'll see more crossovers. If not, I'm not opposed to re-aligning into 2 divisions of 9 teams each. Then Bellevue would get Shelby, PC & Vermilion on their schedule. Would also ease OOC needs. Shelby and Bellevue are playing crossover games now and my guess is Shelby and Bellevue will continue to play each other as long as administration at each school values the long tradition of playing each other...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 9:32:07 GMT -5
The number of schools in the NW of Ohio is greater than the SE. The area is not as isolated for schools in our area. True that Northwest Ohio is not as isolated. But the SBC is more-or-less in *North-Central* Ohio. The highest concentration of suitably sized schools in the Northwest is clustered around Toledo & BG: an hour or more away for many of the SBC schools. If joining up with the NW schools was feasible for the NC schools, they would have already done it and we wouldn't be talking about this. Some members of the OVAC are only 20-30 miles from population centers and their clusters of schools in Northeast Ohio. And yet they stick with the OVAC. Must be something working well down there in the OVAC... NW was a reference to the location of the athletic district they play in. Not school location. Many of the OVAC school have no one working in their district with any knowledge of another way so they cannot compare or have judgment from anything different. Stick to you OVAC thoughts and we will see in 4-5 years(if it takes that long) where the current schools in the SBC are at.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 9:35:41 GMT -5
And that is one school, one sport. Give it a couple years and as the OOC contracts with far-flung schools end I think you'll see more crossovers. If not, I'm not opposed to re-aligning into 2 divisions of 9 teams each. Then Bellevue would get Shelby, PC & Vermilion on their schedule. Would also ease OOC needs. So you already see schools dropping in the next couple years. Most on here agree with that. You really think Shelby will be around long enough for a realignment? Unless you mean as an OOC game.
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Post by 2112 on Jul 6, 2017 19:01:10 GMT -5
Give it a couple years and as the OOC contracts with far-flung schools end I think you'll see more crossovers. If not, I'm not opposed to re-aligning into 2 divisions of 9 teams each. Then Bellevue would get Shelby, PC & Vermilion on their schedule. Would also ease OOC needs. So you already see schools dropping in the next couple years. Most on here agree with that. You really think Shelby will be around long enough for a realignment? Unless you mean as an OOC game. Um, no... 3 divisions of 6 teams each is 18 teams every bit as much as 2 divisions of 9 teams each is 18 teams. Losing teams would result in less than 18 teams.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 19:52:04 GMT -5
There are 21 schools, true only 18 have football, but that (2div of 9) would go even more against what most of the schools joined this league for.
I betting this 21 team experiment will be the spark that ignites and reorganization of teams that will eventually end up as possibly 3 leagues
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 6, 2017 23:23:05 GMT -5
Yep. A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP is A LOT better than a division title.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 8:06:33 GMT -5
Because it is easier to keep 8-10 school admins happy versus keeping 20+ happy.
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 7, 2017 9:48:17 GMT -5
There are 21 schools, true only 18 have football, but that (2div of 9) would go even more against what most of the schools joined this league for. I betting this 21 team experiment will be the spark that ignites and reorganization of teams that will eventually end up as possibly 3 leagues I can see that happening as a matter of practicality. I guess my mind is still lingering with the breakup and demise of the Northern Ohio League. Never understood why they couldn't have made accomodations and changes to expand. What a shame to see, what I understand was the oldest high school conference in northwest Ohio and one of the oldest in Ohio. If the mega school experiment fails, it would be interesting to see what the reverberations would be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 10:40:40 GMT -5
There are 21 schools, true only 18 have football, but that (2div of 9) would go even more against what most of the schools joined this league for. I betting this 21 team experiment will be the spark that ignites and reorganization of teams that will eventually end up as possibly 3 leagues I can see that happening as a matter of practicality. I guess my mind is still lingering with the breakup and demise of the Northern Ohio League. Never understood why they couldn't have made accomodations and changes to expand. What a shame to see, what I understand was the oldest high school conference in northwest Ohio and one of the oldest in Ohio. If the mega school experiment fails, it would be interesting to see what the reverberations would be. I had heard over the years that this was even part of the problem when schools looked into the former NOL. Some of the old timers involved had the mentality the NOL was special due to age, while some outsiders saw it as not being pro-active with change and wanting to grow.
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Post by Observer on Jul 7, 2017 14:55:43 GMT -5
The Northern Ohio League was not the oldest conference in NW Ohio. The oldest conference was and still is the Northwest Ohio Athletic League.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 16:36:48 GMT -5
How about we actually get through one school year before we decide this mega conference won't work?
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Post by gridiron58 on Jul 8, 2017 20:16:41 GMT -5
I could still see issues with this league. Bellevue was a big player moving to the SBC and was under the impression that teams local would crossover like Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton to name a few and not one of them will play the Redmen. When I talked briefly to our athletic director a couple months ago he acted or seemed discouraged with the scheduling for football and said it doesn't appear to get any better anytime soon Well, if Bellevue stopped stacking their football program with athletes by not allowing other sports (soccer).... maybe other schools would be more open to cross-over games with them?
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Post by Skip Bayless on Jul 9, 2017 12:48:59 GMT -5
I could still see issues with this league. Bellevue was a big player moving to the SBC and was under the impression that teams local would crossover like Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton to name a few and not one of them will play the Redmen. When I talked briefly to our athletic director a couple months ago he acted or seemed discouraged with the scheduling for football and said it doesn't appear to get any better anytime soon What week is Bellevue having an issue with? The league has designed itself to play in weeks 5-10! If the league is going to do all these crossovers, then why did we divide it up to begin with? In talking with Perkins folks, I was under the impression they're staying locked in with Huron for years to come in all sports. Oak Harbor wants to keep it simple until they get their football rolling again. Port Clinton scrimmages Bellevue. Be patient. the window of opportunity will rise someday soon.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 9, 2017 15:40:01 GMT -5
The Northern Ohio League was not the oldest conference in NW Ohio. The oldest conference was and still is the Northwest Ohio Athletic League. Maybe the longevity record that the NOL held was known for: The Ohio League that went the longest period of time without any changes. Stayed the same from 1954 when Crestline left and Columbian joined, to 2002 when Bucyrus left and Fostoria joined. Forty-eight years without a change.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 9, 2017 15:50:05 GMT -5
I could still see issues with this league. Bellevue was a big player moving to the SBC and was under the impression that teams local would crossover like Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton to name a few and not one of them will play the Redmen. When I talked briefly to our athletic director a couple months ago he acted or seemed discouraged with the scheduling for football and said it doesn't appear to get any better anytime soon What week is Bellevue having an issue with? The league has designed itself to play in weeks 5-10! If the league is going to do all these crossovers, then why did we divide it up to begin with? In talking with Perkins folks, I was under the impression they're staying locked in with Huron for years to come in all sports. Oak Harbor wants to keep it simple until they get their football rolling again. Port Clinton scrimmages Bellevue. Be patient. the window of opportunity will rise someday soon. Huron has always said they weren't afraid to play anyone. But if everyone was honest, you know the reason OH, PC, Edison and Margaretta were strongly in favor of a 3 Division SEC. They would no longer HAVE to play Perkins and Clyde, add TC and Bellevue to that list from the NOL. There could be years when a game would work out, but not on an every year basis.
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 9, 2017 20:09:31 GMT -5
I could still see issues with this league. Bellevue was a big player moving to the SBC and was under the impression that teams local would crossover like Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton to name a few and not one of them will play the Redmen. When I talked briefly to our athletic director a couple months ago he acted or seemed discouraged with the scheduling for football and said it doesn't appear to get any better anytime soon Well, if Bellevue stopped stacking their football program with athletes by not allowing other sports (soccer).... maybe other schools would be more open to cross-over games with them? Uh, football has been an integral part of high school sports since the early 1900's, soccer is an imported sport and not been a part of the high school sports scene, till most recently. Your argument is against proven success, so you think Bellevue would be better served by diluting it's football program, to gain more crossover games?.....huh?
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Post by xbellevueplayer on Jul 9, 2017 23:10:00 GMT -5
Well, if Bellevue stopped stacking their football program with athletes by not allowing other sports (soccer).... maybe other schools would be more open to cross-over games with them? Uh, football has been an integral part of high school sports since the early 1900's, soccer is an imported sport and not been a part of the high school sports scene, till most recently. Your argument is against proven success, so you think Bellevue would be better served by diluting it's football program, to gain more crossover games?.....huh? Thank u!! I was trying to stay away from the ignorance myself.
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Post by DrugMart on Jul 10, 2017 7:33:49 GMT -5
If you want to play local teams then you need to field a team opponents think they can beat. Everyone wants to play a team they think they can beat. Willard wants to play local teams so they turned their football team into a sack of bones. The football team has no life and now super local Plymouth schedules Willard and beats the sack of bones known as the football team yearly. Plymouth wanted nothing to do with Willard a quarter of a century ago, but Willard played its cards right and can now schedule any local team it wants, including Plymouth. Bellevue is really good so they need to play Regionally if they want to play teams their size, or they need to pull up their big boy pants and play Fremont Ross, Lorain, Elyria, or other larger local schools. Bellevue is too good, they played their cards wrong to schedule locally.
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